Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Arab world/Archive 3

Milestone Announcements
I thought this WIkiProject might be interested. Ping me with any specific queries or leave them on the page linked to above. Thanks! - Jarry1250 (t, c) 21:40, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

"Fihrist" or "Fehrest" at al-Nadim?
, who seems to make a lot of "Persian, not Arab" edits, is insisting that al-Nadim's book be transliterated Persian-style as "Fehrest", rather than "Fihrist" which is used by 98% of books and sources in English, including the title of the standard English translation.

It doesn't help our readers if they're following up a reference from a book and they get put off because we're not using the standard spelling; and it seems to me this goes right against the instructions at WP:MOSAR to use a "primary transcription", when it exists.

Could anyone take a look? The article in question is Ibn al-Nadim. Thanks, Jheald (talk) 19:28, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Coordinators' working group
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Portal:Roads
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Lebanese Arabic
Lebanese Arabic is in need of attention. It lacks sources making it impossible to verify the information, and this article was tagged from April 2007 meaning it could go for deletion. Also the length and the material are just disappointing for what should be an interesting article. Please make this article a priority. thanks --Falastine fee Qalby (talk) 21:36, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Merger Proposal
It has been proposed that Israeli salad be merged into Arabic salad. The articles are about the basic same salad. The israeli salad article even admits that the salad is known as Arab salad in the Israeli state. Please visit the Israeli Salad talk page and discuss. AlHabibi1958 (talk) 01:53, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

The use of barley in cuisine
I have a quote that the grain barley is not much used in food except in the Middle east, yet I didn't see much mention in the cuisine articles. I figured I'd ask here, if anyone was familiar with the uses of barley in any western asian/middle eastern cuisine, adding it to the Barley section of the barley article would be highly appreciated. Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:17, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I know from personal experience, that my mother used it for a soup meal and in Palestine we ate moist boiled barley with sugar. I'm sure it's used elsewhere in the wider cuisine, but have no sources just yet. --Al Ameer son (talk) 03:22, 20 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Terrific, thanks for getting back to me - will keep my fingers crossed :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:49, 20 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi Casliber. Here are some sources and information that my be of use.
 * Barley is used in Arabic cuisine to make a condiment known as murri. (See here for more information on how it is made.)
 * Barley soup and milk soup (the first made of whole grains of barley, the second ground barley flour and bran), have a long history of use in the Arab world. (See here.) The author of this work also mentions that barley bread was regularly eaten in Medina at the time of Mohammed, due to the scarcity of wheat in that city. This source mentions barley soup in eaten during [[Ramadan]. Sawiq is a soup made dry wheat or barley mixed with water, butter, honey, oil, etc. It could be eaten dry too and was often eaten by Arabs on long journeys or during military campaigns.
 * Avicenna wrote of the healing effects of barley water, barley soup and barley broth drawing on the work of Ellbochasim.
 * Interestingly, the feudal system in Turkey employed the term Arpalik, or "barley-money", to refer to a second allowance made to officials to defray the costs of fodder for their horses.
 * I will try to add some of the this material to existing Arabic cuisine articles and maybe create articles of Murri and Sawiq that you could link to from the Barley article. Thanks for raising the question here.  T i a m u t talk 13:00, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I would be extremely grateful for you to sprinkle the above material in the barley article, as I must fix some other chores. The above material could go in several sections and really bolster the article. I will join in a bit later. :) Casliber (talk·contribs) 12:39, 21 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I have some real life stuff to attend to, but as soon as I have the chance, I'll do that. Thanks for your interest and help.  T i a m u t talk 13:05, 21 March 2009 (UTC)


 * As an update, I have added a few of the other bits mentioned above - turkish measurement and avicenna...Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:48, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * In Morocco (not sure about Algeria though) it is called dchich or dshisha... I am talking about a soup made of barley, hot milk and a honey teaspoon. --  FayssalF   - Wiki me up® 18:08, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Cool! Got a ref? We can add that as well..Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:41, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Never seen whole barley grains used in Yemeni cuisine but I believe that barley flour is a staple in Yemen (not sure though). BTW, that Moroccan soup sounds a lot like sherbat herish . Barley has a weird texture, try the soup with bulghur! --Falastine fee Qalby (talk) 01:07, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I found an unsourced ar.wiki article. The rest are in French and it seems that the only one who uses honey with it is my mother! This one is made with tomatoes instead. --  FayssalF   - Wiki me up® 02:18, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Moroccan barley soup pulled up a better English result --Falastine fee Qalby (talk) 02:56, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Good job finding that source! I'll try to find more Palestinian (or Levantine) usage of barley in the sources. --Al Ameer son (talk) 04:46, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Moors # Seensawsee's edits # The facts
Hi! You might be interested in the discussion at. Thank you. The Ogre (talk) 14:44, 26 April 2009 (UTC) The Ogre (talk) 14:44, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

WP:NOT#PLOT
Apologies for the notice, but this is being posted to every WikiProject to avoid accusations of systemic bias. Hiding T 13:25, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

a proposal
guys, how about making all arab countries wikiprojects under the Arab world wikiproject?? I think that would be better for the project and we can modify the tags to be under this wikiproject. Saud (talk) 15:50, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * What do you mean? Like make WikiProject Egypt, Morocco, Iraq, Palestine, etc. task-forces of WikiProject Arab World? --Al Ameer son (talk) 16:35, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * yup, kind of ;) Saud (talk) 16:37, 7 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I see no problem with your proposal, but I have to think about it a little before I could support it. We have make sure each individual project agrees to join through some sort of consensus, however, and this could get a little messy. --Al Ameer son (talk) 16:52, 7 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure it's a good idea, it's the same as if all projects for EU member/European countries were merged into a EU/Europe project. FunkMonk (talk) 17:50, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I also doubt that the members of the individual projects would agree to it. If this proposal fails, there are many other ways we could stimulate efforts to improve this project's efficiency. It's actually quite a shame—there are no articles on Arab countries that have good or featured status. We have to think of some way for us to collaborate on an important article within the project's scope and it doesn't have to be on a state. --Al Ameer son (talk) 22:15, 7 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I was actually thinking about proposing a collaboration on the top priority article Arab. It is not even C quality. I did some referencing work on the religion section, but was sidetracked. I will start working on it again soon and hopefully then I will post a collaboration proposal. -Falastine fee Qalby (talk) 22:36, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * That's an excellent idea. That article is in a terrible state. I did some work in the History section, but I too, was sidetracked. Of course this was ages ago. I doubt we will be able to make it a GA anytime soon, but we have to at least get it to B-class. It's the core article of the project. --Al Ameer son (talk) 04:04, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree too, the article about Arabs should of course be the number one priority of the Arab project. Next could be the Arabic language or culture articles. FunkMonk (talk) 11:00, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Tasks and New articles
I'm going to add considerably to the list of tasks we have to do and how about having a subpage on new articles? --Al Ameer son (talk) 03:41, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * That's a great idea, go ahead. --Saud (talk) 13:53, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I didn't notice sections for "Expansion", 'Verify", and "Cleanup". If there are none, how would we add this to the existing tasks template. I added a bunch of article requests and I encourage everyone else does the same. As for New articles, it already has a subpage, but all project members should have it on their watch list and list any new articles they or others have created. --Al Ameer son (talk) 23:24, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Arabic kin terms we don't have in English
I'm wondering if anyone can help with Arabic kin terms we don't have in English, that I can't look up in a dictionary.

What's the relationship between people whose children get married? That is, when you arrange with another family that your and their children will marry, what's the word for your relationship? and what do you call each other?

What's the relationship between men who marry sisters? (that is, there are two sisters, they get married, what's the relationship between their husbands?) Between women who marry brothers? And can men and women use the same words (say when there's a brother and sister, who get married, and their wife and husband address each other), or do the terms depend on the sex of the speaker as well as the sex of the addressee?

Finally, co-wives, women who marry the same husband / share a husband. Also, if two men marry the same woman (through divorce or death - but maybe that usually only happens when a man marries his dead brother's wife?)

Thanks, kwami (talk) 21:18, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Progress of resolution of naming issue for placenames in Israel and Palestine
In relation to remedy 13.1 of Requests for arbitration/West Bank - Judea and Samaria, I have requested an update on progress at:

Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Israel_Palestine_Collaboration/Placename_guidelines

for the proposed guidelines currently located at:

WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration/Placename guidelines. Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:51, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Update
Voting or commenting on each segment of the Proposed guidelines in relation to remedy 13.1 of the recently closed West Bank - Judea and Samaria arbitration case. Please comment here on preferred usage in the West Bank/Judea and Samaria area, to determine consensus by July 13th 2009.

The more comments/votes/consensus, the better. We really need to firm up consensus by community input into some of these areas to reduce the drain on admin and editor resources in policing naming disputes. Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:28, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Arab–Israeli conflict facts, figures, and statistics
See that this page gets deleted. Izzedine (talk) 01:05, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Assessment box issue
Is there a reason why the assessment box of this project doesn't display the quality class and project importance statistics i.e. B-class Mid-importance, Start-class High-importance, etc.? It doesn't even feature a link to view the articles that are currently under this project's scope. I remember that it used to a long time ago, but now it doesn't. Does anybody know how to fix this? --Al Ameer son (talk) 05:36, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

GA Class Review of the United Arab Emirates
Can someone please reassess the United Arab Emirates article. I believe it has geatly improved, and deserves a review. -- MoHasanie Talk  13:10, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I think you should hold on. I've edited the History section of the article and found numerous grammar mistakes and instances of POV. I will go over the entire article soon, but in general there seems to be a lot of promotional lines and the some of sources chosen are not specific enough. I strongly recommend you go on google books to find more on the UAE. Here are some books I looked up that could be read online and that could be used in the article: United Arab Emirates: A country study, United Arab Emirates, a new perspective, The United Arab Emirates: a venture in unity, and The United Arab Emirates: a modern history. --Al Ameer son (talk) 18:08, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Gamal Abdel Nasser
Marhaba everyone! WikiProject Egypt has selected Gamal Abdel Nasser as this week's collaboration project (See WikiProject Egypt/Collaboration). Since Nasser was also an important figure for the Arab world, many of you might be interested in helping out. Please join our efforts to get this article to Featured status. If anyone is interested, list your names under the participants section. --Al Ameer son (talk) 21:47, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Rename Syrian occupation of Lebanon to Syrian military presence in Lebanon
Please share your views here. (talk) 12:38, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

i completely agree with this, since it was not an occupation, as including Lebanon into "greater Syria", Lebanon maintained its sovereignty, and its independence, and was recognized as an independent country by Syria, and vice versa... Arab League User (talk) 05:56, 10 August 2009 (UTC)--

Proposed deletion of Wasfi al-Atassi article
The above article (about Wasfi Beik al-Atassi (1888 -1933) (Arabic: وصفي الأتاسي‎) who was a Syrian nationalist, statesman and one of the original writers of the Syrian constitution) has been nominated for deletion by myself.

I could find no non-wiki sources of information online, and no mentions of him in any article apart from the Atassi article, which has one sentence about him, and a sentence in the Hikmat al-Hiraki article.

If anyone here with knowledge of Syrian history has some off-line references which they could add, that would be very useful! The closing date for the PROD is 2009-08-22 21:39>

Thank you --  Phantom Steve  ( Contact Me,  My Contribs ) 15:23, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Can someone check out potential Arabic-language sources for Wasfi al-Atassi?
A Google web search for وصفي الأتاسي‎ returns 8250 hits. A Google news search returns 3 hits. A Google books search returns 4 hits.

Unfortuantely, I can't read Arabic (although if I get a chance, I will try using Google's translate service to check out the news and book hits) - so if an Arabic-reading editor could look at these, I'm sure that there will be some reliable sources amongest them!

Regards, --  Phantom Steve  ( Contact Me, My Contribs ) 11:28, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Incidently, I'm hoping to get a chance to go to my library to see if I can find mentions in books there about him, but as I'm in Croydon, not in Syria, I'm not holding out a lot of hope! --  Phantom Steve  ( Contact Me, My Contribs ) 09:35, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Completely mystified by page Turabah
Found this while working WP:UNCAT. Does anyone have any idea what/where this page is about? Cleanup, delete, stub? Here at: Turabah. MatthewVanitas (talk) 03:38, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Bashar Abdulah
This article needs some attention from someone familiar with Arabic. It needs some tidying up and references checking to confirm notability. Any help would be appreciated. noq (talk) 18:35, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Thawb, Jellabiya, Djellaba, Kaftan, etc.
There are currently articles for each of these types of clothes, but many, if not all, seem to be the same, some just with different transliterations! Shouldn't they be merged? FunkMonk (talk) 18:25, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

WP:WikiProject Entrepreneurship policies in the Arab world
We will be building this Arab Entrepreneurship WikiProject over the next several years, with an article on entrepreneurship policies in each of the 22 Arab countries. We also have started a List of Arab entrepreneurship initiatives that has already been widely used. (E.g., Google search for: and it comes up as #1.) We're new to WikiProjects and would really appreciate an experienced Editor helping us navigate Wikipedia policies. E.g., an editor not affiliated with the project just stripped away all the external URL links to all 150+ Arab entrepreneurship initiatives, to conform with the WP:LINKFARM policy. Fair enough, though this strikes us as a disservice to readers. We suspect a better way can be found that provides a link to the initiatives, but we don't know enough about the WP rules/ guidelines/ policies and don't have time now to dive in (as we're organizing a conference on this topic). We have a great team to handle the content of the articles, and there's lots of interest in this topic, but we are a bit daunted by the Wikipedia rules. Is anyone interested in helping us take this on? (Ideally, we'd also find a second Editor fluent in Arabic who can help oversee similar content on the Arabic Wikipedia.) Naturally, we'll integrate this with the broader Arab World Project. Many thanks to anyone who can work on this, or refer us to someone who can. Thank you! DaleMurphy (talk) 13:46, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Wikiproject Pakistan
Wikiproject Pakistan is almost inactive. Don't you think, we've to join Wikiproject Arab for collaboration? Saqib talk 12:11, 9 November 2009 (UTC)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Saqib Qayyum (talk • contribs)

New article: List of Syrian towns and villages destroyed by Israel
There is discussion at the talkpage of moving it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_Syrian_towns_and_villages_destroyed_by_Israel --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 22:02, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Need an Arabic translation for Kaaba image
Can anyone translate the caption on this photo and add it to the image description? Thanks. Kaldari (talk) 21:31, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
 * The caption says: "Photo of the Kaaba al-Musharrafa taken in 1297h (1880 AD), 120 years ago." Eklipse (talk) 11:12, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

DePaul University Students' Contribution
Dear Students,

I see that some of you had started adding and editing the article "Arab Culture". Good start Kaitlin, Karol, Teresa, and Allyson. Please remember to log in when you make changes or add new content. Let me or your classmates know if you need help. I will be checking this discussion forum once a day. You can also post your questions on our ning site Arab Culture. I look forward to reviewing you contributions. Hopefully this will continue beyond the duration of this course --NesreenBadi (talk) 08:31, 16 November 2009 (UTC).

Hebrew or Arabic names for Golan mountains? RfC
RfC, please ad your views here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Golan_Heights#RfC:_Mountain_names --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 21:01, 27 November 2009 (UTC)