Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Architecture/Archive 4

Benjamin Mountfort FAR
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Palazzo Pitti
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Palace Hotel, Perth GA Review: on hold
I have reviewed the GAN of Palace Hotel, Perth, and have placed the article on hold. I did the review prior to seeing that the nominating editor had retired, and I figured I'd leave a message here in case editors wanted to assist in fixing the minor issues to help the article reach GA. I will also leave a message on another related WikiProject talk page to get more editors to possibly assist in the workload. The majority of the changes should be easy to fix and shouldn't take too long. If you have any questions let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk)

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Andriyivskyy Descent GA Sweeps: On Hold
I have reviewed Andriyivskyy Descent for GA Sweeps to determine if it still qualifies as a Good Article. In reviewing the article I have found several issues, which I have detailed here. Since the article falls under the scope of this project, I figured you would be interested in contributing to further improve the article. Please comment there to help the article maintain its GA status. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 03:59, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Architecture journals request
There's a request for copies of articles from 3 architecture journals at WikiProject_Resource_Exchange/Resource_Request; if any member of the project has access to "RIBA Journal" (2002), "Architects' Journal" (1971) or "Building" (1979), please reply there. Thanks, BencherliteTalk 16:35, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry Bencherlite - for future ref, I have AJ's from 1996-97 and 2006-present also AR's from 2006-present - all of which miss your dates - most uni libraries in the uk carry them from way back when. --Joopercoopers (talk) 00:14, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh to still be a student... Thanks anyway. BencherliteTalk 07:07, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Fascist architecture
There are three categories for fascist architecture, Germany Portugal, and Italy. Franco's tomb would certainly qualify. But,,, theses are really just Art Deco buildings. The Art Deco buildings the Italians built in Italy are not different stylistically than the ones they built in Eritrea. I think these categories should be moved from facsist to Art Deco.Historicist (talk) 22:20, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Mark Twain House GA Sweeps: On Hold
I have reviewed Mark Twain House for GA Sweeps to determine if it still qualifies as a Good Article. In reviewing the article I have found several issues, which I have detailed here. Since the article falls under the scope of this project, I figured you would be interested in contributing to further improve the article. Please comment there to help the article maintain its GA status. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 07:35, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

GA reassessment of David Heymann
I have reassessed the above article as part of the GA Sweeps process. There are some concerns which you can see at Talk:David Heymann/GA1. If these are not addressed, the article will be de-listed. Jezhotwells (talk) 19:04, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Chicago Spire GA Sweeps: On Hold
I have reviewed Chicago Spire for GA Sweeps to determine if it still qualifies as a Good Article. In reviewing the article I have found several issues, which I have detailed here. Since the article falls under the scope of this project, I figured you would be interested in contributing to further improve the article. Please comment there to help the article maintain its GA status. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 01:16, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

City of Manchester Stadium FAR
nominated City of Manchester Stadium for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Thankyou,  Aaroncrick  ( talk ) 06:19, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Anyone home? fancy painting the front door?
I wonder if I might trouble you to read this little section on Giano's page about improving the architecture article? I think really what's needed is some input to get a good heading structure, after which I'm fairly confident the article will pretty much write itself - any views or opinions? --Joopercoopers (talk) 20:59, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Doncaster Hill strategy
The Doncaster Hill Strategy is not supported by the Doncaster community.Is there another Municipal council that is trying to reduce householders value of property for the benefit of developers such as Westfield and Pokie King Bruce Mathieson. Also the selling off of pocket parks and support of intense development of the Eastern Golf Course is ridiculous. Walking paths around the steep hills is "Pie in the sky. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.107.188.96 (talk) 04:02, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Architecture Database (geographicaly taged)
What if we could have access to all the buildings that are allready in Wikipedia like in an Architecture Database? I mean, imagine we would like to know all the buildings that exist in a specific city. That happens a lot, when we want to travel. We could use all the information we allready have in a more operative way, organizing it and having access to it geographicaly. Do you think this could be mande inside Wikipedia? Combining this with specific adress or even the coordinates, it could be a real help to all the people here, who for sure like architecture and travelling to see it. We could also have it listed by architect ore by time. Even buildings without article could be there, just with a small reference so you could know it exists and maybe search information about it elsewhere ore later creating an article for it. --Vasco.cortez (talk) 16:34, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

What's missing from Outline of architecture?
Also, here's a relevant discussion about subject development you might find interesting.

The Transhumanist 00:59, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

San Francisco International Airport GAR notice
San Francisco International Airport has been nominated for a good article reassessment. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to good article quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Reviewers' concerns are here.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 01:36, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Possible deprecation of the "Future" templates
I have started a discussion on the possible deprecation of the "Future" templates at Centralized discussion/Deprecating "Future" templates. Since this project uses such a template, I invite everyone from this WikiProject to participate in the discussion. --Conti|✉ 11:10, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

GA reassessment of Chicago Theatre
I have conducted a reassessment of the above article as part of the GA Sweeps process. I have found a number of concerns with the article which you can see at Talk:Chicago Theatre/GA1. I have placed the article on hold whilst these are fixed. You are being notified as the talk page has a banner for this project. Thanks. Jezhotwells (talk) 13:08, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Architecture of St. John's - needs attention
I've added to the lede a bit; the comparison to San Francisco is in most guidebooks but I don't have one handy to cite....this page for now is mostly a gallery page or a list-with-pictures....needs actual architectural-history writeup.Skookum1 (talk) 15:07, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

GA Reassessment of Smederevo Fortress
Smederevo Fortress has been nominated for a good article reassessment. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to good article quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Reviewers' concerns are here. --Malleus Fatuorum 17:25, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Thomas Jefferson GAR notification
Thomas Jefferson has been nominated for a good article reassessment. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to good article quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Reviewers' concerns are here.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 20:42, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Cement Kiln Operation
If the kiln feed LSF is suddenly increased from 96 to 108 what action should the Operator take —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.115.60.180 (talk) 02:12, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Crown Fountain FAC 4
Feel free to comment at Featured article candidates/Crown Fountain/archive4‎.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 03:50, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

"Interstitial space": a mess
I found a short messy article called "interstitial spaces" (plural), and it surprised me by dealing with architecture rather than with what I thought of as any of the usual meanings of that term. Obviously it was incorrect to use the plural, so I tried to move it to "interstitial space" (singular), but there was already a far more substantial article there, also on architecture. So first I redirected the plural to the singular, wiping out the plural article.

Then some further searching yielded the interstitial disambiguation page, which treated biology and physical and mathematical sciences (i.e. what I think of as the usual meanings of the term "interstitial space", as opposed to the architectural meaning), and did not link to the architecture article.

Then I
 * redirected the plural "interstitial spaces" to that disambiguation page,
 * moved the architecture article to interstitial space (architecture),
 * added the architecture article to the disambiguation page.

The disambiguation page is still in a distinctly suboptimal state.

And interstitial space (architecture) is an orphaned article: nothing links there except the disambiguation page.

If there are topics lists and other articles that should link to it, then get busy.

I originally found the plurally-title "interstitial spaces" article by following a link that made me expect biology, not architecture. So these articles have been neglected. Michael Hardy (talk) 18:54, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Interstitial spaces is, I discovered, a valid topic which could be linked to Building services engineering - except that article is so general, it has no comparable links that might make this appropriate. Not very helpful I know. ProfDEH (talk) 08:17, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Peer review
Hello WikiProject Architecture if any of you guys or girls arn't to busy could you help me out by giving me your comments on List of tallest buildings and structures in Liverpool as im hoping to get it to a Featured list. The peer review page is loacted HERE. Many thanks!  Tsange  ► talk 15:44, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
 * That's the wrong link to the peer review, which I missed. The timeline doesn't need the same list format for just three items, with the same pictures and coordinates etc. - better just as a paragraph. Pictures of all the buildings wolud be useful. ProfDEH (talk) 22:37, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Saint Basil's Cathedral needs copyedit
Recently rewritten. TIA, NVO (talk) 18:08, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Dome
The Dome article could use some attention. I have been trying to improve it virtually alone for the past few months, and I've made progress, but my knowledge on the subject has petered out and my interest has started to lag. I'm sure there are others editors here who can take it to the next level. AmateurEditor (talk) 05:30, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Buildings and architecture of Bath - help with GAN comments
Hi all, I put Buildings and architecture of Bath up for GA and a reviewer has started the review, making several comments (at Talk:Buildings and architecture of Bath/GA1) about the structure of the article and areas for development. If any of you had any time to take a look and make any edits or comments you feel are appropriate that would be great.&mdash; Rod talk 20:04, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

Raised on columns
The first of five principles of Le Corbusier (from Villa_Savoye):
 * 1) The pilotis, or ground-level supporting columns, elevate the building from the damp earth allowing the garden to flow beneath ...

Question: is there a generally accepted short English term for it (one, two, at most three words) (only considering modernist buildings) ?


 * The term 'piloti' (I assume you mean) is rarely used except to refer to Corbusier's buildings. Normally they are simply columns. ProfDEH (talk) 18:26, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Bay Pointe
Hi all. A query has come up regarding this article which I think you may be able to help with. This building initially received a fair bit of media attention as it would've been the tallest building in Wales, but the project was subsequently cancelled. The subject passes WP:GNG in my view, but is there any precedent for keeping or deleting articles on cancelled building projects? Bettia (talk) 10:02, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't know of wiki precedents. The fact that a building proposal is not built only means that is not notable as a building, however the architectural design could be. There are numerous examples of unbuilt projects which entered architecture history (Tatlin's Tower, Welthauptstadt Germania, etc.). That being said, the project presented at Bay Pointe doesn't appear to be notable in architectural design terms - there is no reference in this regard. Therefore I suggest removing it from Wiki Project Architecture. The article could be however notable as a structure (i.e. civil engeneering) or in urban planning (bold proposal to change the city's skyline). Or, in case the peninsula is called Bay Pointe, not only the project, it could be that the place is notable. Elekhh (talk) 10:52, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Does anyone have access to old back issues of the Architectural Review?
Can anyone help with this? To satisfy a query at WP:FAC, I need a copy of

If someone has a copy, or can find a copy through a university library, I'd be very grateful. BencherliteTalk 12:50, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

FAR
nominated Xanadu Houses for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 01:08, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Lambrequin
As far as I can see offhand, en-wiki has no equivalent article to fr:Lambrequin; Lambrequin is a redirect to Mantling, which is about heraldry. Is there an article elsewhere that should be interwiki'd to fr:Lambrequin? And should we perhaps turn Lambrequin into a disambiguation rather than a redirect?

Commons:Category:Lambrequins seems to indicate that the English word would be pelmet, but our article Pelmet seems to be about a different (albeit related) architectural element. - Jmabel | Talk 03:18, 8 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Lambrequin is the french word for pelmet. Both the English and French articles are a bit vague about the definition: the French one includes fretwork ornament which is certainly outside the definition of 'pelmet' in English, maybe not in French though. I'll add a bit to Pelmet. In English 'lambrequin' is only used in heraldry. ProfDEH (talk) 12:14, 8 November 2009 (UTC)


 * So is there an English-language term specific to decorative fretwork at the top of a window, as in the examples below? - Jmabel | Talk 18:18, 8 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I have heard scrollwork a few times but mostly "gingerbread" or "gingerbread trim". Binksternet (talk) 18:41, 8 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Fretwork or gingerbread are applicable. See third image illustrating the difference - a pelmet has a function and can be completely plain. ProfDEH (talk) 10:36, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Churches - notability and Manual of style
Hi - I have ventured here as I am currently creating articles about churches in Southampton, starting with St. Mary's. Before I get too stuck in, can I ask a few questions:
 * 1) Is there a Manual of Style for churches?
 * 2) Is there a defined Notability threshold for churches? Those I have done so far are all listed buildings so pass on those grounds, but is there any bar on creating an article on a small 20th-century church with no architectural merit?
 * 3) Should the name of a church begin "St." or "St" (without the stop)?
 * 4) I see some articles refer to, say, Shirley Parish Church rather than St James' Church, Southampton. Which is correct? Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 20:13, 8 November 2009 (UTC)


 * See Notability. External references are a key factor - make a case by case judgement. ProfDEH (talk) 10:40, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

GA reassessment of City and Town Hall
I have conducted a reassessment of the above article as part of the GA Sweeps process. I have found some concerns with the referencing which you can see at Talk:City and Town Hall/GA1. I have placed the article on hold whilst these are fixed. Thanks. Jezhotwells (talk) 21:55, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
 * That may be the name of the building but it's almost the same as City and town halls which is never good, shouldn't the name reflect the location? ProfDEH (talk) 14:09, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think it should. Elekhh (talk) 22:08, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I've put a rename request on the talk page, even with GA status I think that would be an improvement to the article. ProfDEH (talk) 08:34, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

GA reassessment of Dolphinarium
I have conducted a reassessment of the above article as part of the GA Sweeps process. I have found some concerns which you can see at Talk:Dolphinarium/GA1. I have placed the article on hold whilst these are fixed. Thanks. Jezhotwells (talk) 21:27, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Comments requested on Infobox Swimming Pool
As part of a collaboration on creating articles for in the UK, a Swimming Pool Infobox has been created (for an example in use, see Broomhill_Pool, Ipswich). The key time for building lidos was in the 1930s and many now have Grade II and some Category A status due to being increasingly rare public buildings with Art Deco designs. I'd welcome your comments on Template talk:Infobox Swimming Pool for improvement. Would anyone object to this template being added to WP:WikiProject Architecture/infobox?—Speedoguy (talk) 10:09, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

GA reassessment of Vilnius Castle Complex
I have conducted a reassessment of the above article as part of the GA Sweeps process. I have found some concerns with the referencing which you can see at Talk:Vilnius Castle Complex/GA1. I have placed the article on hold whilst these are fixed. Thanks. Jezhotwells (talk) 22:50, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Architecture forum
This must have seemed like a good idea, but those forum pages are little used. Everything on the forum could just as well be on this page instead. ProfDEH (talk) 22:58, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, probably is better to remove the links to the forum, as it isn't used at all, but only makes orientation within the WikiProject more difficult. Elekhh (talk) 11:37, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

I removed the Forums section altogether. The four forums are hardly used (one is completely empty) and it's probably better to have a lively talk page in one place. Views on this are requested, to confirm the change.

I'm not sure what to do about the content. The only more or less current issue on all 4 forums was about Drywall and I've put a link to the forum at Talk:Drywall. But maybe they need archiving / redirecting / a notice saying use the talk page instead - expert help needed here. ProfDEH (talk) 08:26, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Naming conventions (architecture)
I am creating comprehensive naming convention about architecture. And i am asking all of you to join, edit, talk about it here, and make some new good guide for the architecture articles. Wiki must have one! Tadija (talk) 13:33, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Naming conventions (architecture)

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Architecture Selected pictures
Category:Architecture Selected pictures,, has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. –B LACK F ALCON  (T ALK ) 17:03, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Queen Anne Style architecture
It is proposed to split Queen Anne Style architecture into sections: Queen Anne in England (possibly UK), Queen Anne in the US, Stick style including Eastlake Style, and Shingle style. Please comment at the talk page if you can.

PS doesn't anyone know how to archive old stuff on this page? ProfDEH (talk) 08:52, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Architecture forum
This must have seemed like a good idea, but those forum pages are little used. Everything on the forum could just as well be on this page instead. ProfDEH (talk) 22:58, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, probably is better to remove the links to the forum, as it isn't used at all, but only makes orientation within the WikiProject more difficult. Elekhh (talk) 11:37, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

I removed the Forums section altogether. The four forums are hardly used (one is completely empty) and it's probably better to have a lively talk page in one place. Views on this are requested, to confirm the change.

I'm not sure what to do about the content. The only more or less current issue on all 4 forums was about Drywall and I've put a link to the forum at Talk:Drywall. But maybe they need archiving / redirecting / a notice saying use the talk page instead - expert help needed here. ProfDEH (talk) 08:26, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Naming conventions (architecture)
I am creating comprehensive naming convention about architecture. And i am asking all of you to join, edit, talk about it here, and make some new good guide for the architecture articles. Wiki must have one! Tadija (talk) 13:33, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Naming conventions (architecture)

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Architecture Selected pictures
Category:Architecture Selected pictures,, has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. –B LACK F ALCON  (T ALK ) 17:03, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Queen Anne Style architecture
It is proposed to split Queen Anne Style architecture into sections: Queen Anne in England (possibly UK), Queen Anne in the US, Stick style including Eastlake Style, and Shingle style. Please comment at the talk page if you can.

PS doesn't anyone know how to archive old stuff on this page? ProfDEH (talk) 08:52, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Cannot sign up!
I have written quite a number of articles on architecture and have attempted to sign up. But I can't find the template you mention. Can you sign me in. Thanks. Ipigott (talk) 16:34, 16 December 2009 (UTC)


 * You're in! I put the project's userbox on your userpage in case you wish it. You can easily remove it if not. Welcome! Binksternet (talk) 17:07, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Tudor period DYK opportunity
There's a planned press release from at least two Wikimedia chapters (UK and Sweden) for an upcoming image donation from the Mary Rose Trust scheduled for January 3. It's going to be accompanied by a major update of the article on the Mary Rose and the Anthony Roll which are going to be nominated as DYK for the day of the press release. If anyone here is interested in joining in to make that day into a naval/Tudor period theme day for DYK, check out Wikipedia talk:Did you know.

Peter Isotalo 10:06, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Trump International Hotel and Tower (Chicago)/archive3
The current FAC at Featured article candidates/Trump International Hotel and Tower (Chicago)/archive3 is getting fairly mature. We just finally overcame an oppose from one of the toughest reviewers on WP, but need some supports to get the article approved.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:55, 27 December 2009 (UTC)