Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Arena Football League/Archive 2

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Good
Here's the thing. I have created an info box that's for AFL players only and it works just great, HOWEVER, I am tryin' to make one for af2 and I am havin' some trouble. Go here Template:Infobox_af2active. It works fine, but the problem is I have a mysterious > in the upper left hand side and I can't figure out why it's there. Also, I am workin' on gettin' all af2 team colors so that I can finish makin' a color template for af2, like the one use for NFL teams, that has the colors for CFL, AFL, AFL, and AAFL team colors. I need help finishin' up on those, I'm almost done with Template:Af2PrimaryColor. I need help with the other three, ALTPrimaryColor, SecondaryColor, and ALTSecondaryColor. I'd really appreciate any help I could get. You may also wish to go to the PrimaryColor one and make sure that the colors are a) right, and b) on the right template, making sure that the teams' main color (such as the Dallas Cowboys being silver, with blue font) is on the correct template. As I said, I would REALLY appreciate any help. It's very time consuming when it's just me, and I have a computer with very bad RAM and I sometimes get frozen up on a teams website for several minutes. So any help would be great. Thanks,  Cra sh U  nderride  17:03, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Crap!
I'm tryin' to replace the image on the Userbox, since the football pic was deleted. The old AFL logo looks PERFECT!!! HOWEVER, I'm not sure if it would violate fair use. Anyone???  Cra sh U  nderride  17:09, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

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Important note
Project members need to help and add   to player articles starting with the Los Angeles Avengers, as I have done all the ones in the Central Division and the Arizona Rattlers. Also, the project talk page template is now able to assess articles, so that needs to be worked on as well. I worked on assessing numerous articles a few hours ago. Also, after EVERY AFL week, players pages need their stats to be updated. For CURRENT Arena Football League players use the OFFICIAL Arena Football League infobox located at Template:Infobox AFLactive, for RETIRED AFL players (who retired from the AFL and not some other league) use Template:Infobox Arenaretired. Also I have created an infox SOLELY for af2. It is located at Template:Infobox af2active, HOWEVER, I need help (as I stated before on here) getting all the af2 team colors for the infobox. I need help making sure that they are placed in the right spot and not reversed. I would appreciate any help I could get on them. Thanks,  Cra sh U  nderride  04:48, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

New template
I made this template to put at the bottom of the league article and then on the bottoms of each of thise team articles, what do you think?

Original Arena Football League teams

Should we use it?  Cra sh U  nderride  18:39, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I really don't see the point. I mean, none of those particular teams exists anymore except for the Gladiators in the form of the Storm.  What's the point of putting them at the bottom of the AFL articles when they really aren't relevant? WeatherManNX01 (talk) 19:30, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Good question and I appreciate that. I didn't mean at the bottom of ALL the articles. I just meant the articles of those four teams, and the league page only.  Cra sh U  nderride  21:33, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, I guess I just misread your original post. I'm okay with putting it on the articles of the original four, but I don't see that it would add anything to the main AFL page.  The four teams are already mentioned and linked to by name in the article.  I'm also just wary of adding too many templates to the bottom of an article, because they can really start to get cluttered. WeatherManNX01 (talk) 21:57, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * That's why when there gets' to be about three or more they automatically hide themselves.  Cra sh U  nderride  22:38, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I understand that, but there are already five templates on the page. What value does it add to the main AFL article?  As I said, all four teams are already named and linked to in the article. WeatherManNX01 (talk) 22:43, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Suggestions for improving the project

 * 1)  Figure out what subgroups of things need to be worked on, and create landing pages for them in the main page, so we have a cleaner project main page.
 * 2)  Archive the talk page, there are things on here over a year old, it makes the project look inactive.
 * 3)  Prioritize what is the most important things for the project, and start working on them.
 * 4)  Newsletter. I signed up for this project months ago, nobody ever contacted me, so i let it go, and continued my focus in other projects.
 * 5)  Uniformity, and watchlisting. We need to all be active in watchlisting certain articles, and staying up to date with scores, etc. I can help there. Im a nut.
 * 6)  Not letting the project die durring the off-season. If we focus from now til just before the next season, the articles will look good and by the time the season rolls around, people will actually use our projects pages, and might get more involved.

I know I am new to the project, but I think it can really work if we all work together.   Less Than  Clippers   00:23, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Archived the talk page with most of the old stuff. It's a start on getting this going, at least. WeatherManNX01 (talk) 22:28, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Roster template
One of the things on the to-do list is to have all of the rosters completed and updated. Clearly this is going to be a rather major undertaking, as I see there are a lot of team articles with no roster at all. The to-do list suggests using a sortable wikitable. Well, I find those to get rather long and space-consuming like the one seen here (sorry, didn't find one for the AFL like that). Most of the articles with rosters seem to use a roster box more like this (which I also use for the Pioneers of af2). But I did come across a table like the latter that encompasses the sortability of the former in the NBA articles. I kinda prefer the Soul/Pioneers style box, but if we want to include the other info and have sortability, we should use a roster box like the NBA. Either way, we should come up with a universal roster template that we can use for all teams and just have to plug in the team name, colors, and players and info. WeatherManNX01 (talk) 22:39, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Big project update!!!
Well, the time has come, and I have been working on creating a project newsletter. I have thus been very busy. I have also been working on other things to make the project better. To see the (as of right now) first issue of the AFL project newsletter to be released on August 1 (I hope). It is a MONTHLY publication, so that it will be able to contain more information. We will also have a Collaboration of the Month, now week. A month gives us more time to make the selected article better.

I would like you to take a look and if there's anything you know of that needs to be added, leave me a message on my talk page containing the information that should be added and I'll add it. I do know that I NEED someone who can help with the "This Month in Football History" section. This issue is NOT complete, it will have things added too it before the end of the month.  Cra sh U  nderride  20:38, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Current events.
I will be gettin' most of the current events from ArenaFan until they change the league site back to ArenaFootball.com because I can't load ArenaBowl.com on my computer. If you can, then get the MOST important, coaching changes, players releases, traded, signed, etc. From the league site and let me know about it. Thanks,  Cra sh U  nderride  19:31, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Active users
We really should send a message to all signed up active users and see if they are interested in helping the revitalization project, so we can see more people involved.   Less Than  Clippers   22:28, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

New goodies.
How do you like them? :D I worked for over a week on ALL of that stuff....You're welcome. You need to go and take a look at the Mast Team Table, it lists all the teams in the AFL and af2, current only for right now, I'll add the defunct ones starting Friday, July 18, 2008, tomorrow. Also, it lists the team, the city they PLAY in, the head coach, team templates, team season pages, and the team OWNER. Take a look at them and tell me what you think.

Lastly, I'm STILL workin' on the newsletter, it should be done and ready for disribution soon, should the person who runs the bot that I want too use, answer me anytime soon.  Cra sh U  nderride  02:15, 18 July 2008 (UTC)


 * I was checking out the Yearly team pages format, and for that thing about weekly game descriptions, do you think we could take the stories from the AFL website that they do for almost all games (because I've found some that were missing...) and just copy and paste there? Tampabay721 (talk) 02:21, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Do NOT copy and paste, word for word. That's against WP:Guidelines however, every single game doesn't need a whole page worth of material in just ONE section. Ok? 16:18, 18 July 2008 (UTC)