Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Assam

Category:People from Assam
Can we organize the personalities in category:People_from_Assam

Bikram98 09:27, 17 March 2007 (UTC)


 * How do you propose to do that? Would you put personalities, say Jyoti Prasad Agarwala, in multiple categories?  Assamese writers, Filmmakers of Assam, Musicians of Assam, etc?  That would be sensible.  Chaipau 13:08, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, let us put in that fashion. We also need to consolidate the Sub-categories. Bikram98 16:22, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Ghanendra K Nath (talk) 06:44, 27 May 2011 (UTC) Hi friends. Do we have a page for Anundoram Barooah? If not we have to add it in the to do list.


 * Go ahead and work on it. Chaipau (talk) 12:17, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Category:Politicians of Assam
It might be better to make this a sub-category of Category:Indian politicians. Then we may remove them from the "Indian Politician" category, which is overcrowded. Chaipau 14:52, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Bikram98 16:23, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

The politicians whose pages have been added recently, have very little or no material. It would be good to add some new information, atleast in the page of the person who is from your own consitituency? Manjil P. Saikia (talk) 09:36, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Ahom Ethnocentrism and Ahom Supremacy
Defining Terms:

(a) Ahom - of or related to Ahom kingdom, e.g., Ahom-goods, Ahom-man, Ahom-woman, Ahom-culture, Mongoloid-Ahom, Dravidian-Ahom, Tai-Ahom, … … … while Tai-Ahom (a branch of Mongoloid-Ahom) are the people whose ancestors immigrated from that time Thailand and established Ahom kingdom in eastern part of Kamarupa.

(b) Ahomese - the dialect that evolved in Ahom Kingdom, i.e., from day one the Tai-Ahom entered in Eastern Kamarupa they had no choice but to learn to speak in local language; there were no systematic language-learning approaches out there; they then occupied and form kingdom right there; so from day one this Ahom dialect or Ahomese was started as part of learning difficulties. This dialect is what is now known as Assamese.


 * Why have you been using ranghar image like emblem here? Is this emblem of Assam?
 * This behaviour exhibits Ahom Ethnocentrism and Ahom Supremacy. Besides, current present area of Assam was never the area of Ahom Kingdom.
 * Wikipedia shall not be used to propagate Ahom Ethnocentrism and Ahom Supremacy.
 * What is the formal method in Wikipedia to file a complaint for investigation?

Kurmaa (talk) 16:45, 9 August 2012 (UTC)


 * The Ranghar is a secular symbol of Assam that represents culture and sports. A recreation of the ranghar provides the gateway to the Sankaradeva Kalaskhetra (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Srimanta_sankardeva_kalakshetra.JPG)  The Ranghar is not considered an ethnocentric symbol.  Chaipau (talk) 18:54, 9 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Sankaradeva Kalaskhetra gate was a political decision. This ranghar image usage matter needs an independent investigation. Ranghar was the place where a group of Ahom decided to form ULFA - the group that led to thousands of killings (since it was formed) in present Western Assam. That time Tai-Ahom administration beheaded Sankaradeva's son-in-law and threatened to behead more Vaisnava. Present Ahom people (both Dravidian and Mongoloid) yet to apologize for such behaviour of their ancestors. What is the formal method in Wikipedia to file a complaint for investigation? Kurmaa (talk) 19:52, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Just a curtsy reminder
Kurmaa (talk) 08:13, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
 * What is the formal method in Wikipedia to file a complaint for investigation?

Just another curtsy reminder

 * ranghar image choice exhibits Ahom ethnocentrism and Ahom supremacy as 1 out of 3 had chosen this image. How government uses Tai-Ahom? see.
 * What is the formal method in Wikipedia to file a complaint for investigation?

Kurmaa (talk) 04:05, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Image for WP:WikiProject Assam
We need an image for this WikiProject. Please discuss the suggestions, or add more. A most culturally neutral symbol is best.
 * Rhino - the most accepted image
 * Elephant - Assam has been known for its elephants from the hoary past
 * Seal of the Kamarupa kings - historical symbol

Assam tea is going with the rhino. I would go with the rhino for this WikiProject too. Chaipau 15:05, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

More suggestions: Personally, here is my preference in order : (1) Rhino, (2) Rangghar, (3) Seal of the Kamarupa kings (this is something new; never seen before) --Bikram98 16:37, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The Rangghar.
 * Map of Assam with Brahmaputra prominantly marked.

I would support any of the following:
 * Rhino
 * Map of Assam with/without Brahmaputra
 * the word "অসম" (Assam) in Assamese.

I would like to oppose specific Ahom connotations in order to be inclusive. --Deepraj | Talk 13:34, 21 May 2007 (UTC)


 * A close reading of history will tell you that the Ahom kingdom was indeed inclusive. It was, in fact, called the Kingdom of Assam contemporaneously, and that the word Ahom was used for an ethnic community and extended to the old kingdom only in colonial times. (Saikia, Yasmin (2001))  People from different ethnic backgrounds, which included Brahmins, Nagas as also Mishings, rose to high offices in the Ahom kingdom (Phuleshwari Kunwonri, a non-Ahom, was a Nati dancer,and her brother became the Borgohain).  The Barahi community disappeared into the "Ahom" community.  Mir Jhumla's chronicler was disgusted with the local Muslims, because they were more "Assamese" than Muslims and did not help Mir Jhumla in his conquest.  The swargadeo's maintained the older deodhais as well as brahmin priests in state matters.  The Ahom kingdom was indeed an inclusive kingdom.


 * The Ranghar is a symbol of people participating in sports. In its fields today people dance during the Rongali Bihu, as people used to during the times of the Ahom kings.  The Bihu today is so popular in part because the Ahom kings accepted it as a national festival and patronized it.


 * Chaipau 10:39, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


 * From above 1 out of 3 supports ranghar. There you equate Ahom to Tai-Ahom, how government uses Tai-Ahom see http://indiaedunews.net/Assam/ST_status_to_Assam_groups_only_from_a_national_perspective_2813/


 * For Ahome Ahomese see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Assam#Ahom_Ethnocentrism_and_Ahom_Supremacy


 * Kurmaa (talk) 23:43, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Userbox for WP Assam
I am putting together an userbox for members of the project. If you have any suggestions/preferences do let me know. --Deepraj | Talk 13:34, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Priyankoo has just published a Userbox for people coming from Assam. We can stick with that one for the time being until more ideas develop. You can add in your user page to use it.-Deepraj | Talk 16:07, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Template/Infobox for WP Assam
Just like the other WikiProject pages I would like to see a template or infobox for articles put under the umbrella of WikiProject Assam. What do the rest of the members think? --Deepraj | Talk 13:34, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * A good idea. Please go ahead.  Also, we need a TODO page.  Chaipau 10:51, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Shortcut for WP Assam
I have a proposition to campaign for WP:ASM to be redirect to WikiProject Assam. Please check out the talk page there.
 * The shortcut "WP:ASM" has been updated to redirect to WikiProject Assam.-Deepraj | Talk 08:56, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

An Assamese Barnstar?
What about an Assamese/Oxomiya Barnstar? We must be ready to recognise good interventions and contributions to content related to Assam. Is there someone handy with graphics? I would like to propose something along the lines of "picture of a Rhino (full/head)"/"map of Assam"/"অসম" inside a regular barnstar. What do you think? -Deepraj | Talk 15:32, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * A good idea, indeed. We could start with something simple and upgrade it to something spiffy later on.  Chaipau 19:54, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmm.. on second thought, let us call it "Assam barnstar". Chaipau 20:11, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Please check out Template:The Assam Barnstar and use it as well as improve it. If there are no adverse comments in the near future I propose to include it in the main article on our project page -Deepraj | Talk 14:29, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Wonderful! Yet another design concept could be the regular barnstar with the jaapi in place of the circular portion.  Chaipau 16:57, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Or a gamosa draped around the barnstar. This would be tough to make, but very appropriate.  Chaipau 20:06, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * It is ready with some variable functionality. Do check it out and of course use it to the fullest extent! Would like some input on text to announce this to the public ;-) -Deepraj | Talk 10:47, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Babel box in Assamese
The babel box(es) for Assamese needs to be translated into Assamese language with Assamese script. Any takers? My spelling and proper translation ability is a bit doubtful ;-(. Maybe Chaipau/Porikolpok/Priyankoo can pick this up? -Deepraj | Talk 17:06, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Assam
It is wonderful that we got this started. We have been working on most of the Assam related pages for some time now, but even so we have not been able to produce a good "Feature Status" article. The hope is that with a coordinated effort, we may be able to produce a few such articles. The first article to look at is of course Assam. Does anyone have other suggestions? Or how to get Assam to feature status? My suggestion is (1) Clean-up (2) More references and (3) Expansion of some sections. After we do this we ask for comments. Chaipau 12:05, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Abt Assamese wikipedia
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welcome to Assamese wikipedia
Hi,

It is a pleasure to see your efforts on english wikipedia to write about assam. can you people please contribute to assamese wikipedia which is in very early stages. please visit as.wikipedia.org and contribute. we absolutely require your help and suggestions.

Regards Sangeeta

Moved above unsigned message/comment from 'Sangeeta' from main page to this talk page -Deepraj | Talk 13:42, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

HI, not sure if this is best way to communicate, but i noticed on the Assam tea page a reference to assam producing half of all indian tea production, and then a few words later it says it is 5th largest tea producing district in india, Punjab being no 1. Which I can't reconcile.Amenhotepking (talk) 19:00, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Font size issue
Well, let us discuss the font issue here.

I have seen some people use to increase the font size of Assamese fonts. This seems to work well on English Wikipedia, because it increases the size relatively. Using an absolute size might create a problem if different users use different default font-sizes.

As far as Assamese Wikipedia goes, I currently don't have a solution. But it looks ugly on my browser. I can live with that if others find it okay. But what if someone prefers ekushey fonts? I do. Nevertheless, the solution has to be font neutral.

Chaipau 20:52, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Assamese people and People of Assam
Should these articles be merged? -- Hongooi 09:13, 16 June 2007 (UTC)


 * No. Not all people in Assam are Assamese.  Chaipau 02:26, 18 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, one reason I asked is because the first sentence in Assamese people is "The Assamese people are a multi-ethnic, multi-religious and multi-linguistic people of Assam. ..." If the article is supposed to be about the ethnic group as opposed to the population of the Indian state/region, maybe someone could have a look at it. Although going from the next few sentences ("Historically, the definition of the "Assamese people" has remained in flux ... Attempts in the past to define the Assamese people on linguistic, cultural or ethnic basis have failed") this might be tricky. -- Hongooi 06:08, 19 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Assamese people is a stub. Please read some of the material linked from the article.  If all the people from Assam were Assamese people, then this issue would not be contentious.  People of Assam, on the other hand, describes all the people in Assam.  Chaipau 11:50, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Category:People from Assam
Recently, Category:Historical People of Assam was deleted because "historical" is too vague, and merged with Category:People from Assam. This creates a few problems. First, it would result in crowding. Second, historical Assam is not present-day Assam. My suggestion is that we follow the historical eras defined in History of Assam and Timeline of Assam history and create categories specifically to these eras. Please list your comments and suggestions. Thanks. Chaipau 11:25, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Pre-history - The period before proto-history. Obviously, there is no need for a category for this period.
 * People from proto-historical Assam - The mythological period, or the period for which events are mentioned in later epigraphic sources and literatures. Could include personalities like Narakasur, Bana, Bhagadatta etc.
 * People from ancient Assam - The first historic period, beginning with Pushyavarman's reign, 4th-century.
 * People from medieval Assam - The period marked by the end of the Pala dynasty of Kamarupa Kingdom and the beginning of the Khen dynasty of the Kamata kingdom.
 * People from colonial Assam - 1826-1947.
 * Category:People from Assam - 1947-present. This category will include the above categories as sub-categories.

I have found that wikipedia lack pages on the history of Assam and historical people. Even some pages about Ahom kings have so less information. I have decided to fill some information about Assam history. I have already started modification in the page " Burmese Invasion of Assam ". I have added the background reasons which lead to the Burmese invasion of Assam. I will also add some more information in this page. I have also changes the pages of Burmese kings Bodawpaya, Bagyidaw and Burmese general Mahabandula. It seem our Burmese friends have skipped many parts of history relating the Burmese Invasion of Assam. Friends, do share your ideas and plz comment on the changes i have made. Diganta Kumar Gogoi 12:29 AM 27 FEBRUARY 2012

Naming conventions
There seems to be a lot of discrepancy in the spelling of various place names/people names/material etc related to Assam. What can be done from WikiProject Assam's perspective to promote consistency. IMHO, there are no right or wrong spelling in most cases in English/Latin character sets. However, the WP:Assam members may be able to recommend certain approaches through consensus. Otherwise there will be a question on the credibility of the articles references etc. Looking forward to other's views. -Deepraj | Talk 10:09, 28 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree. We can begin by delineating the rules in WikiProject Assam/Naming convention.  Before we do that, let us discuss some rules.  I would suggest the following, as we go from top to bottom
 * Use the specific spelling that is in use. For example, use "Baruva" instead of "Barua" for Parvati Prasad Baruva (it is redirected  to Parvati Prasad Baruwa currently.)
 * Use standard English spelling, if the above does not exist.
 * Use phonetic spelling if standard English does not exist. (we need to build up a convention for writing phonetic names---in Assamese/Bodo etc.)


 * Once we have an accepted set of rules, we may transfer them to WikiProject Assam/Naming convention. Chaipau 12:03, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

getting started
hi i'm ishan an avid wikipedian from jorhat/bangalore. how can i work on the Assam project. i've no wikipedia edit experience —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ishan kaushik (talk • contribs) 11:00, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

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would be glad to joind in this project..
Hello all, I am really so happy to see a active group for assamese articles here. I shall be glad to join you people and do whatever possible by me. Hope you will acknowledge me. I am sorry to say that somehow I am not getting the hang of this orkut project and user things. So many things are looking awkward for me. Hope I shall learn them soon. I am not sure whether to put it here. I have something to say about the pronunciation. I believe we should write according to the pronunciation in assamese. 's' as in asom should be 'x' and written as 's' as in Chandmari. Like in Ganeshguri, I would like to put it as ganeshguri not as ganexguri. The names should also be written in the assamese font to reduce any confusion. Far better if someone can add the actual pronunciation symbols. Hope to come back soon. And, yes where can I find the 'todo' list? -regards. ````uddip

List of Assamese Literature: Phool
I had just been through the page and found Phool is listed an assamese children's magaine. But there are two things first I have never came across any children's magaine by that name, but I may be wrong; and second, the link there shows that it is the one of the most widely read urdu magazines wordlwide. But there is no mention it is published in Assamese too. I checked their website too, there also is no mention about an Assamese edition. So, I have deleted the entry. If there is really one please readd the entry, but not the link, which I believe is misleading. Added name of Xophura there, which I know is being published regularly now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.99.208.247 (talk) 13:53, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

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The new design features are being applied to existing portals.

At present, we are gearing up for a maintenance pass of portals in which the introduction section will be upgraded to no longer need a subpage. In place of static copied and pasted excerpts will be self-updating excerpts displayed through selective transclusion, using the template Transclude lead excerpt.

The discussion about this can be found here.

Maintainers of specific portals are encouraged to sign up as project members here, noting the portals they maintain, so that those portals are skipped by the maintenance pass. Currently, we are interested in upgrading neglected and abandoned portals. There will be opportunity for maintained portals to opt-in later, or the portal maintainers can handle upgrading (the portals they maintain) personally at any time.

Background
On April 8th, 2018, an RfC ("Request for comment") proposal was made to eliminate all portals and the portal namespace. On April 17th, the Portals WikiProject was rebooted to handle the revitalization of the portal system. On May 12th, the RfC was closed with the result to keep portals, by a margin of about 2 to 1 in favor of keeping portals.

There's an article in the current edition of the Signpost interviewing project members about the RfC and the Portals WikiProject.

Since the reboot, the Portals WikiProject has been busy building tools and components to upgrade portals.

So far, 84 editors have joined.

If you would like to keep abreast of what is happening with portals, see the newsletter archive.

If you have any questions about what is happening with portals or the Portals WikiProject, please post them on the WikiProject's talk page.

Thank you. &mdash; The Transhumanist  07:26, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Expert attention
This is a notice about Category:Assam articles needing expert attention, which might be of interest to your WikiProject. It will take a while before the category is populated. There might be as few as one page in the category, or zero if someone has removed the expert request tag from the page. &thinsp;&mdash; Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)&thinsp; 23:18, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

Rabha Jatiya Aikya Manch

 * Is the party notable?
 * Please add some sources.Xx236 (talk) 11:36, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Kamarupi Prakrit listed at Requested moves
A requested move discussion has been initiated for Kamarupi Prakrit to be moved. This page is of interest to this WikiProject and interested members may want to participate in the discussion here. —RMCD bot 11:00, 6 May 2019 (UTC)
 * To opt out of RM notifications on this page, transclude, or set up Article alerts for this WikiProject.

Kamrupi dialect listed at Requested moves
A requested move discussion has been initiated for Kamrupi dialect to be moved to Kamrupi language. This page is of interest to this WikiProject and interested members may want to participate in the discussion here. —RMCD bot 14:46, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
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Request for information on WP1.0 web tool
Hello and greetings from the maintainers of the WP 1.0 Bot! As you may or may not know, we are currently involved in an overhaul of the bot, in order to make it more modern and maintainable. As part of this process, we will be rewriting the web tool that is part of the project. You might have noticed this tool if you click through the links on the project assessment summary tables.

We'd like to collect information on how the current tool is used by....you! How do you yourself and the other maintainers of your project use the web tool? Which of its features do you need? How frequently do you use these features? And what features is the tool missing that would be useful to you? We have collected all of these questions at this Google form where you can leave your response. Walkerma (talk) 04:24, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Kamrupi dialect listed at Requested moves
A requested move discussion has been initiated for Kamrupi dialect to be moved to Kamrupi dialects. This page is of interest to this WikiProject and interested members may want to participate in the discussion here. —RMCD bot 09:47, 28 October 2019 (UTC)
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Ahom kingdom listed at Requested moves
A requested move discussion has been initiated for Ahom kingdom to be moved to Ahom Kingdom. This page is of interest to this WikiProject and interested members may want to participate in the discussion here. —RMCD bot 14:01, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
 * To opt out of RM notifications on this page, transclude, or set up Article alerts for this WikiProject.

New Page Patrol

 * New Page Patrol needs experienced volunteers
 * New Page Patrol is currently struggling to keep up with the influx of new articles, including Assam related articles. We could use a few extra hands on deck if you think you can help.
 * Reviewing/patrolling a page doesn't take much time but it requires a good understanding of Wikipedia policies and guidelines ; Wikipedia needs experienced users to perform this task and there are precious few with the appropriate skills. Even a couple reviews a day can make a huge difference.
 * If you would like to join the project and help out, please see the granting conditions and review our instructions page. You can apply for the user-right HERE. --John B123 (talk) 13:01, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

== Nomination for merging of Template:Infobox Assam Vidhan Sabha constituency, Template:Infobox Kerala Niyamasabha Constituency, Template:Infobox Vidhan Sabha constituency, Template:Infobox state assembly constituency and Template:Infobox Indian state legislative assembly constituency == Template:Infobox Assam Vidhan Sabha constituency, Template:Infobox Kerala Niyamasabha Constituency, Template:Infobox Vidhan Sabha constituency and Template:Infobox state assembly constituency has been nominated for merging with Template:Infobox Indian state legislative assembly constituency. You are invited to comment on the discussion at Templates for discussion/Log/2020 July 14. Thank you. 122.167.185.249 (talk) 13:13, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Project-independent quality assessments
Quality assessments are used by Wikipedia editors to rate the quality of articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at Content assessment, but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent Village pump proposal was approved and has been implemented to add a class parameter to WikiProject banner shell, which can display a general quality assessment for an article, and to let project banner templates "inherit" this assessment.

No action is required if your wikiproject follows the standard assessment approach. Over time, quality assessments will be migrated up to WikiProject banner shell, and your project banner will automatically "inherit" any changes to the general assessments for the purpose of assigning categories.

However, if your project decides to "opt out" and follow a non-standard quality assessment approach, all you have to do is modify your wikiproject banner template to pass WPBannerMeta a new custom parameter. If this is done, changes to the general quality assessment will be ignored, and your project-level assessment will be displayed and used to create categories, as at present. Aymatth2 (talk) 14:19, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Bathow Puja


The article Bathow Puja has been proposed for deletion&#32;because of the following concern: "Can't find verification for really any of the content in this article. Looking at the meanings of the words in the name of the article, it looks like Bathouism is a specific religion, and Puja just means festival, so really it seems the article is attempting to be about the different kinds of religious festivals associated with bathouism. if this information could be used in the main bathouism article, or if the main Kherai article needs more information, those seem like great places for the content of this article."

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, pages may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Gnisacc (talk) 23:04, 25 June 2024 (UTC)