Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Astronomy/Archive 9

Rename: Gas giant -> Giant planet
I have proposed that gas giant be renamed to giant planet, since there has been a shift in usage in scientific and general press and research publications since the article was originally written. This shift has been particularly pronounced in the last half-decade. Please lodge your opinion on whether the request is a good idea at talk:gas giant.

70.24.248.23 (talk) 13:58, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Julian day UT1/TT issue
If someone knowledgeable could have a look at my question at Talk:Julian day, I'd appreciate it. Cheers, AxelBoldt (talk) 21:26, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Minor planets articles - information needed at AN/I
It would be helpful if members of this wikiproject could comment at. The question is about the creation of articles on minor planets, and whether these articles meet the necessary standard of notability. There seems to have been an ongoing discussion within this wikiproject, and a short summary of the status of that discussion would be very helpful. &mdash; Carl (CBM · talk) 00:23, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The discussion has been archived here. Regards, RJH (talk) 16:20, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

No article ratings table
It looks like the tool that generates the WikiProject's article ratings table must have died. Regards, RJH (talk)
 * Looks like it is fixed now. Thank you. Regards, RJH (talk) 16:17, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Zodiac
Hi, coming here from a discussion at the fringe theories noticeboard. Attention is being paid to articles on astrology at the moment. I wondered if some of you people wanted to look again at Zodiac to see if the content is what you want. If necessary, a separate Zodiac (astrology) article could be created, or perhaps some material could go into Astrological sign. A clear distinction between astronomy and astrology is essential, I think we all agree. Thanks. Itsmejudith (talk) 09:24, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Hello Itsmejudith. I don't think you can completely separate historical astronomy from astrology; the two had something of an intermixed history for many centuries, particularly in the ancient civilizations. What you can likely separate is the modern astronomical beliefs from astrology. Hence, I agree that it might be a good idea to migrate the modern astrological information into Zodiac (astrology), as you suggest, and let that article develop on its own. I'm not sure that the Zodiac is really all that important in astronomy any more; it should probably mainly be a history article. Regards, RJH (talk) 16:25, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for this advice. I'm mainly interested in the history of astronomy and astrology, so will look to see if the Zodiac article works well as history, and will consider breaking the current astrology out into the separate article - but only if there is enough material to warrant it. Itsmejudith (talk) 18:00, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Vetting for Timeline of the Big Bang
An apparently well-meaning IP has changed a few numbers at. The new numbers may very well be correct, but should probably be vetted by someone more familiar with the references than I am. --Christopher Thomas (talk) 22:19, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Ultrahigh energy gamma-rays
I noticed a red-link to UHEGR; I looked it up, and thus started writing Ultrahigh energy gamma-ray. However, I've quickly got out of my depth; I'm certainly no expert in this field and although it seems there is very interesting information available about these extraordinarily-high-wave radiation, I'm struggling to understand the papers. So I have a dilemma, because I'd like to make the article at least a little better, but I'm afraid I might not get it right.

So, can anyone please help a little? Apart from the one ref I've given, I was looking at "Ultrahigh energy gamma rays: Carriers of cosmological information" and...well, I'm sure there are many other things that could be mentioned, but you're probably better at finding them than I am.

Thanks, in anticipation, for any help anyone can give - even if it's just to make sure that what I've written so far makes sense. Best,  Chzz  ► 10:08, 26 November 2011 (UTC) I might ask on Physics, too
 * I made a few, hopefully constructive edits. The article seems fine to me, but I'm not an expert. Regards, RJH (talk) 20:06, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

RfC for proposal to promote Notability (astronomical objects) to notability guideline
Please join the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(astronomical_objects). Many editors here weighed in during a long discussion. I would like to see as many astronomy editors as possible adding comments to the discussion. AstroCog (talk) 01:23, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The RfC is in full gear right now, and though there is currently a majority in support of the guideline, there are some strong opposition voices. It would be helpful if I wasn't the only one countering the opposition arguments, and also if more of the WP:ASTRONOMY editors here would weigh in with their support, especially those involved in the discussion to develop the criteria. When countering or replying to opposition comments, please be very civil and level-headed. We'll catch more flies with honey than with vinegar! AstroCog (talk) 13:57, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I've lent my support vote. The main counter-argument here seems to be that WP:N is enough, and that a specialized policy isn't needed. I don't agree, but not sure how to counter. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 16:32, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

An administrator has indicated that they will close the RfC (when prompted) on December 3rd (this Saturday). If anyone from this community hasn't left comments there, now is the time to do it. Cheers, AstroCog (talk) 13:53, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Timeline of the far future
is currently undergoing FLC here. As this really needs reviewers I was hoping a member of this Wikiproject might be able to offer their opinion.  Serendi pod ous  20:31, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Category:Kepler
Category:Kepler has been proposed to be renamed, because of its ambiguity. 70.24.248.23 (talk) 05:18, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Portal:Moon
Portal:Moon is up for peer review. Please comment here. Thanks. JJ98 (Talk / Contributions)  21:16, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Suggestion regarding extrasolar planet articles
An IP made an interesting suggestion regarding a chart from one of the planets orbiting Gliese 581. He (or she) pulled the chart and posted it at this location, recommending it as a means by which one may display information comparing temperatures of a selected extrasolar planet with those of Earth, Venus, and Mars. Would anyone like to weigh in on this? It seems to hold some potential. --Starstriker7(Talk) 19:15, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Do we need to include Fahrenheit? Regards, RJH (talk) 16:11, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
 * ♦ For Kepler-11g and Kepler 22b. And that's Equilibrium Temperatures, with references. 24.79.40.48 (talk) 07:41, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Is this a valid exception to WP:UNITS? Regards, RJH (talk) 16:20, 7 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Starstriker -- I think that is an excellent idea. N2e (talk) 02:23, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Suggestion and assistance needed in article GRB 101225A(Christmas burst)
Expansion and reference needed for this Gamma ray burst.  Dr meetsingh Talk  08:45, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Suggested Link
Hi there astronomers. I have been part of a project, funded by the STFC, called "Once Upon a Universe". The project brought together astrophysicists and creative writers to with the aim to create an accesible, dramatic, and accurate account of the story of the big bang. The result of the project can be viewed by following this link. Do you think there are any pages in which it would be suitable as an external link?

Many thanks, Amphibio (talk) 21:53, 9 December 2011 (UTC)


 * The discussion that prompted this is here, for context. I suggested that A. ask here for a wider discussion. --Christopher Thomas (talk) 22:11, 9 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Looked at this webpage. It's a wordpress blog site, with colorful descriptions of cosmology. No references, no indication of credibility, no names, no easily findable connection to established astronomers, labs, agencies, etc. I'm also put off by the language, seen multiple times on the site, about welcoming "alternate explanations", and another saying, "Disclaimer: it should be understood that the descriptions presented are, in a sense, still theories; alternate ones exist and our current knowledge is subject to change. However, the majority of these theories are widely accepted, and together form a comprehensive narrative of the evolution of our universe". It strikes me as similar to creationist language, unless it's just a clumsy way of reaching out to people skeptical of science. Therefore, I don't see any good place to put this website's linking. AstroCog (talk) 22:45, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The types of external links that normally avoided are listed at WP:ELNO. A blog would normally not be appropriate unless it is written by a demonstrated authority. Regards, RJH (talk) 22:57, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I also had a look. The contents of the 'Science' pages are just a poorly-explained mish-mash of various ideas from cosmology and early-universe physics. The language is poetic and there are recordings of the content, but neither are conducive to clear simple explanations. There are no useful diagrams or images, and very little hard science. The contents of the 'Stories' pages are a load of short stories and poems loosely inspired by the ideas on the Science pages, but frankly of no use whatsoever to anyone interested in the science (which includes anyone reading the Wikipedia pages on the topic). Whilst I'm glad that the participants apparently had fun creating this website, and some people may enjoy reading the stories, I do hope STFC didn't spend much money on this given that they've been slashing actual science programmes recently. I'm all in favour of outreach, but only if it actually imparts some useful information. The links certainly don't belong on Wikipedia. Modest Genius talk 13:12, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Solar eclipse
nominated Solar eclipse for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. DrKiernan (talk) 21:56, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the notification. Regards, RJH (talk) 23:23, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

C/2011 W3 (Lovejoy)
Would anyone well-versed in this subject like to take a crack at fleshing out C/2011 W3 (Lovejoy)? Some sources:, ,. I'm not well-versed in astronomy in general or comets in particular (my contribution was limited to creating a DAB page for it), but given the prominence in the news, the article may be well-visited over the next day or so. TJRC (talk) 22:00, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
 * 18 hours later, and the article is superbly improved. Thank you to all the editors who cleaned it up and added content and references. TJRC (talk) 17:57, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I must say, it was as fun to work on the article and watch it progress as it was to watch the progress of the comet itself. Quite a fun few days in astronomy. — Huntster (t @ c) 09:28, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Size of the non-observable universe
An anon has started a thread at Talk:Universe regarding the various size estimates and bounds that have been proposed (which are now mostly at Observable universe). While I'm not convinced that the material is worth covering in depth, they did make a good argument, and I don't have strong feelings about it either way. If anyone else wants to evaluate the situation, be my guest. --Christopher Thomas (talk) 08:31, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Notability (astronomical objects) promoted to guideline
I just saw that an admin has promoted the essay to guideline. Huzzah! Thanks to all involved, especially those who assisted in its developed here at the WikiProject. Thanks also to those who commented at the RfC, both in support and opposition, because both kinds of comments helped to strengthen the guideline.

Please "watch" the astronomy article alerts for any new PRODs and AfDs. If and when WP:NASTRO is used during one of these processes, we should be there to make sure it is used properly and not abused. Cheers, AstroCog (talk) 03:37, 3 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I put in a request at Template talk:Notability to add an 'Astro' option to the notability template so that the viewers will be directed to more relevant information. Regards, RJH (talk) 21:10, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The 'Astro' option has been added to the Notability template. I tested it on 129234 Silly to confirm. Regards, RJH (talk) 18:14, 28 December 2011 (UTC)


 * That's a silly name for an asteroid, no wonder it didn't meet the guideline ;) Modest Genius talk 13:22, 30 December 2011 (UTC)


 * After the first 10,000 asteroids were discovered, interest in naming them dropped significantly. -- Kheider (talk) 15:50, 30 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm surprised that there aren't many 'name an asteroid' scams like those 'name a star' things. I suppose that's because there's at least an official list, which they wouldn't be able to use. But I doubt many gullible punters would notice the difference... Anyway this is getting rather off topic. Modest Genius talk 18:20, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

NARA on-wiki ExtravaSCANza participation
Please see User:The ed17/NARA to brainstorm ideas and a structure on how we can help make the National Archives ExtravaSCANza a success, in the hope that such events will continue in the future. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 10:06, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Abbreviation trouble
While disambiguation, I've encountered numerous links to GOS, VDB and CGO, plus a couple more that I'm probably forgetting. These all link to disambiguation pages, and none of the entries on those pages have anything to do with Astronomy. For now, I've tagged them as disambiguation needed. What should these link to? D O N D E groovily  Talk to me  15:40, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I checked Google and those seem to be astronomy catalogue abbreviations:
 * GOS – Galactic O Star Catalogue
 * VDB – van den Bergh catalogue
 * CGO – Catalogue of Galactic O Stars
 * They might be a little on the obscure side, so I'd be tempted to get rid of those links on astronomy articles. Regards, RJH (talk)


 * Is there a list of astronomical catalogs that these could be linked to? I'd like to see them added to their disambiguation pages so that people can actually disambig them correctly. D O N D E groovily   Talk to me  01:35, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
 * There's a query database... SIMBAD dictionary ... that can be checked against. 76.65.128.132 (talk) 07:59, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Nice! Regards, RJH (talk) 20:22, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree with RJH - none of those are significant enough to deserve a wikipedia article. But there is an article at List of astronomy acronyms which you could link to, though none of the initialisms given above are even significant enough to have made it onto that list. Modest Genius talk 10:06, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Found it: List of astronomical catalogues D O N D E groovily   Talk to me  16:02, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Stellar classification explanation request
Hello,

Does anybody know if there is a good web site or freely available paper that explains the current stellar classification scheme? I'm running into classifications such as "kA7hA9mF0 III", "G2 V CH−0.3", or "K1 IIICN+1". I can sort of guess what they mean, but I'd rather have a proper source so I can get it right. Unfortunately, none of the sources I've checked explain it at all well (including Morgan-Keenan).

Thank you! Regards, RJH (talk) 05:13, 5 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm not aware of one, the best I've seen is actually our article :/. Astronomers propose extensions to the scheme in certain areas all the time, and those extensions fall in and out of favour. All of the examples you give seem unnecessarily detailed, unless there's some reason why e.g. the strength of the CN bands is of interest. As a general classification, those sorts of details can be left out - I wouldn't bother with more than the spectral class (with subclass), luminosity class, binaries, and one or two of the suffixes if relevant. So 'B2 Vpe' or 'A3 III + F0: V' or 'O9.5 IV((f))', but no more detail than that, unless of course you're writing an article on the topic of CH in G stars. Modest Genius talk 09:56, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, that makes sense. Thank you. Regards, RJH (talk) 13:47, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Not sure how easy it would be for you to obtain or borrow this book, but it's probably the most up-to-date and readable treatment: . AstroCog (talk) 13:11, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I saw that on Google books, although it doesn't give enough access to be quite useful. It looks fairly expensive, unfortunately. Regards, RJH (talk) 13:47, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * See if any of the libraries listed here are near you. You can just check it out. — Huntster (t @ c) 08:52, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Sup RJH (has been a minute), yeah I added a bunch of oddities to the Stellar Classification page and some was removed over time. But basically reading those AJ papers, some are meant as a bleeding classification or uncertainties. Also found a plethora of WD types classification (mainly those sub-types of PG-1159 types) that would make the wiki people edit my list as vandalism (chuckles). But what I found is that some of that are the personal preference of the author, bleeding class, or the star exhibit such a specific signature that it's in its own class. kA7hA9mF0 III, I've seen something like this, but not sure. I know that there are some prefixes that are used (that are not explained on Stellar Classification page). Some are from Henry Dragper's old classification and other are new (ie. esd). And some are still used, (ie. "d"). As for the numbering, (I don't know what the name is), the number in K5.0. That 5.0. Sometimes they use something other than ".0" or ".5". Usually those are like bleeding (at least that person at SIMBAD told me). So a M9.2 was almost like a M9.0 but can still be an L0.0. Hope this wasn't too confusing. Thanks, Marasama (talk) 23:42, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * sd / esd = subdwarf / extreme subdwarf
 * d = dwarf star
 * sg = subgiant
 * g = giant
 * c = supergiant
 * k = I forgot... (-_-)
 * We should probably have a subarticle that details these extensions. The main article should be as is. 76.65.128.132 (talk) 08:40, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
 * 'd' is not uncommon but considered rather archaic; most astronomers prefer to use V. 'sd' and VI are the other way around though, with sd more common than VI. The others you list are very rare as far as I've seen. As for the non-integer subtypes, a lot of that comes from the fact that the original numbers assigned by MK aren't very evenly spread or reflect actual diagnostic differences, so some subtypes are no longer in use whilst others have been expanded with decimals. Some of those are real subtypes and rather standard (e.g. O9.7), whilst others are the investigator's personal preference or an alternative to writing e.g. B1.5-2 (instead writing B1.7). Modest Genius talk 10:17, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

File:Hubble first light.jpg
has been nominated for deletion. 76.65.128.132 (talk) 05:28, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Hydrogen-burning process
My question is whether the Hydrogen-burning process stub article should be converted into a disambiguation page? I'm not sure that there is much that can be added here that can't be moved to one of the two sub-topics. But perhaps I'm missing something. Regards, RJH (talk) 22:35, 8 January 2012 (UTC)


 * If I remember correctly, a large number of "(element)-burning process" short articles and stubs were created a year or two back. This is probably one of them. Given its current state, I certainly wouldn't object to it being converted to a disambiguation page. --Christopher Thomas (talk) 01:22, 9 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I agree it should be in a disambig page. The term "burning" for nuclear fusion reactions is also a poor choice of word (unfortunately it's still commonly used by astronomers), but among professionals, you're more likely to hear the specific name of the process, or "hydrogen fusion reactions" for the general term.AstroCog (talk) 05:19, 9 January 2012 (UTC)


 * In my experience, most professionals don't care which process is actually going on, the important bit is that it's hydrogen-burning. The only people who distinguish between the specific processes are those interested in stellar structure, nucleosynthesis and/or chemical evolution (now there is an inappropriate name). I would prefer to see that article become a discussion of the importance of the two processes in various types of star and the affect that the two have on e.g. stellar evolution. But that would take some significant work to implement, and if no-one has the time and inclination a proper dab page would be better than the existing article. Modest Genius talk 10:07, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * One alternative could be to combine the two processes into a single article. Neither one of them is particularly long (and both are organized with too many short sections), so it seems feasible to take that approach. The stellar nucleosynthesis article is also pretty short for what it covers, so we could merge "Hydrogen burning" there and expand it (leaving separate articles for the p-p and CNO processes). Regards, RJH (talk) 15:50, 9 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Of these I'd favour the second option, keeping p-p and CNO separate and merging "hydrogen burning" elsewhere. There are quite a lot of articles that link to each specific process; redirecting them to a merged article would lose a fair bit of context. --Christopher Thomas (talk) 17:03, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay. In that case it may make sense to expand the individual "burning types" of the stellar nucleosynthesis article into summary-style sections, beginning with hydrogen. That way it can also address Modest Genius' concern. Thanks. Regards, RJH (talk) 17:30, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Let us not forget that "burning" to most people means combustion, so Hydrogen should be linked. 76.65.128.132 (talk) 06:03, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The same argument could be made about all of the "(foo)-burning process". I really don't think it'll cause much confusion. If the rest of you feel otherwise, that's what   is for. An example would be "  ", which produces:  --Christopher Thomas (talk) 06:32, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for all of your feedback. I made an attempt at adding an expanded "Hydrogen burning" section to the Stellar nucleosynthesis article, incorporating existing text and adding some new details. (I'm quite sure it could be improved and expanded.) I'll redirect the Hydrogen burning page there for now.

I wasn't able to find any information about the mass ranges where the two different hydrogen burning cycles dominate during the initial hydrogen shell burning phase, unfortunately. It may be the same as with the main sequence for all I know. Shrug. Thanks again. Regards, RJH (talk) 17:23, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

LARES (satellite) and User:Again him!
The LARES (satellite) is due to launch this month, and the brand-new user User:Again him! (contribs) seems to be on a one-man crusade to make sure that the article mostly consists of a discussion criticisms of the article by one scientist - Lorenzo Iorio. Our article on Iorio was deleted two years ago, after an AfD which was filled with sockpuppets (the article was later recreated and deleted again). Many of those sockpuppets edited both the LARES article and the frame dragging article; and now the brand-new user has come directly to my talk page to complain about the LARES and frame-dragging articles, despite me having no involvement in either. This is feeling suspiciously similar to Sockpuppet investigations/Gravitom/Archive; could another astronomy editor take a look and see if they agree with me? The LARES article could also use some eyes, especially since it is likely to end up on WP:ITN when it launches. <b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 21:39, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Have things settled down over there now? From a quick look at the talk page, some sort of agreement seems to have occurred? SalopianJames - previously Colds7ream (talk) 09:51, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
 * seems so, I guess. I haven't been paying too much attention to the article (been far too busy), but I thought I should bring it to people's attention. I'm still concerned about the user though. <b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 14:10, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Category:ROSAT
Category:ROSAT has been nominated for deletion. 70.24.249.190 (talk) 00:34, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Level 4 Vital Articles – Astronomy
The rating icons for Astronomy articles are now up at Vital articles/Expanded/Physical sciences. Hopefully the current list meets with everybody's approval. The Vital articles/Expanded project is not yet at the stage where excess entries will need to be pruned, but its getting close to the 10,000 article goal. Regards, RJH (talk) 04:20, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I think Magellanic clouds should removed and replaced by Small Magellanic Cloud (Large Magellanic Cloud is already there, but probably should be under the Local Group heading). Great Attractor isn't really a vital concept, so maybe we should replace it with something else. <b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 14:19, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Straw poll: Automated stub redirection
I've proposed using a bot to automatically redirect a large number of asteroid stubs back to the list-of-asteroids pages. This is the sort of thing that should only be done if there's strong consensus for it, so I've started a discussion thread at WT:ASTRO. Please comment as you see fit. --Christopher Thomas (talk) 09:33, 24 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I've closed this as "no consensus" (after leaving it up for a week). There were comments in support, but I'm not going to the bot approval group and ask to auto-redirect 10k+ stubs with only four votes in favour. By all means float the proposal again down the road if more people think it's a good idea. --Christopher Thomas (talk) 08:16, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Project image


I propose the logo of the Wikiproject be changed to File:Iridescent Glory of Nearby Helix Nebula.jpg as it is of better resolution of the current image. It wouldn't make a difference in terms of the display of the logo but it would promote the better quality image over the older lower quality image. -- A Certain White Cat chi? 13:09, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The current image does a better job showing the detail in the outskirts of the nebula, and is a Featured Picture (your proposed replacement is not). There's not much in it as far as the appearance in project-related templates etc. goes, but using an FP is probably a good thing. <b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 14:14, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The question is which image is superior. The current image clips part of the detail that is available in the proposed one. The current image also has color issues it seems.
 * I am not absolutely sure why the two images are different but the 16,000 × 16,000 version was constructed in 9 orbits. Its resolution is five times more detailed. The story is:
 * "Valuable Hubble observing time became available during the November 2002 Leonid meteor storm. To protect the spacecraft, including HST's precise mirror, controllers turned the aft end into the direction of the meteor stream for about half a day. Fortunately, the Helix Nebula was almost exactly in the opposite direction of the meteor stream, so Hubble used nine orbits to photograph the nebula while it waited out the storm. To capture the sprawling nebula, Hubble had to take nine separate snapshots."
 * Therefore it is my belief that the prior image is perhaps not the most accurate representation of the Helix nebula. The outskirts you see may be a product of down-scaling or noise in signal perhaps.
 * -- A Certain White Cat chi? 16:34, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The two images are based upon the exact same HST data (see e.g. ). Yours covers a wider area simply because it has been combined with a ground-based image to fill in areas outside the field-of-view of the Hubble data. <b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 17:36, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I do not see how it is a wider area. If you compare the locations of the background starts it is more or less the same exact view. Open both images under same resolution side by side and you will see little difference when switching between them in terms of area covered.
 * I am not sure if the larger image is combined with ground based telescopes at any point, though I may be wrong. I am however curious how you reached that conclusion (personal curiosity, not questioning your accuracy).
 * -- A Certain White Cat chi? 21:03, 29 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Why does it matter that the other image is higher res? It's a very small thumbnail, and will always be a very small thumbnail, so the extra resolution doesn't do anything. 70.49.124.157 (talk) 06:21, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
 * To me, the point is when user clicks on it. -- A Certain White Cat chi? 09:36, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
 * 3200 × 3200 pixel resolution is larger than the vast majority of screen resolutions out there. Unless you're going to print this out for a poster using something like an HP Designjet L26500, frankly I don't think its going to matter. Regards, RJH (talk) 21:16, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Article on Frederick C. Leonard
I have improved it quite a bit.... added lots of references. It has just been moved from the Physics Project to the Astronomy Project. Please evaluate for an upgrade from 'C class' and improve my sparse composition. Regards, Ariconte (talk) 20:24, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Video linking campaign
seems to be linking videos into a large number of physics and astronomy articles (the one I noticed being ). At first glance it looks like these are appropriately sourced and adequately on-topic, but I'd appreciate it if a few more people could vet the additions. The pattern of behavior is raising warning flags (linking in rapid bursts, no discussion that I've noticed, similar sources for most of the videos). --Christopher Thomas (talk) 17:00, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Looks like another overzealous ESO PR person, though there are ESA and NASA videos in there too. Essentially harmless, but pushing the relevance of the videos for all they're worth an any vaguely-related article. Maybe worth asking them to declare if they have a relationship with any of those organisations on their user page? <b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 19:52, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

WikiWomen's History Month
Hi everyone. March is Women's History Month and I'm hoping a few folks here at WP:Astronomy will have interest in putting on events (on and off wiki) related to women's roles in astronomy's history, society and culture. We've created an event page on English Wikipedia (please translate!) and I hope you'll find the inspiration to participate. These events can take place off wiki, like edit-a-thons, or on wiki, such as themes and translations. Please visit the page here: WikiWomen's History Month. Thanks for your consideration and I look forward to seeing events take place! SarahStierch (talk) 00:53, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Plenty of good female astronomers. Heck, the ladies did almost all the heavy lifting in stellar astrophysics about 100 years ago (Leavitt, Jump-Cannon, Payne-Gaposhka(sp?), etc). Lots more, too. I wouldn't mind getting a drive encouraging editors to improve their articles. Cheers, AstroCog (talk) 01:29, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Beatrice Tinsley, Ruby Payne-Scott, Margaret Burbidge, Jocelyn Bell Burnell...I have the biography of Tinsley on my shelf if anyone would like to collaborate on that one. Iridia (talk) 05:41, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
 * +Margaret Mayall. Regards, RJH (talk) 16:13, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi everyone! Great to see conversation taking place about potential article creation and expansion in regards to the ladies of astronomy. Perhaps an article drive for women in astronomy for March? I'll help promote your work as best as I can, and encourage others to participate. Maybe we can do some online outreach to astronomy groups/clubs? Sounds like you are on the verge of a game plan, perhaps we can add a few article or concepts here: WikiWomen's_History_Month. Thanks for your enthusiasm! SarahStierch (talk) 17:43, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Excellent initiative! For those who read French, the monthly magazine La Veillée de nuit (Night Vigil) featured a series of articles on women in astronomy, from November 2011 to February 2012. It can be found at http://veilleedenuit.info CielProfond (talk) 00:19, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I've started chiselling some shape to Priscilla Fairfield Bok, whose four-decade collaboration with her husband Bart Bok counts as one of the great astronomy partnerships. Does anyone have access to her obituary, which was published in Sky & Telescope, vol. 51, p. 25 (1976)? A scan would be very handy. Iridia (talk) 00:41, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I can probably get that for you, but I'll need a place to send it to. AstroCog (talk) 01:31, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Many thanks! My email is now switched on. Iridia (talk) 02:22, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Drat. My access doesn't go back that far (from home). I'll try a friend who might have access and get back to you one way or the other. AstroCog (talk) 02:45, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Looks like the only access to that will be through on-site microfiche. For me, at least. Perhaps there's a die-hard here who has a closet of physical copies? AstroCog (talk) 15:02, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Dark matter and Oort
A while back, made a handful of edits to, stating that Oort inferred its existence in 1932. This was reverted shortly thereafter due to lack of appropriate citations. The account went inactive (they had a total of 8 edits).

Now, similar information was added by, who seems to have been editing several articles in similar ways since 31 January.

Could someone who knows their history please vet the latter user's contributions? This pattern of activity raises warning flags (though it's always possible that the edits are correct). Might also be worth asking them if the former user was related in any way. --Christopher Thomas (talk) 05:04, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Dark matter in particular seems to attract a lot of controversy wherever it is mentioned in Wikipedia. I suppose that's inevitable. Regards, RJH (talk) 20:06, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Samad (crater) - hoax?
I am unsure, and there is entire category of similar articles - Articles for deletion/Samad (crater) Bulwersator (talk) 15:27, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * It's listed in the USGS Gazetteer of Planetary Nomenclature, which I think is pretty authoritative. They list the name as being adopted by the IAU in 1982, making it official. As to whether it's notable, well that's unclear. Regards, RJH (talk) 18:49, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Features on a geologically active world such as Enceladus should be notable enough to keep. We just need locate the Voyager source image(s) for Volcanopele's uploads.-- Kheider (talk) 19:39, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Eh, didn't we just go through a comparable argument for the minor planets? It'd be better to satisfy WP:GNG, then there would be no room for dispute. :-) Regards, RJH (talk)

Observatory question
Could project members please take a look at WP:VPM? It's a question regarding some asteroids and (I think) the observatory which discovered them. -- Red rose64 (talk) 16:26, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

What is the question
Good morning

Yes : the asteroids are:
 * 4231 Fireman
 * 4242 Brecher
 * 4305 Clapton
 * 4309 Marvin

The question is: discovery site :
 * Harvard College Observatory (in the Harvard University), in Cambridge, Massachusetts ?
 * Oak Ridge Observatory in Harvard, Massachusetts ?

UAI Minor planet center references: hypothesis: confusion Harvard College Observatory and Oak Ridge Observatory.
 * 4231 Fireman (UAI MPC)
 * 4242 Brecher(UAI MPC)
 * 4305 Clapton(UAI MPC)
 * 4309 Marvin(UAI MPC)

Thank you --Jean-François Clet (talk) 17:20, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * For 4231 Fireman at least, the Dictionary of minor planet names lists it as being discovered at the Harvard College Observatory. Regards, RJH (talk) 23:12, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Commons' problems with some astronomical image
There is an ongoing effort by some admins on commons to delete all MESSENGER and New Horizons images. (See and ). I think this is not justified because they use very specious interpretation of their image use policies. I think the astronomical community needs to know and participate in all those discussions. Ruslik_ Zero 08:59, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I bumped into a similar situation here. Thincat (talk) 22:02, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * "It may be simulation..." . - The Bushranger One ping only 22:11, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, and it may be a painting by Gustav Klimt. I got to Commons after this image was listed on Wikipedia both here and here so it is under triple attack. I have just seen a plaintive plea from the uploader at File_talk:Syrtis_Major_Map.JPG. Thincat (talk) 22:26, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * To my (non-expert) eye it looks like that the original image was almost certainly created by a US agency thus is public domain, but the website it is sourced from is not. If the image can be proven to be created by NASA or USGS, then the problem would be fixed. Perhaps you could find it on http://ida.wr.usgs.gov/ ? <b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 11:27, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Mmm. The image use policy on the source website is here. Thincat (talk) 11:29, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Stellar classification
I feel that this page is still incomplete by missing the following information. Any thoughts is welcome, thanks, Marasama (talk) 21:26, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) Harvard prefix - which are not really used much, ie. d, sg, g, & c.
 * 2) Variable stars - I feel it needs a small description with a main article link to Variable star.
 * 3) Extreme wD classes - There should be a mention that there are a few WDs that are practically in their own classes. ie. KOI types (ie. KOI-81) and a few AJ papers that described extreme types, ie. DZQO types  (1996).
 * 4) Guest star - probably should be a mention due to this having the word star in it.
 * 5) Exotic star and Neutron star - probably needs a mention on it. And neutron stars can be plotted on the HK diagram but would be far below.  I've only seen 2 pictures of this on the net and seen many more questions asking where it would be placed at, example.
 * 6) Green stars - why they don't exist and they appear white. (although some claim they see a green tint).
 * 7) Hot subdwarf OB, is not mentioned. Uncertain where it should be placed.
 * Neat HR diagram, . Thanks, Marasama (talk) 21:30, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * You should probably bring this up on the talk page of the article, rather than here. <b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 13:37, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

id of NASA image
File:ISS011 Upheaval Dome.jpg is without source but there is "iss011ed7428" (probably image id) on the bottom - unfortunately I was unable to use it to locate image. Maybe somebody know how to use it Bulwersator (talk) 22:29, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Gotta love Google and editing the URL. :P

http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/scripts/sseop/photo.pl?mission=ISS011&roll=E&frame=7428 Thanks, Marasama (talk) 22:59, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Nebula needs a major overhaul
I been trying to overhaul the page, but I'm stuck with unable to gain reference and what I would type would be unreference. Asking for help on fixing this page up. Looking for guidence; thanks, Marasama (talk) 23:04, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * As seen on the page Talk:Nebula, there are more types than the classical types.
 * Hello Marasama. Personally I'd like to see more development of the diffuse nebula section. Astrophysics of gaseous nebulae and active galactic nuclei by Osterbrock and Ferland (2006) looks like a potentially useful core reference, which you can then supplement with related journal articles via Google scholar. You might see if that book is available in your local library system. Otherwise, at least some of the book's content is available via Google. Regards, RJH (talk) 00:53, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

T Tauri star - same issues as the Nebula section
As this page is missing chucks of data, ie. CTTS types. Thanks, Marasama (talk) 23:07, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
 * As also shown on Talk:T_Tauri_star.

Commons
Some issues about Commons: have cropped up, see WT:ASTRO. 70.24.247.54 (talk) 04:19, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

User Box
I put together an alternative userbox (User WPAST) that employs the same graphic we use in the WikiProject template. The original User:Icez/User Astronomy, which uses the astrological symbol for Saturn, is included (bottom) for comparison:

Does it need further refinement? Regards, RJH (talk) 19:45, 17 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I like it. Can you widen the picture, or make the border black so it blends with the background? Just my 2 cents, but I think it could look more attractive that way. Cheers, AstroCog (talk) 21:12, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
 * It had a black border originally, but seemed a little stark to me. Shrug. I tried changing it to a dark gray so you can barely see the border, but it should still match up with neighboring boxes. Is that okay? Regards, RJH (talk) 23:05, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I like it this way, too, and with the new image it's more quintessentially "astronomy" than the astrological symbol. I'll use it! Cheers, AstroCog (talk) 23:08, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I think the astrological symbol one should be deprecated and removed from the project page, the new one is much better. <b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 14:10, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
 * One other thought, shouldn't it read 'is a member of WikiProject Astronomy' rather than 'is a member of the Astronomy WikiProject'? The former sounds a lot nicer to my ear. <b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 15:14, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The other user boxes at Userboxes/WikiProjects flip back and forth quite a bit. There doesn't seem to be any consistent rule to apply. I went ahead and changed it. Regards, RJH (talk) 15:34, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

RFC at Big Bang
There is now an RFC at Talk:Big Bang on the subject of the degree to which religious interpretations of the Big Bang should be mentioned in the article. --Christopher Thomas (talk) 02:16, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Glossary of astronomy terms
While going through some recently-rated astronomy articles, I'm finding quite a few may not have much potential for expansion. A couple of examples are Morning width and Starfield (astronomy). I thought it might help to set up a glossary article, Glossary of astronomy terms (as has been done with a number of other fields: cf. Category:Glossaries on science). Regards, RJH (talk) 04:12, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * We also need to improve coverage on Wiktionary. It's rather poor there, perhaps a satellite WikiProject at Wiktionary for Astronomy would be good? 70.24.251.71 (talk) 07:41, 20 February 2012 (UTC)


 * The glossary in the Astronomical Almanac could be a start. It is in the public domain in the US, but maybe not elsewhere. The copyright statement on the reverse of the title page reads "© Crown Copyright 2010 This publication is protected by international copyright law. No part of this publication may be reproduced...without the prior permission of Her Majesty's Nautical Almanac Office...


 * "The following United States government work is excepted from the above notice and no copyright is claimed for it in the United States...M1–M18...." M1–M18 is the glossary. Jc3s5h (talk) 14:40, 20 February 2012 (UTC)


 * That may as be, anon. I haven't spent much time with that project, since there's just so much that needs improving upon around here. :-) Regards, RJH (talk) 20:12, 20 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Perhaps we should also have glossaries for subfields and subtopics? glossary for astronomical objects, glossary for constellations , glossary for telescopes etc... 70.24.251.71 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 07:45, 1 March 2012 (UTC).
 * For the first, we do have Astronomical object, where I suspect the big table might work better as a hierarchically-organized glossary. I'm not sure what you'd put in a glossary of constellations, but a glossary of telescopes (telescopy?) would be good. Regards, RJH (talk) 15:36, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Planetarium software
I am sitting at a lecture about how to enter comets into your program, and am shocked to fail to find a general article about this kind of software. Just a bunch of individual articles about individual products. Jim.henderson (talk) 01:09, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I use various planetarium software packages on a regular basis, so I'm fairly surprised too. Turns out the relevant page was redirected to Planetarium some time ago. I removed the redirect and started a stub. You're welcome to expand. Cheers, AstroCog (talk) 02:11, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

JSTOR
Heads up, apparently JSTOR is offering free access to some articles. Since some astronomy articles are available through JSTOR, this might be useful.

See http://about.jstor.org/rr

70.24.251.71 (talk) 05:54, 12 March 2012 (UTC)


 * No astronomy journals are currently included in the scheme. And I'm not sure how useful it would be even if they were, given the limitation of only 3 articles every 14 days, restricted to digitisations of old journals only. Since almost everything from the last 30 years - plus most significant older material - has been digitised already, there's only really going to be items of historical interest. <b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 10:07, 12 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I had noticed a couple of physics journals there, and since some astronomy articles are published in physics journals, I'd expect there might be some. Probably not exceedingly useful though. 70.24.251.71 (talk) 10:39, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, JSTOR does have a number of history articles that I wish I'd had access to, so hopefully those will be beneficial in the future. Now if only Icarus would allow free access to their articles after a couple of years... Regards, RJH (talk) 14:44, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

astronomy categories being speedy renamed
Several tens of categories are being nominated for speedy renaming at WP:CFD, see WP:CFDALL in the speedy section.

If you categorize objects into constellations, this may be of interest to you, since constellations will no longer be consistently named.

There's also an issue with conflating the two definitions of Milky Way (we have unified article, but categorization is for the galaxy, we're missing a categorization for the nebulosity) 70.49.126.147 (talk) 05:40, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Is there a new doctrine that says a category must match the name of its primary article? I don't see one, so this just seems like pedantry. Regards, RJH (talk) 17:57, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * No there is not (indeed, frequently, when the name of the main article is ambiguous (it has a dab page associated with it), the category is disambiguated), it's just bureaucratic actions based on a speedy renaming criterion. There's a recommendation that they should match, so there's a speedy rename criterion, but it's not a "must". 70.24.245.141 (talk) 04:31, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

astronomy categories
some more have come up at CFD, see Categories for discussion/Log/2012 March 14

70.49.126.147 (talk) 05:43, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

And more, at Categories for discussion/Log/2012 March 15

70.24.245.141 (talk) 04:40, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Help with GLOBE at Night article
I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this, but I'm looking for someone to help improve the GLOBE at Night article, which I recently wrote and nominated for DYK: Template:Did_you_know_nominations/GLOBE_at_Night. It was reviewed as sounding like an advertisement and needing more neutral language. I get (now) that the lede wasn't ideal, but I don't really see the problem (from a neutrality/advertising perspective) in the rest of the article, so I'm not sure what I should change. I could really use someones help in making it more neutral (or else weighing in if you think it's ok as it is). Best wishes, Anotherdoon (talk) 19:18, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I've gone through, cleaned up the prose, expanded the lede, and neutralised. Anyone else want to take a look? This was a really nice little IYA program and it's great they've kept it going. (And yes, this was the right place to come ask, Anotherdoon. Thanks for your work!). Iridia (talk) 04:52, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

ALMA image caption
Could someone do a sanity check on this edit? That was where I corrected the image caption as the source for the image doesn't mention other telescopes being used and I think someone got confused by the credit line. The original image caption at that article was here, later modified here, then changed again and changed back here. Looking at the article as a whole, there is a fair amount of information out there about ALMA, not all of which is in the article, so it could be expanded and fleshed out a bit if anyone is interested. Carcharoth (talk) 01:37, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * That is quite odd. In the original ESA press release, it's pretty clear that it's an HST image in the visible, combined with ALMA bands 3 and 7 (millimetre/submillimetre). I think you're right that the credit lines got confused. Iridia (talk) 03:23, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * ESO, not ESA... :-) But yeah, I thought it was a bit odd. Thanks for that check. Carcharoth (talk) 03:27, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

Can we please get rid of this astrology stuff in the conjuction article?
Why is this page not split? The two subjects are simply too disparate to be lumped together. Readers don't need material presented to them in a scientific article that has no evidence and isn't even believed by most people, as if it were equally true. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 21:23, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I assume you mean the Conjunction (astronomy and astrology) article? As long as astrological beliefs are not being stated as fact, I don't see it as a problem. See WP:WEIGHT. That being said, the list of conjunctions should probably be split off into a list article. Regards, RJH (talk) 23:30, 17 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Don't you mean split it in twain? Conjunction (astrology) and Conjunction (astronomy) ? List of conjunctions would also be good to split off. 65.92.181.184 (talk) 03:44, 18 March 2012 (UTC)
 * If you split the article, you might be able to get support from WP:Astrology. 65.92.181.184 (talk) 08:26, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

New template cite sbdb/cite simbad
I just created this for citing entries in the JPL Small Body Database (which surprisingly enough, lacks an article).

Basically, writing will give

It should prove useful to everyone here. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 21:03, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Merge comment needed - NGC 246
Merge NGC 246 with BD-12° 134? Please comment at Talk:NGC 246 D O N D E groovily   Talk to me  04:00, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Ugh, it's a CarlosComB article... 70.24.245.141 (talk) 04:43, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I have redirected BD-12° 134 to NGC 246 because the former had no content that wasn't already in the latter. Reyk  <sub style="color:blue;">YO!  20:49, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

naming of astronomical catalogues
Apparently, we will soon be receiving a wave of nominations to rename the astronomical catalogue catagories (either through speedy renaming request, or full CFD requests) see the comment at Categories for discussion/Log/2012 March 15 for NGC objects by the nominator. 65.92.180.130 (talk) 04:18, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Not to denigrate the process, but these fall into my "Yeah whatever" rating category for article edits. At least it's out of the way down at the bottom of the article. Regards, RJH (talk) 16:53, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I am somewhat concerned that the bottom of all astronomical articles will become excessive wordy for describing the categories section, ie stars (in space, not in Hollywood). There is no reason to spell out the long name of common astronomical catalogs like NGC. If anything they can put (astronomy) next to the terms that they do not understand. -- Kheider (talk) 17:43, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, in terms of interface design principles it seems like a poor approach. Those category lists can become quite bloated and long category names only make it worse. It quickly reaches a point of diminishing returns; possibly even having a negative effect on the user. The result is an increase to the users mental workload and a reduction in relevance, both of which are undesirable features for an interface. I have the same issue with bloated hatnotes, which I think harm the useability factor. Regards, RJH (talk) 18:22, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Horribly out-of-date to-do pages
Hi, I'm new to the astronomy project. I'm looking for a single (or any) place to find all astronomy pages needing citations, for example, and any other categorized type of work. After looking around on the project page and the astronomy portal I found a few wilting links (for all intents & purposes, though, ...they're dead):
 * Pages needing attention/Astronomy - last edit August 2010
 * WikiProject Astronomy/Cleanup listing - last edit March 2010
 * WikiProject Astronomy/Worklist - last edit November 2009

These seem like really useful pages to have and to keep up! Plus it looks like they were semi-/automatically maintained. Why did that stop? If there are newer pages, could someone please point me in the right direction and update the project and portal pages by replacing (or removing) the old and unused links? That'd be good to have whenever I (or anyone else) gets in the editing mood :) Thanks, Tom.Reding (talk) 04:33, 21 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I think that the cleanup listing and attention listing should be autogenerated by a bot... if a WPAstromony bannered page has (yellow) cleanup templates, it gets autolisted, if it has more serious orangebanners it gets listed for attention. 70.24.248.7 (talk) 05:13, 21 March 2012 (UTC)


 * The cleanup listings are generated by the toolserver now. See . Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 06:03, 21 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you! So, I'm guessing the reason that link to the cleanup listing isn't as prominent as it should be is because of load issues on the toolserver.org server? It should definitely be more intuitively visible otherwise. -- Tom.Reding (talk) 09:54, 21 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Well the worklist is a voluntary effort, so the upkeep is only as good as those willing to perform it. Personally I go by the assessment categories table on the WikiProject main page, which are directly representative of the current article ratings and hence don't require spending time maintaining a separate list. There's also a more up-to-date list at Vital articles/Expanded/Physical sciences. Regards, RJH (talk) 15:01, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

OsirisV
While doing some article cleanup, I noticed that articles created by in 2008 and 2009, have alot of typographic errors, incorrect categorizations, and incorrect references. (typos like having a 5 instead of a 4) (using references for other celestial objects, instead of the correct link, but the thing being refd on the page is from the correct link not the wrong one) (using the wrong data from the wrong ref) (categorization under some other key (copypasted articles?) instead of the topic's key) Someone might want to do a more detailed comb of the articles.

70.24.248.7 (talk) 08:10, 21 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Can you direct us to the articles please with a link? <font color="grey" face="Tahoma">Pass a Method <font color="grey" face="papyrus">talk  08:19, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

main sequence star types articles
has completely messed up the entire set of "x-type main-sequence star" articles. The all got moved to "x-type main sequence", and now alot of them are all over the place, some of them called "x-type main-sequence star", others called "x-type main sequence star". Since IIRC we had an RM discussion that set up these names (when we hyphenated "main-sequence"), this seems to have violated an existing consensus. (and I guess this is why he nominated all the related categories to be named "x-type main sequences" (ugh!) before withdrawing those ) but now the articles need to be checked for consistency in naming. 70.24.248.7 (talk) 04:22, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Big fucking mess after a bunch of page moves and CFDs

 * X-posted from WT:ASTRO

just recently starting moving a bunch of pages willy-nilly, and then made CFD nominations based on the page moves. Nearly all of them don't make any sort of sense, and there's a lot to revert and cleanup. Help would be appreciated to cleanup that mess, as s/he aren't listening to reason. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 18:43, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I tried to revert one of the nonsensical moves, but was prevented from doing so. Hmm, must be another change. Regards, RJH (talk) 18:59, 21 March 2012 (UTC)


 * god what a mess. He can't seem to be able to see that "moon images" (any moon) is ambiguous with "Moon images" (The Moon). or these weird nominations that were withdrawn (robotic application of the naming recommendation that categories match articles is very bad practice...) 70.24.248.7 (talk) 04:18, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yep. More Wikipedia goofiness. Regards, RJH (talk) 15:23, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

categorization keys by User:Armbrust
has made a massive change of our categorization keys, such as this edit when one of the main articles for that category is "blue giant". We need to examine all the star type articles for categorization key removals or additions. 70.24.248.7 (talk) 04:26, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Jesus hell, can that guy stop making drastic unilateral changes for two seconds? Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 04:54, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * In typical fashion, dialogue is impossible. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 05:39, 22 March 2012 (UTC)


 * If Armbrust refuses to discuss the matter, an admin should send a stern warning to discuss further changes with the project. -- Kheider (talk) 14:16, 22 March 2012 (UTC)


 * A glance at their talk page and contribution history yesterday suggests that this is not a new problem. If attempts at dialogue continue to fail, the next step is to start a thread at WP:AN/I asking that they be given a short block to pause the disruption while people with admin powers explain to them that WP:BRD isn't a license to skip the "get consensus for changes" step in the editing process (non-admin discussion attempts don't seem to have helped, based on the talk page history). --Christopher Thomas (talk) 00:09, 23 March 2012 (UTC)


 * He has proposed a large number of stellar classification article name changes here: Categories for discussion/Log/2012 March 21. Hopefully that means he is responding to the comments. Regards, RJH (talk) 15:11, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Bot moving all of the "X constellation" categories to "X (constellation)"
Does this seem completely daft to anybody else? An impartial observer must think we spend a tremendous amount of time "fixing" trivial things that don't need fixing. Regards, RJH (talk) 15:39, 21 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, if you hang around some of the process pages, there's alot of "makework" things going on. Hell, a common thing with categories is, it doesn't matter if the article has a stupid name, we have to rename the category, then we'd rename the article, then the categories get renamed a second time... Why not rename the article in the first place? because the user doesn't work on article names, only category names! 70.24.248.7 (talk) 04:00, 22 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I guess I shouldn't care so much because it is just categories, but it creates a big problem on the watch list where the haze of mass bot changes is concealing potential vandalism that may remain undiscovered for a long time. Regards, RJH (talk) 15:26, 22 March 2012 (UTC)


 * You can select 'hide bot edits' on the watchlist. - The Bushranger One ping only 17:02, 22 March 2012 (UTC)
 * True, but unfortunately bots can make a mangled mess of things sometimes, so they also need to be checked. Thanks. Regards, RJH (talk) 19:03, 22 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Since all the categories were deleted ( Categories_for_discussion/Log/2012_March_14 ) can we rebuild them as categoryredirects? If not, I will never again categorize anything by constellation, since it's just too much work, as there's no consistent naming pattern anymore (not all of the categories contain "(constellation)" only some of them ). 70.24.248.7 (talk) 06:16, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I think there is still more discussion going on, so we may want to wait a little while and see what falls out. See: Categories for discussion/Log/2012 March 22. This type of renaming still falls under my "daft behavior on Wikipedia" category. Regards, RJH (talk) 16:15, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * That doesn't work with some of the categories, like


 * Category:Triangulum Australe constellation to Category:Triangulum Australe – C2D per Triangulum Australe Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:37, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * and several others since we're not building categoryredirects at Category:Triangulum Australe (constellation) . 65.92.180.188 (talk) 23:22, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I created soft redirects at Category:Canis Minor (constellation), Category:Corona Australis (constellation), Category:Equuleus (constellation), Category:Leo Minor (constellation), Category:Piscis Austrinus (constellation) and Category:Triangulum Australe (constellation). In theory, that should take care of the revision for you. Regards, RJH (talk) 00:33, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

I just fixed the Category:Bootes constellation categoryredirect ... which might be one of the last categories left at the old naming method... but Category:Bootes_(constellation) doesn't exist. 70.49.124.162 (talk) 13:39, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Regards, RJH (talk) 14:23, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Greetings from GLAM-Wiki US
We currently have interest from the Imiloa Astronomy Center of Hawaii, who wants to begin a Wikipedia cooperation and implement QRpedia codes. If there is anyone interested in assisting with this project specifically, be sure to let me know. LoriLee (talk) 20:56, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Venus in the daytime sky tonight
Venus will be visible in the daytime sky tonight(Monday) at around 4pm local, next to the Moon. This happens rarely, if someone can get a photo of it then that would be great. Good luck to anybody looking for it. Here's a Link205.155.141.9 (talk) 15:52, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

decategorized three IC galaxies out of category:Elliptical galaxies. I've since fixed the problem, but looking at Elliptical galaxies, it is suspiciously empty of IC objects, except the ones I corrected. So I suspect a large vandalism problem. 70.24.244.198 (talk) 13:24, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I checked through Category:IC objects. There are very few elliptical galaxies in that list; the only real discrepancy I found was IC 1101, which says it is an elliptical galaxy but is categorized as lenticular. A handful of the galaxy articles were uncategorized. I didn't see any evidence of persistent vandalism, although I did see a lot of articles that likely won't satisfy WP:NASTRO. Regards, RJH (talk) 21:38, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

User:Armbrust article renaming requests
has requested that Hypergiant, Gas giant, Subgiant and Bright giant all be renamed, see their respective talk pages talk:Hypergiant, talk:Gas giant, talk:Subgiant and talk:Bright giant.

Note that Armbrust has recently been blocked for editwarring. 70.24.244.198 (talk) 04:02, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Western constellations?
Apparently there are Category:Western constellations. I thought Western constellations might be those defined by the Western civilizations, but apparently not as there are also Category:Eastern constellations containing those defined in the West. There is no definition for these lists on the category pages. West of what, I'm not sure. Maybe "west" of some Right Ascension? Regards, RJH (talk) 01:31, 25 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I understand Category:Northern constellations and Category:Southern constellations as being Northern hemisphere and Southern hemisphere constellations, but I don't see Western and Eastern being like that... To me, "Western constellations" are constellations out of the Mesopotamian tradition (ie. Greek constellations, up through IAU constellations). But there are two other great traditional constellations systems that could be called "Eastern", the Chinese/East Asian and the Indian/South Asian ones. 65.92.180.131 (talk) 03:31, 25 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I'm thinking that I should go to WP:CfD and propose the Eastern and Western constellation categories for deletion as redundant, ambiguous, unclear, and/or possibly OR. That will result in either a clarification, repurposing, or removal of these categories. Any of these should be preferable to the current complete lack of clarity. Regards, RJH (talk) 14:30, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Please comment at Categories for discussion/Log/2012 March 26. Thank you. Regards, RJH (talk) 16:56, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The categories have been deleted. Regards, RJH (talk) 20:18, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Looks like the ancient Indian "constellations" are categorized in Category:Nakshatra. We're missing three articles from the list on the Nakshatra article, so I'll add those to the Astronomy requested articles list. I'm not sure about the supposed 28th constellation. Regards, RJH (talk) 20:18, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

some more CFD/article renaming
at Categories for discussion/Log/2012 March 22, the category for white dwarfs is requested to be renamed, but the discussion has evolved towards discussing the names of the articles and categories for all dwarf stars and giant stars. 70.24.244.198 (talk) 04:24, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure that all this category churn is particularly beneficial. As Voltaire put it, the best is the enemy of the good. Most of the category names are already good. Regards, RJH (talk) 02:47, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

HighBeam Research
FYI, there are apparently 1000 free 1-year accounts available to qualified Wikipedia editors, see HighBeam. As HighBeam sometimes comes up with astronomy articles, this may be useful. 70.24.244.198 (talk) 05:17, 4 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for pointing this out, anon. — Huntster (t @ c) 05:30, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Equatorial constellations
A number of sources use the term "Equatorial constellation", which I interpret as constellations that intersect the celestial equator but which a couple of sources define as those directly overhead between the tropics of Cancer and Capricorn. We don't have such a category, but we do have some constellations in Category:Northern constellations that cross over into the southern celestial hemisphere (E.g. Orion (constellation) and Pisces (constellation)). These cross-over constellations are not consistently categorized in Category:Southern constellations, so I think it would make some sense to set up an Category:Equatorial constellations category and migrate the appropriate articles there. That way we have a clear-cut division. Are there any concerns about this? Regards, RJH (talk) 19:58, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

WikiWomen's History Month follow-up
Hi everyone! I just wanted to follow up with your project and see if any article creations or improvements took place in regards to WikiWomen's History Month! If so, it'd be great if you could please post your article outcomes on the..you guessed it...WWHM outcome page! Thanks everyone for all your efforts! Sarah (talk) 20:51, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Priscilla Fairfield Bok was fully destubbed and is now probably close to GA-nom. Iridia (talk) 07:53, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

PR for outer space
The outer space article has been submitted for peer review at Peer review. Please take a look if you have an interest. Regards, RJH (talk) 21:34, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Karlis Kaufmanis
I've created a new article titled Karlis Kaufmanis, still pretty stubby. Work on it if you are so inspired. Michael Hardy (talk) 22:32, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

DOAx
someone found the Directory of Open Access 'x'  websites, which have a few astronomy and physics resources The DOAJ website seems to have a few astronomy and physics journals.
 * http://www.doabooks.org/doab?func=about&uiLanguage=en -- Directory of Open Access Books
 * http://www.doaj.org/doaj?func=loadTempl&templ=about&uiLanguage=en -- Directory of Open Access Journals

70.49.124.147 (talk) 07:52, 18 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately of the journals on that list only the IBVS is likely to be useful for Wikipedia articles. More importantly, most astronomy papers are available for free via arXiv or NASA ADS anyway. <b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 11:03, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Sun-Earth Day
I need help with a stubborn user who insists on inserting blatantly promotional text into Sun-Earth Day. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 22:03, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the notice. I added a problem template to the page and put a uw-advert1 warning on the editors talk page (per WP:WARNING). Regards, RJH (talk) 22:20, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Cool, and thank you guys for taking care of the article. Looks pretty good now. Troy seemed to have acted in good faith; what a pity that he didn't seem to get the difference between an encyclopedia and "awesome, a place where I can raise awareness for my cause". :-/ --Florian Blaschke (talk) 12:28, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I think Troy was just an WP:SPA. Regards, RJH (talk) 15:38, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Request for reassessment of Cultural impact of extraterrestrial contact
The article Cultural impact of extraterrestrial contact is currently rated as Start-class. However, as this diff shows, the article has been expanded greatly and has become far more comprehensive since the assessment was made. The page has, as part of this, been expanded by 7,568 bytes (a 75.4% increase), and its organization has become much clearer. Additionally, no more than seven new references have been added to the 15 previously there for a total of 22 references, even though this is a field where the amount of scientific literature is low and statements of mere generalities is high. In addition, there are more non-free references on the article's talk page which I have not been able to add yet, but with aid from this WikiProject may be incorporated into the article. On top of these facts, the article has zero tags.

Therefore, I think that it is high time the article is reassessed for quality. I also request the cooperation of this WikiProject in expanding the article so that it can be brought to greater heights.

Regards, Wer900 talkessay on the definition of consensus 16:53, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
 * It seems to be in decent shape, so I bumped it up to a 'B'. Hope that's okay. As I see it, the topic of cultural impact is still only indirectly related to astronomy, so I left the importance as 'bottom'. The lead is still on the short side. You could probably add a section about cultural impact as portrayed in media. Thanks. Regards, RJH (talk) 17:53, 22 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I haven't read the article in detail, but one thing that does puzzle me is why it spends an entire paragraph discussing a minor and very speculative article in QJRAS, which was a magazine for members, not a research journal (especially since this wasn't even referenced properly until I fixed it). <b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 22:29, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Articles for Redirect
Please review the list history at the top of WikiProject_Astronomy/Candidates_for_redirection_new. Does everything seem to be in order? I'll post it here:


 * Did Farmbrough store a list of the 363 asteroids that had a "reference" on the JPL Small-Body Database? -- Kheider (talk) 05:29, 21 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, I asked him that (see the corresponding discussion, below), but he didn't reply. Shall we ask him again?  Chrisrus (talk) 05:40, 21 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I would like to see the JPL removed list just so I better understand and follow the overall bot-process. -- Kheider (talk) 06:02, 21 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I'd love to help you but I don't know to much about bots. I did, however, provide the names of each person involved so that you can direct your questions accordingly.  Let me know if there's anything more I can/should do.  Chrisrus (talk) 06:14, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Rich says:
 * The JPL references were added to the articles for the minor planets they related to. These are the articles


 * 1) 10443 van der Pol
 * 2) 11027 Astaf'ev
 * 3) 11072 Hiraoka
 * 4) 11118 Modra
 * 5) 11496 Grass
 * 6) 11509 Thersilochos
 * 7) 11836 Eileen
 * 8) 11868 Kleinrichert
 * 9) 11978 Makotomasako
 * 10) 12016 Green
 * 11) 12071 Davykim
 * 12) 12238 Actor
 * 13) 1233 Kobresia
 * 14) 1242 Zambesia
 * 15) 1243 Pamela
 * 16) 1244 Deira
 * 17) 1249 Rutherfordia
 * 18) 1250 Galanthus
 * 19) 12527 Anneraugh
 * 20) 1255 Schilowa
 * 21) 1261 Legia
 * 22) 1267 Geertruida
 * 23) 1281 Jeanne
 * 24) 12845 Crick
 * 25) 12895 Balbastre
 * 26) 1291 Phryne
 * 27) 13014 Hasslacher
 * 28) 13154 Petermrva
 * 29) 13260 Sabadell
 * 30) 1328 Devota
 * 31) 1337 Gerarda
 * 32) 1340 Yvette
 * 33) 1346 Gotha
 * 34) 1347 Patria
 * 35) 13482 Igorfedorov
 * 36) 1349 Bechuana
 * 37) 13533 Junili
 * 38) 1354 Botha
 * 39) 1356 Nyanza
 * 40) 1364 Safara
 * 41) 1366 Piccolo
 * 42) 1368 Numidia
 * 43) 13732 Woodall
 * 44) 1378 Leonce
 * 45) 1379 Lomonosowa
 * 46) 13806 Darmstrong
 * 47) 1382 Gerti
 * 48) 1389 Onnie
 * 49) 13906 Shunda
 * 50) 1392 Pierre
 * 51) 13921 Sgarbini
 * 52) 1393 Sofala
 * 53) 1397 Umtata
 * 54) 13977 Frisch
 * 55) 1405 Sibelius
 * 56) 1409 Isko
 * 57) 14141 Demeautis
 * 58) 14164 Hennigar
 * 59) 1419 Danzig
 * 60) 1425 Tuorla
 * 61) 1426 Riviera
 * 62) 1429 Pemba
 * 63) 1430 Somalia
 * 64) 1431 Luanda
 * 65) 14335 Alexosipov
 * 66) 1434 Margot
 * 67) 14342 Iglika
 * 68) 1452 Hunnia
 * 69) 1460 Haltia
 * 70) 14643 Morata
 * 71) 14659 Gregoriana
 * 72) 1477 Bonsdorffia
 * 73) 14835 Holdridge
 * 74) 1496 Turku
 * 75) 1504 Lappeenranta
 * 76) 15107 Toepperwein
 * 77) 1522 Kokkola
 * 78) 1524 Joensuu
 * 79) 1532 Inari
 * 80) 1533 Saimaa
 * 81) 15350 Naganuma
 * 82) 15374 Teta
 * 83) 1540 Kevola
 * 84) 15415 Rika
 * 85) 1543 Bourgeois
 * 86) 1576 Fabiola
 * 87) 1585 Union
 * 88) 1609 Brenda
 * 89) 1611 Beyer
 * 90) 1628 Strobel
 * 91) 1644 Rafita
 * 92) 1646 Rosseland
 * 93) 1648 Shajna
 * 94) 1665 Gaby
 * 95) 1669 Dagmar
 * 96) 1672 Gezelle
 * 97) 1682 Karel
 * 98) 1688 Wilkens
 * 99) 17035 Velichko
 * 100) 1707 Chantal
 * 101) 17079 Lavrovsky
 * 102) 1709 Ukraina
 * 103) 1710 Gothard
 * 104) 1712 Angola
 * 105) 1718 Namibia
 * 106) 17198 Gorjup
 * 107) 1720 Niels
 * 108) 1722 Goffin
 * 109) 1731 Smuts
 * 110) 1735 ITA
 * 111) 1753 Mieke
 * 112) 1754 Cunningham
 * 113) 1757 Porvoo
 * 114) 1759 Kienle
 * 115) 17683 Kanagawa
 * 116) 1789 Dobrovolsky
 * 117) 1800 Aguilar
 * 118) 1801 Titicaca
 * 119) 1803 Zwicky
 * 120) 1804 Chebotarev
 * 121) 1805 Dirikis
 * 122) 1837 Osita
 * 123) 1842 Hynek
 * 124) 1873 Agenor
 * 125) 1877 Marsden
 * 126) 1879 Broederstroom
 * 127) 18874 Raoulbehrend
 * 128) 1897 Hind
 * 129) 1902 Shaposhnikov
 * 130) 1907 Rudneva
 * 131) 1928 Summa
 * 132) 1933 Tinchen
 * 133) 19379 Labrecque
 * 134) 1939 Loretta
 * 135) 1941 Wild
 * 136) 1946 Walraven
 * 137) 1956 Artek
 * 138) 1957 Angara
 * 139) 1960 Guisan
 * 140) 1961 Dufour
 * 141) 19763 Klimesh
 * 142) 1995 Hajek
 * 143) 19982 Barbaradoore
 * 144) 2003 Harding
 * 145) 2013 Tucapel
 * 146) 2017 Wesson
 * 147) 2049 Grietje
 * 148) 2054 Gawain
 * 149) 20571 Tiamorrison
 * 150) 2080 Jihlava
 * 151) 2084 Okayama
 * 152) 20898 Fountainhills
 * 153) 2091 Sampo
 * 154) 2109 Dhotel
 * 155) 2111 Tselina
 * 156) 2113 Ehrdni
 * 157) 2139 Makharadze
 * 158) 2140 Kemerovo
 * 159) 21436 Chaoyichi
 * 160) 2156 Kate
 * 161) 21609 Williamcaleb
 * 162) 21652 Vasishtha
 * 163) 21705 Subinmin
 * 164) 2175 Andrea Doria
 * 165) 2186 Keldysh
 * 166) 2187 La Silla
 * 167) 2197 Shanghai
 * 168) 22338 Janemojo
 * 169) 2253 Espinette
 * 170) 2259 Sofievka
 * 171) 22603 Davidoconnor
 * 172) 2274 Ehrsson
 * 173) 2276 Warck
 * 174) 22776 Matossian
 * 175) 2285 Ron Helin
 * 176) 2292 Seili
 * 177) 2293 Guernica
 * 178) 22988 Jimmyhom
 * 179) 2301 Whitford
 * 180) 2302 Florya
 * 181) 2304 Slavia
 * 182) 2323 Zverev
 * 183) 2338 Bokhan
 * 184) 2339 Anacreon
 * 185) 2364 Seillier
 * 186) 23712 Willpatrick
 * 187) 2381 Landi
 * 188) 2385 Mustel
 * 189) 2398 Jilin
 * 190) 24101 Cassini
 * 191) 2415 Ganesa
 * 192) 2416 Sharonov
 * 193) 2422 Perovskaya
 * 194) 2433 Sootiyo
 * 195) 2442 Corbett
 * 196) 2443 Tomeileen
 * 197) 24643 MacCready
 * 198) 2474 Ruby
 * 199) 2477 Biryukov
 * 200) 2480 Papanov
 * 201) 2483 Guinevere
 * 202) 2490 Bussolini
 * 203) 2523 Ryba
 * 204) 2524 Budovicium
 * 205) 2529 Rockwell Kent
 * 206) 2543 Machado
 * 207) 2545 Verbiest
 * 208) 2563 Boyarchuk
 * 209) 2572 Annschnell
 * 210) 2591 Dworetsky
 * 211) 2624 Samitchell
 * 212) 2637 Bobrovnikoff
 * 213) 2649 Oongaq
 * 214) 2669 Shostakovich
 * 215) 2687 Tortali
 * 216) 26879 Haines
 * 217) 2713 Luxembourg
 * 218) 2714 Matti
 * 219) 2760 Kacha
 * 220) 2774 Tenojoki
 * 221) 2779 Mary
 * 222) 2783 Chernyshevskij
 * 223) 2785 Sedov
 * 224) 2794 Kulik
 * 225) 2796 Kron
 * 226) 2832 Lada
 * 227) 2862 Vavilov
 * 228) 2880 Nihondaira
 * 229) 2893 Peiroos
 * 230) 2895 Memnon
 * 231) 2896 Preiss
 * 232) 2937 Gibbs
 * 233) 2939 Coconino
 * 234) 2942 Cordie
 * 235) 2943 Heinrich
 * 236) 2945 Zanstra
 * 237) 2960 Ohtaki
 * 238) 2981 Chagall
 * 239) 2991 Bilbo
 * 240) 2993 Wendy
 * 241) 2995 Taratuta
 * 242) 3005 Pervictoralex
 * 243) 3025 Higson
 * 244) 3052 Herzen
 * 245) 3068 Khanina
 * 246) 3076 Garber
 * 247) 3080 Moisseiev
 * 248) 3099 Hergenrother
 * 249) 3101 Goldberger
 * 250) 3109 Machin
 * 251) 3111 Misuzu
 * 252) 3116 Goodricke
 * 253) 3133 Sendai
 * 254) 3134 Kostinsky
 * 255) 3141 Buchar
 * 256) 3176 Paolicchi
 * 257) 3178 Yoshitsune
 * 258) 3186 Manuilova
 * 259) 31956 Wald
 * 260) 3212 Agricola
 * 261) 3247 Di Martino
 * 262) 3267 Glo
 * 263) 3268 De Sanctis
 * 264) 3284 Niebuhr
 * 265) 3290 Azabu
 * 266) 3300 McGlasson
 * 267) 3332 Raksha
 * 268) 3370 Kohsai
 * 269) 3402 Wisdom
 * 270) 3403 Tammy
 * 271) 3444 Stepanian
 * 272) 3485 Barucci
 * 273) 35062 Sakuranosyou
 * 274) 3514 Hooke
 * 275) 3525 Paul
 * 276) 3557 Sokolsky
 * 277) 3590 Holst
 * 278) 3597 Kakkuri
 * 279) 3617 Eicher
 * 280) 3631 Sigyn
 * 281) 3637 O'Meara
 * 282) 3638 Davis
 * 283) 3651 Friedman
 * 284) 3657 Ermolova
 * 285) 3675 Kemstach
 * 286) 3685 Derdenye
 * 287) 3724 Annenskij
 * 288) 3725 Valsecchi
 * 289) 3729 Yangzhou
 * 290) 3731 Hancock
 * 291) 3761 Romanskaya
 * 292) 3785 Kitami
 * 293) 3790 Raywilson
 * 294) 3794 Sthenelos
 * 295) 3801 Thrasymedes
 * 296) 3807 Pagels
 * 297) 3811 Karma
 * 298) 3843 OISCA
 * 299) 3855 Pasasymphonia
 * 300) 3872 Akirafujii
 * 301) 3880 Kaiserman
 * 302) 3888 Hoyt
 * 303) 3906 Chao
 * 304) 3918 Brel
 * 305) 3923 Radzievskij
 * 306) 3924 Birch
 * 307) 3935 Toatenmongakkai
 * 308) 3936 Elst
 * 309) 3953 Perth
 * 310) 3960 Chaliubieju
 * 311) 3968 Koptelov
 * 312) 39741 Komm
 * 313) 3986 Rozhkovskij
 * 314) 4007 Euryalos
 * 315) 4008 Corbin
 * 316) 4045 Lowengrub
 * 317) 4057 Demophon
 * 318) 4085 Weir
 * 319) 4112 Hrabal
 * 320) 4162 SAF
 * 321) 4169 Celsius
 * 322) 4172 Rochefort
 * 323) 4174 Pikulia
 * 324) 4190 Kvasnica
 * 325) 4196 Shuya
 * 326) 4201 Orosz
 * 327) 4204 Barsig
 * 328) 4214 Veralynn
 * 329) 4224 Susa
 * 330) 4226 Damiaan
 * 331) 4255 Spacewatch
 * 332) 4263 Abashiri
 * 333) 4289 Biwako
 * 334) 4294 Horatius
 * 335) 4308 Magarach
 * 336) 4317 Garibaldi
 * 337) 4323 Hortulus
 * 338) 4423 Golden
 * 339) 4457 van Gogh
 * 340) 4467 Kaidanovskij
 * 341) 4498 Shinkoyama
 * 342) 4502 Elizabethann
 * 343) 4505 Okamura
 * 344) 4509 Gorbatskij
 * 345) 4703 Kagoshima
 * 346) 4712 Iwaizumi
 * 347) 4722 Agelaos
 * 348) 4741 Leskov
 * 349) 4754 Panthoos
 * 350) 4773 Hayakawa
 * 351) 4791 Iphidamas
 * 352) 4792 Lykaon
 * 353) 4806 Miho
 * 354) 4816 Connelly
 * 355) 4827 Dares
 * 356) 4828 Misenus
 * 357) 4832 Palinurus
 * 358) 4833 Meges
 * 359) 4836 Medon
 * 360) 4863 Yasutani
 * 361) 4867 Polites
 * 362) 4894 Ask
 * 363) 4946 Askalaphus

Let's not leave them here. Where should we put them? Chrisrus (talk) 02:47, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

How this list was created Phase I:
 * Started with Category:Minor planets and removed articles containing more text than "(title) is a (whatever) discovered by (person) on (date) at (place)".
 * Discussion preserved at Bot_requests/Archive_45
 * Work performed by User:Anomie
 * Tagged list with tags
 * Discussion preserved at Bot_requests/Archive_45
 * Work performed by User:Avicennasis with advice from User:GoingBatty
 * List at this phase preserved at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Anomie/Asteroid_list&oldid=475046287

Phase II:
 * Removed articles whose titles returned any cited papers on the Harvard Database.
 * Discussion preserved at Bot_requests/Archive_45 and User_talk:Chrisrus
 * Work performed by User:Tim1357
 * Two lists created:
 * Those with one or more citations preserved at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Tim1357/sandbox&oldid=479049914
 * Those with no citations at all preserved at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Tim1357/sandbox&oldid=479049798

Phase III
 * Starting with the second "Phase II" list, those with no citations at all (see above).
 * Removed articles whose titles returned any cited papers on the JPL Small-Body Database.
 * Discussion preserved at: Bot_requests/Archive_47
 * Work performed by User:Rich Farmbrough
 * This list is preserved below.

NOTE:
 * All work performed by WP:BOTREQ contributors
 * All work performed with an eye on WP:NASTRO.
 * Discussion taking place at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Astronomical objects.
 * Please do not alter any lists. Instead, swipe a copy and make a new list to edit.  Leave us a note about it here.

The actual list contains the above text and the list itself. Here it is again: WikiProject_Astronomy/Candidates_for_redirection_new Chrisrus (talk) 04:49, 21 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment I think we should rename these cleanup pages. WikiProject_Astronomy/Candidates_for_redirection_new would become WikiProject_Astronomy/Candidates_for_redirection/2 and WikiProject_Astronomy/Candidates_for_redirection would become WikiProject_Astronomy/Candidates_for_redirection/1, so that WikiProject_Astronomy/Candidates_for_redirection would become a list of activities. If another list is created, then it could be WikiProject_Astronomy/Candidates_for_redirection/3 instead of whatever inventive name is taken since "new" is already used. 70.49.124.147 (talk) 05:38, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, if you would like, it seems like a good idea. Please be sure to alter the list history accordingly. Chrisrus (talk) 05:45, 21 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment – To my eye it looks a little odd that the list only contains a single entry that begins with a 5–9. That makes me suspect a bug somewhere. Regards, RJH (talk) 15:47, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I see. Can we pinpoint it? Chrisrus (talk) 16:15, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Maybe stubmaker was going through list and was stopped before creating articles about minor planets that begins with a 5–9? Bulwersator (talk) 17:10, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
 * That could explain it. Can you find the same thing on Category:Minor planets?  If so, it'd be explained as the place the creation process was stopped.  Chrisrus (talk) 05:24, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Bug in phase I, for example 6715 Sheldonmarks was skipped Bulwersator (talk) 10:47, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I think it got past the bot because it had more than one discoverer. The bot wasn't told what exactly what kind of text over and above "(Minor planet) is a (whatever) that was discovered by (person) in (place) on (date)" would constitute enough information to pass WP:NASTRO, so it erred on the side of causion.  It didn't know that having two discovers didn't mean an article shouldn't be notablity-tagged.  It's ok, we don't have to get them all at once. We're taking baby steps here.  So even though the only extra information in that article was a second discoverer, it was set aside as one we could always come back to another day.  It's a good thing: we have plenty of articles right here which we know can't possibly pass WP:GNG or Nastro based on the content within them alone.  Ok?  It's not like later we can't look back at the ones we didn't tag.  Chrisrus (talk) 00:17, 24 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Question - In the big picture... Is all this concerning the ~10k articles created by ClueBot II in March of 2008? Sorry if I'm late to the party and covering old ground. —ArtifexMayhem (talk) 18:37, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Not entirely. Regards, RJH (talk) 21:03, 23 April 2012 (UTC)