Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Australia/Archive 2

Australian Pubs
There is an article called Australian Pubs which is not part of this project. I do not have the time to add it (i've g2g) - could someone else add it? talk to symode09's or Spread the love! 04:47, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

80s Rock Bands...
I made an article for The Venetians the toher day which someone has listed for deletion. Now there is scarce amount on the internet for a band which had a few moderate hits and achieved national airplay at the time..To me it easiliy meets criteria for notability but I don't have any sources handy. Anyone have any old 80s mags or an encyclopedia of rock?? cheers, Casliber | talk  |  contribs 22:58, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

PS: I made a stub for the Allniters too...cheers, Casliber | talk  |  contribs

Bilateral relations discussion
I would like to invite you all to participate in a discussion at this thread regarding bilateral relations between two countries. All articles related to foreign relations between countries are now under the scope of WikiProject Foreign relations, a newly created project. We hope that the discussion will result in a more clean and organized way of explaining such relationships. Thank you.  Ed  ï¿½Cï¿½mo estï¿½s? 18:56, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Qxz-ads
Hello, me and User: VirtualSteve were wondering if it would be a good idea if we placed an ad in qxz-ads. Please respond to me, not on this page. Thanks Harrison-HB4026 00:47, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Student union articles
By chance, I've run across some Australian student union articles, and there seems to be a large quantity of them which cover very local-interest groups, without any references or confirmation of notability. Can someone in this WikiProject please take a look, and see if there are some references available to justify these articles? If not, I recommend they be merged into a single list, or that the information simply be deleted. For a quick summary, see NUS. Thanks, Elonka 21:51, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * As a heads-up, I'm going to be going through some of the student organisation articles, and doing some cleanup which will probably involve nominating some of them for deletion. Please rest assured that I'm not intending to nominate all of them for deletion, but simply those that seem to provide no references or affirmation of notability per WP:CORP.  For example:  Students' Association of the University of Adelaide. I'm also thinking that some of these no-reference articles might be good to merge to a Wikia, such as at the Australia Wikia.  Anyway, FYI, --Elonka 21:04, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * How about you leave them to the Australian users who know whether they're notable or not, rather than relying on your suspicions of non-notability, or perhaps do some research yourself on the organisations? JRG 06:07, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Australia 21
Read the Australia 21 article it reads like propaganda using phrases like for our grand childrenSquall1991 10:17, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I haven't found where the word "grandchildren" comes from yet, but the article is basically a copyright violation. The introduction comes from the Australia 21 brochure. The section under "Activities" is lifted from http://australia21.org.au with the only differences being changing "us" and "we" to "it". The "four thematic programs" are also lifted word-for-word from the website, but I haven't found the sub points yet. Oh yeah, found them. They come from the website as well. Sarah 15:32, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I've deleted it as a copyvio. Sarah 01:24, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

non-nuclear households - Katoomba
In the article on Katoomba, there is mention of "non-nuclear households". What are they? Thanks! --203.10.224.60 23:24, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Households that do not contain nuclear families. --Steve (Stephen)talk 23:36, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Cats
I was browsing through the category tree and found a couple of curious cats. For example in Category:Underpopulated Australia categories: The Category:Indian Wikipedians contains a template for Indian Australians, but should it be in Category:Australian Wikipedians. I assume this is the place to comment. Please redirect me if it isn't. Fred 17:06, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Category:Australian astronauts I suppose this will sufficiently populated - eventually.
 * Category:School massacres in Australia Goodness! Delete please.
 * Category:Picken family The Amcor people
 * Category:Assassinated Australian politicians It has been requested that this category be populated. Wow, pretty harsh!
 * Category:Airports in the Cocos (Keeling) Islands Deleted as empty --Steve (Stephen)talk 04:49, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Jimbo in Sydney
Jimbo Wales is speaking at the Sydney Hilton Hotel this Thursday (26 April). Can anyone give me the details about bookings etc? --One Salient Oversight 08:28, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * See this website to register for the seminar (beware the $300 booking). See Meetup/Sydney for information about a more personal meeting.--cj | talk 09:04, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup of Category:Companies of Australia
As an FYI, I have decided to commence a major cleanup of articles that have been allocated to Category:Companies of Australia. I will be dealing with all articles categorised to the root level, stubbing, adding the companies infobox, and nominating for AfD where necessary. If you've got any questions, drop them here or on my talk page. Thewinchester (talk) 10:15, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikify?
These articles need a cleanup, but I have an issue with WP:COI. Could someone perhaps give them a look over? Recurring dreams 23:51, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * UNSW MedSoc
 * Adelaide Medical Students' Society
 * Thanks. Seems to have undergone speedy delete due to copyvio issues. Recurring dreams 05:07, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Category:Australian terrorists
Hi, I think there needs to be some discussion about whether this category is appropriate considering the subjectiveness of the subject matter. Thanks, WikiTownsvillian 03:26, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I've removed several articles from the category, as the subjects were still under trial or weren't charged or convicted, as per WP:BIO. I think your criticism stands and we need to consider whether the cat. should remain. And what about Category:Terrorism in Australia? Probably more legitimate, but perhaps we should consider that too. Recurring dreams 03:52, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I think Category:Terrorism in Australia is a much better category, because it removes the idea that we are classifying people as "terrorists", and instead only refers to actual acts of terrorism (which are much more easily defined). Still ambiguous, but not as much. ~  G1ggy!  SPEAK! 04:09, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree, surely any article which qualifies for Category:Australian terrorists could just go into the Category:Terrorism in Australia category. Does there need to be this subcat? WikiTownsvillian 04:13, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * No, there doesn't need to be a subcat IMO. Does anyone want to do the merge/delete? ~  G1ggy!  SPEAK! 04:33, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The terrorists cat is now empty, and can be speedied in 4 days if it stays empty. --Steve (Stephen)talk 04:44, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Now it's empty, there were two articles that had to be moved. It can now be speedied. ~  G1ggy!  ...chatterbox... 09:21, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Just to continue, in the Category:Terrorism in Australia page, there are some questionable inclusions. The Battle of Broken Hill (for which there are two pages, redirect needed), seems to have some OR; Henry James O'Farrell (assassination, not terrorism); Douglas Wood (Australian captured by "terrorists," (insurgents?), but not in Australia). Recurring dreams 05:05, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * <--- That's the issue with these type of categories, is that they become broad and contain both positive and negative entries about the topic. I recall a similar discussion around a racism category that contained both racists and anti-racists.  I don't have the answers though.  --Steve (Stephen)talk 05:17, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The result of the discussion on deletion of the Category:Terrorists by nationality was to keep it .here .I do not see any issue .Shyamsunder .17:43, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't see any mention of Australian terrorists in that CfD? --Steve (Stephen)talk 05:48, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The decision should be applying to all similar categories .If Category: American terrorists and 30 other similarly named categories are acceptable why Category: Australian terrorists is not --Shyamsunder .20:57, 30 April 2007 (UTC)


 * As I've said many times before in relation to other crime-based categories, it's fine to have categories like Category:Convicted Australian terrorists and so on, but this sort of naming is absolutely ridiculous. --bainer (talk) 06:05, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Bill O'Reilly (cricketer)
Hi. A small group of cricket WikiProject editors are aiming to take this article to FA. Contributions from this WikiProject greatly welcomed, especially pertaining to his journalism career. Also, if your banner could have an importance rating, that'd be good. Don't worry too much about a quality rating at this stage... we're hoping that'll soon sort itself out! :-) --Dweller 16:28, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * In the grand scheme of all things Australian, I've put him at low importance --Steve (Stephen)talk 02:53, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

New Project
Please note that Wikipedia WikiProject Northern Territory is about to be underway. SatuSuro 06:35, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Accessing that is not helped by the fact the shortcut they used (WP:NT) is already in use by Navigational templates. Have commented that out from the project page, and also added a more info spot to the top of Navigational templates. Thewinchester (talk) 07:50, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The link is of course to WikiProject Northern Territory just to help folks find it from here. --Bduke 08:54, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Shortcut of WP:NTA was also adopted. Orderinchaos 18:09, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Australian Arts & Literature
I can't seem to find any specifc Australian arts & literature focus here, which is a big omission. I am wondering what people think about setting the category up as a new WikiProject. I think that it is a large enough area to have it's own project, which could then be divided up into task forces for different categories, such as film, theatre, novels etc etc. I think this would make the the subject area more accessible and make the work load seem more manageable. What does everyone think? baby_ifritah 00:06, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Now looking through all the categories i think all this is possibly too big for one wikiproject, and it might be better to divide them up into separate projects such as Australian film, visual arts, literature etc all of which would have subject parentage, as well as the geographic parentage. My specific area of interest is literature, so the actual project i would like to start up would be WikiProject Australian literature with taskforces such as:

Australian Poetry (+ parent WP Poetry)

Australian Novels (+ parent WP Novels)

Australian Writers (+ parent WP Biography + sister Writers & critics work group

I'm going to start working up a proposal for the WikiProject Council but thoughts on the idea welcome, and if anyone else is interested in working on it please let me know, either here or at my talk page. baby_ifritah 02:02, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

If you look very carefully -to see how projects can be created - WikiProject Northern Territory started this week - Considering the labour of love of a very few editors to sustain Oz lit in the last year or so - I would recommend against taskforces and just one project is enough really - too ambitious and you wont get any help - theres limited as there is - scale down the ambitions and the projecct is more likely to survive - just my fifty cents. SatuSuro 02:09, 5 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I have put up a project proposal here. Please go and register your support, or add your comments.  Thanks, baby_ifritah 15:11, 5 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Please note that WikiProject Australian literature is now up and running -WP:ALIT for shot anybody who might be interested in helping in any way with this project - please sign up and help! (amended) SatuSuro 23:45, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

External territories enthusiasts please note
There is now an WikiProject Antarctica up and running - and this will indeed have overlap with Australian bases and territories SatuSuro 23:45, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Australian Arts & Literature
I can't seem to find any specifc Australian arts & literature focus here, which is a big omission. I am wondering what people think about setting the category up as a new WikiProject. I think that it is a large enough area to have it's own project, which could then be divided up into task forces for different categories, such as film, theatre, novels etc etc. I think this would make the the subject area more accessible and make the work load seem more manageable. What does everyone think? baby_ifritah 00:06, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Now looking through all the categories i think all this is possibly too big for one wikiproject, and it might be better to divide them up into separate projects such as Australian film, visual arts, literature etc all of which would have subject parentage, as well as the geographic parentage. My specific area of interest is literature, so the actual project i would like to start up would be WikiProject Australian literature with taskforces such as:

Australian Poetry (+ parent WP Poetry)

Australian Novels (+ parent WP Novels)

Australian Writers (+ parent WP Biography + sister Writers & critics work group

I'm going to start working up a proposal for the WikiProject Council but thoughts on the idea welcome, and if anyone else is interested in working on it please let me know, either here or at my talk page. baby_ifritah 02:02, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

If you look very carefully -to see how projects can be created - WikiProject Northern Territory started this week - Considering the labour of love of a very few editors to sustain Oz lit in the last year or so - I would recommend against taskforces and just one project is enough really - too ambitious and you wont get any help - theres limited as there is - scale down the ambitions and the projecct is more likely to survive - just my fifty cents. SatuSuro 02:09, 5 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I have put up a project proposal here. Please go and register your support, or add your comments.  Thanks, baby_ifritah 15:11, 5 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Please note that WikiProject Australian literature is now up and running -WP:ALIT for shot anybody who might be interested in helping in any way with this project - please sign up and help! (amended) SatuSuro 23:45, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

External territories enthusiasts please note
There is now an WikiProject Antarctica up and running - and this will indeed have overlap with Australian bases and territories SatuSuro 23:45, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Peer review
This project's peer review is deactive. Please do something about this or shut it down, otherwise you are mis-leading Wikipedians. SpecialWindler 06:52, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar
I'm thinking of making an Australian Barnstar. It is needed I think. I will try to come up with designs. Please state ideas and comments. Cheers. Chicken7 01:22, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * How about something similar to The Current Events Barnstar - the star, but with an Australian flag on it (instead of what seems to be a UN logo there). Since the Australian flag is a commons file, you're allowed to use it in a barnstar.  G1  gg  y  !  01:39, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I was thinking something like that aswell. I was also thinking some thing like the Indonesia Barnstar but with different colours and flag. Chicken7 01:42, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * If anyone is particularly skilful, I seven-pointed barnstar â alluding to the Commonwealth Star â would be nice.--cj | talk 01:50, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * That would be nice. I will have a go. Thanks for the excellent ideas. Keep them coming. Chicken7 01:57, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Problem. I made the barnstar on Microsoft Paint and it's turned into a BMP image. Wikipedia doesn't accept BMP. I've done it with the Bulleen Plaza logo before but I forgot how to transfer it. Any ideas. Chicken7 02:23, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

I got it. Thats a very rough copy. Im going to Put a australian flag in middle and southern cross maybe. Ideas? Chicken7 02:30, 20 May 2007 (UTC) OMG. There's no Com Star! I fix Chicken7 03:26, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I quite like the current draft. God I'm naive =P  Unless you want to improve the quality, I think it's ok.  G1  gg  y  !  23:22, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

You might try asking at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Awards for graphics help.--cj | talk 03:44, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I might do that CJ. Thanks. Chicken7 04:21, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * It seems there is already an image, at Image:BoNM_-_Australia.png. It has not been turned into a fully fledged barnstar yet, but I'm sure it wouldn't be to hard to do.  In fact, I'm going to be bold and do it now.  G1  gg  y  !  23:20, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Update has been created, and added to the infopage here.  G1  gg  y  !  23:27, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Not too shabby at all, well done. Thewinchester (talk) 00:00, 22 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Well Done G1ggy. No-one was ever going to reply on that award thing anyway so thanks.  Chicken - 7   11:15, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Organic semiconductors, an Australian invention?
Others got the credit and the 2000 Nobel prize. However, over a decade before, the first high conductivity organic polymers had been reported by an Australian group. In fact, the Noble winner's work was essentially a reprise of the Auzzies'. See Organic semiconductor.19:42, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Powderfinger?
Is Powderfinger really important enough to have its own sub-project? I know they're a good band, but.... Synique 03:14, 5 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Probably not. The combined total of articles within the Powderfinger category structure is a mere 35. This falls far short of our smallest active WikiProjects. The project also appears to be using the category tree referred to above as a media gallery, possibly violating fair usage. I've dropped a note to the projects talk page, pointing them here for discussion. -- Longhair\talk 03:45, 5 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Also see Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Council -- Longhair\talk 03:50, 5 June 2007 (UTC)


 * It's been suggested by numerous editors that it be upmerged into a WikiProject Australian music. That suggestion has merit, I think, so maybe we put more consideration into it.--cj | talk 03:53, 5 June 2007 (UTC)


 * You're welcome to also create an Australian Music project; it would have my full support. However, since the council was happy with it, and haven't taken any action on it, I don't think action in closing this project should be taken (unless, as said by the project, it flops...which is not something new for wikiprojects).  G1  gg  y  !  Review me! 04:14, 5 June 2007 (UTC)


 * It's not about closing the project, but rather re-establishing it (as a taskforce, say) in a context and structure (Australian music) that is more useful to the encyclopÃ¦dia.--cj | talk 05:28, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * How would it be more useful to the encyclopedia in a different context, when it is, in essence, the exact same thing? G1  gg  y  !  Review me! 03:41, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Because it's a more streamlined effort; less time is spent on meta maintenance, and more on improving articles.--cj | talk 03:57, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Coordinates & Microformat
Infobox Australian Place now has a coordinates parameter and emits an hCard microformat. See also microformats on Wikipedia. Andy Mabbett 18:23, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia ad banner
Grrrr! It is horrible. No thanks. We do not need flashing ads on our talk pages. --Bduke 23:42, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * In all honesty, no one is making you put it there. I'm not displaying it, you don't have to either.  -  G  1  ggy  Talk/Contribs 07:13, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I know that. I was just expressing an opinion and I hope I do not come across it too often. --Bduke 12:06, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Sandbox
I noticed this Sandbox User:ACBest/TempSandbox appearing in all of the Australian Projects, should this be really placed this way, as its showing up in all the Categories ? Boylo 02:35, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * That is odd. I think it should be removed from the categories.  This can be done by adding |categories=no to each of the templates.  G  1  ggy  Talk/Contribs 02:49, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Seems he does templates for WikiProjects User:ACBest/Sandbox, but the admins really need to decide if editors should be allowed to do this, as its sure messes up the Categories with incorrect links. If everyone done this it would create havoc in the end and could become a form of vandalism to Project Categories. Thats why i mentioned it here. Boylo 02:15, 19 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I've done the same myself while fiddling with the WP Australia template. This particular page has been active now for 5 days. Leaving it as is only populates useful categories with unwanted junk.


 * As the template hasn't had any custom changes made to it in the users sandbox, it's something he can easily recreate if needed again. I'll delete the offending page and leave an explanation at their talk page as to why. -- Longhair\talk 06:11, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Peer review of Attack on Sydney Harbour
I've just started a peer review for the Attack on Sydney Harbour article, at WikiProject Military history/Peer review/Attack on Sydney Harbour. As this falls under the grounds of WikiProject Australia, I'm requesting that members of this group come forward and find the flaws in the article before it makes a run for A-class review, and hopefully Featured article candidates. -- saberwyn 06:30, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Tax Return (Australia)
I found it's incorrectly stating that taxpayer with taxable income MUST lodge tax return.

Actually, NOT everyone has taxable income need to lodge a tax return. Say, here you can find the reasons for an individual to lodge an income tax return.

But I'm sorry that I'm not good at editing, so I guess I'd better just leave the message here.--Sleepy69 12:07, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

List of introduced fish in Australia
Hello. Would anybody in this WP be willing to help writing a lead section for this list? Thanks! A bbo tt 7 5 ☺ 01:00, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Het Abbott, if you write up a framework that basically describes the page (even if it's just in point form), I'll write it out. I don't know much about the topic under the surface, but am happy to write a lead that at least represents the page. -- linca linca  07:50, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Australian Defence Force nominated for FA status
I have self-nominated Australian Defence Force for consideration as a Featured Article. Please go to Featured article candidates/Australian Defence Force if you'd like to vote or comment. --Nick Dowling 08:27, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Heads up - Crowded House
Hey guys. I've just set up a new wikiproject for Crowded House.

Feel free to join if you feel you can contribute! -- linca linca  07:47, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Reassessment of the James Squire page.
The James Squire page has been extensively reworked over the last two months. Can someone from WikiProject Australia, reassess its rating please? I will greatly accept input on the Talk:James_Squire page if there is any glaring errors or things that can be improved, to increase its rating even more. Macr237 23:18, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Lungkata
Can someone please create a page on Lungkata? I would if I could find reliable sources - it is an Aboriginal God from what I gather.Zigzig20s 23:12, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

mullock
Can anyone please create a page on mullock, ideally with a picture?Zigzig20s 19:51, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It's a great word, but only a dictionary definition. Try Wiktionary. Totnesmartin 11:11, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I have, and well I've seen pictures on google. Maybe just redirect to opal-mining? (Come to that, there doesn't seem to be an article on opal-mining, only one on opals...Zigzig20s 21:08, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Additionally, you may want to explain what potch is...it redirects to opal, which is fine, but is it explained in the article? (I'm taking those words from Oyster which I read a few days ago, and for which I created the page.)Zigzig20s 22:08, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * This simply defines Potch as "to push" or "to thrust" with no other details, but has "buy opals" adverts around it. It's starting to look like there should be an article about Opal mining in Australia which rounds up these terms, and adds in social history, economics and criticism of this industry. Totnesmartin 22:23, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I concur. BTW I've created this (from what I could gather from the novel). I still think an article on opal-mining would be good - apparently it is an important side to Australian culture.Zigzig20s 22:42, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Wallabies jersey
I was wondering if anyone could get a photo of a wallabies rugby jersey. Maybe someone here owns one and could take a picure? For example something like or. It's not vital to the Wallabies' article but would be a good addition to the strip section. - Shudde   talk  01:13, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * If I had $90+ lying around, I would :P Sorry.  Giggy  UCP 01:28, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * A$90? Ouch! You could just go into a shop and take a picture, or ask someone who's already got one. Totnesmartin 10:41, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah I live in NZ. Not so many of them around here! Was hoping a member of this Project would own one! - Shudde   talk  11:06, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Leslie J Schirato
This article needs to be looked at. It's written with a distinctly rosy light, almost like a PR piece. Can anyone help with some local knowledge to broaden the picture? Totnesmartin 10:45, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Location map Australia
I've just made a pushpin map for Australian locations. So if you give the co-ordinates, a location map will be generated, so separate static images for each location are not needed. For example: The parameters are probably not yet spot-on, so if you want to tweak them, go to Location map Australia. Once this is running properly, it could possibly be then used for the location infobox - or anything else for that matter. - 52 Pickup 17:58, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Photo request
I'd like to request a photo, but not sure what the deal is with the photography department. Anyway, if anyone is going to the Across the Great Divide Tour (or if you already have one), a GFDL photo of Powderfinger would be really helpful. Thanks, Giggy  UCP 01:46, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Donald Bradman FA drive - request for help
Hi. Two of the cricket WikiProject are leading a drive to get the Don to FA status. Help gratefully welcomed. We're both Poms, so some Aussie scrutiny would be particularly useful. Particularly, (re Popular culture section) I'm wondering if Bradman's name is popularly used by Aussies as a metaphor for excellence. If anyone has any RS for this, examples of prominent Aussies using it in this way, please do drop a line at the article talk page. Thanks. Whinging Dweller 15:20, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

WT:AUS created
Just so everyone knows, I just created WT:AUS, which is a shortcut to this page. Giggy Talk 09:14, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Attack on Sydney Harbour FAC
Attack on Sydney Harbour is currently up for Featured Article Candidature. I would appreciate it if members of WikiProject Australia could come forward and make their thoughts known in this discussion. -- saberwyn 01:24, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Database dumps now available on BP Files
Great news for editors who want a local copy of the wiki database, but have problems downloading through Bigpond due to limited plans. Bigpond Files now have copies of the August dumps, and are an "Unmetered" download for Bigpond DSL and Cable customers. See Bigpond Files site for details. These August dumps are set to expire off BP Files early November.


 * Wikipedia EN Database Dump 2007-08-05 Pages-Articles
 * Current versions of the main article namespace - 2.9gig download


 * Wikipedia EN Database Dump 2007-08-07 Pages-Meta-Current
 * Current versions of the main article, talk, and user namespaces - 5.2gig download

Remember that the download size is compressed, and a greater hard drive footprint is reqired when unzipping. See WP:DUMP for more details on how to use the local database.

The files are popular too - over 100 combined downloads in the first 2 days! Would be great to hear what everyone is doing with their shiny new local copies. --Breno talk 04:32, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Northbridge, New South Wales
Some of the information in Northbridge, New South Wales looks less than the best to me. For instance, Amazon doesn't seem to have heard of William Berkman, despite him writing at least three books (and founding a church). Could a local cast an eye over the article? Mr Stephen 11:59, 12 August 2007 (UTC)


 * We can probably afford to lose the detailed description of the local Woolies. ;) FiggyBee 13:14, 12 August 2007 (UTC)


 * The Berkman stuff, at least, seems to be nonsense. The National Library hasn't heard of any of the supposed books either. Rebecca 23:51, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar
OK us guys over at Wikiproject Awards have caught up with everything and noticed Chicken7 requested an award for the project, and, here is what i came up with. And I would appreciate some feedback Chaza   9  3  16:33, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Template:The Australian Barnstar of National Merit - Already exists, but I'd be happy to change the image if consensus is for that. Giggy  Talk 00:12, 9 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Lol not much feedback Chaza   9  3  08:29, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

The flag is barely distinguishable. Not very useful for an Australian barnstar.--cj | talk 01:12, 12 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Placing the image within that circle in the centre is reminiscent of the RAAF roundel. Maybe something along those lines might make it clearer that it is an Australian award? - 52 Pickup 11:23, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikinews item on Susan Kiefel
A stub news item Kiefel appointed to High Court of Australia is being developed at Wikinews for publication on the day of her swearing in. Any contributions are welcome to get it to the standard required to be featured as a headline on the main page. Dbromage [Talk]  08:00, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Wrotham Park
I have split this article and disambiguated both locations. For the attraction in Queensland, see Wrotham Park Lodge. Simply south 17:02, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Sandgate Flyover article cleanup
Just a heads up, the article Sandgate Flyover that is identified as being under the purview of this WikiProject is in the need of some cleanup, so when you have time, please have a look. I'm being hindered by my lack of knowledge of Australia. Thanks for helping out, Cyde Weys  03:15, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikisource advertising
Would it be appropriate to promote the current Wikisource "Collaboration of the Week" James Cook on the Australia project/portal ? John Vandenberg 05:41, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes. I already left a message at WP:AWNB. Hesperian 05:53, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Parishes
There are around 16,000 civil parishes in Australia. I have started a draft project proposal for making articles for them if anyone is interested. --Astrokey 44 03:45, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Inquiries into child abuse of Indigenous Australian children
Something is needed on this, and especially the follow up
 * "Little Children are Sacred" (2007) Ampe Akelyernemane Meke Mekarle "Little Children are Sacred": Inquiry into the Protection of Aboriginal Children from Sexual Abuse (2007), Northern Territory
 * Gordon Inquiry (2002), Putting the Picture Together: Inquiry into Response by Government Agencies to Complaints of Family Violence and Child Abuse in Aboriginal Communities, Western Australia
 * Aboriginal Child Sexual Assault Taskforce Breaking the Silence: Creating the Future. Addressing child sexual assault in Aboriginal communities in NSW New South Wales ISBN 0 7347 2874 3 (print) ISBN 0 7347 2875 1 (online)

Request for photos for 2007 Australian Equine influenza outbreak
Is anybody in Sydney or one of the other affected areas able to get photos of the quarantine zone signs? See for example photos in 2001 United Kingdom foot-and-mouth crisis and 2007 United Kingdom foot-and-mouth outbreak. Dbromage [Talk]  08:01, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Category:Australian engineers
What definition of engineer is being used for this category please? Does the category distinguish between a professional engineer and a mechanic for example? If not, should the category be changed to "Australian professional engineers", or is it accepted that "engineer"=="professional engineer"? The common definition of a professional engineer is someone who is eligible for membership of the The Institution of Engineers Australia. John Dalton 01:30, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Looking higher up the category tree is Category:Engineers which "categorises articles related to the occupation of engineer". Its parent category is Category:Engineering which gives the definition: "Engineering is the practical application of science. This is accomplished through knowledge, mathematics, and practical experience applied to the design of useful objects or processes. Professional practitioners of engineering are called engineers." --Melburnian 06:32, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Query on possible article
I'm about to make my first trip to Australia. I'll spend some time at the Reef Casino in Cairns. We have articles on the Star City Casino and the Crown Casino, which are certainly bigger and more important. Your opinions are solicited -- is the Reef Casino notable enough that I should try to start an article about it? JamesMLane t c 02:53, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * At a glance, I'd say no - it doesn't really seem to have any external sources that assert notability. But if you can find something, then go for it! Giggy  Talk 03:52, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Looking at google news hits,, I think it would be possible, if only because of the financial machinations of Australia's rather concentrated gambling industry. Recurring dreams 07:32, 8 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Now back in the Northern Hemisphere, I can report that the Reef Casino is smaller, in physical size and in the size of the typical bet, than I'd expected. It's definitely nowhere near the level of Star City or Crown.  I'm therefore inclined to agree with Giggy that we don't need an article.  Recurring dreams's suggestion of an article about "the financial machinations" of the industry would be a good idea, but as a casual visitor, I don't feel qualified to take it on.  (Unrelated to Wikipedia: I had a great time Down Under, partly because the Aussies I met were so uniformly friendly and helpful.  Good on ya, mates!) JamesMLane t c 08:59, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Articles nominated for deletion (AFD and PROD)

 * 23 August Brendan Hitchens, Don Reddin --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 21:44, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 24 August ANZ Investment Bank, Ben Shields --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 21:14, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 27 August Articles for deletion/Packed to the Rafters ( AFD initiated by User:Remy B; "an Australian comedy/drama series to screen on the Seven Network in 2008." )
 * We already have a section on WP:AWNB devoted to listing deletion debates. We needn't duplicate that here.--cj | talk 13:58, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I've updated User:Ceyockey/Notifying WikiProjects of Deletion Proposals accordingly. --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 12:03, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Scrub Monkey
Please have a look at the article Scrub Monkey. Is it a hoax, or is there actually some Australian legend about the "Scrub Monkey"? I checked every resource available to me but could not find any relevant information. The fact that a few of the contributors to the article are known vandals makes me even more suspicious that this is a hoax. I am thinking of prodding this; thought of dropping a note here before I do that. utcursch | talk 06:17, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Definitely a load of rubbish, IMO. FiggyBee 09:24, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Dealing with Proposed Deletions (WP:PROD)
Initially I had added a Proposed Deletions section to WikiProject Deletion sorting/Australia. This addition was removed by Thewinchester with the edit summary:
 * (→Deletion nominations via WP:PROD - rem unnecessary section, also is messing with Christ G Bot that updates the deletions lists on WP:AWNB)

After this, I went to this page to add WP:PROD notifications. As you can see above, I was subsequently told that I should take these to WP:AWNB. I went to that page and looked at the code and noted that every section is bot-filled ... and that a primary source of material for the bot is WikiProject Deletion sorting/Australia, the page I started at and I was told not to add information to. There are two related questions here: Thank you for the input. --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 00:49, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) Are you interested in knowing about articles that have been proposed for deletion via the WP:PROD workstream?
 * 2) If you are, where should such notifications - or what notification collection method - would fit best into this WikiProject's business-as-usual?
 * If it can be integrated into the present bot-maintained system or, at least, operate along side it, then I'm supportive of it. If not, then I don't know that it's worth the trouble. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CJ (talk • contribs) 11:42, 1 September 2007 (UTC)


 * The code for the bot is on User:Chris G Bot so we should be able to work out the problem. Has anyone contacted User:Chris G?


 * In the meantime, Image:Gregpage.jpg has been prod'ed. Anyone familiar with how this could be retained or replaced ? John Vandenberg 01:37, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Education in Australia
WikiProject Education in Australia is finally here, and i was wondering if I can get it listed on the side bar along with all the other daughter projects of WP:AUS? Cheers. Twenty Years 13:46, 9 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Added. The sidebar isn't protected btw, though it may not be clear how it's edited. Down the very bottom is an edit link... -- Longhair\talk 00:43, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Rhee Taekwon-Do
I recently added Rhee Taekwon-Do to the "Organisations based in Australia" category. The article is currently under review for GA status, but has not been assessed for quality or importance in WikiProject Australia yet. Janggeom 16:46, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Passed on 12 September 2007 (reviewed by VanTucky). Janggeom 05:24, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Statistics
I've been bold and created a new department: WikiProject Australia/Statistics. As at the end of August, tagged Australia related artices represented 1.77% of the total project. This proportion continues to increase. &mdash;Moondyne 14:34, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Geobox
Hi, I'm no particularly involved with anything Australian, I'm just the major creator of the Geobox template, a template for all geography-related features. Among its many functions there's an automated locator dot placement based on coordinates - if there exists a calibrated map the template places a locator dot automaticaly. And that's how I got here, I'm creating these calibration templates for other countries and regions as well and somehow I stumbled upon Australia, so here you are here, I've tried one on Uluru. The Geobox template can be used for towns, cities, mountains, lakes … whatever you like.

The map shown at Uluru consists of two parts, a background map and an svg overlay (the states' and territories' boundaries). Of course, only the former could be used or the former with boundaries included in it. This system is useful for placing overlays of mountain ranges, national parks. See e.g. Greater Fatra and Veľká Fatra National Park which share the same backgound map but the overlays are different.

A couple of data that were scattered throughout the page can be included in the Geobox as well. E.g. the Geolinks template didn't do anything different to what's achived by the coordinates_type field in the template. Of course, should you not like the Geobox, get rid of it, this is just to let you know it exists. – Caroig (talk) 13:50, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Tidal Energy Pty Ltd
I would like to ask for assistance with an article about this company. At present it holds the world record for the most efficient water (tidal stream) renewble energy turbine. I beleive it deserves a mention. Is there someone out there who can help me up load information about this? I have authority and access to company information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.9.237.1 (talk) 00:15, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Vodafone Australia
I'd like to make a request for someone to start an article for Vodafone Australia. Surprisingly, no article currently exists for this company. Most Australia-related articles link to either the parent company, Vodafone (based in the UK), or simply link to a non-existant article. Most countries with their own "Vodafone" partner or subsidiary company have their own article (e.g., Vodafone New Zealand), with information relevant to that country. I didn't feel up to the job of creating the article myself, after having seen the articles for Telstra, Optus and Virgin Mobile Australia, so I decided to make a request here. Cheers. – Liveste 05:14, 1 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Okay, I had a go at creating the article. Right now it's a stub and it needs a LOT of work. I've listed it at WP:ACOTF (see article nomination), and would like to ask for support for a collaborative expansion effort on this article. Cheers. – Liveste 13:14, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Project tagging and assessments
Hello. Just wanted to give you a heads-up that as part of an assessment drive for WikiProject Ships, I recently tagged all of the RAN ship disambiguation pages with the WikiProject Ships, WPMILHIST, and WP Australia project banners. As per the instructions at WikiProject Australia/Assessment, I marked each of these pages as having both a class and importance of NA and also tagged each one for the maritime history and military task forces. Please let me know if you have any questions or issues. Thanks, Kralizec! (talk) 00:37, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Myer Directory
There was a large number of edits to this, so I brought it here. Is there any merit in this directory to Myers store, a couple are historical: List of Myer stores. – Cygnis insignis 15:38, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Dream Days at the Hotel Existence at FAC
The article is currently at FAC. All comments are welcome here. Thanks, &mdash; Dihydrogen Monoxide (H2O) 02:17, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Western Australia infoboxes help please
Hi, I hope someone can help me in the name of disambiguation link repair. There are a number of Western Australia articles which link to Wa, which is a disambiguation page, the links seem to be coming from infoboxes on the articles, and I don't know enough about how the templates work to fix the links! I think the problem is that the parameter "wa" is used for Western Australia. Is there anybody here who could fix them please? It would be very much appreciated. DuncanHill 13:01, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll have it looked into. I can immediately see *what* the problem is, but not where or why it is occurring, and it is a bug. Orderinchaos 03:54, 9 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks, very much appreciated :) DuncanHill 12:52, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * For some reason a hidden, non-visible link is being created to a lower-case version of the state abbreviation. I know where that is getting input (the field). Someone with a bit more skill than me in template maintenance will probably be able to find the issue. It's also creating links to nsw. Orderinchaos 13:01, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

WP:FFA
We have Brolga, Caulfield Grammar School, Cyclone Tracy, Gough Whitlam and Mark Latham at WP:FFA....kudos to anyone who resurrects one....cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:01, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Project bot work
A while back we discussed ways we can improve the project and template to make it easier to get things done. I've submitted a request for a bot to total the article counts within the maintenance categories we use here and to output the results to a table. I suspect the table would function similar to the many others in use in allowing us to track backlogs at a glance. The result for now is below...

Have I missed any important categories or has anything else been overlooked? Your input at this stage is most welcome. -- Longhair\talk 00:29, 15 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Subsidiary projects - could they be incorporated somehow - as to their status? SatuSuro 03:07, 15 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Australia please and sub cats for states maybe? Gnangarra 10:25, 15 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Both good ideas. I think we only require counts for unassessed articles for subprojects. The photo requests is something that I overlooked. Good one. - Longhair\talk 10:28, 15 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Category:Australia stubs || 803 gives a false sense of satisfaction while there are 26 subcategories of it, some of those with further subcats. Perhaps we need a separate stub counting table, with a link from the main table instead of the 803 (listing all the stub cats would overpower this summary). --Scott Davis Talk 23:41, 16 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I believe that sub categories need to be brought in as well somehow, if at all possible SatuSuro 23:51, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

How's this for an updated list? (assume 3 different tables to be used here). See User:Longhair/AUWPtable. -- Longhair\talk 23:40, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

It covers the concerns here - looks good! Hope it sails well/break a leg/ may all who sail etc SatuSuro 23:46, 17 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I updated the figures. I used the Category (recursive) feature of AWB for the stubs and removed all templates, categories and duplicates. Orderinchaos 16:24, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

These now appear to be working... and are being maintained by User:Erwin85Bot.


 * WikiProject Australia/BotStatistics/Maintenance (General project maintenance)
 * WikiProject Australia/BotStatistics/Projects (Unassessed WikiProject articles)
 * WikiProject Australia/BotStatistics/Places (Unassessed Australian places articles)
 * WikiProject Australia/BotStatistics/Sports (Unassessed Australian sports articles)
 * WikiProject Australia/BotStatistics/Photographs (Requested photographs)

or WikiProject Australia/BotStatistics for them all transcluded onto one page. There's currently a lag on response from the toolserver I'm told, so the bot isn't updating the tables as frequently as one would like, but that will hopefully improve. Still working on the stubs... -- Longhair\talk 01:06, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Assessment subpages
The Requests and Disputes sections are all but abandoned at the present time. No new requests have been lodged there for months, and similarly, those that have been lodged in 2007 have remained unattended to. What should we do regarding this? Given the amount of assessment going on, it doesn't seem to be a problem at all and definitely does not reflect a lack of attention to assessment, but maybe the current situation is a sign that we need to retire these pages so that newer users don't get confused. Orderinchaos 16:09, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Have to agree - at the moment their unloved status can only confuse newcomers. Perhaps re-direct the links in Template:WPAustralia Navigation to the noticeboard as well as tagging them {inactive}. Must have a look a the peer review one as that needs some work - Peripitus (Talk) 21:20, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * New requests are posted, if you look at the history you can see the activity which is several per month. However completed requests are removed, so it gives it that blank looking appearance.  Most of the requests are to get upgrades in the class, and also some want their importance changed! Graeme Bartlett 21:35, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Question about a copyright
Hello, Are pictures from political parties copyrighted? I'm thinking about uploading a picture from Liberal party of Australia to Rose Torossian and others if the copyright permits. I'm pretty sure they are, but you never know. --VartanM 03:05, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes the picture would be copyrighted and could not be used unless permission was granted, or the picture was suitably old as to be in the public domain - pre 1955 in Australia. Graeme Bartlett 21:37, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Brisbane Irish Rugby Football Club
Hello. I've come across the article Brisbane Irish Rugby Football Club while patrolling new articles for autobiographies (this was created by User:Brisbaneirish). The COI is not too much of a problem; however, it seems to me that the club itself may not be notable but I cannot judge. Would you guys take a look at look at it please? Thanks.
 * Have crossposted over to WikiProject Brisbane. Orderinchaos 22:47, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Category:Historians of Australia
Hello, I was just working on sorting & organizing Category:Historians by field of study, and discovered, to my great surprise, that there was no category for Historians of Australia. I then proceeded to search through the Australian categories, and found that you do have Category:Australian historians -- but that's merely their nationality, not an indication of what they write about. So I have gone ahead and created Category:Historians of Australia, with 3 parent categories.

I've tagged a couple of articles for people I happen to know, but rather than expending my own time going through each of the articles in Category:Australian historians to determine which of them also belong in Category:Historians of Australia, I will leave that in your hands, since in most cases I presume a glance at the name will be enough. And with that, I will take my leave of your fair land. Happy categorizing, mates! Cgingold 12:37, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Peer review inactive
I propose we delete the Australia Peer review department as inactive and refer anyone seeking a review to use the official peer review process instead. Comments? -- Longhair\talk 23:43, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed. The less bureaucracy to confuse new users, the better. Recurring dreams 13:19, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed, for reasons above. Orderinchaos 13:22, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I seem to have been the only reviewer for the past while, and have to agree. Articles there are just not getting a wide enough look. Will need an admin to fixup Template:WP Australia though I'd suggest leaving the old-peer-review bit to keep the archive links in place. - Peripitus (Talk) 11:37, 7 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Template adjusted. Peer reviews are now no longer supported however old reviews should still be functional. -- Longhair\talk 19:16, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Sources on a FAC
Hi, I am currently taking the Victoria Cross for Australia through the WP:FAC process. The FAC nomination has become bogged down due to a lack of information on the discussions that led to the award. I am hoping that someone here might have some information or a source? Thanks, and more comments would be welcome on the nomination page. Thanks again. Woodym555 18:43, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

dunnies
The edit history of Dunny suggests that it's of great interest to preteen contributors, surprise surprise. It ought to be on the watchlists of several people with a mental age of twelve or over.

Incidentally, even after it's stripped of blatant silliness, it's an awful mess. I'm a very long way from Australasia, but even I know that Australia and New Zealand are separate. The article seems rather confused about this matter. -- Hoary 00:28, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Ian Chappell
I have just nominated the article about former Australian cricket captain Ian Chappell for FA. I would appreciate any comments at FAC. Thanks! Phanto282 08:58, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Project level triple crown
Congratulations, Your Majesties. Whenever more of your members qualify, let me know. I'll add them to the roster and give them crowns also. You'll always have the distinction of being the first. Best regards, :) Durova Charge! 01:11, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Elwood College
This article seems to have been vandalized and then speedy deleted. I have restored it. It needs people to keep an eye on it and improve it. --Bduke 08:14, 2 December 2007 (UTC) A public school with 620 students...Is that notable?Zigzig20s 12:32, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Newsletter
A proposal to reintroduce a monthly newsletter to be delivered to selected members' talk pages is under discussion at WP:AWNB.  Spebi  07:08, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Notability of Rank Strangers question
(Reposted at WP:AWNB for wider audience)
 * Thanks - I was not sure where to post Ruhrfisch &gt;&lt;&gt; &deg; &deg; 00:50, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
 * No worries :) I think we're one of the very few places where the noticeboard is busier than the project talk page. Orderinchaos 02:12, 7 December 2007 (UTC)