Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Australian motorsport/Archive 1

Track template
i've created a template for the tracks used in V8 Supercar rounds, based on the F1 track template. Being rather new to this should I just add it to the project page for all to see or do I need some sort of approval Cheebung 18:53, 8 September 2006 (UTC)


 * check out the Sandown Raceway page to view the 1st attempt at the track template, note I havent uploaded a circuit image yet Cheebung 19:00, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

series name
Is the series (and our title article) V8 Supercar or V8 Supercars? This confusion has also led to us having both 2006 V8 Supercars season and 2006 V8 Supercar Season articles, which I've just proposed to be merged. --Scott Davis Talk 09:23, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Rick Kelly
I could use some help at the Rick Kelly article. It has taken a bit of a pounding from vandals since Phillip Island (as you can imagine!), but if we expand it a bit more to give both sides of the story, that should keep everybody happy. --Qarnos 08:15, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

V8 Supercars page
I think the name should be changed to either "V8 Supecars Australia", or just "V8 Supercars". Curently it is titled V8 Supercar, which to me talks about the actual car and not the series. I believe that the series is actually titled V8 Supercars Australia, and as the article seems to be about the series/category primarily (in the same way as Australian Football League, for example) I think the article should be named as such. To make things more confusing, the opening line of the page uses V8 Supercars, and I put the 'Australia' part on my new infobox on the left. I will not make any changes until we can get some consensus on this. Cheers, Seth Cohen 01:10, 17 December 2006 (UTC)


 * This is essentially the same issue I raised two sections above, with no response. The website is www.v8supercar.com.au (no 's'), and it appears that website uses the singular V8 Supercar in the names of its two series. V8 Supercars Australia (with an 's') is the name of the organisation formerly known as AVESCO that runs the series. I'm not sure if this helps, or just adds to the confusion. --Scott Davis Talk 13:19, 17 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah... kinda complicates the issue more. The artcile seems to talk about three things: the series, the body that runs the series, and the car itself. As I see it, all three things require different names! My personal preference would be to name it V8 Supercars Australia, and talk about the series and cars within that... much in the same way that AFL is under the Australian Football League and not Australian rules football. It just happens that the "league" (series) and "body" have the same name in this case.

Also, I thought I'd add a new section because I realised nobody had responded to your appeal earlier, and thought maybe it would get more notice with a new section. Cheers, Seth Cohen 13:34, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia Day Awards
Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 19:12, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

help needed rolling over template
Does anybody have experience with year/season templates? How do we roll over the V8 Supercar Teams from the 2006 season to 2007? My guess is that we subst: it into articles that will not get the 2007 version, before starting to change the template, and ensure the text of any articles where info changes contains the 2006 info. Am I on the right track? --Scott Davis Talk 11:44, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Categorisation of V8 Supercar templates
I've added: Consider whether you want to have dedicated V8 Supercar subcategories for the template categories (as there are for Formula One and NASCAR), i.e. Category:V8 Supercar templates, Category:V8 Supercar infoboxes and Category:V8 Supercar navigational boxes. (Perhaps there aren't enough V8 Supercar templates to warrant their own subcategories). DH85868993 09:53, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * template:V8 Supercar Team and template:V8 race report infobox to Category:Motor racing infoboxes (template:V8 Supercar Driver was already there) and
 * template:V8 Supercar Teams to Category:Motor racing navigational boxes

Child project of WikiProject Motorsport?
Any objections to me listing this WikiProject as a child WikiProject of WikiProject Motorsport? DH85868993 09:31, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Done. DH85868993 01:07, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Changes in Templates
Hi, I'm currently making some changes over on the WikiProject Motorsport Assessment Page. Look in the statistics section. Only 240 articles have the template WikiProject Motorsport on it. I'm thererfore going to propose something (I think this has been discussed a while back). Can every single Motorsport article have the template on it's talk page. My reasoning for this is that some drivers have only the Formula One template on the article. However, surely (by the way, this goes for virtually all articles), they haven't got to Formula One someway. They haven't just been thrown into F1, I don't think any drivers done that. They've gone through other forms of Motorsport. Therefore, surely the Wikipedia Motorsport template is needed for every single Motorsport article?. I'm going to do a vote on this (on this page, plus the Motorsport project and all the child projects) so we can get a decision on this. By the way, don't bother voting on different projects, as only one of your votes will count! Davnel03 16:53, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Agree


 * Disagree


 * Leave Comments Here

Standard width for driver infoboxes
There are numerous driver articles which contain multiple infoboxes, for the different series the driver has competed in. One issue is that the various driver infoboxes are different widths, which means that the infoboxes don't always "stack" neatly - contrast Olivier Gendebien (all infoboxes the same width) with Julian Bailey (different width infoboxes). The current infobox widths are:


 * 25 em: F1 driver, A1GP driver, V8 Supercar driver, WRC driver
 * 24 em: Former F1 driver, Former Champ Car driver, Former F3 driver
 * 22 em: BTCC driver, BTCC alumnus, DTM driver, Junior series driver, Pickup Truck driver, Infobox racing driver
 * 270px (which is very close to 24em): all the NASCAR driver infobox templates

I propose that we standardise the width of all driver infoboxes at 24em, to improve the visual appearance of articles containing multiple infoboxes. Please leave comments here. DH85868993 14:26, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Following broad support at WP:MOTOR, all motorsport people infoboxes have now been changed to a standard width of 24em. -- DH85868993 12:06, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Category:V8 Supercar tracks
I notice that User:Greg the White Falcon has recently added Category:V8 Supercar tracks to many/most of the current V8 Supercar circuit articles. Another approach (as used by WP:F1 for the Formula One circuits) would be to add the category into template:V8 Supercar tracks; then it doesn't need to be explicitly added into each circuit article. Of course, that means the category is only applied to articles which include the template, which would presumably only be the current circuits. So, if you want former circuits to be included in the category, then you'd need to add the category explicitly into those articles OR update the template to list former circuits (like template:Formula One circuits and template:Champ Car tracks do). Just a thought, anyway. DH85868993 02:40, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 * In the absence of any protest, I have implemented the above. -- DH85868993 06:03, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Change to template name?
I recommend that template:V8 race report infobox be renamed as template:V8 Supercar race report infobox (or even just template:V8 Supercar race report, i.e. without the word "infobox"), for consistency with template:V8 Supercar Team, template:V8 Supercar Teams and template:V8 Supercar Driver ? DH85868993 09:36, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * In the absence of any dissent, I've renamed template:V8 race report infobox to template:V8 Supercar race report. -- DH85868993 06:14, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Career Results Table
Just trialing a Career Results table for results where the individual race by race breakdown in use elsewhere might not be available. Trial version recently installed at Alan Gurr's page. Thoughts? Comments? Falcadore 13:56, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

urgent help needed with history!!!
hello, could anyone please help me find mor ei nformation about the history of australian motorsport (and most important - history of F1 in Australia)? I need it urgently for a home essay at university, searched the web but basically found nothing useful... Thanks in advance --Teemeah Gül Bahçesi  15:44, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Excellent resources include the FORIX website (paysite unfortunately), also try The Nostaglia Forum, one of the former AtlasF1 chat forums now owned by Autosport, refer the Autosport website, or if looking for something hardcover, Chevron produced a history of the AGP from 1928-1985 but that's been over 15 years out of print. If you have some questions, just drop me a line at my talk page if you like.

FalcadoreTalk 23:39, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * FORIX Formula One Results and Information eXplorer
 * The Nostalgia Forum
 * A thread on the Australian Grand Prix pre-1985
 * Sample search of the forum on AGP
 * Thanks a lot, it did help, I got a good mark ;) --Teemeah Gül Bahçesi  12:24, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

2007 V8 Supercar season
Hi. I have started an article on the 2007 V8 Supercar season based on the layout of the 2007 Formula One season. However I'm not sure whether to include a Results and Standing section like of the Formula One page due to the number of drivers that will drive in the season (60+ due to enduros). What does everyone think about this? --Birky21 05:18, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The 2004 and 2006 seasons have used points accumulated rather than round position for their charts (I just added 2001 table to match), just wondering about uniformity there.Falcadore 11:44, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Go for it. If I update the table in the future I will just follow whatever format is been used. Birky21 11:47, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Category:Former V8 Supercar tracks
I notice the recent creation of Category:Former V8 Supercar tracks as a subcategory of Category:V8 Supercar tracks. Something this project may wish to consider is that the "tracks" categories of several other series (e.g. Category:Champ Car race tracks, Category:Formula One circuits and Category:NASCAR tracks) don't distinguish between current and former tracks, i.e. both current and former tracks are included in the same category. DH85868993 08:27, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

When did V8 Supercars start?
I'm confused! The infobox in V8 Supercar says the series was founded in 1997. But template:Australian Touring Car Racing shows the V8 Supercar series starting in 1999. In addition, 2001 V8 Supercar championship claims to be the 6th runnning of the series (which would suggest the first one was in 1996); 2004 and 2005 both claim to be the 9th running (probably just a copy-and-paste error) and 2006 and 2007 both claim to be the 11th running (again, probably a copy-and-paste error). Can anyone clarify this? Thanks. DH85868993 02:53, 7 June 2007 (UTC) P.S. I've just noticed that the article about the 2001 season is called "2001 V8 Supercar championship" whereas all the others are called "200x V8 Supercar season" - I recommend changing 2001 to match the others. DH85868993 02:53, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Think I've had this discussion before... Need to take a broader view. V8Supercar was a marketting tag originally, brought in prior to the 1997 season as an all-in catchphrase, to supersede the myriad of names in existance, Touring Cars, Group A, V8s, V8 Touring Cars, etc... The series was called at the time, the Australian Touring Car Championship (I'll abbreviate it to ATCC), a title dating back to 1960. The category managers however wanted to rebirth the series, but leaving the technical regulations alone after the extensive re-launch in 1993 which banned all-bar the Holden Commodore and Ford Falcon apart from a 12 month grandfather clause for the E30 M3 BMW. The ATCC title continued in used until the series went through a restructure after the 1998 season, and the ATCC title was dropped and replaced with the Shell Championship Series in 1999 in order that anyone describing the series could only do it by mentioning the series sponsor. Shell however discontinued its sponsorship three years later and the title was replaced with V8Supercar Championship Series. The original ATCC trophy is still presented to the winner of the V8Supercar Championship Series. 1998 was the 39th Australian Touring Car Championship. The first V8Supercar Championship Series was 1999, this year is the ninth V8Supercar Championship Series, but as the title dates back to 1997 it is the eleventh V8Supercar season. The difference mainly reflects during the 1997 & 1998 seasons, the Touring car Championship did not include all of the rounds, whereas from 1999 onwards the stand alone events, most notable the Bathurst 1000, was included in the championship.
 * There isn't a simple answer to how to fix it within Wiki-language. While V8Supercar started as just marketting re-badge it has now become the accepted title and Australian Touring Car Championship has fallen into disuse, so much so someone tried to steal it for their own series a few years ago. Not precisely sure how to suggest to fix it. V8Supercar season would cover each season from 1999 ownwards, and with difficulty from 1997. V8Supercar themselves claim back to 1993 the year of the V8 regulation change. Australian Touring Car Championship would cover 1960 to 1996.
 * Does this help? --Falcadore 07:39, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Additional note - there is no space between V8 and Supercar, it's V8Supercar and always has been. Every Wiki reference I've come across suggests a space. --Falcadore 07:42, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * 2001 Championship has been moved to 2001 V8 Supercar season. --Falcadore 13:09, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * And I've updated the 2005 and 2007 season articles so that 2004-2005-2006-2007 now say 9th-10th-11th-12th season. DH85868993 08:29, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Championship Leaderboard
For V8 Supercars, We need to decide whether we want the point amounts for each roundon the leaderboard table eg. 2006 season or whether it should just show their position for the round eg. 2007 V8 Supercar season. Personally, I prefer the 2007 version, because it looks far more structured Shaizakopf 22:44, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * It's easy for F1 to make it looks structured because the points are the same each race you go to, and have changed little in almost 60 years of competition. The ATCC has changed if not every year, then on average, every second year. And sometimes complete philosophical changes. I've you'd won a round by blitzing all three races then it's worthy quite a bit more than if you stumbled into the round win on consistency with a sixth, fourth and second while everyone else had problems. Additionally some years points earned and round position do not co-relate, for example have a look at the newly added 1981 Australian Touring Car Championship series. Colin Bond picked up 9 points in every round he contested, essentially third for the 'round' of all seven races, and yet, his finishing position was never higher than sixth. It is not as simple as saying 'This looks better". The real question is: What do we want the table to reflect, points or race position? Some years it will do both quite happily, some we will have to choose one or the other. --Falcadore 03:21, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Race format
I recently created a page for the 2006 Bathurst 1000, basing it on the race page format recommended by User:The359 as used in the sports car WikiProject. I belatedly noticed, or forgot it existed previously, that this Wikiproject already had a format for V8Supercar races, although it has to date only been used once. Is there a preference? --Falcadore 05:10, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Elfin car photos
I don't think this manufacturer is competing with it's current cars but I'm hopeful someone out there is going to the one of the Motor Shows around Australia and can take some photos of either the Clubman or Streamliner (including the 50th Anniversary edition) as there are no free use ones (as far as I can tell). Also historic photos for the Elfin car page would be great and creation of articles for the historic Elfin models if anybody is keen and there are no other priorities. thanks - Ctbolt 01:48, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I should have some photos of these that I can help out with. Elfin was the feature marque at the 2006 Easter Historics at Mallala and there was a good entry of historic Elfin racing cars, and the new Clubman and Streamliners were the course cars. When I find these photos, I'll put them up on wiki commons, and post a note here. MagicFlute1983 14:09, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

The Requests
Hello, I will be able to create some requested pages, such as Formula 3, V8 Utes, and maybe Adam Macrow. I can not do it right know, but I will make an effort to do it ASAP.

User:Muitint78   www.57racer.page.tl 02:32, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

I can help you out with editing on that. Know a fair bit about all 3. user:NigelPorter. 4 Sept 07.

Collaboration of the Month
I'm looking to set up a collaboration of the month page within this Wikiproject as a response to the inactive rating recently placed on the project and I'm looking to see if any other editors or contributors would be interested in contributing to such a concept, or whether I'd be wasting my time. --Falcadore 00:58, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I suspect that it's over the top to do it for just this project - better to nominate an article now and then to the Australian collaboration of the fortnight. The Australian television article was nominated by members of WikiProject Australian television and got quite a lot of work. I don't know how much was from regular contributors to that project. ACOTF is not overrun by nominations, so there's no outstanding need for finer grained collaborations. I note the person who stuck the "inactive" template here got a lot of flack from a number of projects. --Scott Davis Talk 05:57, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * In that case, on roughly the anniversary of his death, I've nominated the lamentably written Peter Brock article for Australian collaboration of the fortnight. I hope the Wikiproject gets behind the idea. --Falcadore 03:44, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Geelong Karting Club
I was woundering if it would be okay for me to create an article/page about the Geelong Karting Club,Geelong Karting Club Website. I created this page once before but somebody deleted it for some reason.Muitint78 23:17, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm guessing it was deleted because it was probably considered too insignificant a subject to warrant an article. There are some guidelines as to what is considered imprtant enough for articles or not. Kart clubs, unless the have some special national significance I'd guess would be considered too small, but you would have to ask the editor concerned. --Falcadore 03:00, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I have create the article, I believe it fits into Wikipedia standeds. Geelong Karting ClubMuitint78 07:05, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Proposed deletion
FYI, I've proposed List of V8 Supercar Champions for deletion, on the basis that it's a less-developed version of the better-named article List of Australian Touring Car and V8 Supercar Champions. DH85868993 11:42, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Agree, it's a redundancy. --Falcadore 07:11, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Discussion of WikiProject Motorsport subproject reorganization and its changes to WP:AUSMOTOR
I'm bringing this up here due to the discussion currently going on at WP:MOTOR, which some in this project might not be aware of. I have brought up a proposal for the Project that would reorganize all subprojects under the WP:MOTOR umbrella to be based off of the form of motorsport, rather then specific series, like WP:WRC, or nationality, such as WP:AUSMOTOR. This is designed to prevent large amounts of overlap inbetween projects as well as to streamline projects to cover all popular forms of motorsport.

The current proposal would however greatly alter WP:AUSMOTOR. Due to this projects main area of expertise, V8 Supercars and its supporting series, being similar to WP:British Motorsport's concentration on the British Touring Car Championship, the concept is for the two to be merged into a new WP:Touring Car Racing, and joined by various other major touring car championships.

I realize WP:AUSMOTOR does infact go beyond V8 Supercars, and covers a wide spectrum of other areas of motorsport. However I believe these areas are also covered by other projects (such as WP:Sports Car Racing and the proposed WP:Formula Racing), and therefore could be moved to their care in order to standize series that use similar formulas.

This is by no means an attempt to shut down your project, nor is it even a plan. It is merely a discussion for all members of subprojects beneath WP:MOTOR, and we'd welcome an input, suggestions, or opinions you'd like to put forth on this proposal. Feel free to even make your own proposal. Thank you. The359 07:42, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Good and feature articles
As you'll notice from the front page of this project, while there is a growing magnitude of articles, there are very few Featured Articles or even Good Articles. Perhaps we can focus some attention and get some extra articles up to that standard? --Falcadore 11:07, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a good idea. Are you thinking of articles on championships & races; or biographical articles on drivers to focus on? Marcusaurelius161 12:13, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Both. Which ones are most achievable? Let's have some suggestions. --Falcadore 07:17, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Maybe biographical articles on retired drivers - where there is less likelihood of ongoing edit wars and vandalism. Perhaps articles like Allan Moffat, Colin Bond and Bob Morris. Not the Peter Brock article unfortunately. And away from biographies - the Bathurst 1000 might be the go, and perhaps the Holden Dealer Team. Marcusaurelius161 12:34, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Sponsor team names
Can I just say at this point, can we not ever again use a sponsor based team name for an article title? With Supercheap Auto, Autobarn and Toll all shifting sponsorships to new teams that's three teams requiring new team names. Already Supercheap Auto Racing has been shifted to Paul Weel Racing, but now Autobarn Racing needs a new name (provisionally it will be shifted to Rod Nash Racing which presently #REDIRECTS to Autobarn Racing), and of course Toll HSV Dealer Team has lost Toll. This is a situation that will come up again when Brad Jones Racing lose BOC as a sponsor.

Moving the pages is not that big a deal, but redirecting all the links will take a long while.

So can I ask that anyone creating a motorsport team article please find a generic name for the team please? Thank you. --Falcadore (talk) 02:37, 19 December 2007 (UTC)


 * In anticipation of future such changes, I'm moving to re-label a Brad Jones Racing as well. Any suggestions for a team name for Jack Daniel's Racing? --Falcadore (talk) 10:11, 21 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I'd suggest "Perkins Engineering". The results section of Larry's article suggests that was the "default" team name when the team was "between sponsors". Also, the Jack Daniel's Racing article itself starts off with "Jack Daniel's Racing (Also known as Perkins Engineering)...." DH85868993 (talk) 14:49, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

I just noticed this while looking through some related pages. A similar thing is currently being done with some stadiums as well (for example Telstra Stadium, which will become ANZ Stadium on Jan 1, has been moved to Stadium Australia) -- Chuq (talk) 03:26, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Co-ordinated efforts
Just wondering - are we as a group going to participate in any co-ordinated activities or just travel on doing our own thing? I have some ideas, but it's pointless unless there is support. --Falcadore (talk) 22:52, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Category:Motorsport in Australia
It seems to me that Category:Motorsport in Australia is getting a bit full. I propose the creation of the following subcategories: Thoughts? DH85868993 03:01, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Category:Australian Touring Car Championship
 * Category:Motorsport at Bathurst (i.e. rather than Category:Bathurst 1000, thereby enabling inclusion of the 500 mile, 6-hour, 12-hour and 24-hour races)
 * Category:Motorsport at Sandown (i.e. rather than Category:Sandown 500, for the same reason)


 * Good idea. Not sure if the purist will like it,as Bathurst can be muddied by 2,3,12 & 24 hour races and Sandown by their 6 hour. But I think a good idea. user:NigelPorter 4 Sept 07.
 * It's already muddied because of the amalgamation of the Bathurst 1000 (1960-1999) and the Bathurst Classic (1997-2006). --Falcadore 02:38, 4 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Cool, like it. --Falcadore 02:38, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I've created (and populated) the three subcategories described above and also Category:Australian Drivers' Championship and Category:Australian Manufacturers' Championship. DH85868993 15:23, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

is getting full again. I'm planning to create a subcategory for articles related to the Gold Cost Champcar race (Lexmark Indy 300, 2002 Honda Indy 300, 2003 Lexmark Indy 300, etc) but I'm not sure what to call it. The "obvious" name is but, as per the discussion below I think it's probably not a good idea to include the sponsor's name as part of the category name, and that a more "generic" name like  or  would be better. Thoughts? DH85868993 (talk) 07:30, 12 January 2008 (UTC)


 * The original generic name in use at the events inception was the Gold Coast Indy Car Grand Prix. Because the event was held in Australia it was able to hang on to the Indy portion of its name during the court ordered moratorium on the word 'Indy' and 'Indycar' at the height of the CART/IRL wars. --Falcadore (talk) 10:36, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Category: in Australian motorsport
For most recent years, there are at least 6 or 7 motorsport-related articles in each " in Australia" category (e.g. in Category:2007 in Australia, there are 10). I propose to move these articles from the " in Australia" category into a (new) " in Australian motorsport" subcategory, similar to the " in Australian rules football" and " in Australian football (soccer)" categories. Any objections/comments? DH85868993 (talk) 08:44, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Career results tables
copied in from Talk:Ian Geoghegan

If we start adding positions from individual races then those career results tables are going to blow out massively. Individual race results should be covered in the article I believe with only championship/series results in the tables. --Falcadore (talk) 23:03, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

2008 V8 Supercar season
With the new V8 season about to get underway, there are still a few outstanding members of the 2008 season without articles.

As per the published list at V8 Supercar's website, Here! we are still short of articles for Michael Caruso, Garth Walden, Ford Rising Stars Racing (also known as Decina Racing) and Walden Motorsport. Plus an article on Tony D'Alberto Racing racing would also be good as they have taken over the running of the RNR franchise on RNR's behalf, the task previously performed as the Autobarn team by Independent Racing Cars Australia. If Team Dynamik do re-appear after the court case then the article for them could be tackled afterwards, but Wikipedia should not attempt to pre-empt the case. The content increase during the off-season has been excellent. If anyone would like to volunteer to get these articles up and running by Clipsal, please jump in and say so, if nobody does, or cares, I'll try to add them myself. --Falcadore (talk) 03:17, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

New layout proposal for V8 Supercar Teams template
I'd like to propose a new layout for the V8 Supercar Teams template. The current one is a table. I'd like to change it to a Navbox and format it a bit differently so that the team names stand out from the driver names. I think that will improve its readability.

Here's what I have in mind.

I based this on Template:Formula_One_teams. What does everyone think? Fruv (talk) 04:14, 13 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Looks good. Complaint I have, and its not reflective of your work, is that Supercheap Auto Racing should be referred to as Paul Morris Motorsport as only Ingall's car will have significant SuperCheap signage with Morris' car remaining much as it was last year with BWS & Sirromet signage. --Falcadore (talk) 06:43, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah. The content of the table can be changed as required. I'm just thinking about the layout at the moment. I had a look at the Paul Morris web site and it refers to the team as SuperCheap Auto Racing. Maybe they have naming rights? Fruv (talk) 05:01, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
 * If you're looking for additional comment, I'd not wait further. One suggestion, PMM are running Supercheap on both cars, but now Brad Jones Racing aren't if BOC on one and WOW on the other, so maybe the more generic Brad Jones Racing needs to be used. --Falcadore (talk) 09:16, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. Fruv (talk) 22:45, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Pre-1973 Bathurst 1000 articles
I think it's inaccurate to refer to the pre-1973 "Bathurst 1000" races as the "19xx Bathurst 1000". Consider 1967 Gallaher 500. It starts like this:
 * {| style="margin: 0 0 1em 1em; float:right; text-align:center; width: 20em;" class="toccolours"


 * colspan="2" |
 * foo colspan="2" style="padding:0 1em;border-bottom:1px #aaa solid;" |1967 Bathurst 1000
 * Previous: 1966
 * Next: 1968
 * }
 * The 1967 Gallaher 500 was the eighth running of the Bathurst 1000 touring car race...
 * }
 * The 1967 Gallaher 500 was the eighth running of the Bathurst 1000 touring car race...

I think the text and succession box should be changed to:
 * {| style="margin: 0 0 1em 1em; float:right; text-align:center; width: 20em;" class="toccolours"


 * colspan="2" |
 * foo colspan="2" style="padding:0 1em;border-bottom:1px #aaa solid;" |1967 Gallaher 500
 * Previous: 1966
 * Next: 1968
 * }
 * The 1967 Gallaher 500 was the eighth running of the touring car race which would later become known as the Bathurst 1000...
 * }
 * The 1967 Gallaher 500 was the eighth running of the touring car race which would later become known as the Bathurst 1000...

Does anyone have any objections to me updating the pre-1973 race report articles and the Bathurst 1000 template accordingly? DH85868993 (talk) 13:28, 4 April 2008 (UTC)


 * No objections here. Fruv (talk) 00:00, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


 * OK. I've made the changes. For the races which were actually run at Bathurst, I simplified things a bit and just replaced "Bathurst 1000" with "Bathurst 500", e.g. I changed the lede of 1967 Gallaher 500 to read:
 * The 1967 Gallaher 500 was the eighth running of the Bathurst 500 touring car race
 * DH85868993 (talk) 11:37, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Motorsport Library
I've made a suggestion at WikiProject Motorsport for a list of hardcopy references and who holds them, to help with referencing articles. This was prompted by the realisation that I have access to quite a lot of material which I'm not currently using. Please comment here. Cheers. 4u1e 16:45, 9 May 2007 (UTC)


 * If anyone could list material for V8 Supercars I would be very interested. The V8 Supercars article is in need of references and I'm having trouble finding online references for their history. --Fruv (talk) 07:02, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Looking for Photos??
I have a large collection of quality V8 Supercar, Ute, Historic Racing and support category photos I have taken, that I am happy to make available via WikiCommons. If you are looking for something specific please let me know, and if I have something suitable, I'll upload it. - MagicFlute1983 13:04, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm looking for a photo of Mark Skaife. The one on the article is not very good. Also, I think the V8 Supercars article could use some photos of the cars. I was thinking of a pair of side-on shots. One of a Ford and another of a Holden. Do you have anything like that? --Fruv (talk) 04:23, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if I have a suitable photo of Mark outside of the car, but will have a look. I do have plenty of pics of the cars on track. I'll go through them over the next couple of days and put a couple up to Wiki Commons and link to them on their respective pages. MagicFlute1983 (talk) 15:20, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Problem with V8 Supercar Driver template
We seem to be having a problem with the V8 Supercar Driver template. If you look at the articles for Mark Skaife and Mark Winterbottom you'll see that some of the details are blank even though they're provided. Can anyone help with this? --Fruv (talk) 00:06, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * For starters - the template does not have a 'last season' line, or vehicle, or races, basically the additional information just isn't in the template. I've fixed some of it. Please check to confirm? --Falcadore (talk) 01:30, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks Falcadore. I had a feeling it was something like that but I'm not very familiar with the way templates work. I've checked those two driver articles and they seem OK now. --Fruv (talk) 06:14, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

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V8 Supercar season
It has come to light on Talk:2007 V8 Supercar season that the title of later V8 Supercar pages is misleading without any mention of the Fujitsu series as the title 'season' should encompass all V8 Supercar racing. However, as the 2008 should have priority I have complete a first pass test page HERE, as a method of summarising the V8 Supercar season, and move this page to a specific page 2008 V8 Supercar Championship Series, also creating links for the second tier Fujitsu and third tier Shannons series pages to be referenced.

Any comment? --Falcadore (talk) 20:40, 2 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree with the above comments about the scope of the "season" article and with the suggestion of renaming the current article as "2008 V8 Supercar Championship Series". Regarding your test page, I like the general structure, except perhaps the "Series" column of the "Race Calendar" table, which I found a little cryptic at first reading (Note that I understood it once I read the notes at the bottom of the table). Perhaps it would be better if the "Series" column was moved between the "Date" and "Winner" columns (i.e. so that you have all the columns which apply to the whole race meeting first, followed by all the columns which apply to the individual series rounds) and retitled as "Series/Round", or even just "Round". DH85868993 (talk) 05:42, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Like that? --Falcadore (talk) 08:01, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes. I still think I'd prefer "Round" as the column title, but I'm not especialy fussed. DH85868993 (talk) 09:19, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia 0.7 articles have been selected for Australian motorsport
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 * I must say just four articles, where the majority of the work has been performaed by other projects is pretty disappointing. Does anyone have any ideas?
 * What does spring to mind is we don't add importance tags when reviewing our articles. If in the talk page boxes for WP Australia that include the motorsport=yes tag, we should add another tag suggesting motorsport-importance= with an importance rating. Top, High, Mid and Low. Critera are here --Falcadore (talk) 03:44, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Gold Coast Street Circuit
In the to-do list, if the Gold Coast Street Circuit refers to the Surfers Paradise Street Circuit, it could be redirected to the Nikon Indy 300 page. - Kytabu (talk) 09:08, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * No it shouldn't. The street circuit and the race should be seperated into two articles. --Falcadore (talk) 19:42, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, is there already a page for the circuit or does it need to be created? -Kytabu (talk) 07:07, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

List of motorsport terminology
Per this discussion at Wikiproject Motorsport I recently created the page List of motorsport terminology. Designed primarily to combat jargon, feel free to drop by and add common motorsport terms (this is going to be a big list). Aptery gial  05:03, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

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Problems with 2009 season articles
Having quickly dashed through the collection of articles under 2009 in motorsport template, I have found the following articles do not mention who won the race/championship/title featured in the topic in the opening paragraph, or in the executive summary at the start of each of the articles.

The winner of these series or events is the most important detail of each as sporting events and they should all have this article included up top as a matter of logical writing for encylopedic content.

The list is:
 * 2009 Australian Drivers' Championship
 * 2009 Australian Manufacturers' Championship
 * 2009 Australian Mini Challenge
 * 2009 Australian Production Car Championship
 * 2009 New Zealand Grand Prix
 * 2008–09 New Zealand V8 season
 * 2008–09 Toyota Racing Series

--Falcadore (talk) 03:21, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Unreferenced BLPs
G'day all, There has been a focus on referencing all unreferenced Biographies of living people. The WP:Australia project has brought the number of unreferenced Australian related articles down from 1600 to under 500 in the last few months. Your project has about 20 articles left, but they include high profile articles like Whincup, Bright, Longhurst and Steven Johnson. See the full list here (automatically updated daily by DashBot) and the list below is as it stands now. Please help out and start referencing, as some people believe that if they aren't referenced, then they should be deleted. Cheers, The-Pope (talk) 15:52, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

The list

 * Barry Seton
 * Bill Pitt (racing driver)
 * Brad Jones (racing driver)
 * Dennis Firestone
 * Fred Gibson (motor racing)
 * George Reynolds (racing driver)
 * Jamie Whincup
 * Jason Bright
 * Kevin Bartlett (racing driver)
 * Mark McNally (racing driver)
 * Midge Bosworth
 * Rick Kelly
 * Rod Anderson
 * Steven Johnson (motor racing)
 * Tony Longhurst

Sports Notability
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Proposed project: Motor Vehicles
We need a new overarching project "Motor vehicles in Australia" as it is of high relevance to the whole the Australian population and is of high economic, safety and cultural significance. There is already a project for Australian motorsport which is of lower general relevance and ought be a subcategory of a Motor Vehicles project. (I am happy to use a better name if there is one.)

The economic significance comes as a result of cars reputedly being the second most significant item of expenditure after housing for individuals, the amount spent on running costs and repairs and on modifications and the increasing relevance of climate change and peak oil to the automobile industry.

The safety significance comes from the number of deaths, years of disability, medical expenses and "wasted" GDP caused by road accidents. All pedestrians, passengers and cyclists are potentially going to be affected by the safety characteristics of the cars in which they travel or which hit them (or don't hit them because of higher quality braking systems or better collision avoidance through stability or traction control).

The cultural significance comes from brand enthusiasts, motor sport, vintage car clubs, 4WD clubs, Motoring Associations, the care lavished on cars by many people, the aftermarket modification industry, the blokey mateship culture that often exists around activities based on cars whether it be modifying, tuning, showing, racing, rallying or trialing them. Many older Australians would have done car navigation trials.

An article that ought be included in such a project, perhaps in a sub-project,is The_Dog_%26_Lemon_Guide

Could someone help in setting up such a project and suggesting the structure for sub projects including the project for Australian motorsport? (I've learnt not to just rush in an try to set it up myself first) dinghy (talk) 01:33, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

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 * This is a substantial improvement over the 0.7 release so well done to Aus Motorsport edittors.
 * There are a few of these articles the need work, Peter Brock being the most obvious it's a bit of a mess (I'm frankly astonished by it's B quality rating). Webber I believe is fine. Australian Grand Prix is in good shape except for the history section pertaining to the Adelaide street circuit (1985-1995) part of the race's history. Some of the notable races could be trimmed down or altered to reflect some of the great pre-F1 races, Clark vs Amon at Sandown '68 springs to mind. The four F1 Grand Prix races can probably best be handled by the Formula 1 wiki-project. If we could give the rest of the articles on the list a quick once over? --Falcadore (talk) 23:12, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

AfD that may be of interest
Articles for deletion/James Horley has been nominated for deletion. The article describes an engineer. But the "what links here" goes to a guy of the sameish name who "invented incar telemetry" and competed in the 1980s Aust touring car championships. I can't find much online, can anyone confirm (with reliable sources) if it is the same guy, if he's notable for either the inventing or the driving. Cheers, The-Pope (talk) 15:22, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject cleanup listing
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Name/scope of project
Speaking of naming issues, would it be unreasonable to suggest that this project be broaded to something along the lines of WikiProject Australian motorsport?--cj | talk 19:52, 17 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I'd be happy with that. --Scott Davis Talk 12:13, 18 December 2006 (UTC)


 * OK, I've gone ahead with the move and made the necessary updates. You might like to make further changes to the project page.--cj | talk 21:23, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

If this Project is Australian Motorsport then the scope needs to be broadened to include Australian Speedway and needs to include such greats as Gary Rush and George Tatnell at least. So far, there is only a single Speedway entry for Grenville Anderson and entries for Speedway motorcycle riders such as Billy Sanders and Phil Crump - BR —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.179.66.41 (talk) 18:44, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Gold Coast Raceway
There is a request to establish this as an article. As no such facility exists, I'd like a clarification as to why this article has been requested.Falcadore 21:35, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * This facility *did* exist and was as much a part of the Australian Motorsport scene as tracks such as Amaroo and Oran Park which also no longer exist but have wikipedia entries. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.179.66.41 (talk) 19:11, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Was it a speedway? Or do you mean the slotcar track which would really srtruggle for notability. --Falcadore (talk) 01:53, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Or do you actually mean Surfers Paradise Raceway? --Falcadore (talk) 01:39, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

List of Australian motor racing series
Started working on replacing List of Australian motor racing series which is hard to update, with User:Falcadore/sandbox. Comments anyone? --Falcadore (talk) 01:46, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I prefer the new version. I don't think the next race/current points leader, etc information is necessary for a summary page like this (if people are really interested, they can always go to the invidual series pages) and, as you say, it's labour-intensive to update. Is there any reason the V8 Supercar seasons aren't linked? Also, consider whether "International V8 Supercars Championship" should be changed to "International V8 Supercars Championship / Australian Touring Car Championship", for consistency with the date range and the identification of Geoghegan and Johnson as 5-time winners (I recognise that "International V8 Supercars Championship" is the current name of the series but I think without the addition of "Australian Touring Car Championship", the table suggests that Geoghegan drove V8 Supercars, which he did not). DH85868993 (talk) 03:13, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
 * While I do see your point, no-one ever seems to be confused Lewis Hamilton has never driven a 1.5 litre four-cylinder F1. When series get up to being many decades old there is an evolutionary process. As for V8 seaosn links, it's simply a 'yet'. This is just a beginning. Lots more series to add. --Falcadore (talk) 05:45, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Wikimedians to the Games
If there are any Australians lurking around, Wikimedians to the Games is a collaboration drive to improve Australian Paralympic articles, with the most active contributors having an opportunity to go attend the Paralympic Games and to cover the Games behind the scenes with a press pass. The top two contributors will get their airfare and accommodation paid for. :) The drive official starts on 10 January 2012. --LauraHale (talk) 09:42, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Template:Infobox V8 Supercar driver proposed for deletion
Template:Infobox V8 Supercar driver has been proposed for deletion. Please express any views you may have on the matter at the deletion discussion. DH85868993 (talk) 01:18, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

V8 Supercars 2012 race reports
Umm, this may sound a little weird, but do you mind if I create some race reports for some of the V8 Supercars races in 2012, as only the Clipsal 500 and Bathurst 1000 for that year have pages? TollHRT52 (talk) 17:57, 16 August 2012 (AEST)
 * No objections here. Have a look at the existing 2011 race reports and 2012 Clipsal 500 Adelaide for the standard format and naming conventions. DH85868993 (talk) 14:03, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. TollHRT52 (talk) 13:16, 17 August 2012 (AEST)
 * Could someone please help completing the event tables as I simply don't have the time to do it all myself. TollHRT52 (talk) 15:28, 25 August 2012 (AEST)
 * You will have more time if you stop trying to create unreferenced future articles before there is any reason to. Prioritise please. --Falcadore (talk) 06:50, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Ha ha very funny. Apart from creating articles that may be of future help, I happen to be very busy watching races, playing video games and studying for upcoming tests, as well as deciding my year 9 and 10 electives. TollHRT52 (talk) 13:53, 26 August 2012 (AEST)
 * It was not intended to be funny. Wikipedia does not create pages "which may be of future help" because it is specifically against policies relating to WP:Speculation. Wikipedia is not a magazine which previews upcoming events, it is an encyclopedia which records what has already happened. What you are actually doing is creating additional work for others instead of providing help. --Falcadore (talk) 06:43, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * (sigh) Righty-o. TollHRT52 (talk) 17:46, 27 August 2012 (AEST)

RfC on the use of flag icons for sportspeople
An RfC discussion about the MOS:FLAG restriction on the use of flag icons for sportspeople has been opened at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Icons. We invite all interested participants to provide their opinion here. Qwyrxian (talk) 02:45, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Aggregated racing driver infoboxes
User:Frietjes has proposed making changes to the various series-specific racing driver infoboxes (Infobox F1 driver, Infobox Le Mans driver, Infobox WRC driver, etc) to allow them to be embedded inside Infobox racing driver, such that a driver's article may contain a single infobox covering all the different series in which they have particpated, rather than multiple infoboxes - see Andy Priaulx as an example. You are welcome to express any views you may have on the matter at Template_talk:Infobox_racing_driver. DH85868993 (talk) 01:36, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

2012 season articles needing work
Time for my annual post about incomplete season articles. The following series articles are little more than tables. Most of them don't even explain what they are, whether they are open wheel series, where they are held, who won the series! Apparently a series as important as DTM considers the point score system more important than the series champion.

The situation is also encouraging new editors to be likewise poor in seasonal coverage.

So while the majority of series are in hibernation perhaps we could spend a few days improving these articles.

Surely it would be more important and productive than arguing over whether Mercedes or Mercedes AMG is the correct terminiology for a constructor? Less minuatae!

No mention of series winner: 2012 Australian GT Championship season 2012 Australian Manufacturers' Championship 2012 Australian Sports Sedan season 2012 International V8 Supercars Championship 2011–12 New Zealand V8 season 2011–12 Suzuki Swift Sport Cup season 2012 Toyota Racing Series 2012 V8SuperTourer season 2012 V8 Utes season Series winner mentioned but no season review: 2012 Australian Carrera Cup Championship 2012 Australian Formula Ford Championship Incomplete results: 2012 Australian GT Championship season 2012 Australian Manufacturers' Championship 2012 Australian Sports Sedan season 2012 V8 Utes season Thank you for your time. --Falcadore (talk) 05:34, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Indicates race summaries, but a lack of season review


 * I've updated the Sports Sedan results and mentioned the top three in the introduction. V8 Supercar Teams' points also updated and added Triple Eight as champions in intro (Whincup already mentioned) and added Lowndes and Frosty. Kytabu Talk 23:40, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

2013 Clipasal 500 round winner
Hi, folks! V8 Supercars have several races per round, but they often declare a round winner to keep comparing round winners from previous decades (IIRC). So I've just opened the 2013 Clipsal 500 article, and there's none. Is it Craig Lowndes for collects the most championship points? Is there another points scale for the round winner? Or did Vesa drop the round winner thing? Thanks! --NaBUru38 (talk) 00:37, 4 March 2013 (UTC)


 * V8 Supercars no longer officially recognise round winners but they do keep records in case they ever revert to the old system in the future. As for who was the round winner at Clipsal...usually it's the most points wins the round but Clipsal is a special case where the Sunday winner is given the round win, regardless of points scored (this is based on the original concept for the event being a single race split into two 250km legs - sort of irrelevant now that there's two qualifying sessions). Either Lowndes or Van Gisbergen is the round winner depending on how you look at it. Kytabu Talk 12:47, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

V8 Supercar race report infobox
What does everyone think of adding a pole position part for each race in the V8s race infobox? I think it would neaten up the articles from 2009 onwards, rather than including both pole winners in the one pole position part. Of course, if there isn't a separate qualifying for each race, the second and third parts could be left blank. Kytabu Talk 22:22, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Naming of ATCC/V8SC Event Articles
As events are changing names all he time, I suggest that we move all the articles on race events. Keep current names as redirects but each event will have an article titled '*Circuit Name* ATCC/V8 Supercars Event' and go from there. It may seem a bit of a task but events are constantly changing names and sponsors and so forth. Holdenman05 (talk) 23:42, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
 * To clarify, are you proposing renaming the "race" articles, which describe the whole history of the race (e.g. Sandown 500, Canberra 400, Adelaide 500, etc), or the individual race report articles (e.g. 2012 Dick Smith Sandown 500, 2013 Wilson Security Sandown 500, etc)? Thanks. DH85868993 (talk) 04:58, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
 * The race history, not the individual reports. Holdenman05 (talk) 08:13, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
 * OK. Looking at Category:V8 Supercar races, the vast majority of the race history articles already have quite "generic" names based on their location - only two of the article titles (ITM 500 Auckland and Skycity Triple Crown) currently contain sponsor names. Also, I think there might be considerable opposition to Bathurst 1000 being renamed as "Mount Panorama ATCC/V8 Supercars Event" (or even "Bathurst ATCC/V8 Supercars Event"). DH85868993 (talk) 09:19, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Keeping 'Bathurst 1000' as the title of the Mt Panorama event could be an exception, but the others would not. Even Sandown - look how many names that has had; Sandown 500, Hang-Ten 400, Castrol 500 and Norton 360 Sandown Challenge to name a few - it would still be named "Sandown ATCC/V8 Supercars Event". But no, Bathurst could be an exception. It wasn't always an ATCC/V8SC event either - look at '97 and '98; the official Bathurst 1000 was for Super Touring. Holdenman05 (talk) 23:21, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Personally, I don't consider "Sandown ATCC/V8 Supercars Event" to be an improvement on the existing article title of Sandown 500 (which I would consider to be the event's common name), but others may have different opinions. DH85868993 (talk) 00:28, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Continuity. And like I said earlier, the event hasn't always held the "500" name - which is why it would change. OK, Bathurst wasn't a "1000" for the 1st 10 years of the event, but it - again, like I said before - can be an exception on the basis of heritage. Besides, most of the general public would've heard of Bathurst, but not Sandown. Holdenman05 (talk) 08:29, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

I think this discussion could benefit from input from others. Are you happy for me to advertise the discussion at WP:MOTOR? DH85868993 (talk) 08:55, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I was just thinking the same thing. I have no problems with it, but I suggest you either include a link to or include parts of this particular discussion at the WP:MOTOR discussion. Holdenman05 (talk) 05:30, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I've advertised the discussion at WP:MOTOR, asking editors to contribute here rather than there. DH85868993 (talk) 05:36, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
 * As an outsider to Australian motorsports, I clearly see the benefit of Holdenman05's proposed approach which is based on 'continuity'. However, as Wikipedia article title convention, the benefit cannot outweigh the article title requirements laid out by Wikipedia policies, which backs DH85868993's position.  Please note 'continuity' (currently) is not a part of the criteria listed at WP:NAMINGCRITERIA, and it is a different concept to "long-term significance" in WP:PRIMARYTOPIC.   Yiba  (talk &#124; contribs) 06:49, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
 * In WP:AOWR and WP:NASCAR we almost exclusively use official sponsor-related names. It's really not that much trouble to move some of the articles and related redirects once a year. While some races do have a common name (ie Michigan 500, others, such as the Cheez-It 355 at The Glen do not have a common name and "Watkins Glen NASCAR Sprint Cup Race" would be even less COMMONNAME than the formal name. So that's where we come out on the issue. I generally believe that the order of use should be Common Name, if none, use Official Name, and finally only if there is no official name, is it OK to use a "contrived title". -Drdisque (talk) 15:50, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
 * The NASCAR events have held these titles for years and are unlikely to change distance or sponsors as they are much more stable and have almost historic reasons not to change. If you look at certain events - the Barbagallo round for instance, likewise Sandown - there have been almost constant sponsor and distance changes. And others like Winton which have never really had an event name. Holdenman05 (talk) 11:40, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
 * That is incorrect, many NASCAR events change sponsors and names almost yearly and do not have "institutional" names - for example - Quicken Loans 400 or Hollywood Casino 400. -Drdisque (talk) 22:38, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Sandown ATCC/V8 Supercars Event is an incredibly bad name for a V8 supercar event, as it would then group not just Sandown 500 and ancestor races together but also Sandown sprint V8/ATCC events. Which would then mean that the event would have been held twice in some years which has never, ever been considered to be the case. It also excludes Sandown 500 events which have NOT been ATCC or V8 Supercar events. Which is most of them, specifically all races from 1964-1975, 1978-2002 and 2011. Reject completely. --Falcadore (talk) 01:29, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Comment on the WikiProject X proposal
Hello there! As you may already know, most WikiProjects here on Wikipedia struggle to stay active after they've been founded. I believe there is a lot of potential for WikiProjects to facilitate collaboration across subject areas, so I have submitted a grant proposal with the Wikimedia Foundation for the "WikiProject X" project. WikiProject X will study what makes WikiProjects succeed in retaining editors and then design a prototype WikiProject system that will recruit contributors to WikiProjects and help them run effectively. Please review the proposal here and leave feedback. If you have any questions, you can ask on the proposal page or leave a message on my talk page. Thank you for your time! (Also, sorry about the posting mistake earlier. If someone already moved my message to the talk page, feel free to remove this posting.) Harej (talk) 22:47, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

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Harej (talk) 16:56, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

WikiConfererence Australia 2015 - Save the date 3-5 October 2015
Our first Australian conference for Wikipedians/Wikimedians will be held 3-5 October 2015. Organised by Wikimedia Australia, there will be a 2-day conference (Saturday 3 October and Sunday 4 October) with an optional 3rd day (Monday 5 October) for specialist topics (unconference discussions, training sessions, etc). The venue is the State Library of Queensland in Brisbane. So put those dates in your diary! Note: Monday is a public holiday is some states but not others. Read about it here: WikiConference Australia 2015

As part of that page, there are now sections for you to: It would really help our planning if you could let us know about possible attendance and the kind of topics that would make you want to come. If you don’t want to express your views on-wiki, please email me at kerry.raymond@wikimedia.org.au or committee@wikimedia.org.au
 * indicate your interest in possibly attending the conference (this is not a binding commitment, of course)
 * add suggestions for topics to include in the conference: what you would like to hear/discuss (again, there is no commit to you presenting/organising that topic, although it’s great if you are willing to do so), or indicate your enthusiasm for any existing topic on the list by adding a note of support underneath it

We are hoping to have travel subsidies available to assist active Australasian Wikipedians to attend the conference, although we are not currently in a position to provide details, but be assured we are doing everything we can to make it possible for active Australian Wikipedians to come to the conference. Kerry (talk) 00:15, 20 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Folks, just letting you know we will not be proceeding with Wikiconference Australia 2015 originally proposed for 3-5 October 2015. Thanks to those of you who expressed your support. You are free to attend the football finals instead :-) Kerry (talk) 08:03, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

V8 Supercar infobox
If anyone on this project is still active - I would appreciate a third opinion at Template_talk:V8_Supercar_Teams. Mattlore (talk) 08:55, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

V8 Supercars race report infobox
I would like to get an opinion on a redesigned version of Template:V8 Supercar race report which I've been working on in my sandbox (template code here). As with Template:V8 supercar race, I've based it on the Formula One infobox. I think that the current design is a bit messy and overly long, especially for three and four race events (compare 2015 Tyrepower Tasmania Super Sprint with this). Kytabu Talk 00:30, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I very much prefer your version. A lot more clear-cut, brief and to the point. If people want to know about podiums, they'd either look further down the page or include it in the article themselves. You have my vote. Holdenman05 (talk) 04:23, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Looks great, well done! SchueyFan (talk) 09:26, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * In the absence of any objections, I will start implementing the new template design over the coming weeks. Kytabu Talk 22:55, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

2015/16 Extreme RX
I'm tempted to put this article up for deletion as it has only held one round and been scrapped as of today. Objections? Comments? Holdenman05 (talk) 11:09, 28 October 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure. May be worth keeping and writing up why the season was cancelled.  Ky ta  bu  11:43, 28 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Having done a bit more reading, I think the best course of action is to delete the article and add any information to Rallycross. I don't think that the Extreme Rally Championship is notable enough to warrant its own article or season article with only one event completed.  Ky ta  bu  23:17, 28 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Article has been put up for deletion. See the AfD page here. Holdenman05 (talk) 10:30, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Season in progress footnotes
I have proposed a change to the wording of the "Season in progress" footnotes which accompany motorsport results tables which the season is still in progress. Interested editors are invited to comment at the centralised discussion. Thanks. DH85868993 (talk) 21:55, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

Improving quality
Is anyone interested in helping to improve the quality of articles that are a part of this project? I have noted that 77% of the articles are either stub or start class, and many are incomplete (such as season pages which were started and then never kept up to date).

The first thing I was planning to do was to design and implement a standard article format for drivers, teams, circuits, events, championships and races. I have started working on a standard driver format here; criticisms are welcome. –  Ky  ta  bu   08:15, 10 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Looks good, but I would consider adding some sort of Template:Infobox to your format. Not sure if there is a ready made Motorsport one that would work for V8 drivers. Mattlore (talk) 09:15, 10 March 2016 (UTC)


 * I think that most Australian driver pages currently use Template:Infobox racing driver, while V8 Supercar drivers have Template:Infobox V8 Supercar record embedded within that. I was going to avoid adding templates until the written parts of the article were finalised. I am unsure how best to structure the career section (by series, by year, by team, etc) and how to work the early and personal life information in. –  Ky  ta  bu   09:29, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

just hoping to generate some more interest.

I have started on a standard team article format as well. My main focus at the moment is going through and giving unassessed articles a quality rating. After that I was going to rate those without an importance rating. From there, I was thinking we can look at getting higher importance articles to a better quality level as well as the article formats. –  Ky  ta  bu   09:20, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

Dale Malone
Article is clearly self-published and an orphan, only one of the references is from a slightly reputable source and he isn't exactly a notable competitor, esp. seeing as there isn't even an article for the World Time Attack Challenge. Holdenman05 (talk) 01:32, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Pretty sure it meets criteria for speedy deletion under BLP rules. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 02:53, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Do we use a multiple issues template, though? It definitely fits A7, but it could also fall under G11 as well. Holdenman05 (talk) 07:26, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

RFC on sports notability
An RFC has recently been started regarding a potential change to the notability guidelines for sportspeople. Please join in the conversation. Thank you. Primefac (talk) 23:07, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Bathurst 1000 tables
I've noticed Bathurst 1000 history tables popping up on drivers pages. No problems there. My question is regarding the Super Touring / V8 war in the late 90's. The Super Touring race was the official Bathurst 1000. Ran by the ARDC, used the traditional date in October and used the title Bathurst 1000. The V8 race was a 'rebel' race run by IMG (from memory), run late October early November & I think the title was the Australian 1000? In these tables, there is usually a symbol (†) highlighting that the result was a Super Touring result (ie less important). Shouldn't the V8 entry receive this as it wasn't the official race? Or the V8 results should not even on the table? Discuss. --Kpaspery (talk) 23:47, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Team Kiwi Racing
Seems to have been heavily edited by someone very close to the team (if not David John himself judging by some of the language used). A clean-up is required. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.150.84.137 (talk) 05:54, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Let's get Bob Jane on the Main Page
Not sure if this is the right approach, but I'm hoping someone can help. Please take a look at Talk:Bob Jane. Right now, Aussie motor sport fans are looking like they don't know how to reference articles. HiLo48 (talk) 03:15, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Request for information on WP1.0 web tool
Hello and greetings from the maintainers of the WP 1.0 Bot! As you may or may not know, we are currently involved in an overhaul of the bot, in order to make it more modern and maintainable. As part of this process, we will be rewriting the web tool that is part of the project. You might have noticed this tool if you click through the links on the project assessment summary tables.

We'd like to collect information on how the current tool is used by....you! How do you yourself and the other maintainers of your project use the web tool? Which of its features do you need? How frequently do you use these features? And what features is the tool missing that would be useful to you? We have collected all of these questions at this Google form where you can leave your response. Walkerma (talk) 04:24, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Arbitration/Requests/Case/Motorsports opened
The Arbitration Committee has accepted arequest for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Arbitration/Requests/Case/Motorsports regarding an user who has contributed to this project. If anyone wishes to add evidence for arbitrators to consider, you can add it to the evidence subpage, at Arbitration/Requests/Case/Motorsports/Evidence. Please add your evidence by March 13, 2020, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Arbitration/Requests/Case/Motorsports/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Arbitration/Guide to arbitration.Tvx1 23:12, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Australian Grand Prix photo question
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Australian Grand Prix § Photo question. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:01, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment
This article is or was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment.

Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT (talk) 14:30, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Supercars Championship driver result tables
I have thought for a while that the Supercars driver result tables currently in use are very, very messy. This is a combination of the amount of races per season, which forces us to use a small font to reduce width; the use of race numbers in the result cells which forces each result to three lines; and using an even smaller font for the actual result, making it very difficult to read at standard zoom.

I have been expanding the Scott McLaughlin article in my sandbox and have decided to have a play with the results tables. The second one follows much the same format as the tables used for other championships, but I have removed the race numbers from the result cells (this is what the header cells are for) and removed the small tags from the results themselves, as is done on some NASCAR driver tables. If you compare it to first three years here, it is neater, less cramped and much easier to read the race results, which ultimately is the purpose of the table.

The first table in my sandbox is a completely new proposal partly based on the constructor result tables used for F1. It is designed with the aim of being much more convenient to edit. The event header cells for each season could be created in a template, meaning we only have to code up the events for each season once, rather than having the code on every driver to race that season. The race results themselves can be copied directly from the championship standings table on the season page and we can use a larger font while reducing the width of the table.

It was actually the table on Craig Lowndes' page that made me want to change this. That table is unnecessarily large; either of my proposals would reduce the height by around 33% while also reducing the width and making it easier to read. –  Ky  ta  bu   23:41, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Cannabis and sports
New stub: Cannabis and sports. Any project members care to help expand the motorsport section? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:56, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

User script to detect unreliable sources
I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like and turns it into something like
 * John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.
 * John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.

It will work on a variety of links, including those from cite web, cite journal and doi.

The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.

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Project-independent quality assessments
Quality assessments are used by Wikipedia editors to rate the quality of articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at Content assessment, but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent Village pump proposal was approved and has been implemented to add a class parameter to WikiProject banner shell, which can display a general quality assessment for an article, and to let project banner templates "inherit" this assessment.

No action is required if your wikiproject follows the standard assessment approach. Over time, quality assessments will be migrated up to WikiProject banner shell, and your project banner will automatically "inherit" any changes to the general assessments for the purpose of assigning categories.

However, if your project decides to "opt out" and follow a non-standard quality assessment approach, all you have to do is modify your wikiproject banner template to pass WPBannerMeta a new custom parameter. If this is done, changes to the general quality assessment will be ignored, and your project-level assessment will be displayed and used to create categories, as at present. Aymatth2 (talk) 14:31, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Article alerts
This is a notice to let you know about Article alerts, a fully-automated subscription-based news delivery system designed to notify WikiProjects and Taskforces when articles are entering Articles for deletion, Requests for comment, Peer review and other workflows (full list). The reports are updated on a daily basis, and provide brief summaries of what happened, with relevant links to discussion or results when possible. A certain degree of customization is available; WikiProjects and Taskforces can choose which workflows to include, have individual reports generated for each workflow, have deletion discussion transcluded on the reports, and so on. An example of a customized report can be found here.

If you are already subscribed to Article Alerts, it is now easier to report bugs and request new features. We are also in the process of implementing a "news system", which would let projects know about ongoing discussions on a wikipedia-wide level, and other things of interest. The developers also note that some subscribing WikiProjects and Taskforces use the  parameter, but forget to give a link to their alert page. Your alert page should be located at "Wikipedia:PROJECT-OR-TASKFORCE-HOMEPAGE/Article alerts". Questions and feedback should be left at Wikipedia talk:Article alerts.

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