Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Automobiles

Article improvement
I feel, one of the key article of this wikiproject, Automotive engineering needs a good revision and copy edit. I would love to help in the process as much as viable. Being a civil engineering student I am unknown of some key terms. In addition, i see the need of forming a new article Automobile engineering much famous in South asian countries including Nepal and India to flourish the information regarding the subject and make the area of study open to fellow readers.Franked2004 (talk)

Automotive industry in China
Been doing work to clean up and properly source Automotive industry in China, but would very much appreciate other sets of eyes on it as some of the stats/figures might be fabricated as they either lack WP:RSes or even sources altogether. - Amigao (talk) 05:01, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Ferrari Monza SP
Checking the sources, it appears that the article is made of sources put together from three different press releases, besides one about a concierge service - one about its introduction, winning a design award (one is WP:PRIMARY) and one about the last model built.

Like articles about their one-offs, I cannot see there is anying to justify a standalone article, thus I recommend a merger to Ferrari 812 Superfast. SpacedFarmer (talk) 19:09, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * week oppose they are too distinct to not have standalone article. SP3 has it also. YBSOne (talk) 22:01, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * The same could be said for Ferrari's Special Project cars such as the SP3JC, which has so much in common with the Monza SP. An argument against it will be; the only thing separating it will be the body. As mentioned in my now archived argument against the McLaren F1 LM, does that and the Monza SP have the significantly high press coverages that the Porsche 911 Carrera RS 2.7 has? I would've been supportive of a separate article about the Monza SP if it has the coverages it has with their mainstream models. SpacedFarmer (talk) 09:13, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't have the strongest opinions on article mergers/separations for related vehicles, but it is worth noting that the SP1, SP2 and SP3 are part of Ferrari's Icona series and are series produced models, not one or two offs like the rest of Ferrari's Special Project cars. Also, keep in mind that since I wrote most of that article when the car had just came out, there are more sources that have came out since then that I haven't gotten around to putting in the article. For instance, there's now a full Top Gear review, a review in EVO, and a Car Magazine ride along at Goodwood. TKOIII (talk) 18:41, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

More great news
Hello contributor to the WP Automobiles project, great news! As we know, the Aston Martin DB9 article has been promoted to featured article status, identifying it as one of the best articles produced by the WP community (only 0.09% of WP articles are featured articles). Even better news has been put upon us, as now the article will appear on the Main Page as today's featured article on 27 July 2024! Pinging as it will be his high-quality image that we will be using. 750h+ 04:50, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I am blushing. Congratulations and thank you.  Mr.choppers &#124;   ✎  13:28, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Telo Trucks
I just created a draft for electric vehicle startup Telo Trucks. Any help would be appreciated. Thriley (talk) 03:52, 14 June 2024 (UTC)


 * I don't particular feel like creating the content but if you create the content then I will tidy-up the formatting, etc. I've already tidied-up what little is there. Remember that you are writing for an international audience and that not all readers will know US customs and that what is true in the US is not necessarily true outside the US.  Stepho  talk 04:18, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

TDI (engine)
Hello. There's some kind of unusual activity on TDI (engine). I'm not sure if the edits are constructive or not. Could someone take a look? Ae245 (talk) 11:02, 19 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Reverted all; all of the edits were suspicious and unsourced. 750h+ 11:43, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Ford Evos (concept car)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Ford Evos (concept car) that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Safari Scribe Edits! Talk! 10:11, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Trailer light converter


The article Trailer light converter has been proposed for deletion&#32;because of the following concern: "This page is linked by one article, trailer (vehicle), it summarizes this article well. sometimes you need another device to connect the lights on the trailer to a car. I am not sure that there is much more that is encyclopedic to say about it"

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 * That article says nothing of substance and has no references. Change it to be a redirect to trailer (vehicle).  Stepho  talk 00:37, 29 June 2024 (UTC)


 * ✅ by User:Gnisacc.  Stepho  talk 00:03, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Japan Mobility Show (former Tokyo Motor Show) needs rewrite
Japan Mobility Show has changed format from biannual to something more complicated described in this official press release. Article could do with an update/rewrite to accurately describe what the new format of the show, as it's a pretty significant change. 2.107.248.41 (talk) 23:26, 2 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Press release says that it now runs every year, with alternating years focusing on business links or customer links.  Stepho  talk 00:06, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

Idea
I was thinking of creating a list of what we'd consider "reliable" and "unreliable" sources on the WP Automobiles project. Pinging such editors as to see their opinions on this. 750h+ 04:47, 11 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Do you have any suggestions? I'm open for it but Wikipedia policy WP:RS feels sufficient for now. Andra Febrian (talk) 15:54, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I feel like Top Gear (magazine), Classic and Sports Car, and Autocar (magazine) would be top-tier reliable, while Carsales and Autoblog might be on the concerning-spec, and blogspot and Best Selling Cars Blog would be unreliable. 750h+ 16:02, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I think WP:RS is largely sufficient, to be honest. If anything, I'd like to add a note regarding those spec compilation sites (automobile catalog, carfolio, and ultimate specs - in order of reliability IMHO) can be trusted for basic specifications but are considered to be of less weight than reliable, secondary sources. Same thing for manufacturers' publications - fine to verify specs, dates, etcetera, but not for anything contentious or any value statements.  Mr.choppers &#124;   ✎  18:44, 11 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Same, let's just follow WP:RS. Most of the the well-known car magazines are very reliable sources. The compilation sites I don't trust much - some of them have merely scraped data/images from my own site and I'm reasonably sure they do no fact checking of their own. Non-car magazines (eg New York Times) are fine for very basic facts but are usually not written by or for car enthusiasts - more like telling rich readers which car makes this year's best image statement. Manufacturers are also fine for basic facts (eg wheelbase, engine size, release dates but not power, emission or fuel economy figures) - as always, if there is a buck to made for "enhancing" the truth then it will be stretched within an inch of its life.
 * I'm not seeing a big problem with choosing reliable sources. Is this a major issue that you are seeing?  Stepho  talk 00:11, 12 July 2024 (UTC)


 * I'm gonna go against the grain here and say I actually think this is a decent idea since i've found many larger general sources which are considered reliable by WP:RS such as the NYT to be less reliable and substantially less detailed than smaller and less established enthusiast run news sites and blogs, and certainly less reliable than established enthusiast sites and magazines. There are also a handful of semi well established car news sites which seem to have suspect reliability but are cited in many articles. Off the top of my head, HotCars comes to mind, as its basically a quantity over quality content farm. TKOIII (talk) 20:42, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I disagree. This discussion so far has been about magazines and newspapers which are not exactly scientific studies, they're chat at the end of the day and often based on or consisting of paid material even if the final text is written by the publication. A decidedly reliable source can repeat the same press release as a decidedly unreliable source, doesn't change anything about the quality of the information. Unreliable claims should be made on case basis, and if a source can be found that is questionable without a reliable one being found by the editor, than the substance of the article should be considered more than putting a list together somewhere else. Rally Wonk (talk) 22:10, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Engine Charts
Hello! Remodeled The Engine Charts for the Honda K Engine To make it slightly more compact and a bit easier to read. Please give your opinion on this: Draft:Honda K Engine MotoMottor (talk) 17:31, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

contains 3 different unrelated topics. That's a problem, since it is not a topic article, but a grabbag of independent topics that share a name. There are also other automobiles not in this article called Pilot listed at Pilot (disambiguation). -- 65.92.247.96 (talk) 07:13, 15 July 2024 (UTC) 65.92.247.96 (talk) 07:13, 15 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Update: This has been split into 3 artricles -- 65.92.247.96 (talk) 03:54, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Before I start a massive RM
I've been wondering for ages why articles about EVs in regions are all called "plug-in electric vehicle in X", for instance plug-in electric vehicles in the United States. I don't think that's the WP:common name (anymore?), and people almost uniformly refer to these cars as EVs now. Before I open a RM with >100 entries, I thought I would ask here. —Femke 🐦 (talk) 20:08, 19 July 2024 (UTC)


 * You may want to consider that an EV is technically any vehicle that is driven purely by electric motors and that the electricity may come from different sources. Sources may include purely batteries (PEV or battery EV), fuel cells (FCEV), a petrol engine (series hybrid or electric drivetrain), solar power and others. Add in petrol powered range extender options that can charge batteries but not fast enough to power the vehicle in motion.  Stepho  talk 00:13, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Is that true? The DOE defines an EV as relying on batteries. Similarly, the IEA defines an EV as a BEV + plug-in hybrids. The Wikipedia article on electric vehicle uses a 1996 source for its definition on the other hand. —Femke 🐦 (talk) 08:58, 20 July 2024 (UTC)


 * But that is a US only definition. Remember that Wikipedia is international. Australia defines 4 types of EV - BEV, PHEV, FCEV and regenerative hybrids. See https://arena.gov.au/renewable-energy/electric-vehicles . Other countries may differ again.  Stepho  talk 09:25, 20 July 2024 (UTC)