Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Bahá'í Faith/Archive 2

Request for Comment - Bahá'í/Bábí split
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Category:Enoch
I would like to create category called Category:Enoch in order to re-organize the material in the Enoch series. Enoch is a very mysterious character that would still need to be de-mythologized for the sake of ancient and modern studies in religion. Is there anywhere I can propose or discuss the creation of this category ? ADM (talk) 20:33, 16 March 2009 (UTC)


 * There are a number of folks named Enoch; any particular one? --—— Gadget850 (Ed)  talk  -  20:45, 16 March 2009 (UTC)


 * (e/c) I imagine that you could just start adding the category to relevant articles (WP:BEBOLD maybe?), but of course there is no guarantee that the category would remain if other editors disagreed. Are there other, similar categories already in existence for Biblical figures? I tried looking for some, but my already sparse religious knowledge seems to have deserted me! You could try looking through the sub-categories under Categorical_index for a precedent.
 * For discussion, perhaps the best place to begin might be the talk page of Wikiproject Religion, or alternatively the talk page of one of the articles mentioned at Enoch (I wasn't sure which Enoch you meant), although a discussion there may not get as many contributors. -- Kateshort forbob  20:52, 16 March 2009 (UTC)


 * The son of Jared is by far the most famous one, known simply as Enoch, there is merely a problem in the disambiguation which I would like to fix. ADM (talk) 20:53, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Anousheh Khalili
Would it be safe to categorize Anousheh Khalili as a Baha'i? She never explicitly said "I am a Baha'i", but on her website she has links to Baha'i prayers that she herself sang. Do you think I would run into any trouble if I put the "American Baha'is" category on her page? Parthian Scribe 20:51, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure As far as I'm concerned, that is compelling evidence to consider her a Bahá'í. My recommendation would be to include this evidence within the text of the article, though, to justify its inclusion. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:22, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but I totally disagree. I know it's well-intentioned, but unless she has self-identified as such we must not identify her as one. Persians face notable persecution for even being accused of affiliation. It's not fair to do that to someone in a WP:BLP. MARussellPESE (talk) 22:42, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree - we need strong references. Smkolins (talk) 02:00, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth I took a look around and several websites mention the idea but almost all of them are unacceptable sources of info. The closest one I would consider is Anousheh’s prayer CD has been approved by the Baha’i National Review Office of United States. which seems to be a personal webpage of someone named Anousheh, which is a possible weakness, and the fact that it's on a personal page could also mean it may disappear without warning. But there is enough smoke to keep looking for a more solid reference. Smkolins (talk) 14:57, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Date error???
Here is: While studying in England, on 29 November 1921, the news of `Abdu'l-Bahá's death reached Shoghi Effendi ... then: he arrived in Haifa on 29 December ..., is it right or wrong??? --giorces (talk) 15:25, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Ps, the question is solved, --giorces (talk) 07:38, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

"B" maybe?
Bahá'í Faith in the Netherlands Smkolins (talk) 16:55, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

The Bahá'í Faith as an Abrahamic religion
While Bahá'ís believe in all the prophets mentioned in the Bible and Koran, I'm not sure if it should be categorized as an Abrahamic religion. After all, Baha'is do not see any of the prophets as superior to one another, so what's up with its categorization (on most pages) as an Abrahamic religion? It's really a "world" religion, but since there is no category for that, why isn't it considered an Modern or Iranian religion? 174.18.4.211 (talk) 12:41, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * My guess is because Bahai is specifically mentioned as an Abrahamic religion in the first paragraph of Abrahamic religions. The other points you raise don't really say anything against that. John Carter (talk) 13:21, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The Abrahamic religions are those monotheistic faiths which recognize a spiritual tradition identified with Abraham. In this case the Baha'i Faith identifies with the figure of Abraham as both a Manifestation of God, and that Baha'u'llah's ancestry can allegedly be traced back to Abraham through Abraham's wife Keturah makes it clearly an Abrahamic religion.  That it also accepts other religious traditions as containing truth and originally being from the same God does not invalidate the requirements of being an Abrahamic religion.  Regards, -- Jeff3000 (talk) 15:38, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

WP:NOT#PLOT
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Popular pages
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Religious response to ART
Hi, I just created a page on religious responses to fertility treatment. I don't know enough to write the Bahai opinion. Would someone like to help out?Joe407 (talk) 15:59, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Call for editors to help manage religion related content
Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Religion. Thank you. John Carter (talk) 19:01, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Abrahamic religions
The article Abrahamic religions needs to be revised to include materials on the Bahai faith, such as scripture and the like--Orestek (talk) 11:42, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
 * This is the position several have offered. It used to be far more substantial but while fixing many defects in the article the Baha'i content was largely stripped. There was an active edit campaign going on for some time (check back in the histories to August/September/October.) The key is to find more sources that recognize the participation of the Baha'is in the world view of what Abrahamic religions are. Short of that content treating the religion on equal par is vulnerable. I'd welcome your efforts to identify concrete highly reputable sources that reference the religion in such a high profile article - think along the lines of high claims require high proof. Smkolins (talk) 17:11, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

categories being shuffled.
Please share your thoughts about Categories_for_discussion/Log/2010_January_15 Smkolins (talk) 17:20, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

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a bot to gather possible members of the projecet?
See WikiProject Films/New articles - they have a bot to gather a list of possible project members. I suspect the false positives would be few as mention of the Baha'i Faith would almost certainly make it interesting to the project. So perhaps this bot could be adapted.... Smkolins (talk) 11:37, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Unreferenced living people articles bot
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list of article ideas....

 * from Bahá%27%C3%AD_Faith there are some listed that don't have articles. Some of these would also need linking into Bahá'í teachings.
 * Independent investigation of truth
 * Obedience to government and non-involvement in partisan politics
 * Elimination of extremes of wealth and poverty

I'd also like to suggest some biographies:
 * Howard Colby Ives
 * Hippolyte Dreyfus-Barney
 * Jane Elizabeth Whyte
 * Corinne True
 * Howard MacNutt
 * Dorothy Beecher Baker
 * Clara Dunn
 * Mildred Mottahedeh

And if you look through most of the existing biographies and schools and countries articles we are needing pictures, however difficult it is to submit pictures (you personally took and justify using templates and survive challenges to make sure you took the pictures personally etc. Smkolins (talk) 16:01, 7 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Resources I know that Scarecrow Press' Historical Dictionary (ISBN 0810850966) has a good start for virtually any topic and might direct someone to the appropriate texts. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:04, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Unitarian Bahaism
A new article has been created on Unitarian Bahaism and has been nominated for deletion. I am making a request for expert assistance. - Stillwaterising (talk) 11:41, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Nice. Several of the most active members of this project have already been involved and relatively denigrated for it. Never the less we have a long history of working hard to make articles better and write more articles that meet notability. Smkolins (talk) 18:36, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

another idea....
well perhaps two - on the talk pages of Abrahamic Religions and Bahá'í literature, not to mention scattered among the articles where the religion is mentioned, there are various sources detailed to greater or lesser degrees. So one idea is to create something of an annotated bibliography article. Another is to plumb such sources for relevant information on their various subjects articles. I was thinking of copying such references here but I'm not sure of the appropriate mechanism as talk pages generally age out and get archived sooner or later. Just a thought I had.Smkolins (talk) 10:04, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Replacement of the word "Bahá'ís" in Wikipedia Categories
There is currently a proposal to change the category: Category:Bahá'ís to Category:Bahá'í people, which is part of the batch of changes being proposed in this discussion. If successful, it will probably be followed by moves to replace the word "Bahá'ís" through the Wikipedia categories by the words "Bahá'í people". Davshul (talk) 20:21, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

expanding Abdu'l-Baha's journeys to the West...
Hi. Following some encouragement and interest I've been looking at expanding from `Abdu'l-Bahá into a full article. It's all at User:Smkolins/Sandbox and I'm wondering a couple things. I've tried various schemes on basic structure. So far I like the present one the best. What do you think? Also should I post as is, as is with flags for expanding sections mostly towards the bottom, or keep plugging away until the content is reasonably even and then post? The main structural problem is various levels of citation - some are ?? that need to be found but mostly there are unstructured Hardvard-like entries barely formatted. Frankly Harvard style is something I've done only alittle of. If I keep going through the development alone it could easily be a couple months before it's "ready" to post. On the other hand one ref I'm waiting for and have been in communication with the Library of Congress about is a reference that might come online in June so a couple months is in order for at least one detail (I have a secondary ref but I think the direct newspaper story should prove most worthwhile.) Smkolins (talk) 12:05, 3 May 2010 (UTC)
 * It's live! - see `Abdu'l-Bahá's journeys to the West Smkolins (talk) 21:30, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Outlines on religions

 * Outline of Islam
 * Outline of Christianity
 * Outline of Buddhism
 * Outline of Hinduism
 * Outline of Bahá'í Faith

The Transhumanist 19:05, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
 * If anything It should be Outline of the Bahá'í Faith —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:32, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

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Proposed annual "meeting" of religious projects
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new suggestion
Hi all. Please see: Talk:Jesus. I've added a suggested revision, and invite comment. IBE (talk) 10:55, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Bahá'í Institute for Higher Education
While I've significantly extended the content it could probably use another eye for writing quality. Smkolins (talk) 15:05, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

WikiWomen's History Month
Hi everyone. March is Women's History Month and I'm hoping a few folks here at WP:Bahá'í Faith will have interest in putting on events related to women's roles in the Bahá'í Faith. We've created an event page on English Wikipedia (please translate!) and I hope you'll find the inspiration to participate. These events can take place off wiki, like edit-a-thons, or on wiki, such as themes and translations. Please visit the page here: WikiWomen's History Month. Thanks for your consideration and I look forward to seeing events take place! SarahStierch (talk) 19:10, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

The Baha'i Faith in St. Lucia - West Indies
I am striving to create a wiki page "The Baha'i Faith in St. Lucia - West Indies". I am having some troubles and would like some assistance. I have the beginnings of the content based upon"The Baha'i Faith in Barbados" I hit save and it does not appear in searches nor on my watch-list. Does that take time? I also can't bring it up to continue to edit. What do I do? Keith R. Bloodworth — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keith R. Bloodworth (talk • contribs) 13:04, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
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a case for genocide concerns
I'm making a case at Talk:Cultural_genocide for an entry on the Baha'i Faith. Smkolins (talk) 15:04, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Dizzy Gillespie spoken article form ....
It systematically mis-pronounces the name of the religion. Any chance someone could poke at the process of making spoken articles to show people how the primary words of the religions are said? Smkolins (talk) 12:07, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

French Wikipedia - Proposed merging for Qiblih with Qibla
Dear Friends, I need some help to explain the differences between the Bahá'ís Qiblih and the Islamic Qibla in French here and here, because my French is not good enough for that. I know, the words Qibla and Qiblih has the same meaning, but that's imho no reason to merge two different articles. Thanks in advance and best regards, -- JCIV (talk) 18:00, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Well I thought there had been a difference in Arabic spelling, but I was wrong: both articles have the same Arabic spelling, and I have to conclude that the only difference is common Islamic transliteration vs. standardized Baha'i transliteration. Ergo, I suggest they be merged. Peter Deer (talk) 04:28, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Proposed MOS for Religion
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Bahá'í Faith on life after death
Interested parties might want to review the article and the talk page wrestling with the properness of the use of sources. --Smkolins (talk) 14:29, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Better rendering of bahai symbols
Hi. I was wondering if anyone could help me. I'm trying to find a better rendering of the Greatest Name at Greatest_Name? --Steinninn 14:56, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * If you know what to try and can do it you can upload it. But the existing one is pretty commonly used. Smkolins (talk) 02:50, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I created an SVG image of the Greatest Name. It was bugging me that the existing ones were so rough. Greatest_Name.svg — ★ Parsa ☞ talk 07:23, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Bahá'í News
I'd just like to give Kudos and draw attention to User:Clifflandis for creating the article Bahá'í News, which was listed by Article Alerts as its "most popular missing journal", i.e., the most cited journal lacking a Wikipedia article. If anyone can help improve this new article, now's the time! --dragfyre_ ʞןɐʇ c 14:57, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
 * on the subject of journals I'll mention that the dead links to Journal of the Bahá'í Community of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (generally at http://www.bahaijournal.org.uk/) should be in line to be fixed someday - I'm told that there is an intention to re-post the content online. I'll take a look at the Baha'i News article.... getting back in the Wikipedia spirit of things a bit. Smkolins (talk) 13:23, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
 * while I'm at it I also contacted Mona Foundation about their urls changing and they are looking at it and want to make it work better. Smkolins (talk) 17:23, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
 * perhaps Bahá'í literature should be developed.... Smkolins (talk) 13:52, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

I've cleaned up Bahá'í News a little, and I see a few things that need work: On a related note, Bahá'í World News Service needs creating too. --dragfyre_ ʞןɐʇ c 18:39, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
 * What is the relationship between Bahá'í News and American Baha'i? If the latter is a successor publication, how was it first conceived, and why did it begin publishing so long (20 years!) before the former stopped? The related reference is at a registration-only link, and I'm outside of the USA so I don't think I can see it.
 * Is there a better overview somewhere of the content of Bahá'í News, besides just that most of it was about international news, pioneering and domestic developments? It'd be nice to see information about specific sections, i.e.: fund goals/progress, letters from the NSA, the Universal House of Justice, or Shoghi Effendi, etc. It'd also be interesting to note whether any major communications were first published in Bahá'í News, in the same way that many of 'Abdu'l-Bahá's tablets were first published in Star of the West.
 * true. I've managed to retrieve more about Baha'i Journal UK (now we just need systematic naming and to use the new archive at BLO for all it is worth.) --Smkolins (talk) 10:43, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

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Jesus work group
Jesus work group, a work group of WikiProject Christianity, is inactive. I've boldly made it a joint work group of WikiProjects Christianity, Islam, and Bahá'í Faith in an attempt to revive it. Would anyone from this project like to join and revive the Jesus work group. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 23:58, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
 * what's the difference between a work group and wiki project? --Binaryhazard (talk) 04:14, 2 January 2016 (UTC)