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Ratings for WP:BANKSIA
The template WP Banksia produces the same quality ratings for this project as for the general WP:PLANTS, i.e. ratings using this template appear in the table at WikiProject_Plants/Assessment. However, looking at some of the articles, my impression is that the quality ratings for Banksia articles are rather low, compared tot WP:PLANTS as a whole. E.g. if it had a WP:PLANTS template, I wouldn't hesitate to change Ecology of Banksia from C to B. Am I over-impressed or is this project too harsh in its ratings? Peter coxhead (talk) 09:47, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * We only have a couple of members, so we self-assess, and when self-assessing it is wise to be conservative. With respect to ecology of Banksia, this article was written before Dryandra was merged into Banksia, so the ecology article only reflect the ecology of about a third of the species. I think it was downgraded from B to C at that time. Hesperian 11:21, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Agree with hesp - my rule of thumb is 'B' is fully sourced and comprehensive (i.e. striking distance of GA), C is with chunks un-inline reffed or some sizeable holes around, but cover most material...etc. Don't forget, many articles rate 'B' were rated before inline referencing was widespread and before there was a 'C' category, so many 'B's that are not fully inlined should really be Cs Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:11, 5 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I certainly don't wish to disagree with you two, and I now see the reason for a C for Ecology of Banksia. On the subject of B rated articles, I've skimmed some of those in WP:PLANTS (list here) and I agree that there are a few which are over-rated (e.g. Perilla was rated B until I reduced it to C). Compared to some other areas of Wikipedia, I think that plant editors are rightly quite tough, but we perhaps need to be careful not to get too tough. Peter coxhead (talk) 13:59, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Banksia neoanglica, Banksia spinulosa sensu stricto and Banksia cunninghamii
The taxonomy of this species complex is being discussed in this paper, with implications for a number of articles within the scope of WP:BANKSIA. -- Daniel Mietchen - WiR/OS (talk) 21:33, 16 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Ha/well spotted! - glad to see this come out. I've spoken with 3 of the 4 authors about it....now to go read.....Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:00, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

What's in (a) style?
I ran across this paper on style morphology while checking up on Banksia grossa: Ladd, Alkema & Thomson, 1996. It doesn't appear to be cited for any Banksia articles, and while microscopic carpel architecture may be a bit much for a typical Banksia article, the abstract suggests it discusses the implications for pollinator specificity as well. Choess (talk) 23:20, 2 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I did check that one before but it focusses on morphology at a very small level. I must have missed the bit on pollinators - I didn't think there was much on that but might have missed something useful. Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:57, 2 December 2012 (UTC)


 * I just saw the abstract, so if you've already seen it, there's probably not much to it. Choess (talk) 00:45, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

fyi
This discussion is of interest to this project: Categories_for_discussion/Log/2014_February_24. Cheers! --Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 23:04, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

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 * Folks, just letting you know we will not be proceeding with Wikiconference Australia 2015 originally proposed for 3-5 October 2015. Thanks to those of you who expressed your support. You are free to watch the football finals instead :-) Kerry (talk) 08:26, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

endangered woodlands
Banksia Woodlands of the Swan Coastal Plain has just been declared "Endangered". Hesperian 03:46, 5 October 2016 (UTC)
 * ....oh dear. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:31, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
 * we've been aware of the this threat for the last 9 years File:Menziesii threats 01 gnangarra.jpg Gnangarra 00:53, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

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Photo's
Planning some trips to get more photos, let me know if there is any specific you need me to shoot. Gnangarra 02:43, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Try speaking to me offline if you can - its obvious there are heaps of photoless one liners that need working upon... JarrahTree 12:32, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

On here is fine, would hate to think people thought this project was abandoned. If theres a specific article you are working on or planning to just list them here no guarantees but.... will try to get images when they are flowering. Gnangarra 12:44, 9 September 2019 (UTC)


 * At least there wasnt a banksia p..... items listed below have no photo and minimal text


 * Banksia_cynaroides - florabase gives potential current flowering and within reasonable distance
 * Banksia_cypholoba - florabase gives  potential current flowering and within reasonable distance


 * down south and more than an easy day drive


 * Banksia_alliacea -
 * Banksia_foliosissima -
 * Banksia_lepidorhiza -
 * Banksia_meganotia - later flowering

Probably about another hundred one liners from the full field that might be in flower in the short term, but have ot take into account the weather issues, some might be later or earlier... JarrahTree 12:58, 9 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Is there a specific species that is being worked up to GA/FA, I assume not all of these are going to be expanded at once Gnangarra 00:27, 11 September 2019 (UTC)


 * the list was not specifically looked at for GA/FA, one liner stubs with no photo - ie nothing to identify by photo or text or region or anything JarrahTree 00:29, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Any photos of anything would be good. the one that did not go to FA due to lack of photo was Banksia oligantha. I am happy to buff any that get photos. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:04, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
 * will run down to Wagin in 4-6 weeks so there is a good likelyhood of it being in flower, Gnangarra 11:56, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

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Banksia telmatiaea
Hi Folks its been while but thanks to Wikimedia Australia as part of another project I was able to revisit the site where the Banksia telmatiaea type species was collected by Alex George. Some of you may remember this one created a bit of a ripple that ended back with George due to the significant variance between the plant in Kings Parks propagated from seeds he collected to the plant in its natural location(as an side to that the plant wasnt in the KP banksia garden a couple of weeks ago). Back in 2007 during the FAC Featured article candidates/Banksia telmatiaea the question was asked by Melburnian why is this called the swamp fox banksia, in particular the "fox" aspect, there was no source that explained it for this or the Fox Banksia B. sphaerocarpa. I think a couple of these photographs demonstrate the reason for the "fox" component in the name as being from a visual characteristic dur the middle stages of flowering. Gnangarra 01:06, 12 May 2020 (UTC) Banksia telmatiaea

I think we could revisit the article and give it a spruce up, Margaret could you check the Noongar Bush medicine book I left with you to see what it says about Banksias, I doubt this species will be specifically named even though its found on Whadjuk Noongar country close to where Aunty Vivienne lives, though there should be something about using the banksia in general. Gnangarra 01:06, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Nice work Gderrin (talk) 01:31, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:31, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the great new photos - yes, I can see a resemblance to fox-tail shapes in the flower buds. But looking at the Banksia sphaerocarpa article it says: "Three weeks before the flowers open, the spikes develop a strong musky smell" I'm now wondering if the original "fox" reference was to this smell perhaps being thought to be similar to the musky smell of foxes? Melburnian (talk) 05:28, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I didnt notice any smell when taking photos but I wasnt specifically taking any notice either. Gnangarra 06:08, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Sirmuellera
While tidying up Banksia aemula for FAR-related reasons, I wound up looking up some sources and writing a new chunk of boilerplate for the spceis that were placed in this genus, as follows:

In 1891, Otto Kuntze, in his Revisio Generum Plantarum, rejected the generic name Banksia L.f., on the grounds that the name Banksia had previously been published in 1776 as Banksia J.R.Forst & G.Forst, referring to the genus now known as Pimelea. Kuntze proposed Sirmuellera as an alternative, referring to this species as Sirmuellera [epithet]. This application of the principle of priority was largely ignored by Kuntze's contemporaries, and Banksia L.f. was formally conserved and Sirmuellera rejected in 1940.

How do members feel about using this in the other articles about species that Kuntze placed in Sirmuellera? Choess (talk) 22:04, 1 April 2021 (UTC)


 * I can't see the point of repeating the same information about a genus name in every article about the many species. Kuntze is only briefly mentioned in the Banksia article itself. In some Banksia articles, we have long, repeated (and in my view boring) information about the taxonomy of the genus and little relevant information about the species itself, as in the Banksia acuminata article. Gderrin (talk) 22:37, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Note that this would be inserted into about 47 articles—Kuntze recognized Dryandra and so most species in the current circumscription of Banksia L.f. do not have synonyms in Sirmuellera that need to be explained. IMO, we need at least one sentence per relevant taxon article to explain why Sirmuellera [epithet] is in the synonymy of that taxon; this is not strictly about the genus.
 * The "boilerplate" above is adapted from what has already inserted into all the FA-class Banksia articles with a combination in Sirmuellera. I'm not averse to trying to slim it—I agree with your general point about not wanting to repeat genus-level information on every species page—but I'd like to hear him weigh in first, as it would involve trimming down a number of FAs. Choess (talk) 23:20, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
 * For FA-level comprehensiveness we've been keeping material like this on all species that were placed - despite it being a bit 'boilerplatey' it is in line with the comprehensiveness that has been expected of biological articles at FAC for several years now. So yeah my vote is to keep it in, sorry. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:51, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I've tried wordsmithing it down, but this is about as short as I could get it, although I welcome attempts at improvement. I'm going to gradually work through the taxa with a combination in Sirmuellera and add the appropriate variation on this, and make sure the synonym is in the taxobox and we have a redirect. I have tweaked Banksia a little; I think it's pretty well explained in more detail there.
 * As I have time over the next month or so, I'm planning to do a "recent lit review" like the one at Talk:Banksia integrifolia for other Banksia FAs to facilitate the FAR process. Choess (talk) 16:58, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Automated taxoboxes
Banksia taxa are were, as far as I can see, the largest single group of plant articles that still used manual taxoboxes. I have been working through them converting to automated taxoboxes (i.e. or  as appropriate). As far as I could I have retained the display of ranks between genus and species that were in the original manual taxobox, although Please adjust the taxonomy templates if you think my classification isn't right. Peter coxhead (talk) 16:49, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
 * the number present is inconsistent; some species articles only have the genus Banksia, others have up to subseries, series, section and subgenus (personally I don't think that species articles need all these)
 * the classification system used seems mostly to be George (1999), but not always; in taxonomy templates I have tried to keep to George (1999).


 * For the record, the taxonomy templates I needed to create or use to automate the existing taxoboxes are listed below. The classification is based on that in Taxonomy of Banksia, which I think is based on George (1999), unless otherwise noted below. The taxonomy templates need to have refs completed. Peter coxhead (talk) 08:08, 23 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Template:Taxonomy/Banksia subg. Banksia
 * Template:Taxonomy/Banksia ser. Dryandra – Mast & Thiele (2007)
 * Template:Taxonomy/Banksia sect. Banksia
 * Template:Taxonomy/Banksia ser. Banksia
 * Template:Taxonomy/Banksia subser. Banksia
 * Template:Taxonomy/Banksia subser. Cratistylis
 * Template:Taxonomy/Banksia ser. Crocinae
 * Template:Taxonomy/Banksia ser. Cyrtostylis
 * Template:Taxonomy/Banksia ser. Grandes
 * Template:Taxonomy/Banksia ser. Prostratae
 * Template:Taxonomy/Banksia ser. Quercinae
 * Template:Taxonomy/Banksia ser. Salicinae
 * Template:Taxonomy/Banksia ser. Tetragonae
 * Template:Taxonomy/Banksia sect. Oncostylis
 * Template:Taxonomy/Banksia ser. Abietinae
 * Template:Taxonomy/Banksia subser. Leptophyllae
 * Template:Taxonomy/Banksia subser. Longistyles
 * Template:Taxonomy/Banksia subser. Sphaerocarpae
 * Template:Taxonomy/Banksia ser. Dryandroideae
 * Template:Taxonomy/Banksia ser. Ochraceae – Thiele (1996), not in George (1999)
 * Template:Taxonomy/Banksia ser. Spicigerae
 * Template:Taxonomy/Banksia ser. Tricuspidae
 * Template:Taxonomy/Banksia subg. Isostylis
 * Template:Taxonomy/Banksia subg. Spathulatae – Mast & Thiele (2007)

Incorrectly italicized page titles
I'm aware that right now page titles like the one at Banksia subser. Longistyles are incorrectly italicized. They can be forced to be correct manually, as at Banksia subser. Banksia, but I am working on changes to which will fix this either automatically or in a simpler way. Peter coxhead (talk) 19:13, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ Automatic italicization now works for botanical names with connecting terms; it's no longer necessary to add any kind of manual italicization. Peter coxhead (talk) 17:24, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

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FAs last reviewed from 2004 to 2007 of interest to this WikiProject
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 * 1) Banksia epica
 * 2) Banksia ericifolia
 * 3) Banksia spinulosa
 * 4) Banksia telmatiaea

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