Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Basketball/Archive 1

Come opine...
...on this AfD: Articles for deletion/Amin Wright. - CrazyRussian talk/contribs/email 13:07, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Missing summary of NBA television coverage
There is no section in the NBA article about the NBA on television and I can't find a summary article either. There are huge numbers of articles about specific programmes, but what I was hoping to find (and other sports have) is a summary of the main contracts and what they are worth. Could this be added please, either to the NBA article or as a separate article? Merchbow 06:49, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Standardization
Basketball pages in Wikipedia currently have no or little standard. Even infoboxes aren't. Why don't we make this our first goal? Standardization of content a la Football project did? -- Howard  the   Duck  04:28, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * That's a good idea, are you thinking of something along these lines? WP:FOOTBALL K O S | talk 03:26, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Wht the football project did was great, and I'm hoping we can do that here, too. -- Howard  the   Duck  09:28, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm all for it. I think the first thing we should do is make a "to do list" to keep us focused on the projects' tasks that have a glaring need. Perhaps send out a few messages to the participants of the project and try and get a good discussion going on what to add to the to do list for now. Hopefully this will add some stability and organization to this project. Once we get a to do list created, I think we can focus on accomplishing the tasks at hand. Now I think a Basketball MoS is a good idea, and that might be something that we should collaborate on with the NBA project. K O S | talk 12:27, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, creation of standard infoboxes applicable for all leagues at all leagues is a priority. (We can use the hiddenstructure thingy). Another thing we need though, are more participants here. -- Howard  the   Duck  12:55, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm in the process of creating a to do list, with coding stolen from Esperanza's to do list. I don't promise anything pretty, but it will at least be something to work with. K O S | talk 13:12, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks. -- Howard  the   Duck  13:24, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * All finished, It is here: WikiProject_Basketball. I've gone ahead and added a few things to the to do list, just so it is not empty. By all means let us discuss what should stay and what should go, and what should be added. K O S | talk 13:28, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Should we give all the current project members a message on their talk page, try and get some more discussion going? <font color="#151B8D">K <font color="#7D1B7E">O <font color="#6D7B8D ">S | <font color="#461B7E">talk 11:16, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

NBA team section
I've made 6 tables, to organize the NBA teams in this section: WikiProject_Basketball I feel that will allow the project quick access to any of the NBA teams one might want to work on, not to mention it is more organized and just looks better. :) If anyone has better coding, or a more applicable table instead of the 6 I created please let me know. <font color="#151B8D">K <font color="#7D1B7E">O <font color="#6D7B8D ">S | <font color="#461B7E">talk 13:31, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Featured content
This is the only basketball-related featured content I can find: List of NCAA Philippines basketball champions. -- Howard  the   Duck  07:14, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Though this one is not featured it did pass GA, Talk:Kirk_Hinrich, perhaps this could be a article that the project could collaborate on to help reach FA status in the near future. <font color="#151B8D">K <font color="#7D1B7E">O <font color="#6D7B8D ">S | <font color="#461B7E">talk 19:32, 25 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I think I'll spam the listed members of the project and see if they are interested in being more active. <font color="#151B8D">K <font color="#7D1B7E">O <font color="#6D7B8D ">S | <font color="#461B7E">talk 19:32, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I did not leave a message for User:CATCHACODE since that user has not made an edit since March, 7th, 2006. <font color="#151B8D">K <font color="#7D1B7E">O <font color="#6D7B8D ">S | <font color="#461B7E">talk 20:24, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Basketball/Templates
Started this page. Hope someone helps out! :D -- Howard  the   Duck  11:49, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I've kinda tried working on a basketball team template - User:AndriusG/Sandbox/Euro bball team and here it is in action - User:AndriusG/Sandbox/BC Žalgiris, what does everyone think about it? What could be improved?  Andrius  15:21, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Can you modify it so that teams with no homecourts can fit in? Otherwise, great job! -- Howard  the   Duck  03:31, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

1951 basketball scandal
This sounds like good article potential, should anyone be interested. Biruitorul 23:38, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Box Scores??
Anybody want to start doing the 2006-07 NBA season like the FA Premier League and have box scores for the games? Might be a little much since there are so many games nightly in the NBA, but hey, this is Wikipedia. Here's some of the pages for the FA Premier to look at for an example: --Jaysscholar 07:24, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * FA Premier League 2006-07
 * FA Premier League results November 2006
 * FA Premier League results October 2006
 * I'll give it a try, but it'll be tough since there are so many games. Just H 04:38, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia Day Awards
Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 19:19, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Categorisation by playing positions
As far as I can see, there's no categorisation of players by position: would that be a good idea? More specifically, I note that the are getting very large, and by position might be a way of splitting them up. Alai 23:49, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Seems like a good idea, the football articles have those sorts of categorisations.  Andrius  07:21, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I was just coming here to suggest this, but I see I've beaten myself to it. D'oh.  OK, I'll go ahead and create these, in the hopes that hoopsfans will help out with populating them...  Alai 02:41, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

I've created these as subcats of. All help in populating same is very welcome. Alai 19:35, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

National team templates
I'm planning to create template shortcuts like USAf or USAc. Since some "b" sports are taken over by bandy, I'm planning to name them USA-b. But I'll need help since there are a lot of countries. For example, USAf has the following code:


 * [[Image:Flag of the United States.svg|px]] USA

We'd just replace "soccer/football" with "basketball", although some articles names are <Country> national basketball team, some are named <Country> men's national basketball team. -- Howard  the   Duck  11:58, 20 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I've created some already; everyone is invited to help. -- Howard  the   Duck  16:46, 24 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I've mentioned this in Howard's talk page, but I have created a generic template bk that can be used for all FIBA teams. There is no need to create and maintain a collection of single team templates.
 * For example, instead of, you would write   to achieve the same result.  Also, since "bk" is built on top of the same system as the familiar flagicon and flag templates, all of the features of those templates are present.  For example, you can add a second argument to create a historical flag variant, if you choose, such as   to render .  You can use a nation's full name instead of three letter country codes if you want.    and   both produce.
 * I hope this helps your WikiProject! Andrwsc 18:28, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah I get it now, you won't need to create other templates anymore? Then you can go ahead and speedily delete those templates. -- Howard  the   Duck  03:08, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I have just deleted all the "XXX-b" templates, and the handful of pages that had used any of them have been updated to use the parameterized bk template instead. Andrwsc 21:51, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Request Amendments on WikiProject Basketball Userbox
Although this is just an aesthetic matter, I think we should adopt the all- orange colour for the entire Userbox without any white areas. It is a matter of pride to have our colour (very similar to the colour of basket ball) and will certainly be a more attractive logo. Incidentally the Basketball Userbox was missing in the list found here: [WikiProject Userboxes / Sports] But I have now added it for better visibility for our group -- Werldwayd 08:29, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, go ahead and do it. -- Howard  the   Duck  08:32, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually I am not that well-versed in designing of templates. I'd rather leave it to a professional's hand just for the fear of messing it up. Incidentally I see you have adopted the orange colour yourself LOL -- Werldwayd 08:42, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I think the basketball is color brown... although the FIBA ball has white strips. -- Howard  the   Duck  08:47, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Is anybody here?
Is anybody still working this?? If so, lets get a To-Do List going and put some work in.--Jaysscholar 16:17, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It is rather quiet here, have you had a to do list made? I didn't see one. <font color="#151B8D">K <font color="#7D1B7E">O <font color="#6D7B8D ">S | <font color="#461B7E">talk 03:26, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Make it very very very quiet LOL .-- Werldwayd 09:09, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Portal:Basketball
FYI, all the monthly content for Portal:Basketball is all showing up as redlinks. Is there anyone from this WikiProject that wants to take on putting something there? (I'm also cross-posting this at WikiProject College Basketball. -- Big ΔT  20:46, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Infobox Basketball Player
Why there is not any Infobox Basketball Player? In the wikiproject page it appears, but it is empty. I think an infobox for not NBA basketball players should be created, it could be like the NBA one, but without draft. MontanNito 19:44, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * If all you're going to do is take off the draft, then it's pointless to creat a new one. Just use the NBA, and just don't put a draft. The draft stuff is optional on the template. You could just rename the NBA player template to Basketball Player and add an option for league if you really wanted to. --Jaysscholar 01:49, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Some leagues do have draft and if I add a draft, it'll go directly to the NBA Draft page. -- Howard  the   Duck  06:32, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Request for comment: Numbers in sports
From WikiProject Mathematics and WikiProject Numbers, we request your input on the following guidelines for sports facts included in articles about numbers (quoted below). For example, should the article about the number 23 include Michael Jordan's jersey number? How about the jersey number of a famous hockey player for whom the number was never retired? How about the #23 draft pick for the LA Lakers? I've also included the guidelines for NASCAR as an example of how the guidelines for a specific sport might look like. Knotslip12 20:12, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Numbers

Numbers in sports
"Numbers that appear in the official rules of the game, such as the total number of players per team, number of game partitions (e.g., 9 innings in baseball) are worth mentioning in the number articles."

"A record is worth mentioning if it is from a Major League player, or if it appears in the Guinness Book of World Records. Be sure to indicate the year the record was set in order to facilitate removal when a new record is set."

"In sports where the number on a player's shirt is not determined by the position he plays, only numbers that have been retired by a Major League team are worth noting. But if a player's number is determined by the position he plays, this probably falls under the rules of the game consideration above."

NASCAR numbers
"Car numbers of teams that have won the Daytona 500 or the NEXTEL Cup Series championship are worth noting in the articles on the corresponding numbers."

WikiProject Basketball and WikiProject NBA
What role does this WikiProject fill which can't be done under the guise of the NBA Project? I do not wish to kill this off before it starts Wikifanatic, but could you please let us over at NBA WIkiProject know what you see as being the different roles. Thanks. Harro5 04:53, 24 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Basketball isn't just an American sport. In recent years, it has extended all over the world, particularly in Europe.  Thus, a WikiProject whose purpose is to explicitly help NBA-related pages technically (and in this case, in actuality, at least for now) will not edit other basketball-related pages.  So this project has a point.  But as a member of the NBA Project, I think this project, on the surface, seems to be almost in competition with the NBA Project.  I think it would be much more effective (and much less repetitive) to merge these two projects, either by moving the entire NBA Project under the Basketball WikiProject, or expanding the scope of the NBA Project to include all things basketball.  I favor the second implemention simply because the NBA WikiProject has more members, but this WikiProject Basketball has a more accurate name.  Of course, this argument is effectively nullified by the current outline of this Project's purpose, so I would hope that you would either expand the scope of either Project to cover all aspects Basketball, or merge the Projects.  Regards, King 21:47, 24 October 2005 (UTC)


 * I would remember you that even more NBA teams are signing players from European leagues, so the importance of Europe is growing year after year. And, remember, in all sports, the American way isn't necessairly the best, d'you remember the last Italy-Dream Team match? Spectacular isn't synonimous of good, not necessairly. By the way, if someone will create templates for European/non-NBA basketball teams I think I could add Italian basketball teams. necronudist 22:36, 4 November 2005 (UTC)


 * What about this template? You can see it properly compiled here. The translation (for me) is very simple...let me know! --necronudist 16:56, 5 November 2005 (UTC)


 * It should really be Sports > Basketball > NBA. &brvbar; Reisio 15:59, 29 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Let's do it then. Make Basketball a descendent project of Sports and make NBA a descendent project of Basketball. gurulegend 05:38, 30 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Is this still going to be done? --MC 21:04, 15 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Hello? What's the answer to this? Should there be a message left about this on user pages of WikiProject Basketball and WikiProject NBA members? (I would but I don't know how to do this) Otherwise work will just be duplicated. And since I am a member of both, I'd rather have NBA a subproject of Basketball. &mdash;MC 21:32, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It does not appear to be an active idea anymore, perhaps this is something you might want to link at the NBA projects talk page. <font color="#151B8D">K <font color="#7D1B7E">O <font color="#6D7B8D ">S | <font color="#461B7E">talk 13:29, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Inspired by some heated discussions here, I have now created "Areas of Interest" for WikiProject Basketball mainly based on elaborate categories at: dmoz Open Directory Project Basketball section, just to demonstrate how an NBA WikiProject will not be able to cover at all, as it remains fixated on one special league in one special location (United States) with a single additional team in Canada. I also join my voice to Gurulegend in proposing to make NBA a part of the WikiProject Basketball. I would also be willing to stick by a compromise that the Basketball area abstains from all NBA coverage for now so as not to trespass on the eforts of the NBA Project. We have so many areas as is, we may welcome the notion of being spared the huge task of following the NBA teams -- Werldwayd 12:37, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Difference Between The Two Projects
Could there be a merger of the two projects? It isn't a big deal, just curious. Just H 04:37, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The NBA is for the NBA only; while this one comprises the Euroleague and every basketball league outside the NBA, even the NBA can be included here, too. -- Howard  the   Duck  14:13, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * NBA is the NBA is the NBA. Regardless of the strength of that league, it is admittedly a limited part of the basketball movement. Basketball is something much more universal and not confined by any particular league, however dominant. Here are what NBA and an NBA WikiProject cannot cover at all (and it is not a matter of just the Euroleague!). Matters totally out of the scope of an NBA WikiProject would include subject matter on FIBA, the Olympic Basketball events, Basketball World Championships (that includes U21, U18 etc), National Basketball Teams, continental leagues (Euroleague, African, Asian, Latin American tournaments etc) and regional leagues (Caribbean basketball, pan-Arab championships, WABA, ASEAN), hundreds of country basketball leagues in almost every country. An NBA WikiProject cannot furthermore cover adequately basketball even within the USA. How about the WNBA? How about other professional leagues in the States (ABA, CBA, many others etc), college basketball (NCAA and lower NCAA basketball leagues 1,2 and 3, NAIA, JUCO) and amateur basketball leagues all over the country. Furthermore it is only a universal basketball WikiProject that can tackle for example wheelchair basketball, streetball, water basketball, mini-basketball, recreational basketball, history of basketball, rules of basketball. Need I go on? Coaching techniques, playing techniques, basketball injuries and health issues, travelling teams, church leagues, YMCA Basketball, GLBT basketball, ethnic and religious basketball leagues (e.g. Chinese-American league, Native American leagues, Muslim basketball, Jewish American basketball....). I propose in case there will have to be a merger, that NBA WikiProject joins WikiProject Basketball, or the truly universal WikiProject Basketball can take over all basketball matters and specifically and intentionally exclude for now the narrowly specialized NBA project regarding all matters NBA. This way there will be no overlapping in purposes. We can live with a duopoly - Basketball General and NBA Basketball in two separate WikiProjects -- Werldwayd 09:52, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I suggest merging these two projects and deleting the NBA project. The NBA project clearly does not to exist. This project already overlaps the NBA project. Also basketball isn't just about NBA, there are college leagues and many international leagues. If like this, there should be many other projects about different leagues such as WikiProject college basketball or WikiProject Euroleague or something. Creating a WikiProject on the NBA is clearly US biased. All the members in the NBA project could be a member of this project after. Brave warrior 00:24, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Let the NBA wikiproject continue, just as we have a TV wikiproject and an EastEnders wikiproject. One encompassing wikiproject and one or several daughter wikiprojects. -- Howard  the   Duck  03:09, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

What to do about Barry Bonds?
Hello again from WP:NUM. We are wondering about Barry Bonds. Do you think the article about the number 700 should mention Barry Bonds's record? PrimeFan 18:59, 7 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Wrong sport, sport. I've transcribed to talk page for WP:BASEBALL. Anton Mravcek 20:36, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

More about women's basketball
More needs to be written about women's basketball as part of this project. Shruti14 ( talk • contribs ) 23:06, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

User:Jaranda/Notabilty (sports)
Hi, I strongly recommed this project to give your notabilty guidelines for a new notabilty proposal that I'm creating on my userpage, once it is completed, I will move to wikipedia namespace for the community to decide. Thanks Jaranda wat's sup 23:01, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Proposed deletions (WP:PROD)

 * 6 September - expires 11 September
 * 1992 in basketball ( PROD by User:TexasAndroid; currently has only a single item, a film, listed. ) --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 01:17, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

EuroBasket infobox
Hi. I've created an infobox to be placed on the articles of every EuroBasket edition (if possible). You can see an output example here. What do you think about it? What changes/additions do you suggest? I'd like this infobox to be implemented in the future. Thank you. Parutakupiu 12:58, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Can you make it universal so that the other 4 intercontinental championships may use it? -- Howard  the   Duck  13:10, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, I think I can. In fact, my first idea was to do exactly that, in order to have only one infobox template for all continental tournaments. But then I preferred to start small and see what you people thought. But I'll try to code it for the remaining championships.
 * What about the statistics section. Do you find them useful? Should I add any other statistic to it? Suggest, please. Parutakupiu 16:51, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * OK, what I did was create individual subpages to the infobox template page to store headers specific for each continental championship (Africa, Americas, Asia, Europe and Oceania), then depending on which value you give to the <tt>continent=</tt> and <tt>year=</tt> infobox parameters, it calls that subpage and displays the appropriate header in the infobox. Parutakupiu 19:00, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * The only statistics that are valuable for me are the MVP, points, rebounds and assists. Can you also apply this to the world championships? I dunno if the Olympics people can allow this to be applied on their pages. -- Howard  the   Duck  15:02, 8 September 2007 (UTC)


 * So you think steals and turnovers should be dropped? Oh yes, I forgot about the WC; will work on that also. As for applying this on Olympic basketball tournaments, I'm not sure. It's like they're not an isolated sporting event of their own, but part of an Olympic Games. You could ask that on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Olympics. Parutakupiu 16:33, 8 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I think those 2 should be dropped, since they're not that many, and it is tough to look for stats in historical tourneys. -- Howard  the   Duck  16:57, 8 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Done! You think we can "officialize" the infobox? What name do you propose? Can't figure one that can be short but specific enough. Parutakupiu 17:37, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * How about Template:FIBA tourney? -- Howard  the   Duck  04:28, 9 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Hmmm... Infobox FIBA tourney? Yeah, it sounds good. I'll move it then. ;) Parutakupiu 18:08, 9 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Can you remedy something? Since all tourney logos are all vertical, is there a way to prevent the infobox from being stretched vertically without using --? -- Howard  the   Duck  03:46, 11 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, I limited the image height to 250px. You agree or smaller is better? Parutakupiu 15:09, 11 September 2007 (UTC)


 * It was actually worse, see FIBA Oceania Championship 2007, the infobox goes into the scores so it's obscured. If the logo can either be made smaller or if some infobox parameters can wrap with the logo, it'll probably solve the problem. -- Howard  the   Duck  00:06, 12 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, it seems to me that that is an article-specific problem. That article has less content (prose and sections) than similar ones and it even doesn't have a table of contents (TOC) which usually pushes sections downward leaving more space for the infobox. As an example, I've forced the TOC to appear on that article and the infobox no longer superimposes the scores. If you don't like this, all I can do is decrease the maximum image height. Parutakupiu 00:14, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

International Leagues
I think it'd be great if we can increase coverage on some international leagues/clubs/players. I've been trying to create some articles for them, but all I'm really capable of doing is creating stubs. The French Wikipedia has some great articles on their basketball clubs that would be good to translate, but I don't read French, myself. I made a stub for the Swiss league yesterday. A lot of the basketball coverage here is really US-centric. matt91486 17:28, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, quite a handful of people are updating their own articles (including me) but there is currently no unified system of what to do, unlike the NBA project. -- Howard  the   Duck  17:35, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * That's wonderful that there is some others working around it; I figured there must be at least a few others, but because of the lack of an apparatus, it's really hard to tell - do you think there's a way we could try to centralize and organize work on it? matt91486 19:22, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Someone has been posting the WikiProject banner on the talk pages, however, there is no centralized basketball MOS and templates. I've tried imposing my will >:) on using some templates and they're mostly successful and has been emulated on other pages, such as the recent intercontinental championships articles. However, other pages that look rather fine and not hideous when templates aren't used I just leave them as is. -- Howard  the   Duck  13:09, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Basketball players, coaches, etc. work group
There is now a proposal at WikiProject Council/Proposals for a group which would work specifically on articles relating to biographies of individual players, coaches, and other related individuals. Any parties interested in working with such a group are encouraged to add their names there, so we can see if there is enough interest to start the group in earnest. Thank you. John Carter 13:21, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Tony Harris
I've put together an article for the late Tony Lee Harris, but I've run into a problematic source. A press release for a Cyprus team claims to be about Tony Lee Harris, but it's obviously not his picture, and may be Tony Dwayne Harris. Some of the information seems to pertain to Tony Lee, though, and conform with the news reports generally. There's also a third Tony Harris! All are African-Americans, but with distinctly different appearances. Weirdly, the LatinBasket.com site seems to show this third guy's photo for the team that Tony Lee was supposedly signed to. How accurate is LatinBasket? Where do they get their info from (like, could they just have pulled the wrong one from somewhere, or do they get it from the team)? What other sources might there be? What to do about the Cyprus press release? (A Portuguese or even Spanish speaker would be helpful in gleaning from regional media.) Input at Talk:Tony Harris (FIBA basketball). --Dhartung | Talk 03:31, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It seems that the "Tony Harris" mentioned in the news lately is Tony Lee Harris. -- Howard  the   Duck  03:33, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, yes, but I'm past that question. The article doesn't have to have anything more than from current press sources to meet WP:N and WP:V, and without his career it's just less WP:ENC than it could be, so this isn't necessary to pursue. But it's passing strange that these sources from before his death seem to overlap or introduce uncertainties as to which Harris is meant. --Dhartung | Talk 09:05, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * The ex-Celtic is notable, I dunno about the other Tony Harrises. -- Howard  the   Duck  11:29, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * From what I can tell, they have all played for professional teams, but I can't be certain that all those teams are in "fully professional leagues" per WP:BIO. It certainly seems so, but I don't follow international basketball. --Dhartung | Talk 00:35, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * If they played in other countries' leagues after 1989, more than likely it is a pro league; if they played in other countries' leagues before 1989, they're technically "amateurs" but they were paid a lot. -- Howard  the   Duck  16:13, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Hungarian League
Is the Hungarian pro league not a part of Euroleague? I haven't located the article for it on here if it exists; if not, does anyone else know enough about the league to see if we can put one together? matt91486 (talk) 04:08, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

2007-08 Miami Heat season
Not a member of the project, but I thought I would bring to your attention that this page needs serious attention. There is only 1 game on the game log.LessThanClippers (talk) 00:58, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The Heat bandwagon is empty... :D Also, you can try WP:NBA, they're the more specific wikiproject for this article. -- Howard  the   Duck  05:48, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Help request: GA backlog
Hello. There has been a large backlog at the Good Article Nominations page for a while. Since most of my editing is in the Sports and Recreation category, that is the area that I am currently focusing on. To try to cut down on the backlog, I'm approaching projects with the request that members from that project review two specific articles over the next week. My request to WikiProject Basketball is to try to find time to review Matt Hardy and Joe Delaney. If these are already reviewed by someone else or you have time for another review (or you'd rather review something else altogether), it would be great if you could help out with another article. Of course, this is purely voluntary. If you could help, though, it would help out a lot and be greatly appreciated. The basic instructions for reviewing articles is found at WP:GAN and the criteria is found at WP:WIAGA. I recently began reviewing articles, and I've found it fairly enjoyable and I've learned a lot about how to write high quality articles. Best wishes, GaryColemanFan (talk) 17:29, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Russian Super League
The current article on the Russian Basketball Super League only deals with the Division A, not Division B. Do you think Division B should be given a separate article or somehow incorporated?>  The same question would extend to the Russian High League, which is also currently article-less. matt91486 (talk) 22:23, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Templates with red links/2008-Jan-Basketball
Greetings. Thought I'd bring your attention to our project for identifying red links in templates. Note that there are still many, many basketball-related templates in the long list of unsorted templates at Wikipedia:Templates with red links, so anyone interested in picking through those and relocating basketball-related templates to the specialty page will be well-appreciated. Cheers! bd2412 T 08:13, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

WNBA Taskforce
While reviewing some articles, I noticed that the WNBA player's articles are not organized well and not uniform. I am interested in joining or starting a taskforce to organize and uniformize the information on these articles. Can anyone help? TexicanG (talk) 07:16, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Help with Team GB article
Hi there, I have been slowly trying to improve the article on the Great Britain national basketball team. If you guys could help clean it up, and add a national team roster template as well (where do they come from?) it would all be much appreciated in the world of British hoops. --Differentgravy (talk) 19:15, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Articles flagged for cleanup
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Depth Charts
I believe that depth charts are very arbitrary. Players are often substitued in for positions and in different orders contrary to they way they are listedin the depth chart. Having the rosters is good enough. NBA rotations are much more complicated for a wikipedia editor to decide. It requires too much original analysis and opinion, especially when articles should be objective. —Preceding unsigned comment added by No compassion (talk • contribs) 17:03, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Support. NBA rotations are too fluid for us to neatly sort players in this manner. Zagalejo^^^ 18:14, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Support Depth charts give trivial information, as well.--<font style="background:#FFCC00;">Crzycheetah 21:56, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Against. I think the depth charts should be there. The roster templates give no indication whatsoever of the importance and role of each player in the team. Frankly i think removing this for the reason listed here is very anal retentive. Also this is an NBA related discussion nothing to do with the Euroleague and now we have people applying this to that and it's not even for that. Apollon Hellas^^^ 08:06, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Depends. It must be sourced. NBA.com and Y!Sports has depth charts. -- Howard  the   Duck  13:18, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Against. Several of the biggest US sports sites have depth charts. As long as they are kept up to date by someone they absolutely SHOULD be a feature. Euroleague Sucks^^^ 13:20, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Support. Due to rotations in basketball depth charts are useless and starting lineups are usually changing. For example if you check some players' stats in NBA you'll see that they have started in like 40 of their 82 games. So this makes depth charts needless. Sergiogr (talk) 09:46, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Against. Depth charts are useful, despite what is being said here by some. Wiki Greek Basketball (talk) 13:00, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * How do you expect to maintain the depth charts? Many NBA teams will go through twenty or more starting lineups in a season. Zagalejo^^^ 19:15, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Once again the issue of laziness for reasons to make less info on wiki rather than more comes up. Not everyone is lazy. Depth charts should only be on a team that will have a few people maintain them. I have yet to find a depth chart on a team page that is not being maintained by a few people. I also do not understand why this issue of NBA depth charts is being applied to teams from every pro league on Earth. Certain members are deleting depth charts from leagues a whole world away from the NBA.

This issue is about NBA depth charts and not even pertinent to that, so why is the NBA issue being applied to leagues on the other side of Earth? Also, I would point out that depth charts are arbitrarily being singled out for deletion for certain teams only, while on the other hand, they are being allowed for dozens of other teams. In other words, a few people demanding them to be deleted is outweighing dozens of people that keep adding them in and a few people on each team page that has them, that are maintaining them. This discussion is simply a bit bizarre.

It would only be logical to delete depth charts per team as you see them if they are somehow completely egregious or completely out of date or somehow totally not being maintained. But to want properly maintained and properly updated depth charts to be "banned permanently" from the site simply because you may not agree with them, may not like them, or simply because you do not want people to see it, or simply because you have an issue with a player lower on the depth chart occasionally playing in a different spot seems to be a personal issue to me, not a universally site governing issue in even the least slightest way. Wiki Greek Basketball^^^ 16:54, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Of course, I believe the depth charts should be removed at every team page. I only mentioned the NBA because that's what I'm most familiar with, but I doubt the situation will be much different with other leagues.
 * It's not a matter of editors being too lazy to maintain these charts. The problem is that these charts are fundementally impossible to maintain. Basketball coaches change their rotations every game to take advantage of matchups. You can't neatly organize these players the way you think you can. Zagalejo^^^ 23:32, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * So literally about 3 people on wiki that want depth charts gone simply for the 100% completely biased and totally individually speculative reason that "no wiki editor is capable of handling them" are going to outweigh the dozens of people that are in fact already handling and properly editing the depth charts. Right. You don't have a leg to stand on. And if your best argument is that the depth charts can change once in awhile based on rotation changes and injuries and such, then you are completely out of touch with this subject. Because in that case player positions, player boxes with positions listed, player pages with positions listed, and certainly player roster templates, listing player rotations ALL must also be deleted. Because they too then are incorrect and "no wiki editor can possibly manage them". They too change EXACTLY AS OFTEN as depth charts change and they too are also "entirely arbitrary" then. Since uniformity is always cited as the goal of the sports sections, then dually note they must all also be deleted if you want depth charts deleted. Otherwise kindly add double standard wherever a few editors see fit to the guidelines.

So all roster templates should be deleted form this site also. After all, if a player is listed in a roster template as a point guard and plays a game at shooting guard then based on your argument for why depth charts have to be deleted then so to ALSO should the roster templates be deleted. While we are at it, why not just delete all the basketball team pages form the site as well? Seems that "no wiki editor can possibly manage them properly." Wiki Greek Basketball^^^ 19:32, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The thing is, we have sources describing the rosters and the player positions. What source are you using for the depth charts? You can't rely on your own judgement; that would violate WP:OR. I know some sites have depth charts, but they generally don't keep those up to date. Zagalejo^^^ 01:47, 28 August 2008 (UTC)


 * In the first place this what source am I using thing is out of line. There are many, many people here putting and editing depth charts and your insistence on making this personal is getting over the top, besides that you are not using any sources either and the roster template argument you make is simply wrong or you choose to make up your own facts as practically every roster template has errors on a weekly basis so if you ever feel the need to make an argument that actually makes sense, please do so.

On another note Sergiogr (I don't want any guff from any mods about directly using his name here with threats of "against site rules" because he has personally threatened and insulted me numerous times and the mods NEVER EVER do anything about it so at what point do they ban people that actually deserve it? Does it ever happen?) is trying to cause problems in this site out of spite or personal issues and who knows how many people he does this to. The only reason I even got into this discussion was because I went to a page of a team that had a depth chart and it had an error in it. I fixed it and immediately I was attacked with an all out barrage of attacks, insults, reports to mods, and dozens of my edits being reverted, not to mention some hateful messages by Sergiogr. Not to mention an incredibly immature "Depth charts are BANNED and NOT ALLOWED!" message. Consider me 100% till the end of time in favor of depth charts from that moment on. I cannot stand wikipedia net Nazis and we have a prime example of it here. It turns out this depth charts issue is bringing them out left and right. And to anyone that threatens me with another "I'll report you" which I keep getting, and the mods method of simply deleting a message complaining about it, know ahead of time I have been keeping a very detailed log of the hundreds of site violations by Sergiogr and this will be submitted if I get banned, not only that but also the name of the banning moderator to show how they banned legit contributors, yet allowed this Sergiogr to be so ridiculously out of control. I am very put off by what is going on here.

I once made an edit to something like adding the height of a basketball player and he threatened me. I once updated the team a player played on and he attacked and threatened me, I could go on and on. Not to mention the insistence that users are always the same people or the most absurd of all that ANY person editing the Panathinaikos related sections is "an out of control fan boy" and should be banned. One of the most glaringly blatant reasons these depth charts have issues is because of people like this being allowed to run rampant all over this site with never ever being stopped. Like for instance constantly reverting pages like dozens of times an hour. Gee imagine that "the depth charts are outdated", then saying things like "see they can't keep the depth charts up to date". I have seen this guy literally revert a page 50 times in an hour because he was furious that "someone from my hometown had something posted about them that I personally am unaware of". The list is endless. He's probably had 20 people banned from this site over things as simple as well, let me say here he recently had a hissy fit over a date being changed from October 15 to October 15th, yeah I've been watching him like a hawk and it's just hundreds of examples like this and he's done it to numerous people and they were banned.

Maybe just maybe instead of people spending their whole time in this site thinking up ways to "ban" things they should spend it stopping people that keep reverting things a million times. Would that be a little more constructive? I've made so many contributions here and I can't hardly make the simplest edit without having a mod all over me because I keep getting reported on as being "an out of control fan boy", etc. I'm sorry but this kind of thing is absolutely ridiculous. And on this NBA issue you don't even "know the other teams or leagues" and you are complaining incessantly and on an on about depth charts of teams and leagues you admit you know nothing about. That's borderline crossing the line of discourse here.

Not one person has even given a slightly legit reason for depth charts to be "banned" in the first place. The best you can come up with is, "they are arbitrary", "editors are not mentally capable of handling them", and "it's data that can possibly change". At this point I am strongly considering spending a bunch of time to go through the histories of all the sports sections to see just how much vandalism and how much wiki Nazi editing has been going on here, because it's starting to look really suspicious to me. The mere fact that you are backing up this Sergiogr guy and acting like he's some legit editor, when he's one of the most abusive people on the site, really is telling to me, that you are then trying to dictate what is and is not allowed here. You haven't even been able to judge a blatant harasser and vandal like him properly.

I just spent a lot of time working on fixing two team's depth charts. I can 100% assure you that there is nothing at all wrong with them and at this moment they are much more accurate than the roster templates on the pages. Now if this would be allowed to be continued they would be fine as they can be constantly updated, but guess what? it's impossible to do that when people like Sergiogr revert the ENTIRE PAGE EVEY SINGLE TIME they see ANYTHING AT ALL they don't like, and will do it literally a hundred times if needed. And if they get say 3 or 4 people trying to add info in and they can't revert it all because of that they simply report "abuse" to a mod that is a friend and have all 3 or 4 users banned. Now you tell me just exactly you deduct in your mind that is an example of "editors not being able to handle depth charts", because I am really extremely curious to know just exactly how you deduct in your mind that that's what that is. Wiki Greek Basketball^^^ 05:26, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not interested in keeping up this debate. Just do want you want; I don't care anymore. But I do want to clarify one thing: I haven't "taken Seriogr's side". I was opposed to depth charts long before interacting with him, and my only message on Sergiogr's talk page was to tell him I was going to put the Spanoulis page on my watchlist. Zagalejo^^^ 18:33, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Solution
Yahoo! Sports maintains a depth chart for each and every NBA team. Cite it from there and you're done. It doesn't have to be true, it only has to be cited. No citation = good bye depth charts. – Howard  the   Duck  14:09, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * On depth charts for the dozens of non-NBA pro leagues (and many teams right now have them) I think the policy should be that as long as they are being maintained and updated they are fine, right now I have been looking at them and found many and they are all pretty much current and updated and being maintained. I think it would be completely natural to either remove or update one that was quite old or completely wrong. But I'm not really finding ones that are. Also cbs.sportsline.com also has NBA depth charts so that could also be used as a source for NBA ones if someone wanted to attempt one for an NBA team, for example Houston Rockets depth chart.

Wiki Greek Basketball^^^ 15:06, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Wait a second... so you're admitting that you're relying on original research for the European team articles? It seems like you were wrong about the depth chart here. Maybe you're mistaken about other things.
 * Look, you don't need depth charts to explain a player's role on a team. Minutes per game is good enough, and it's objective and verifiable. Zagalejo^^^ 19:05, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Jason McElwain
For anyone interested, Jason McElwain is now a GA nominee. Any help in making sure it meens GA standards is much appreciated. -- Mr.crabby   (Talk)   02:52, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

National teams
Should the title "national basketball team" refer to the men's national team while women's teams are called "women's national basketball team"? It seems a bit sexist to say that the Australia or any other national basketball team only refers to men. Should we create a disambiguation page for "Australia national basketball team" with links to men's, women's and any other teams (like U-19 etc)?--Thomas.macmillan (talk) 17:43, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Do what the football (soccer) articles do. That's the best solution, IMHO. – Howard  the   Duck  17:49, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * As far as I can tell, football (soccer) does the same male-preference format that basketball does (see England national football team for example). The only soccer team that is gender-neutral is the United States national soccer team, which is a disambiguation page. I'd prefer this format--Thomas.macmillan (talk) 19:58, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually the United States national basketball team was formerly a dab page but I redirected it to the men's team page since if you say "United States national basketball team" it automatically refers to the men's team. – Howard  the   Duck  14:10, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * But isn't that assumption precisely the problem? Technically speaking, both men's and women's senior national teams are the US national basketball team. I think all "X national basketball team" pages should be dab pages.--Thomas.macmillan (talk) 15:20, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Carlos Burgos
Is anything in the Carlos Burgos article legit? He's certainly not playing for Central Florida. Zagalejo^^^ 17:46, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Gene Keady coaching tree - expert eyes required
Hi there - is anyone available to take a quick look at this article? I just declined a speedy on it but I am not sure what the connection between the coaches listed in it is. It may be some kind of original research/synthesis or on the other hand it may just need someone with expert knowledge to write a better lead section. Over to you!. Kind regards, Nancy  talk  09:54, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
 * For some reason, basketball coach articles sometimes have a coaching tree/paragraph section. See James Naismith for example. – Howard  the   Duck  11:30, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Ahh, I see, thanks - perhaps soemthing of an explanation as to what a "coaching tree" is should be added to the Gene Keady coaching tree article to avoid puzzlement for duffers like me? Nancy  talk  11:38, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I think there should be an article on a coaching tree is, but I thought it was pretty self-explanatory (it's like a family tree of sorts). – Howard  the   Duck  13:42, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

French don't understand Basketball rules
see here ^-^y Yug (talk)  07:00, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Mike Maloy
Hello there Basketballers! I have just created an article on the recently deceased Mike Maloy, who played as a pro in the ABA and in Europe. However, I am not a basketball fan (sorry!) and so my knowledge is at a minimum, and any help improving the article (including more categories and a proper, basketball-specific infobox which can list his pro stats) would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks, GiantSnowman 16:09, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Looks like a good start. I added a little bit more, but I'm sure the article can be expanded further if someone wants to look through some old newspaper and magazine articles. Zagalejo^^^ 20:12, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

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Lance Stephenson
I started an article on Lance Stephenson. It was nominated for speedy deletion. He's a McDonald's all-american, and a high school basketball player that has been on the radar for since he was a freshman. Could someone help me with the article?Racingstripes (talk) 23:38, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Its no longer up for speedy deletion. I'm not too sure how to advance the article though.Racingstripes (talk) 05:38, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Xavier Henry
I created an article for Xavier Henry. He is the top High School basket ball player, that's going to play for Memphis next year. Much like the Lance Stephenson article it was put up for speedy deletion. Could someone help me out?Racingstripes (talk) 00:17, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I restarted the article. You can add to it. If someone tries to delete it, let me know. Zagalejo^^^ 07:38, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Rich Perez
Someone from here might want to look over the article on Rich Perez and comment at the afd, Articles for deletion/Rich Perez, it'd be useful for those of us with less of a clue to help voice an opinion. Ta. Hiding T 11:46, 30 March 2009 (UTC) Never mind, sorry, I got that entirely wrong, person was a baseball player. My bad, Hiding T 15:01, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Category for deletion
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usabasketball.com
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John McAdams
I saw enough references in the Google archives to pull this one out of the speedy queue, but it needs help. - Dank (push to talk) 04:00, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Notable association?
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United States men's national U19 team
The FIBA Under-19 World Championship 2009 starts this coming Thursday in New Zealand. I was wondering if an article should be started for the U19 national basketball team, as there is for the U19 and U23 United States national soccer teams. Music+mas (talk) 21:44, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Place it under the U-18 article; the U-18 and U-19 teams are virtually the same, the U-19 team competes the year after the U-18. – Howard  the   Duck  02:31, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I can't seem to find the article you mentioned. Could you point me to it? Music+mas (talk) 20:03, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You can create the U-18 article and redirect the U-19 to it. – Howard  the   Duck  03:53, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay Music+mas (talk) 16:03, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

FIBA Under-19 World Championship 2009 squads page
I've started a page for the squads for the FIBA U19 W Championship 2009 (men's) as one of my user pages. I'm going to transfer the article into a full-fledged Wikipedia article once it's finished. I was wondering if anyone wanted to help me create this. You can find the page at User:Music+mas/FIBA Under-19 World Championship 2009 squads Music+mas (talk) 20:25, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

New Infobox
I have created a new infobox (Template:Infobox NBAretired‎) for retired players because the current one is just not cutting it, yes it is very similar to Template:Infobox NFLretired, but I believe that it is way better than the current one. There are still many errors, like the link to stats and things like that, so if anyone could fix that it would be great. Please leave any suggestions or comments here about what you think about it.--Yankees10 (talk) 01:03, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I used it recently - for a retired WNBA player, so I hope it works fine in that case. I added it to the list of templates.-- SPhilbrick  T  22:08, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Succession boxes versus navigation templates
I fear I may be abusing the language, because a succession box is a type of navigation template, but I think people know what I mean. I read somewhere that the use of succession boxes was preferred to navigation templates. I've searched, and I can't find the reference. While succession templates may make sense in some cases, I think in the case of awards, such as Naismith award, the navigation template is far better - better looking, more information using less real estate, and more useful to the reader. There are some cases where I would like to replace a succession box with a navigation template. Specifically, Associated Press Female Athlete of the Year. Before I do so, I'd like to hear from someone if this is a bad idea. -- SPhilbrick  T  22:32, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Use them both. – Howard  the   Duck  12:57, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The reason I ask is that I wanted to put templates in a collapsible nav box called awards and achievements when the number exceeds five. For example, Candace Parker. One of her achievements is her Associated Press Female Athlete of the Year award, but that's a succession box. I tried an failed to get the succession box inside the collapsible nav box, and that why I wondered if I should convert it to a nav template. If someone can tell me how to get the succession box inside, I can live with that - it looks odd as it is. (Presumably, it is possible, as in Micheal Jordan, but that's a different type of box, I couldn't figure out how to accomplish the similar goal with Parker)-- SPhilbrick  T  14:27, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * You can do it, there's a template for collapsible succession boxes, I just dunno what is it, but it can be done. – Howard  the   Duck  11:48, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Are there enough articles on this subject to justify an Outline of basketball?
Here's a discussion about subject development you might find interesting.

The Transhumanist 00:07, 29 July 2009 (UTC) P.S.: See Wikipedia's collection of outlines at WP:OOK.

National Alliance of Basketball Leagues
Can not find a major site for this league and the wikipage has no sources. Could do with some attention if anyone has some time. Thanks BritishWatcher (talk) 01:26, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

08 Stockholm Human Rights article
I'm assuming that as this isn't the NBA project, you will cover international basketball!

I have expanded the above article using a couple of sources I found, but I don't read Swedish, so I am limited in what I can do! There were a lot of references to the club using Google Search (2990 hits for "08 Stockholm Human Rights"), so there may be many more suitable references, which others may be able to use.

I have the impression from what I have seen that this is a very notable basketball club, so I think it would benefit from more knowledgeable editors looking at it and improving it.

In particular, I am not at all sure that the Merit List section is correctly translated and formatted - perhaps a Swedish basketball fan might be able to improve this.

To be honest, I only came across the article as it had the tag with no date on the tag, which is a category  of articles I often look at to find references. It now has the tag.

Regards, --  Phantom Steve  ( Contact Me, My Contribs ) 09:10, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Infobox - why no Championships?
Someone just tried to add a championship to an awards and honors section of an infobox. IMO, a championship is a notable accomplishment, but is neither an award or an honor. I started to move it to the appropriate section, then realized that InfoBox NBA and Infobox WNBA do not have an entry for championships, even though NCAA athlete has such a distinction.

Is there a reason for this difference?

I'm tempted to make a change, but my experience with templates is limited - I'm chary of making a change to a commonly used template and finding I've messed up a transcluded template used in many places. Not to mention that I'd hate to go to the effort, and find out there was a conscious decision to exclude the championship entry, and have the work reverted.

If it does make sense to add an entry for Championships, is there someone more familiar with template construction who can help?-- SPhilbrick  T  11:00, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Basketball Template and Call for those who Can and Want to Write about Philippine Basketball
I want to create a template for basketball team rosters of Liga Pilipinas, a regional league in the Philippines, but the only templates available are for PBA rosters, and I do not have any idea or clue about creating templates. Now my questions are: What should I do now, and How do I create a template... Please I need your help... Thank you very much!! Also is there anyone here who writes about Philippine basketball?? Just want to ask.. Thank you po.. BULARAN (talk) 03:36, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

GAN backlog reduction - Sports and recreation
As you may know, we currently have 400 good article nominations, with a large number of them being in the sports and recreation section. As such, the waiting time for this is especially long, much longer than it should be. As a result of this, I am asking each sports-related WikiProject to review two or three of these nominations. If this is abided by, then the backlog should be cleared quite quickly. Some projects nominate a lot but don't review, or vice-versa, and following this should help to provide a balance and make the waiting time much smaller so that our articles can actually get reviewed! Wizardman 23:39, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Indonesia men's national basketball team
Hello there! I just wrote an article on the men's team of Indonesia. It may still be considered stub-class, but I'm still thinking if it can be categorized along with all the other Asian teams, and besides, I don't know how to add that template.. Please help.. Thanks!!

BULARAN (talk) 06:17, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Wait I'll add them for you... – Howard  the   Duck  06:25, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks.. ^_^ BULARAN (talk) 06:44, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Convert template fixed
has fixed the convert template for conversions from ft-in to cm. Previously, the default setting of the template yielded conversions like The default conversion now is
 * 6 feet 1 inch (190 cm), 6 feet 2 inches (190 cm), 6 feet 3 inches (190 cm), 6 feet 4 inches (190 cm) etc.
 * 6 feet 1 inch (185 cm), 6 feet 2 inches (188 cm), 6 feet 3 inches (191 cm), 6 feet 4 inches (193 cm) etc. -- JN 466  09:20, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Player height in the template--"official" or "actual"?
I see a lot of edits where a player's height in the player template is changed without explanation or a cited source. Sometimes this is trivial vandalism, sometimes it's based on something else, and in some cases it can get quite contentious.

Without doubt, the height used in the template should be based on a cited source (for example Basketball-Reference.com). But what of a situation such as Hakeem Olajuwon and Bill Walton, where a highly reliable source (in this case, a 1994 The New York Times article) reports that the listed heights for these players were intentionally misstated? The skinny on Hakeem Olajuwon is that he was taller when he was Akeem Olajuwon. He used to be a 7-foot center, when he played for the University of Houston and for many of his years here with the Rockets. He never looked seven feet. In fact, when he played against the Boston Celtics in the 1986 finals, he appeared to be dwarfed by Bill Walton, who was listed as 6 feet 11 inches. Walton was 7-2, at least, but didn't enjoy the stigma that went along with it. Asked that year why he looked so much taller than Olajuwon when he was supposed to be one inch smaller, Walton said, rather testily, "The floor's warped." About the time Olajuwon corrected the world on the spelling of his first name, he also admitted he was closer to 6-10. My own inclination is that the height used in the player template should usually be the "official" height stated in the cited database (7'0 for Olajuwon, 6'11 for Walton); conflicting reports about actual height can be footnoted and/or discussed in the article (as is currently done in the Olajuwon article but not the Walton article). But the answer is not obvious. I'd appreciate opinions. --Arxiloxos (talk) 16:56, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I've also posted this question at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Basketball Association--Arxiloxos (talk) 18:09, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow, I've always believed Hakeem was a 7-footer, and the article you cited was from 15 years ago(1994). In any case, I think that official pre-draft measurements should be the listed height for all NBA players. Or at least the ones that are listed at DraftExpress.com's measurement page. It dates back to 1989, and probably should be used to cite the official heights for all players that came into the league after the year 2000. DD2K (talk) 14:20, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Larry Coon's Wikipedia page
Hello, I've recently added a Wiki page for Larry Coon. My experience in creating articles on Wikipedia is limited and if more experienced Wiki users who know that Larry Coon is one of the most cited Salary cap experts can expound on the article, that would be great. Thanks. DD2K (talk) 14:24, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Book-class
Since a couple of Wikipedia-Books are basketball-related, could this project adopt the book-class? This would really help WikiProject Wikipedia-Books, as the WP Basketball people can oversee books like 2008–09 Michigan Wolverines men's basketball team  much better than we could as far as merging, deletion, content, and such are concerned. Eventually there probably will be a "Books for discussion" process, so that would be incorporated in the Article Alerts.

There's an article in last week's Signpost if you aren't familiar with Wikipedia-Books and classes in general. If you have any questions just ask. Thanks. Headbomb {{{sup|ταλκ}}<sub style="margin-left:-4.0ex;">κοντριβς – WP Physics} 01:03, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Correction of a name
Hello, please note that the real name of Thomas Van Den Spiegel is Tomas van den Spiegel: so his page should be corrected. --El cestofilo (talk) 22:53, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. Thanks! Zagalejo^^^ 03:10, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

About merging the PCC and CCL page and changing PCC to Philippine Collegiate Champions League
Maybe somebody could just merge the PCC and CCL page and change the name to Philippine Collegiate Champions League since it is the present name of the tournament and the organizers still refer to previous tournament editions and it was mentioned at the broadcast that the league is on it's 7th year. It could just contain the info that the league was previously known as CCL and PCC. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.57.45.90 (talk) 08:01, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Jim Usevitch
For someone unfamiliar with your projects notability guidelines and basketball in general, would someone be able to check it this article meets them? Cheers, SGGH ping! 12:09, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 * It seems like he was an important contributor with a good college program, and Israel has one of the best pro leagues outside the US, so I think he's notable enough. When I get a chance, I'll try to add a few sources. Zagalejo^^^ 20:48, 28 December 2009 (UTC)