Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Basketball/Archive 5

ESPN Rise boys' high school basketball All-Americans
To the best of my knowledge the people who formerly named the ESPN Rise boys' high school basketball All-Americans, have moved to HighSchoolHardwood.com now that ESPN HS has been closed. I believe that the first team selections here are the continuations of this award. Any feedback? How do we rename the article?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:30, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Tyler Haws
Please note that the article Tyler Haws has been nominated for deletion under WP:PROD. Prayerfortheworld (talk) 12:03, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Not anymore, I just removed the PROD. Haws is clearly notable in my opinion, but in the least if someone thinks he isn't they need to put it through a proper AfD discussion. Rikster2 (talk) 12:10, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Rules of basketball FIBA - polish help
Hi! I'm the coordinator of the WikiProject Basketball at pl-wiki: link. I've created pictures, which can be useful. You can use these pictures. At en-wiki is not much articles about FIBA rules. You can use my pictures about officials' signals (for example File:Błąd 8 sekund.jpg), table officials (for exapmle: File:Stolik.JPG, File:Elektryczna SPP2.JPG), court (for exaple: File:Półkole pod koszem.PNG, File:Środkowe koło.PNG, File:Linia autu.PNG), diagrams (for exaple: File:2-1-2 wysoko.JPG) and scoresheet (for exaple: File:Protokół.jpg). Maybe that will help you to create new articles about FIBA Baskteball rules. :) If you have any question to my pictures, ask me here. More pictures you can find here: . Official FIBA rules are here: . Best regards  Mariusz Swornóg   ( talk ) 12:10, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

U16, U17, U18, U19, WUG medalboxes in infoboxes
I know that we have decided not to make Navboxes for age-qualified national teams, but we have consistently mentioned them in text and I see a lot of inconsistency on their inclusion in medalboxes in infoboxes. Has there been a consensus on this anywhere? I put the 2013 U19 gold in infobox medal boxes for Jahlil Okafor, Aaron Gordon, Jarnell Stokes, Marcus Smart and Rasheed Sulaimon. I am now questioning whether I should have.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:52, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Note 2013 WUG is currently ongoing.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 07:10, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Other articles to which I have added these medal boxes include Jabari Parker, Andrew Wiggins and Nik Stauskas.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 07:08, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
 * These medal boxes for tournaments that FIBA themselves actually organize, such as those named "FIBA Under-xx World Championship" can be left alone. Dunno about those for the Universiade. – H T  D  19:13, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't know what left alone means. Some players have them and some don't.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:38, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
 * "Left alone" means status quo. – H T  D  13:02, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Task Force on women's basketball
I'm gathering feedback for the possibility of starting a Task Force on women's basketball, with the intent that it would be a task force of WikiProject Women's sport as well as WikiProject Basketball (and maybe college basketball). I've read WikiProject_Council/Guide/Task_forces, but I did not see whether one is supposed to get permission from the Wikiproject to form a task force, or if one should be bold and just do it. I posting this as a third way - if someone identifies that I am required to get permission, I'll start that process, if I do not hear back soon, I'll be bold.-- SPhilbrick (Talk)  14:20, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
 * If formed, an issue to tackle is the outstanding issue regarding the WNBA task force brought up before at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Basketball/Archive4.—Bagumba (talk) 00:04, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I added an announcement there.-- SPhilbrick (Talk)  19:19, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject Basketball/Women's basketball has been created. I haven't yet added it to the Wikiproject pages, but will do that, however, I wanted to let you know it exists, and has some suggested tasks. SPhilbrick (Talk)  19:20, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Portugal
I've just noticed that Associação Académica de Coimbra – basketball didn't have a Talk page or WP Basketball tag. As the football and rugby union projects have also been notified WP Basketball may be interested in related move at Talk:Coimbra Academic Association. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:17, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Matches quantity unposted data
Matches quantity is a useful data in basketball tournament, it is part of Template:Infobox international football competition and Template:Infobox Rugby World Cup, 2002 FIBA World Championship was a 54 matches sport event 2006 FIBA World Championship and go on is a 80 matches/games event, Women or Men are each a 38 games event in the most recent Basketball at the Summer Olympics, more games mean more tv-money and more ticket to sell, "| matches =" 38?80? must be part of the Template:Infobox FIBA tourney--Feroang (talk) 22:03, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Less than 100 articles to "One infobox"
All- Over the last few years we have been migrating over all players to Template:Infobox basketball biography, which has helped bring consistency to pro player articles and enable quick transitions as active players move leagues & geographies. A few actions that have occurred over the last several years include: Merging of Infobox:PBA player, adding team colors for Euroleague, PBA and NBL Australia clubs, and conversion of the vast majority of current Australian NBL players to the standard infobox. We now stand at less than 100 players using Template:Infobox NBL player (full list here). After these are converted, we will have essentially 100% of male pro basketball players on the same infobox (not including a few incorrectly using "sportsperson," "college" or other boxes). I'd like to ask for help in converting the last set (see link above) to the standard. I can convert a few a week, but it will be faster if others chip in. Thanks and good job everyone! Rikster2 (talk) 06:34, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Just one more call for assistance. I have completed about another 25 conversions since I last posted.  Would love any help as we are now under 70 conversions left.  Thanks! Rikster2 (talk) 15:10, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
 * New count = 44 left on NBL infobox. Would love some assistance converting these and getting to closure.  Thanks! Rikster2 (talk) 14:34, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Going to take a stab at re-writing the Project Page
All-

The project page is outdated and a bit clunky, plus it includes a lot of NBA information that is really covered in WP:NBA. I am try to re-write it this weekend. Please feel free to make any edits, but it has been difficult to get much conversation going here so I figured it would be easier to put something out there and let people react. Thanks. Rikster2 (talk) 12:07, 22 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Go for it. You have a good sense of what this project is about and I doubt much (if anything) of what you'd write and format would be controversial. I've been pseudo-toying with the idea of re-working the WikiProject College Basketball main project home as well, but unfortunately I just don't have the time right now to attempt it. Jrcla2 (talk) 13:08, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

2005–06 Polish Basketball League
The section at 2005–06 Polish Basketball League needs to be reformatted into something other than the hiddeous mess the wikitext source is. I'd rather not spend my time unpicking that into a handrolled table if your project has some standard way of presenting things. Particularly as I know nothing about basketball and so might misunderstand something when reformatting. Cheers, Thryduulf (talk) 11:01, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Improving two templates
I've created two potential replacement templates for so that if the parameter sex= is set to w, not only will it change the title as it does now, but also that it will suppress the weight column. Those interested in the use of the template for men's team are likely to have no interest, other than to confirm that it won't break any of the existing men's articles.
 * CBB roster/Header and
 * CBB roster/Player


 * F
 * 1
 * Glenn Robinson III
 * 66
 * 210
 * FR
 * St. John, IN
 * St. John, IN
 * St. John, IN


 * }

It appears to me that the results are identical. One minor challenge is that I had to add a new parameter to the Player template. I checked in case someone used the template and entered "sex=" to ensure that it properly reproduced the men's version:


 * }

Of course, the point is to do something different if the sex is set equal to w (or other likely values):


 * }

I plan to move the sandbox version into the main version, but I wanted to post here first, in case anyone has any concerns. I have not yet updated the documentation, will do that shortly.-- SPhilbrick (Talk)  18:42, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I've now updated the templates, and the documentation, as well as adding the sex=w parameter to the Player template for 79 articles. If I have missed any, please let me know.-- SPhilbrick (Talk)  14:14, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Jose Vargas
Looking for some direction for disambiguation please. There is a former Dominican national team player with this name, and a current Venezuelan national team player with the same name. What is the typical method for differentiating them on basketball articles, I have very little experience with this. Thank you.18abruce (talk) 23:45, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
 * You can use birthdates, if both are available. That seems to be the most common method of disambiguation in cases like these. Eg, Dee Brown (basketball, born 1968) and Dee Brown (basketball, born 1984). Zagal e jo^^^ 00:21, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/JMU Women's Basketball
This article has been waiting more than two weeks in the Afc. Would anyone like to review it? &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 20:57, 4 September 2013 (UTC) ...Never mind, it's been declined.&mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 23:07, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Please weigh in on proposal to migrate college players/coaches to Template:Infobox basketball biography
There is an ongoing discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College Basketball. Please weigh in and help achieve consensus on this matter. Thanks! Rikster2 (talk) 14:54, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

"George" Zidek
Looking at George Zidek, today known in Europe as commentator Jiří Zídek Jr, son of Jiří Zídek Sr., the use of his name from 3 years in America 1996-1998 looks strange. This isn't a case of someone who became a US citizen like hockey player Bobby Holík, but of someone who had a green card for 3 years then went to play in Europe under his Czech name. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:45, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Standardization of 2014 FIBA World Cup articles
Perhaps after the EuroBasket (during the off-season before club seasons begin) is the time we can standardize articles related to the 2014 FIBA World Cup, including qualifying tournaments. Things such as colors that are used, when to use those colors, sections and their titles, article structure, any daughter articles and the like. The eventual goal is for all world and continental championships (men, women and under-X) to have identical (or at least standard) formatting.

At the present most of the articles look different. If we standardize them it'll be great. – H T  D  15:17, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

George Zidek
has been requested to be renamed -- 70.24.244.158 (talk) 09:34, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

"Category:Basketball players from Chicago, Illinois" - up for discussion
Please help reach consensus Categories for discussion/Log/2013 September 22. Thanks Rikster2 (talk) 17:01, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Liaoning Flying Leopards
Hey, could anyone help me with the Liaoning Flying Leopards? I can't find anything that states that they have changed their name to Flying Leopards. For the Liaoning team, there are so many names going around: Jaguars, Hunters , and Dinosaurs (not sure where Dinosaurs comes from; again, I can't find anything for Dinosaurs either). At Eurobasket.com, the history has nothing about any of these names except for "Hunters":. Does anyone know anything about the CBA? Could anyone share some light on this issue? Cheers. DaHuzyBru (talk) 06:14, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Dinosaurs does seem to be the name frequently used i.e. Li Xiaoxu or Josh Akognon. Where does Hunters, Leopards and Jaguars come from? Are they all the same team, just different names over the years? DaHuzyBru (talk) 06:14, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
 * FWIW, 2013 FIBA Asia Championship squads does use "Dinosaurs". – H T  D  13:50, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Category:Parade High School All-Americans nominated for deletion
Category:Parade High School All-Americans (boys' basketball) and Category:Parade High School All-Americans (girls' basketball) are currently nominated for deletion. If you are interested in contributing to this discussion, please go to Categories for discussion/Log/2013 October 22 and do so. Rikster2 (talk) 17:32, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Ivan Cruz-Uceda
Hello basketball experts! This article has been waiting a long time for a review. Can anyone help? &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 20:21, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Looks like it was declined in July as non-notable. As of right now I'd agree with that assessment.  However, he has signed with the Miami Hurricanes for this season - if he has a great year there he may meet GNG. Rikster2 (talk) 20:24, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Discussion on capitalization issues
Hello.

There is a discussion on capitalization issues in another project that seems to affect this project.

HandsomeFella (talk) 12:17, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Category:NBA Finals MVP Award winners
Category:NBA Finals MVP Award winners, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 21:28, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Category:NBA Defensive Player of the Year Award winners
Category:NBA Defensive Player of the Year Award winners, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 21:28, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Category:NBA Slam Dunk Contest champions
Category:NBA Slam Dunk Contest champions, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 21:28, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Category:National Basketball Association scoring champions
Category:National Basketball Association scoring champions, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Liz <b style="color:#006400;">Read!</b> <b style="color:#006400;">Talk!</b> 21:28, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Walk-on, or not?
Normally, a player is either a scholarship player or a walk-on. (In fact, it is common to use the term "walk-on" as if it means non-scholarship. even though the player may have been recruited, may have even received a scholarship at one time, but is no longer receiving a scholarship.) Our templates have the ability to identify players who are walk-ons. What should be done when a player is a walk-on and they are on scholarship?

Briana Pulido is, the real sense of the word, a walk-on for the UConn basketball team. She was on scholarship as a track and field athlete, but responded to a tweet looking for walk-on players. She made the team. She has given up track and field, and is on scholarship. Should she be identified as a walk-on or not?

I have identified her as a walk--on in the roster at 2013–14_Connecticut_Huskies_women's_basketball_team. I just now read she is on scholarship, so wondering if I should change her status. It may be relevant that a reliable source refers to her as a walk-on. Is it that simple, and her status should be changed iff reliable sources change?-- S Philbrick (Talk)  21:14, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
 * if she is now using a basketball scholarship then she should not show as a walk-on on the current roster. She should show as a walk-on in any seasons where she did not use a scholarship. Rikster2 (talk) 21:43, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

2013 McDonald's All-American Boys Game
I could use some assistance rearranging 2013 McDonald's All-American Boys Game. See my comments at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_College_Basketball.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:50, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Basketball standing templates
What is the process for updating these templates? I looked at two at random, and it looks like they are being updated by random editors who choose to update them. I was wondering if there was some organized approach or if it simply is whoever sees the need, updates it.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  17:44, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Depends on who's up to it... – H T  D  15:14, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Australia women's national wheelchair basketball team at the 2012 Summer Paralympics
I am looking for FAC reviewers for Australia women's national wheelchair basketball team at the 2012 Summer Paralympics Hawkeye7 (talk) 22:15, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

College Basketball Navigation Templates
Please join the discussion at the College Basketball Wikiproject for forming a consensus on the creation of a basic navigation template for college basketball teams. CrazyPaco (talk) 09:15, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Please contribute to a discussion on amending MOS language with respect to date formats
Hello - there is currently a discussion underway at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers to come to a final resolution the way dates for club tenure in infoboxs are displayed (e.g. - with a club from 2001–2007 or 2001–07). If you have an opinion one way or the other, please take part. The value in coming to a final resolution (either having language added to allow 8 digit date spans for this purpose or expressly forbidding it) is that it would provide certainty to these cases and stop needless reverting of this format one way or the other. If you do take part, please be sure to ground your arguments/opinions in fact, Wikipedia precedent and real world examples as opposed to preference only as this will help the project make the right call. There are thousands of articles (touched by thousands of editors) that use summary club tenure information in infoboxes, so there is clearly an advantage to settling it in a clear manner so all can comply. Thanks! Rikster2 (talk)

RS needed for Isreali league signee
According to this tweet and this non-RS DeShawn Sims signed in Isreal to play for Galil Gilboa. I think he is currently playing professional basketball there. Can anyone help me find WP:RS.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:51, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Check out this. – H T  D  17:24, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
 * We would be better off with a release about a signing, but archiving the roster is sufficient, I guess.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:23, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Serbian league signee?
Someone edited Darius Morris by adding KK Partizan without a WP:RS. I removed as unsourced.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:00, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
 * There has been a lot of weird Partizan activity lately - the same thing was happening with Scott Machado's article about a week ago which seemed to come from this Tweet. I checked their their official site (which has an English version - though the news stories usually lag a few days from the Serbian version).  And since Partizan is a Euroleague club I checked the Euroleague transactions page.  Not finding anything there I went to Sportando.net's transaction page and still nothing.  My guess is that Partizan is shopping for a guard and people are reacting to rumored signings in some Serbian-language press.  I would just revert/undo these until there is a legit source (such as those I linked). Rikster2 (talk) 18:41, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Robelyn Garcia
Hello again, basketball experts! This article waiting for a review at Afc may be of interest. &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 03:30, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

College stat templates
I was looking for a template to create a table of stats for a college basketball players.

I notice that the college stats of Juwan Howard are presented with an NBA template. While I cannot think why that would be a problem, I wanted to check to see if there was a template designed for college.

I was also surprised, in a small quasi-random sample of notable college players Jimmy King, Jalen Rose, and Michael Jordan, how few had college stats. It seems like an obvious inclusion, is it less likely when they are better know as pros, or am I missing something?-- S Philbrick (Talk)  23:53, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I assume most of the college stats of players from the pre-internet era are hard to find? Unless you're Mike... – H T  D  08:36, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I have added college stats to some articles (such as Dionte Christmas), but there isn't a hard and fast format so far as I know. Division I men's college stats are easy to find for pretty much anyone from about 1996 to now through sites like statsheet.com (blacklisted on Wikipedia for a questionable reason) or [|sports-reference.com].  For anyone who has played in the NBA since about the late 70s/80s college stats are usually present at the bottom of the player's basketball-reference.com profile.  Otherwise, they are often (though not always) found in school media guides.  Worth noting that lower division, NAIA or junior college stats are usually pretty hard to find.  Not sure if women's stats are as easy. Personally, I'd love to see college stats on every player article, there just is so much else to do and I have found creating stat tables quite time-consuming (and tedious). Rikster2 (talk) 19:37, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I made Basketball box score header several months ago which was supposed to be used as a header for basketball box scores. Box scores everywhere are surprisingly almost universal; the only deviations I encountered were 2FG instead of FG (2s and 3s), BS (blocked shots) and BA (blocked attempts), and the use of dashes and slashes on shots made/attempts.
 * We could like make the NBA template the default one though... – H T  D  20:12, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

If anyone's up to it, the FIBA archive also has stats for almost all of the recent tournaments. Here's Lebron's stats in the 2012 Olympics, for example. – H T  D  10:31, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Basketball notability guidelines
Just a note that there is a list of "fully professional" ice hockey leagues that essentially confirm notability (found here). This is consistent with the list for football/soccer and the is an increasingly easy standard for baseball as well. At what point does adding leagues to the basketball standard (which IMO should probably at least mirror hockey as it is a higher profile world sport) take something less than an act of god and/or reams of research? Just food for thought. Rikster2 (talk) 19:16, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Here is a link to the current notability standards for basketball: NBASKETBALL. Ridiculous that leagues like the Greek and Turkish leagues don't meet notability standards when compared to some of the leagues in the hockey and footy lists. Rikster2 (talk) 19:19, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not that knowledgeable about those other projects, but I think we should stick with GNG as much as possible before adding to NSPORTS. Think WP:NOTBUREAUCRACY, and keeping rules to a minimum.  If not having it in NSPORTS is causing a major identifiable problem (e.g. lots of stubs being contested on people later found to be notable), I'm all for adding to NSPORTS if say 3 identifiable sources for that league can be shown to pretty much consistently cover all players in that league.  For the NBA, that might be local team's newspaper, ESPN, and Yahoo. The real test is for players who didn't play college basketball, as most college players talented enough to play professionally have enough notable coverage from HS + college alone, and their hometown papers are likely to follow their overseas career somewhat.—Bagumba (talk) 00:00, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Why not limit automatic notability on any league (amateur or professional) that has a national TV contract on a network that is accessible to most people (VHF/UHF/basic cable)? – H T  D  08:35, 29 December 2013 (UTC)