Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Big Brother/Archive 3

Serious revamp for Big Brother (TV series)
I think the main article for the show could use a rewrite or cleanup to comply with Wikipedia standards. The article is currently approaching 80Kb and needs to be trimmed down or some sections split. I will use the "Variations in Format" section as an example. It currently lists like a trivia section.

Here actual variations in the format:
 * There are six special pan-regional versions of Big Brother. All these follow the normal Big Brother rules with the exception that contestants come from different countries in the region where it airs:
 * Africa: Angola, Botswana, Ghana, Kenya, Malawi, Namibia, Nigeria, South Africa, Tanzania, Uganda, Zambia and Zimbabwe.
 * Balkans: Bosnia-Herzegovina, Montenegro and Serbia
 * Middle East: Bahrain, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Oman, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Syria and Tunisia.
 * Pacific: Chile, Ecuador and Peru.
 * Scandinavia: Norway and Sweden.
 * United Kingdom: Great Britain, Nothern Ireland and Ireland
 * In France and Canada, the format has been developed using couples. Twelve single people stay in the same house until only the winning couple are left.
 * Big Brother USA currently uses a different set of rules that began with the second season (the first season used the traditional format). Nominations are done by one houseguest, the Head of Household (HoH) and the houseguests vote for which nominee to evict, not the viewers. The third season introduced the Power of Veto, where a houseguest can save a nominee causing the Head of Household to name a replacement nominee. It's been adapted in Brazil and Africa and since then some countries modified their nominations rules.
 * In 2004, the fifth German edition was the first version to run for 365 days consecutively. In this season, the contestants were separated into three teams (rich, regular, survivor) and equivalent living areas. The ultimate winner got a prize of 1,000,000 €.
 * Also in Germany a new version of the show started: Big Brother - Das Dorf (Big Brother - The Village). It was the sixth season and started the same day season 5 ended. This was the first version supposed to run for years (without a predetermined end). It was set in a small artificial village including a church tower, a marketplace, 3 houses, 3 working areas (farm, car garage, dressmaking and later a small hotel, where celebrities from the real world could move into), a matcharena, a pub and a fitness room. The season ended after 363 days in February 2006 because of low ratings. In season seven RTL II switched back to a traditional version.

These are just season/series twists that really doesn't place much affect on the general format used by each country:
 * In the third UK series, Big Brother set live tasks for the housemate on a Saturday night in order to win treats. This format was discontinued in the fifth series due to poor ratings. This format has been used in Australia in the form of Friday Night Live.
 * The fifth UK edition introduced the "Evil" touch, whereby the character of Big Brother became almost a villain. Big Brother was establishing punishments and was proposing hard tasks and secret tricks. This was also seen in Australia, Belgium, Bulgaria, Canada, Croatia, Finland, Greece, Italy, Netherlands, Pacific, Scandinavia, Serbia, Spain, Thailand, Philippines, and Mexico.
 * The sixth UK series introduced secret missions where housemate would be able to win luxuries if they completed a secret task set by Big Brother.
 * In the seventh UK series, Big Brother became "twisted". Every week, housemates mental states were put to the test as Big Brother tried to break them. As a result of this many housemates broke down and one even threaten to commit suicide.
 * The eighth UK Series saw an all-female house however 3 days later 1 male housemate entered
 * The UK series alway opens with a twist which have included First Night Nominations (BB4), Transexual enters & Suit Case Nominations (BB5), Unlucky Housemate 13 (BB6), Big Brother Hood & Person suffering From Tourette (BB7), All Female House & Twins enter (BB8), Jackie Stallone is Announced to be Entering (CBB3), Non Celebrity Enters (CBB4) and Jade Goody and Family are Announced to be Entering (CBB5). Many countries have followed opening night twists such as Australia and the United States.
 * The fifth UK edition introduced "Fake evictions" where 1 or 2 housemates are "Evicted" however unbeknown to the housemates they have in fact not been evicted. the housemate/s usually are put into a secret house where numerous twist happen. in the eighth UK Series one housemate was evicted, interview then sent straight back into the house however the housemates in the house got to see all of the interview live.
 * The eighth American season, introduced "America's Player", a houseguest that is given assignments, unknown to the other houseguests, through votes from the viewing public. Included in the public voting is which nominated houseguest America's Player should vote off and campaign to get evicted.
 * The third Dutch edition introduced the notion of "The Battle", in which the house is separated into a luxurious half and a poor half, with two teams of housemates constantly fighting for time in the luxurious half. Separated houses have also been used in Australia, Denmark, Germany, Greece, Italy, Norway, Poland, Scandinavia, Slovakia, Spain, Sweden, and the UK. Australia, Italy and Mexico added punishment zones to their houses.
 * The fourth Greek season introduced a new element: the mother. In Big Mother nine housemates take part in the game with their mothers, with whom they must coexist during the contest. The "mamas" were not able to win the prize but they would stay with their children until their eviction. However, this proved to be a failure with the shows audience and the show switched back to the traditional Big Brother format in mid-season.
 * Introduced in the fifth season of the American series, several countries have included twins, and in some cases triplets, in their shows. Usually, the siblings enter the show as one Housemate, and after making it to a certain point in the game, they split up as individuals. Series that have used Housemates who are twins or triplets are:
 * USA, 2004, Adria Montgomery-Klein and Natalie Montgomery-Carroll, 7th (Natalie) and 8th (Adria) Evicted, Used Name: "Adria".
 * Australia, 2005, David and Greg Matthew, 14th Evicted (David) and Winner (Greg, although the prize money was split), Used Name: "Logan" (Middle name of both Twins).
 * Bulgaria, 2006, Lyubov, Nadejda, and Vyara Stancheva, 7th (Nadejda) and 9th (Vyara) Evicted, Winner (Lyubov), Used Name: "Vyara".
 * UK, 2007, Amanda and Sam Marchant, 2nd Place (Both were treated separately until Day 68 when they became one).
 * France, 2007, Marjorie, Cyrielle and Johanna Bluteau, Winner (Marjorie, as she was the only one eligible for the grand prize).
 * Spain, 2007, Conchi and Pamela De Los Santos, 2nd Place, Used Name: "Rosa".
 * Poland, 2007, Aneta and Martyna Bielecka, 4th Evicted (They were discovered as twins), Used Name: "Martyna".
 * Philippines, 2007-08, Baron and Donnie became a 2-in-1 housemate, considered as one entity until an appointed time when Big Brother had the pair split-up. Donnie: 5th evicted, Baron: 1st ejected, Used Number: 7
 * Philippines, 2007-08, 26K girls of Kapamilya Deal or No Deal Jen and Marylaine, 1st Evicted, Used Number: 8

Not even twists just trivia information:
 * The Voice Graph system in BB Argentina, BB Australia & BB Germany.
 * The seventh season of Big Brother Australia focused upon environmental issues, the house fitted with rainwater tanks and a majority of the furniture being built entirely from recycled materials.

See what I mean, if the section "Variations in format" actually included just the major variations in format it would be much smaller and take up less room and wouldn't sound like a trivia section. How does Australia's house for BB7 constitutes it being a format change? If we actually go through the article and re-write or cleanup a lot of the sections we can reduce the file size. Also since Big Brother USA doesn't have public voting the introduction could be re-written so it fits all Big Brother's and doesn't exclude any.

Original Lead Big Brother is a reality television show. In each series, which lasts for around three months, a number of people (normally fewer than fifteen at any one time) live together full-time in a "Big Brother House", isolated from the outside world but under the continuous gaze of television cameras. The housemates try to win a cash prize by avoiding periodic, usually publicly-voted, evictions from the house.

New Lead

Big Brother is a reality television show. In each series, which lasts for around three months, a number of people live together full-time in a "Big Brother House", isolated from the outside world but under the continuous gaze of television cameras. The housemates try to win a cash prize by avoiding periodic evictions from the house.

The new lead doesn't mention that normally fewer than fifteen at any one time and usually publicly-voted. By not having usually publicly-voted the lead is now written to describe all Big Brothers. More specific details like voting should be included in the Format and Variations in Format sections. I think if all the editors pull together and each take on a little bit of the article at a time then we should have a good article that will inform everyone very well including new people who do not know much about Big Brother in general. I suggest we get a peer review from the article and go from there. What do you guys think?  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  20:38, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Modification to the Nominations Table
Do you guys think that the Evicted and Nominated For Eviction rows are easier to read when they are placed on top instead of in the bottom? The most important information should normally be placed on top of the table, just like the current housemates are placed above the eliminated ones. The example used is from Big Brother (Albania):

Exo (talk) 02:56, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

That wouldn't work with the American version and the Philippine version since they use the top portion for other information and wouldn't really work with Pinoy Big Brother: Teen Edition Plus. ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  03:59, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Could you provide an example that shows why it wouldn't work? All it does is move the most important information on top, a space which is currently being used for secondary information in many tables. It's hard to imagine that information like HOH or Challenge Winner is worthy of the first row while the most important stuff like evictions is last. Anyhow, I vote for a reconfiguration of tables that prioritizes on the information and their location in the table based on their importance:


 * Evictions/Winners first
 * Up For Eviction second
 * Challenge Winner/HOH/Veto/Ban etc third
 * Individual nominations fourth

Hoping there's an agreement. Exo (talk) 04:41, 2 May 2008 (UTC)


 * In the USA version Nominations are tied in with the Veto. Nominations are done by one person the HoH, after pre-veto Nominations there is a veto comp. then the winner decides to use it or not then you have who is nominated. The votes in the USA version are votes to evict not to nominated.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  04:44, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Could you make an example of this conflict of information and how it would not blend in if the eviction row was placed on top? Maybe there will be some re-configuration needed for the top section so that the information is ranked based on priority but I am having trouble picturing how it would not be possible to have all of the primary information on top, instead of splitting it up the way it's done right now? Or if that doesn't work out, another option would be...why not have the most important information, the evictions on top, and place the HOH and the vetoes on the bottom? How is that information more important than the evictions and the winner? Exo (talk) 04:56, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Here is the top portion of Big Brother 4 (U.S.) as it is now.

Here is what you suggested and wouldn't make sense to someone who is new to the American Big Brother:  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  05:19, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

It is crucial that in the American version the Nominations are not at the top since the process is more complex. It needs to be in the order of Head of Household, Pre-Veto Nominations, Veto Winner, Post-Veto Nominations in order to make sense. Also bringing up the "Eviction" section means you need to bring up the "Expelled" (or Ejected) section as well. See how complicated it looks. Plus with as many people nominated like in the UK it would basically be a while before you get to the nominations. In Pinoy Big Brother: Teen Edition Plus wouldn't work due to the Guardians. The current setup is more flexible and customizable to due to some of the more complex twists that other countries use.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  05:19, 2 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Another point I want to make out is the tables are not ordered in lets say importance. They are ordered in what makes sense to a newcomer to Wikipedia. Basically the easiest way to understand what happened that week summed up. Some countries Big Brother may void the nominations or hold fake nominations as part of a twist this also needs to be considered when structuring the tables. In most versions now just because someone is "Ejected" or "Walked" Big Brother will continue with the eviction so an "Ejected" and "Walked" row is needed. Some countries have two rounds of nominations before the actual eviction happens. Big Brother is very complex especially for versions that have been on for a couple of years that use complex twists. The current setup is able to handle complex twists, customization to the local Big Brother while upholding a somewhat unified look with other countries. Some versions have joint housemates and depending on how long they last Big Brother may split them apart after a while. Your setup works for a beginning series since it does not include complex twists. The housemates nominate people for eviction, the people with the highest percentage of votes leave, simple. Some of the more recent series are more complex in twists and gameplay and a flexible table style is needed. Also in the case of the American Big Brother that country has used two different formats, the original format (what Albania) uses now and a completely different format in order to evict housemates. It is important we try to remain consistent from season to season.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  05:32, 2 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I came up with this one for Big Brother 5, it does work out also but alot of re-arrangement has to take place, however it does prioritize information based on importance:

I hate to be picky about this, and it might have limitted support as it is a dramatic change, but at least I argued my point that information in the table should appear in order of importance and I think it should at least be heard and considered. Exo (talk) 05:40, 2 May 2008 (UTC)


 * BTW, you're right about the ejection extra row, because sometimes there might be an ejection and an eviction at the same week. Exo (talk) 05:48, 2 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I hope I didn't sound mean or anything, I was just looking at the various tables looking at what is the easiest way due to the various twists and what would be the easiest way to new visitors who may not know how another country works. If it wasn't for the sheer complex twists that most series now use I would be behind you but the complex twists and the easiest way to read a table with such twists was what I was looking at. 05:56, 2 May 2008 (UTC)


 * On no, not at all, I hope I didn't sound mean either. We both have very valid arguments and the best of intentions, it's just a matter of which idea is more efficient on the global scale rather than on individual countries. I just had my idea be heard, I realise it's a long shot, but it is a good idea nonetheless, so maybe something else pops up in the future, some new twist or procedure or whatever...and this "prioritizing" idea might come in handy to someone when placing info in the table rows. I learned something new today with the standardization rules and all, I had no idea there were restrictions so that's why I experimented with the Big Brother Albania table a bit. :) Exo (talk) 06:13, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Bye
I am not going to edit anymore!!! I have watch every series from BBUK, BBAU and BBUSA and I am leaving due to the fact that more or less everytime I edit a Big Brother page it gets reverted back by Alucard 16 who thinks no edit is perfect unless it is his own. Bye. In23065 (talk) 23:34, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Secret Story Series 2
I want to try to make separate pages for series 1 and series 2. Anyone interested to join the project? Moon Gin —Preceding comment was added at 06:54, 30 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Sure but if you are going to do that then you need to create a general page for Secret Story similar to Big Brother (U.S.) or Big Brother (UK).  ♪♫Al  ucard   16♫♪  14:08, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I plan to start making the pages this weekend. Of course I will include the general page for Secret Story just like BB US or BB UK.--Moon Gin (talk) 03:58, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm in. I've already fixed up the Contestants section (spelling/non-English words). Any idea on whether the article should mimic (to a degree) its French version? I'm specifically referring to the table at http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saison_2_de_Secret_Story which outlines the housemates' guessing at each other's secrets. Seeing as the secrets themselves are a central element of the show (and it's not just another BB article), I'd lean towards adding one. Torontois (talk) 11:38, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Just updated for Caroline's eviction. The official TF1 site doesn't say by what margin she was evicted though... we'll have to wait for a number to come out, and I'll add it in. Also, can someone check to see that the table's alright? (Just making sure that it's A-OK... otherwise, mea culpa.) Torontois (talk) 22:21, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Lock This Page and all other BB UK Related Pages
I am considering requesting Semi-Protection for this page and other relating pages (mainly the pages about the pervious series). This will help to stop vandalism which happens a lot on the BBUK page because it is such a controversial Television Show.

Semi-Protecting a page stops that page from being edited by anonymous users of Wikipedia. Therefore only people who have set up an account may edit the page. This limits vandalism and edit wars. Look here for more information Protection_policy.

In May I requested Semi-protection for Big Brother 2008 (UK), and Q am glad to announce that there a been minimal vandalism and the page has not suffered because of this limitation.

So what are your views on this.


 * If protection is needed fine, I don't think the WikiProject needs protecting right now. Currently I think that all the necessary pages are protected like Big Brother 9 (U.S.) and Big Brother 2008 (UK) which had heavy vandalism and Big Brother 10 (U.S.) due to vandals posting un-sourced/unverified rumors. If people are vandalizing List of Big Brother 9 HouseGuests (U.S.), List of Big Brother 2008 housemates (UK), Big Brother Australia 2008, List of Big Brother Australia housemates (2008 series) or any series/season relating to a particular Big Brother heavily then request protection, but only if a lot of IP vandalism is happening. Otherwise your request may be denied if your reason is potential controversial content.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  05:57, 1 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Im going to request all the Big Brother UK series pages to be lock. In23065 (talk) 22:15, 1 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Go ahead but unless heavy vandalism happens on those pages like it did on Big Brother 9 (U.S.) and Big Brother 2007 (UK) I doubt any of those articles will receive semi-protection. Just by looking at the history alone and based on past experiences with requesting for pages to be semi-protected none of them have really any reason to be protected right now. And Big Brother in general is controversial not just the UK version.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  22:56, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Changes to the WP:1.0 assessment scheme
As you may have heard, we at the Wikipedia 1.0 Editorial Team recently made some changes to the assessment scale, including the addition of a new level. The new description is available at WP:ASSESS.
 * The new C-Class represents articles that are beyond the basic Start-Class, but which need additional references or cleanup to meet the standards for B-Class.
 * The criteria for B-Class have been tightened up with the addition of a rubric, and are now more in line with the stricter standards already used at some projects.
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Please leave a message with us if you have any queries regarding the introduction of the revised scheme. This scheme should allow the team to start producing offline selections for your project and the wider community within the next year. Thanks for using the Wikipedia 1.0 scheme! For the 1.0 Editorial Team, §hepBot  ( Disable )  22:15, 4 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Updated Assessment scale, downgraded some former B-Class articles to C-Class.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  20:34, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Former B-Class articles now downgraded to C-Class
I have updated the project's Assessment scale and have added the new C-Class as well. Since the criteria for B-Class has been tightened I have downgraded articles that no longer meet B-Class criteria to C-Class. Below is a list and the reason why it was downgraded: I am also going around and upgrading any Start-Class articles that meet C-Class criteria. I will post a full list of those articles and why when I am done.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  21:17, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Big Brother (Croatia) Article did not have enough reliable sources
 * Big Brother (Netherlands) Article did not have enough reliable sources
 * Big Brother (TV series) Needs to be cleaned up to meet quality standards, more reliable sources needed
 * Big Brother 2004 (UK) See talk page
 * Big Brother 6 (U.S.) Article did not have enough reliable sources
 * Big Brother 7 (U.S.) Article did not have enough reliable sources
 * Big Brother 8 (U.S.) highlights Needs to be cleaned up
 * Celebrity Big Brother racism controversy Needs to be cleaned up to meet quality standards
 * Dennis Rodman Has warning/messages scattered throughout the article on ways to improve it/has a trivia section
 * Michael Barrymore Has warning/messages scattered throughout the article on ways to improve it
 * Secret Story 2007 (France) Article did not have enough reliable sources

Articles upgraded to C-Class
The following articles fit the new guideline of C-Class but don't fit the guidelines of B-Class a list of upgraded articles are (by importance):

Start-Top Importance
 * Big Brother (UK)
 * Big Brother (Bulgaria)

Start-High Importance
 * Big Brother 1 (Bulgaria)
 * Big Brother 2 (Bulgaria)
 * Big Brother 3 (Bulgaria)
 * Big Brother 1 (U.S.)
 * Big Brother 2 (U.S.)
 * Big Brother 3 (U.S.)
 * Big Brother 9 (U.S.) highlights
 * Big Brother 2000 (UK)
 * Big Brother 2001 (UK)
 * Big Brother 2002 (UK)

Start-Mid Importance
 * Big Brother 2003 (UK)
 * Big Brother Australia 2001
 * Big Brother Australia 2004
 * Big Brother Suomi 2005
 * Big Brother Suomi 2006
 * Big Brother Panto
 * Pinoy Big Brother (season 2)
 * Pinoy Big Brother: Celebrity Edition 2
 * Anthony Mundine
 * Brigitte Nielsen

Stub Class
 * Big Brother Australia 2008

 ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  23:40, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Notice about the new C-Class quality classification
I was unaware that we needed to have a discussion about the new C-Class classification on the quality scale. ((Other WikiProject responses) So my question is should we (WP:Big Brother) adopt this new classification? I think so since now B-Class has had its requirements tightened and I had demote 11 former B-Class articles to C-Class due to the new change. Also this means that some of the Start/Stub articles could move up to C-Class classification as well. Since I kinda implimented this without a proper discussion you can see which articles I had to demote from B-Class and why and from my understanding articles that moved up to C-Class. So after explaining my mistake, my question is should we continue with C-Class or just keep A-Class, FA-Class, B-Class, Start-Class, and Stub-Class?  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  00:05, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Discussion

 * Support' I support C-Class because there are some articles that are just inbetween Start-Class and B-Class and isn't fair to them being classed as Start.  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  00:05, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Support - I don't see why the hell not. T (Formerly Known as FireSpike) 00:22, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Support This is definitely a useful class. Gary King ( talk ) 00:24, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Notice
I know that talk pages are usually meant for helping improve articles but I just wanted to take the time to apologize for any edits to any Big Brother pages or User/talk pages that my compromised account of Atlantics88 may have made. I was on holiday at the time that someone got into my account. After trying and failing to unblock my account, I decided to make a new account. I hope it didn't disrupt the pages many of you take the time to edit. Thank you. =) Infuriated-Z (talk) ( formerly compromised as Atlantics88 ) 09:27, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

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Project Revamp
I was thinking and this project really isn't as active as it used to be. I was thinking that for 2009 we could revamp the project to be more informative and active. Due to the amount of Big Brother related articles I was thinking we could create task forces within the project in order to help deal with the magnitude of articles.

Some example task forces could be:


 * Big Brother - United Kingdom Focuses on British edition, goes into formatting details regarding the article.
 * Big Brother - United States A task force for the American version, it will go into more specific detail on how to format articles and the voting history tables due to the different rules it follows.
 * Big Brother - English A task force for other English language versions of the show like in Australia & Africa.
 * Big Brother - Germany Focuses on the Germain version.
 * Big Brother - Spanish Goes into more details about the Spanish versions of the show such as the Spain/Argentina versions.
 * Big Brother - French Focuses on both the Canada/France versions of Big Brother like Loft Story/Secret Story.

We may not need this many task forces but having a few "specific" task forces especially for the older versions like for USA, UK, Germany, Spain, etc. this will help provide more focus on those editions. Also having some task forces could also help us get some of these articles up to GA and FA status.

What do you guys think? Good idea? Bad idea?  ♪♫Al ucard   16♫♪  07:17, 29 November 2008 (UTC)