Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography/Archive 38

Shalom Weiss
This article is about a white collar criminal who has the distinction of being sentenced to a longer term than Bernard Madoff, 845 years. This article has a number of issues that I have attempted to address, but expert help is urgently needed. --JohnnyB256 (talk) 17:14, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

GA reassessment of Mary Higgins Clark
I have conducted a reassessment of this article and have some issues that need addressing, which can be found at Talk:Mary Higgins Clark/GA1. Thanks. Jezhotwells (talk) 08:51, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

FAR for A. E. J. Collins
nominated A. E. J. Collins for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here.Cirt (talk) 13:59, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Asmahan
Hey. We've got an RfC open at Talk:Asmahan to try to reach consensus as to how to display her nationality. Any comments from people here would be most appreciated. Thanks! &mdash;  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 19:27, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Ramesh Prasad Mohapatra
Some help would be appreciated here. The article was previously deleted several times for copyright violation. Permission was obtained to copy the text from one website; there is nothing, however, that confirms the neutrality of that content, as will be evident upon reading. Other text has been copied from various websites, mainly descriptions of books by online booksellers. Whether this content was original to commercial websites, or copied from the books themselves matters little. The concern is that they may still be copyright violations, and do not constitute reliable objective references. In all, the subject may merit an article, but much of what is being provided appears to be self-referential and non-neutral. This has been rather copiously discussed not only at the current article talk page, but previously at my talk page , that of the sole contributor to the article , and that of an administrator. Thanks. JNW (talk) 19:28, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

GA reassessment of Andrea Dworkin
I have reassessed this article and found issues with the referencing which need to be addressed if the article is to retain GA status. The reassessment comments are at Talk:Andrea Dworkin/GA1. Thanks. Jezhotwells (talk) 20:31, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Justin Solondz
Could someone with experience in biographical articles take a look at the Justin Solondz article. --JWSchmidt (talk) 01:30, 5 July 2009 (UTC) Related article: Briana Waters. --JWSchmidt (talk) 01:49, 5 July 2009 (UTC)


 * I've cut out some commentary and unsupported information from the Justin Solondz article and removed the 'unfairly convicted' bit from Briana Waters. The Waters article could likely use another set of eyes and further reference double checks though. --ponyo (talk) 02:08, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

At the Justin Solondz article someone added some information and wrote: "Sources are directly from 2 of these girls who are now awaiting trial", which sounded odd. User:Ponyo took out some of what had been added but then it was quickly added back. --JWSchmidt (talk) 04:06, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Someone editing from 209.107.217.8 also recently added information about Rachel Corrie to List of The Evergreen State College people. The added information is not sourced and seems to contradict what is said at the Rachel Corrie article, although that article mentions that there is some controversy in the matter...I'm not familiar with that situation. --JWSchmidt (talk) 04:37, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * This seems to be more of a situation for WP:AN/I than for here. Wildhartlivie (talk) 04:40, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Request for comment


An RFC is open at this article which is marked as within the scope of this Wikiproject but the RFC has so far seem very few responses. It would be very helpful to resolving the matter if any interested editors could stop by and offer any thoughts.

CIreland (talk) 01:58, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Neil Armstrong GAR notice
Neil Armstrong has been nominated for a good article reassessment. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to good article quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Reviewers' concerns are here.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 03:58, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

FAR
nominated Frederick Hamilton-Temple-Blackwood, 1st Marquess of Dufferin and Ava for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. YellowMonkey  ( cricket calendar poll! ) paid editing=POV 02:43, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Another FAR
nominated Anne of Great Britain for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. john k (talk) 17:19, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

FAR of George F. Kennan
nominated George F. Kennan for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Otumba (talk) 18:44, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

GAR
I also submitted a couple of Biographical articles for GAR. They are all for Medal of Honor recipients and they are. Michael J. Daly, Charles Pomeroy Stone, and Merritt A. Edson. --Kumioko (talk) 19:30, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Marco Polo
 Chzz  ►  21:31, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Bahia Bakari (airplane crash survivor) AfD
Bahia Bakari (the sole survivor of Yemenia Flight 626) is up for deletion at Articles for deletion/Bahia Bakari, a semi-procedural nomination to ensure that a merge into the flight's article would not be excessive for a BLP. Input there would be appreciated. Thanks, Cosmic Latte (talk) 01:04, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Billy Sunday GAR
Billy Sunday has been nominated for a good article reassessment. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to good article quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Reviewers' concerns are here. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 06:11, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Getting Blp to display with Banner Shells
Please be aware that WikiProjectBanners allows the Blp message to display when the |living=yes parameter is set within WPBiography.

However WPBS aka WikiProjectBannerShell does NOT display the Blp. For examples see Talk:George Clooney, which displays Blp, and Talk:John Candy which doesn't. Please refer to the history of Talk:John Candy IF it has been recently updated to display Blp.

This should be used instead of this Can a Bot be created to replace WPBS with WikiProjectBanners ? 98.71.212.16 (talk) 15:34, 2 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Any BLP which uses a banner shell should use blp=yes as a parameter within the shell itself and omit the living=yes from the template. ie:


 * As such, there is no need to replace anything. By the by, John Candy has been dead for 15 years so he his biography is not one of a living person. Regards, Woody (talk) 15:44, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the bad example. Ahh! I see, perhaps there is an article out there using the other shell, just can't find an example at the moment.  Thanks for the quick reply! 98.71.212.16 (talk) 15:57, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * There is worse news. The original code for WPB has been replaced by the code for WPBS with collapsed set to yes.  In my view this was not at all necessary but occurred because a few admins, one in particular, decided that WPBS was more powerful and more flexible than WPB and, therefore, the latter should be eliminated.  The details are on Template talk:WikiProjectBannerShell and Template talk:WikiProjectBanners.  Notice that the recoding did not require any review process and no such process was sought.  As the templates are protected so that only admins can edit them we non-admin editors are stuck with what has been foisted upon us.
 * JimCubb (talk) 20:22, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

WP:UNDUE FRINGE NPOV etc. vs. Biographies
Hi, I hope this is the right place to ask this question - if not, I'd appreciate a bit of direction on where I should post it. I have been working on a biography recently, and the person in question is a controversial scientist. In trying to present aspects of his work I have been running into quite a bit of grief with people reverting edits on the grounds that they violate various combinations of WP:UNDUE, FRINGE, NPOV, PEACOCK, and COATRACK. What has dawned on me is that people are applying these tags to the persons' research, not the biography. That is, the research this person has conducted is considered FRINGE (I argue it's Alternative Theoretical Formulation), so any mention of his work in the bio is being attacked for violating FRINGE and UNDUE, even though the sources are not FRINGE or UNDUE. I'm not sure if all of that is as clear as it could be, so I'll try to put it into a question and example; When writing a WP:BIO does UNDUE/FRINGE etc. restrict only the quality of the material/views presented (i.e. only present material that accurately reflects the majority view of what this person did), or can these policies also restrict presenting the actual work of the person who is the subject of the article? So for instance, if Joe Blow (who satisfies notability) conducted research into unicorns living on Venus, and there are plenty of reliable sources covering his efforts, can a biography on Joe Blow actually present the various elements of his unicorn research in some detail provided the biographical information is accurate and satisfies verifiability etc., or does WP severely restrict mention of unicorns on Venus research because it is such a fringe topic that it does not conform to the majority view of science, regardless of notability? Any help people could provide on this would be very welcome! Cheers, Blippy (talk) 09:51, 4 July 2009 (UTC)


 * You could present Joe Blow's unicorn work in his bio, so long as it's not discussed so extensively as to become an article on the unicorn theory. But if Joe Blow is notable enough for a bio, his unicorn theory might be notable too. It would depend on context. SlimVirgin  talk| contribs 10:59, 7 July 2009 (UTC)


 * That's great SV, thanks for your time. In this particular instance Joe Blow (Ian Stevenson) is very notable, as is his theory. Cheers, Blippy (talk) 11:38, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Question about appropriate inclusion of awards
I'd like to get others' input regarding addition of information about awards won by living persons, especially whether there are relevant guidelines or general principles. I have a potential conflict of interest with a well-known public figure who has a Wikipedia article, and would like to include some appropriate information about public awards won. I have a list of 25 such awards going back the past four years, and although I have not done research to find reliable citations for them, I presume for now they do exist. However, I am not quite sure where lies the line between being informational and overdoing it. I've looked at guidelines within this WikiProject, as well as WP:SPAM, WP:AUTO and WP:NOT but neither make any such mention. Please let me know if you can. Thanks, NMS Bill (talk) 20:07, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Category:Biography articles without listas parameter Needs Your Help
This category at one time had more that 375,000 articles. Through extensive effort by editors and at least one bot it is now down to 50,000 articles.

There are still a few editors who are working on the articles in this category but a bot is no longer useful. (The last time it was run it could only work on one out of 400 pages.) The category is growing by almost 100 articles per day. What needs to happen now is for a larger number of editors who are very knowledgable in the naming conventions of many cultures to take 30 minutes or more per day and work on the articles within a specific area of the alphabet.

I have managed to clean out the articles before "A", the ones after "Z", the ones in "Q" and the ones in "X" and I monitor those letters each day. I am currently working on "V" because I wanted a break from Chinese and Arabic names and because it had fewer than 500 articles when I started.

Please jump in almost anywhere as a test effort. If you become interested in working on the project, please register your interest in the appropriate place on the category's talk page. You have nothing to lose but your sanity and how much of that is left anyway?

I may put a guide to how I determine a valid value to the listas on a sub-page to my talk page once I figure out how to make such a page. Until then feel free to ask me about any part of the process that puzzles or bothers you.
 * JimCubb (talk) 20:52, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Arthur Rose Eldred GA Sweeps: On Hold
I have reviewed Arthur Rose Eldred for GA Sweeps to determine if it still qualifies as a Good Article. In reviewing the article I have found several issues, which I have detailed here. Since the article falls under the scope of this project, I figured you would be interested in contributing to further improve the article. Please comment there to help the article maintain its GA status. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 22:38, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Neil Armstrong needs help
As we near the 40th anniversary of Apollo 11, the article on Neil Armstrong could use just a little work. Thanks for your help, JMG (talk) 07:28, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Someone has tagged a few sentences "citation needed" - it would be great to get those cleaned-up.
 * 2) There seems to be a small discrepancy between Apollo 11 and Neil Armstrong concerning how much fuel the lunar lander had for landing.

GA reassessment of Canaletto
I have conducted a reassessment of this article and dues to the number of concerns raised, I have de-listed it. Review at Talk:Canaletto/GA1. Thanks. Jezhotwells (talk) 13:57, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

GA reassessment of Caravaggio
I have conducted a GA Sweeps reassessment of this article and found a large number of concerns which can be see ay Talk:Caravaggio/GA1. The article has been de-listed, but can be brought back to WP:GAN when these have been addressed. Thanks. Jezhotwells (talk) 15:39, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Looking for help
I am looking for a few editors who would be willing to help me significantly expand the list of dermatologists. Would any of you consider working on this project? ---kilbad (talk) 15:44, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

GA reassessment of David Heymann
I have reassessed the above article as part of the GA Sweeps process. There are some concerns which you can see at Talk:David Heymann/GA1. If these are not addressed, the article will be de-listed. Jezhotwells (talk) 19:04, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Japan biography task force
WikiProject Japan is looking to start up a biography task force in order to handle the very large number of biographies about Japanese and Japan-related people. If you are interested in participating, please go here and indicate your interest. Thanks! ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe 07:05, 13 July 2009 (UTC)


 * We'd also like to operate it as a joint task force if WP:BIOG is interested. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe 23:54, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Judge Williams
hi i was reading the article about judge gwliym williams,i have done a family tree and i have found out that i am related to the judge,when the judge owned the miskin manor he had maids working for him,my grans gran was a waitress at the miskin manor at the time the judge got my gran pregnant,when the judge found out that she was pregnant he got rid of her and sent her packing back to the rhondda,is there any one i could speak to about the history or any relations many thanks allan thomas —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.243.18.114 (talk) 11:11, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Stanisław Koniecpolski FAR
nominated Stanisław Koniecpolski for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Nishkid64 (Make articles, not wikidrama) 14:54, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Undeserved WP:BIO article ratings
Guys, could you please check the ratings issued by ? GA-class tag on Vincenzo Brenna that passed on my watchlist seems suspicious. Unfortunately I don't have enough time to investigate it myself. NVO (talk) 13:37, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I've checked some assessments by this user; a few of them seem a bit generous to me, but for the most part I think they're good. Articles shouldn't be rated as GA-Class without going through the WP:GAN process, though, so I'll leave a note on the user's talk page. I didn't read through Vincenzo Brenna, but it looks like a solid B-Class article to me; it certainly ain't no stub! PC78 (talk) 15:26, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

GA reassessment of Han van Meegeren
I have conducted a reassessment of the above article as part of the GA Sweeps process. I have found some concerns with the referencing which you can see at Talk:Han van Meegeren/GA1. I have placed the article on hold whilst these are fixed. Thanks. Jezhotwells (talk) 18:35, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

GA reassessment of Hiroh Kikai
I have conducted a reassessment of the above article as part of the GA Sweeps process. I have found some concerns with the referencing which you can see at Talk:Hiroh Kikai/GA1. I have placed the article on hold whilst these are fixed. Thanks. Jezhotwells (talk) 19:04, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

GA reassessment of Jean-Claude Mézières
I have conducted a reassessment of the above article as part of the GA Sweeps process. I have found some concerns with the referencing which you can see at Talk:Jean-Claude Mézières/GA1. I have placed the article on hold whilst these are fixed. Thanks. Jezhotwells (talk) 19:48, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

GA reassessment of Paul Rand
I have conducted a reassessment of the above article as part of the GA Sweeps process. I have found some concerns with the referencing which you can see at Talk:Paul Rand/GA1. I have placed the article on hold whilst these are fixed. Thanks. Jezhotwells (talk) 18:51, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

GA reassessment of Julius and Ethel Rosenberg
I have conducted a reassessment of the above article as part of the GA Sweeps process. I have found a large number concerns with the referencing which you can see at Talk:Julius and Ethel Rosenberg/GA1. Consequently I have de-listed the article. Thanks. Jezhotwells (talk) 00:48, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Scarlett Johansson GAR notification
Scarlett Johansson has been nominated for a good article reassessment. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to good article quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Reviewers' concerns are here.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 20:48, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Article Stephen Moorer was created by Stephen Moore
Doesn't this violate a Wikipedia Policy against autobiographies? He is the major contributer to his own self made article, Carmel-by-the-Sea, which he is using to market his theatre and push self serving information. He was blocked tonight for a 3R Rule violation, for continuing to revert a change of an image he uploaded of a theatre that comes staright from a brochure.--Amadscientist (talk) 07:33, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * First of all, this isn't WP:AN/I or any other admin board, so any opinions you get here will only address bottom line questions regarding the article itself. You really don't want opinions about the 3RR, ownership or edit warring after I took a look at the history for Carmel-by-the-Sea. That article wasn't created by the editor to whom you refer and none of those things belong in a discussion here. Be that as it may, concerning Stephen Moorer, WP:AUTOBIO is a content guideline which discourages creating an autobiography, but there is no policy expressly prohibiting an article created by the subject so long as the subject meets WP:NOTABILITY, is reliably sourced and does not violate WP:NPOV. Wildhartlivie (talk) 09:17, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

That was just horrible. You have nearly no idea what you are talking about. I didn't say that Carmel by the sea was created by that editor. I said the Stephen Moorer article was. This discussion belongs here. I asked a legitimate question.

You are defending the very thing that the Guidline and several others were created to avoid. Then basicaly accuse me of edit warring and ownership issue. I have only been back on that page for the last few days. The ownership issue is on the other editor who keeps reverting sound edits, especialy envolving his theatre and company. A clear conflict of interest. But if this is merely turned around on me for bringing this up then perhaps Wikipedia is not the right place for me.--Amadscientist (talk) 20:36, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Look, you came here to ask one question, about policy. No, there is no policy prohibiting someone from starting an article about him or herself. There are guidelines discouraging it, and the article must meet the same standards all others do. If you will read the sentence you wrote, it says "He is the major contributer to his own self made article, Carmel-by-the-Sea, which he is using to market his theatre and push self serving information." No matter what you intended, the sentence somes say, perhaps inadvertently, that the article he created was Carmel-by-the-Sea. This page is not the place to discuss other issues you might have with an editor and you've been given suggestions elsewhere about where to take those issues. Period. I have also told you I have no interest in entering the fracas about the rest of these issues. I would like to give you a piece of advice though. You are garnering no favor when you make statements such as "That was just horrible. You have nearly no idea what you are talking about." Such personal attacks are unacceptable and behavioral guidelines such as ones concerning civility apply to everyone. Wildhartlivie (talk) 00:05, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

FAR notice for Kylie Minogue
nominated Kylie Minogue for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here.Cirt (talk) 11:26, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

GA reassessment of Arctic Monkeys
I have conducted a reassessment of the above article as part of the GA Sweeps process. I have found some concerns which you can see at Talk:Arctic Monkeys/GA1. I have placed the article on hold whilst these are fixed. Thanks. Jezhotwells (talk) 23:32, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

GA reassessment of Natasha Bedingfield
I have conducted a reassessment of the above article as part of the GA Sweeps process. I have found a large number of concerns with the referencing which you can see at Talk:Natasha Bedingfield/GA1. I have de-listed the article which can be renominated at WP:GAN when these are fixed. Thanks. Jezhotwells (talk) 20:27, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

GA reassessment of Black Lab
I have conducted a reassessment of the above article as part of the GA Sweeps process. I have found some concerns with the referencing which you can see at Talk:Black Lab. I have placed the article on hold whilst these are fixed. Thanks. Jezhotwells (talk) 20:56, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

GA reassessment of Bleeding Through
I have conducted a reassessment of the above article as part of the GA Sweeps process. I have found some concerns with the referencing which you can see at Talk:Bleeding Through/GA2. I have placed the article on hold whilst these are fixed. Thanks. Jezhotwells (talk) 21:28, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Isambard Kingdom Brunel FAR
nominated Isambard Kingdom Brunel for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Parrot of Doom (talk • contribs) 11:27, 22 July 2009

Douglas Adams
nominated Douglas Adams for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Awadewit (talk) 16:22, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Featured article reviews
Is it just me or has there a sudden rush on FARs lately? They are coming just when so many editors are involved in brushing up or working on issues in the GAR sweeps. The timing seems a little bad to me. Wildhartlivie (talk) 17:00, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

GA reassessment of Blondie (band)
I have conducted a reassessment of the above article as part of the GA Sweeps process. I have found some concerns with the referencing which you can see at Talk:Blondie (band)/GA1. I have placed the article on hold whilst these are fixed. Thanks. Jezhotwells (talk) 19:04, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

GA reassessment of Sarah Brightman
I have conducted a reassessment of the above article as part of the GA Sweeps process. I have found a number of concerns with the article which you can see at Talk:Sarah Brightman/GA1. I have placed the article on hold whilst these are fixed. Thanks. Jezhotwells (talk) 17:04, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

GA reassessment of Butthole Surfers
I have conducted a reassessment of the above article as part of the GA Sweeps process. I have found some concerns which you can see at Talk:Butthole Surfers/GA1. I have placed the article on hold whilst these are fixed. Thanks. Jezhotwells (talk) 18:04, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Jack Dormand article - possible GA?
Wikiproject Politics has upgraded the assessment on the Jack Dormand article to GA. Should the biography project banner be updated to reflect this? Or does an independant check need to be done? --ponyo (talk) 15:37, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The article passed a GA review back in 2007, so it should be rated as GA-Class. I'm surprised it wasn't already, actually. PC78 (talk) 15:54, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for checking! Cheers, --ponyo (talk) 16:10, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

GA Reassessment of Richard Francis Burton
Richard Francis Burton has been nominated for a good article reassessment. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to good article quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Reviewers' concerns are here. --Malleus Fatuorum 16:26, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Utility of outlines to wikiprojects
Here's a discussion about subject development you might find interesting.

The Transhumanist 21:58, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

No certain birth or death years
I'm currently doing a rewrite of Kiliaen van Rensselaer (merchant) (see work space), and have come to find out that the sources I'm using from Google books and elsewhere do not agree on the birth and death years of this man. What is the protocol for indicating this in the infobox and in the parens after the individual's name at the beginning of the article? I've included a footnote for both instances, giving examples of sources and what they indicate for birth and death. Any help would be appreciated.  wadester 16  04:55, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Norman Borlaug
nominated Norman Borlaug for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:24, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

FAR for Thomas Pynchon
nominated Thomas Pynchon for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Regards, &mdash; Mattisse (Talk) 19:24, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

David Ferriero
Some of you know that David Ferriero has been nominated by President Obama to be the next head of the National Archives. I went to his page and I was surprised to find a lot of sections on personal characteristics ("sense of humor" and "personal touch") as if the person was an intimate friend. I work in the organization under his direction and most of those personal characteristics are not apparent. It seems inappropriate in Wikipedia to discuss one's sense of humor unless it's a significant factor in the person's biography. In short, the article sounded more like a resume or cover letter for his next job. Most of the article was written by a single person, and when I put up two NPOV flags, this person became very offended and tried to remove them. I ask interested others to help polish the article to reflect a neutral or balanced POV. Thanks. -- kosboot (talk) 14:47, 31 July 2009 (UTC)