Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography/Archive 45

Help on Bent Lorentzen (author)
The author has provided some information via the OTRS system which can be used to expand and source this article. I've placed this information on the talk page. If some interested editors could work the appropriate information into the article, that would be great. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe 00:40, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Stuart Erwin--Birthplace
In the text of the article birthplace is given as "Squaw Valley,California" and died at "Beverly Hills, California" while the caption under the photo says "born Beverly Hills, California, died Hollywood, California."

If indeed Mr. Erwin was born at "Squaw Valley, California" it should be noted that there are TWO such places: one is the well-known ski resort in Placer County and the other is a small town in Fresno County and the correct "Squaw Valley" should be noted. I suspect that if "Squaw Valley" is the birthplace, it is the one in Fresno County as most unlikely there was anything near Lake Tahoe/Placer County by that name in 1903, although one should never presume--there could have been some small geographical location with that name that early. Kenvn (talk) 01:57, 1 March 2010 (UTC)Kenn

RfC - prefixes in article title of Eastern Orthodox officials
An RfC is currently open (Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions_(clergy)) regarding the appropriateness of having position titles in the article title of religious Eastern Orthodox officials. Commentary would be welcomed, as the WP:NCWC talk page has a low level of activity.--Labattblueboy (talk) 17:29, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Ammended: The proposal currently tables is to remove of all prefix religious titles, positions and/or honours from the article title.--Labattblueboy (talk) 20:55, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Johnny Tri Nguyen's article should be deleted
1. He's not notable 2. The references are not reliable —Preceding unsigned comment added by Linhbach (talk • contribs) 04:04, 3 March 2010 (UTC)


 * The normal processes are described at WP:AFD. I know nothing about the gentleman so I cannot comment on his notability.  Also, if the refs are unreliable and no other refs can be found whatsoever to verify the article, it clearly then fails WP:V one of our core principles.  By extention the article will also fail WP:N and any of its refinement for specific situations such as WP:BIO.  I'll leave all that for others to decide since I would not know what I was looking for nor where to look for it when it comes to sourcing Vietnamese actors/stuntmen and I know even less about martial arts...  Hope that helps?  --Jubilee♫ clipman  22:22, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Puri Jagannadh
This is a minor numerical edit. I met Puri Jagannadh yesterday and he has five nandi awards and not just two as mentioned in his biography.

Venuthe1 (talk) 20:08, 4 March 2010 (UTC)Venuthe1

Politicians
I am often seeing the Wiki articles on politicians being, tweaked etc with facts being distorted or mundane facts glamorised. We have to have a clear common strategy for all political articles about politicians, regardless of party etc, that have them clearly neutral, as I fear they (or their press office) are constantly tweaking them. Equally it will also protect them from malicious tweaking as well. Can we create a set of rules or guidelines, or come to that is there already one in place? If so this link should be set on the Talk page of every politicians Wiki article so that editors can quickly locate it and see the standard required. Any ideas, suggestions?--BSTemple (talk) 00:25, 5 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Politicians ae covered by our other rules. Maurreen (talk) 00:31, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Andrew Delbanco
This is not my area at all, but I am amazed that there is no bio article for Andrew Delbanco. He is Director of American Studies at Columbia University, has written extensively for The New York Review of Books and many other journals, has published several books, including Melville: His World and Work (2006), The Real American Dream: A Meditation on Hope (1999), Required Reading: Why Our American Classics Matter Now (1997), The Death of Satan: How Americans Have Lost the Sense of Evil (1995), The Puritan Ordeal (1989), and William Ellery Channing: An Essay on the Liberal Spirit in America (1981).(list of books). In 2001, he was named by Time as “America's Best Social Critic".See this.  A double graduate of Harvard (B.A., Ph.D.), he has also been the recipient of a Guggenheim Fellowship. Only he and Edward Said have won the Trilling Award twice, once for Melville and once for The Puritan Ordeal.  See his American Studies faculty page  Can anyone put something up?]  Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:13, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Wendy Toye (1917-2010)
I feel that the page on Wendy Toye needs a lot of expansion. She wasn't just a film maker - a dancer, choreographer (which are mentioned in passing), a stage director for plays and operas, as well as a tireless worker behind the scene for theatrical charities and awards committees.

I'm not a Wiki editor - just a user - so I don't really know how to start making the article better. Any help would be welcomed. In particular I don't know how to organise correct formatting.

And a big thank-you to the person who updated her dates so quickly. As her only surviving close relative I have something of an interest in keeping her name alive.

Ptoye (talk) 12:14, 28 February 2010 (UTC)


 * It is to be especially commended (your disclaimer notwithstanding!) that you have avoided editing the article on Wendy Toye and have, rather, flagged your concerns here. Conflict of interest is best avoided...!  Regarding those concerns: I know nothing about the subject but would be happy to review the article when I get a chance.  Cheers --Jubilee♫ clipman  00:50, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your support. I don't think there's much of a conflict of interest, except in that I'm her nephew and might be liable to overlook any less appealing aspects (not that I'm aware of any except that she was, in common with many other directors, always concerned to get the best result possible). My main point was that someone (if not me - who?) should provide more detail to fill out what is, in all honesty, a very inadequate appraisal of her achievements. These do after all range from appearing at the age of 3 1/2 a the Albert Hall to being on numerous theatrical committees into her 80s.

My own problem (apart from being rather overwhelmed at the moment) is that I'm not an experienced Wiki editor and any material I could provide would need licking into shape. One could at least start by reading the obits in the UK "quality" press. After all, the BBC obit was nicked from this page. Ptoye (talk) 12:19, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Αριθμοδότηση
Νομίζω πως δε πρέπει να συγχέουμε τις δύο μη συνεχείς θητείες στην Προεδρία της Δημοκρατίας με την αριθμοδότηση των προέδρων. Ο Καραμανλής ήταν ο τρίτος πρόεδρος της Ελληνικής Δημοκρατίας και όχι ο τρίτος και ο πέμπτος μαζί. Έξι συνολικά προέδρους έχουμε ως τώρα. Πρωτος ο Στασινόπουλος, δεύτερος ο Τσάτσος, τρίτος ο Καραμανλής, τέταρτος ο Σαρτζετάκης, πέμπτος ο Στεφανόπουλος και έκτος ο Παπούλιας. Παραπέμπω στο site της Προεδρίας της Δημοκρατίας

http://www.presidency.gr/diat_proedroi.htm

To ίδιο ισχύει και για τις πρωθυπουργίες. Πως γίνεται ο Καραμανλής να είναι ταυτόχρονα ο 153ος, ο 155ος, ο 157ος και ο 172ος πρωθυπουργός. Πρώτος πρωθυπουργός του ανέξαρτητου ελληνικού κράτους λογίζεται ο Ιωάννης Καποδίστριας και συνολικά από το 1830 ως σήμερα έχουμε 92 διαφορετικά πρόσωπα, που διατέλεσαν επικεφαλής των ελληνικών κυβερνήσεων, ανεξάρτητα αν οι θητείες τους ήταν συνεχείς ή όχι. Μα τί πράγματα είναι αυτα πια; —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.1.173.195 (talk) 14:28, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Hm... I am not sure. I ll have a look on it. But why in Greek in English Wikipedia? -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:37, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Check the article of Grover Cleveland. It reads that he was the "22nd and 24th" President of the US. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:04, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

cool, I guess! I love reading stuff about Fameous people. but I never was a history buff! LOL

March 7th, 2010

Horse and God Freak (talk) 18:41, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

GA reassessment of Terri Schiavo case
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Copyright concerns related to your project
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Denise Amber Lee Article
Hello. Please, forgive me but I am very computer illiterate. Denise Amber Lee was my daughter in law. Her article as you can imagine is very important to our family. We would like to see it cleaned up somehow. Sadly, we do not feel confident doing this and would appreciate some of your expertise in doing this. The article is basically correct in all counts. I do not know who has written it or who has been editing it. You can visit deniseamberlee.org or my blog toosad4words.blogspot.com or contact me at PeggyLee@DeniseAmberLee.org with any questions. I also have a photo of Denise that we would like used. Again, we appreciate all efforts and the fact that some have expressed interest in Denise's story. It has been featured on DateLine, PrimeTime, Larry King, Dr Phil, CNN, the Today Show etc... along with many periodicals and newspapers. The story is on going as our family has been working on legislation to help improve 9-1-1 inefficiecies. Please help. And thank you. Peggy Lee —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.201.65.180 (talk) 02:59, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


 * To clarify: Murder of Denise Amber Lee? Indeed, the article could do with a major overhaul, ASAP.  The sources you suggest appear to be WP:RSs for the most part (though we tend to avoid blogs etc since they are usually written from a partial point of view).  I'll have a look at the article and see what I can do for you  --Jubilee♫ clipman  03:48, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I have contacted Peggy Lee via email. I will look at this article closely tommorow (I'm in the UK, BTW...) Anyone else want to verify the sources I have added so far?  --Jubilee♫ clipman  04:54, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Also, I am not sure of the exact protocol for uploads by family members. Presumeably they just click the upload link, add the photo and explain that the photo is released by the photographer/copyright-holder to the public domain?  Clarification on this appreciated.  Thanks --Jubilee♫ clipman  05:05, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Update - in hand. I have updated the article with a new lead, added biographical info on both Lee and King and created userspace both to hold the text that needs rewriting and to help focus the job in hand.  Any help appreciated!  Thanks  --Jubilee♫ clipman  23:01, 1 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Further update - I am about ready to completely rewrite the centeral portion of the article so it doesn't read like a witness statement. Other refinemnets have been made recently including the addition of an image found in Commons of a 911 call-center.  Cheers --Jubilee♫ clipman  22:11, 3 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I want to thank you for your kindness and generosity of time in helping clean up this article. It was painful to see as it was and this is now something Denise would be proud to have her name on. Still do not know what to do about her picture. I have a simple family photo that we could use if anyone knows the rules on family photos that are not public domain but have been used in newspapers and TV news stories, I would appreciate any help or suggestions. Again, thank you for your kindness. It brings tears of relief to my eyes. God bless.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.201.100.102 (talk) 22:40, 7 March 2010 (UTC)


 * I errored and did not sign my name. thank you Peggy Lee  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.201.100.102 (talk) 22:42, 7 March 2010 (UTC)


 * My pleasure! I have now gone as far as I can (beyond minor copyediting and updating etc) if anyone cares to review it?  (Murder of Denise Amber Lee) Thanks  --Jubilee♫ clipman  05:44, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Finley Currie biography
According to the current Wikipedia biography, Finley Currie was born in 1878, and was married to his wife from 1884 until her death. That would have him married at age six.

173.137.41.194 (talk) 15:13, 8 March 2010 (UTC) Andy Badger Columbia, South Carolina


 * Finlay Currie? That claim does seem a little odd...  --Jubilee♫ clipman  05:36, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
 * ...but you misread it: "He and his wife, Maude Courtney (1884 - 1959)..." The brackets are indicating her birth and death dates.  The artcle does not state when they got married, though: perhaps it should?  --Jubilee♫ clipman  05:41, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Richard Gurley Drew
At the top of the entry- in the uneditable section?- for this gentleman, it includes that he invented Duct tape (actually, Duck at the time of its invention because is was made with cotton Duck fabric). It includes a link to the inventor's hall of fame page on him, which clearly and correctly states he invented both masking and transparent tape at 3M, but nowhere does it say he invented duct tape which was made almost 20 years later at Johnson and Johnson for the army. I believe this reference is incorrect, certainly not in the attributed link. Sfcat (talk) 06:44, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I just removed the claim from the lead that he invented Duct Tape. You can edit that section by clicking the main "edit this page" tab at the top, BTW  --Jubilee♫ clipman  05:33, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Contest for referencing BLPs that don't have refs
I'd like to start one. Maybe at WikiProject Biography/2010 Contest. We could run it like the wikicup. Another user tried to start a contest here, but it doesn't look like it will attract enough people. Do people think this project is the right place and active enough to do a contest with maybe 32 or 64 people? Thanks. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 16:12, 15 February 2010 (UTC)


 * What's the difference? Just moving it? Maurreen (talk) 16:21, 15 February 2010 (UTC)


 * If that's all it takes to get it started, that would be great. That version was kinda created whole cloth without much input, and hasn't led to much participation, so that's why I wanted to ask. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 17:23, 15 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't see any problem with putting or linking it here, and doing so might help.
 * Food for thought -- It might be worthwhile to consider a different structure instead of the tournament type ... such as maybe just recognizing the top people on a periodic basis. This is different from FAC's, and people might not sustain the interest long enough.
 * I don't feel strongly and doubt that I'll participate, so take my thoughts with a grain of salt.
 * But any more publicity can be useful. Good luck. Maurreen (talk) 18:58, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I too doubt I will participate. I've done my several hundred referencing jobs and have to move on.  I will ask, now that all these articles have been moved around:  Where are the serious proposals under consideration now?  Where is this wave of support for deleting articles?Trackinfo (talk) 19:57, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Comment - if this proposal does gain traction, I would suggest notifying Wikproject Unreferenced articles as they are already tracking the referencing of the oldest outstanding BLPs. My concern with a contest would be that people would just stick a single ref in and remove the template, which does little to actually improve the BLP. If there was a guideline that only articles that become fully referenced could be counted I think it would be more helpful with regard to fixing the "BLP problem". Jezebel's Ponyo shhh 20:40, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

I like the idea of monthly tournaments. People could come and go and not get burned out, maybe. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 23:13, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Who's going to score it? It would slow me down by almost half to keep a logbook of everything I'm doing.  I'd rather fix twice as many BLPs and just not participate if it's going to mean keeping a log of actions. Gigs (talk) 03:38, 17 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, people could keep track of their own number, I guess, with no logbook. AGF and all that. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 05:31, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Just to comment further on the above: 1. valid submissions would have to be properly referenced, not just by a single vague EL but substantially from several indepentent RSs; 2. if a judge were to be appointed, they would have a nightmare time of it as not only would they have potentially thousands of articles to verify but they would also need to check every history to be sure that the competitor really did source the article personally; 3. if we AFG on people's claims to have actually fully sourced 500 articles each, we risk "wool-and-eyes" syndrome... I think one or two other editors are doing something similar already, too, so it might be worth checking those contests out. I'll hunt arount for them and let you all know where they are. --Jubilee♫ clipman 22:25, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Rather than an outright contest, I think it would be better just to reward everyone who does a certain amount of work with some sort of graded prize (barnstar or whatever). That way everyone putting in comparable effort gets comparable reward, and we avoid some of the snarkiness and unpleasantness that has occasionally been observed accompanying such contests as WP:WIKICUP. The competitiveness there hasn't always been the best for the resulting style of editing. Knepflerle (talk) 16:53, 5 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Knepflerle's idea has merit. But the contest has its own page somewhere. Maybe your idea should be brought up there. Maurreen (talk) 21:36, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Somewhat related: I've created a page at WP:RANDUNREF which provides a random Unreferenced BLP every day. It's transcluded below.

This approach could possibly be worked into something more elaborate, since the bot can filter by other categories too (eg five unreferenced BLPs of the day, from different topic areas). Note though that the bot can only do one entry per page, so it would involve making various subpages and transcluding them. See the use at WP:VRNB. Rd232 talk 10:52, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Eva Golinger
Hi there! Over at Wikiproject Venezuela, Eva Golinger is one of our Collaborations of the Month for March. If anyone from here would like to pitch in, they'd be most welcome. Rd232 talk 10:05, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Rev. Holt
My name ts Kathleen and I'm the daughter of Dr. Max Wyatt and granddaughter of Dr. Thomas Wyatt in the article about Rev. Holt. I remember him as a scholarly, intelligent man of God - my father pastored a church in Salem, OR and we went to Portland at least once a week to visit and to have Dad either teach or preach. I remember when Rev. Holt and Dad went to Africa and I still have hundreds of photos of them together during their travels and ministry there. How wonderful it was to read about the many glorious things he did for the Lord after he left the Wings of Healing. My father died in 1997 and My Mother Maude died in 2000 - and now they are all walking Heaven's streets today praising their everlasting father. Kathleen Wyatt - Estacada, OR 63.224.250.249 (talk) 23:51, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Would that be Erskine Holt? The article is a mess actually and completely unreferenced.  Was that why you flagged it up?  --Jubilee♫ clipman  00:36, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Feature Review for J.E.B. Stuart
nominated J.E.B. Stuart for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Lord Oliver  The Olive Branch 02:32, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Jacob Frank now a mascot for Wikipedia sister project Wikiversity
Hi, I'm developing Jacob Frank (an 18th-century Jew who developed a significant religious movement called Frankism, which believed in "purification through transgression") as a mascot for Wikipedia's sister project Wikiversity. Wikiversity aims to be an online open school and university, and was also created to host original research. Because of its nature, it's open to educational resources in almost any format. Wikiversity's mascots appear on User talk pages when new Users are welcomed. In my opinion, the Wikiversity mascots could be used more fully as an opportunity to teach. The previously developed Wikiversity mascots lack intrinsic educational value. For example, they include a jack-o-lantern, a goat and twin babies not noticeably tied to anything else. In contrast, Jacob Frank is tied to a chapter of history that is relatively little-known and is probably interesting to some people who might not have heard of him beforehand. I'm also hoping to use his professed ignorance in real life and his doctrine of "purification through transgression" to introduce the Wikiversity policies of "Be bold" and "Ignore all rules" (Wikipedia has very similar policies with the same names). I would appreciate your going over to Wikiversity to provide feedback on the pages about the mascot: v:User:JacobFrank and v:Template:JacobFrank. The Template is left on new Users' talk pages; the Userpage is linked from the template and provides more information about Jacob Frank. Also, any ideas for other Wikiversity mascots? Thanks. -- AFriedman  (talk) 04:29, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Unreferenced BLPs
User:DASHBot has begun doing daily updates to lists created by intersections of Category:All unreferenced BLPs and various project article cats. I've listed a bunch, but I'm not sure if they are the most useful lists. Feel free to edit the list at User:DASHBot/Wikiprojects and view the WP:Bio related lists at the following pages. Are there any more? Are they useful - or is it at too high a level?The-Pope (talk) 12:54, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
 * WikiProject Biography/Unreferenced BLPs - has all of the below lists transcluded onto a single page - useful for recent change tracking, AWB importing etc.
 * WikiProject Biography/Arts and entertainment/Unreferenced BLPs
 * WikiProject Biography/Actors and filmmakers/Unreferenced BLPs
 * WikiProject Biography/Musicians/Unreferenced BLPs
 * WikiProject Biography/Military biography/Unreferenced BLPs
 * WikiProject Biography/Peerage and Baronetage/Unreferenced BLPs
 * WikiProject Biography/Royalty/Unreferenced BLPs
 * WikiProject Biography/Politics and government/Unreferenced BLPs
 * WikiProject Biography/Science and academia/Unreferenced BLPs
 * WikiProject Biography/Sports and games/Unreferenced BLPs

Union for the Scientific Investigation of Population Problems
Union for the Scientific Investigation of Population Problems went nowhere; perhaps THAT Wikipedia article had been removed (don't know why), so I linked that reference to the journal "Population" whihc is the journal of the Union for the Scientific Investigation of Population Problems. MaynardClark (talk) 15:39, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Charles Wood (singer and actor)
Does anyone want to try to clean up this article and its references? Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:02, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Paul Ritter (actor)
Hello, I've added Paul Ritter (actor) as an article I believe is within your scope. Cloudbound (talk) 18:20, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Mary Phelps Jacob
Given that Mary Phelps Jacob is her maiden name, and that for the majority of her adult and professional life she was known as Caresse Crosby, I think this article should be moved to Caresse Crosby. Her notability is two-fold: as a 19 year old, she was the first to patent a design for the modern brassiere. She didn't do much with the patent and sold it before age 22. That fact is associated with her maiden name. Secondly, and more notably, she took the name Caresse at age 33 and with her husband Harry Crosby founded the Black Sun Press that published the early works of many struggling writers, including James Joyce, Kay Boyle,  Ernest Hemingway,  Hart Crane,  D. H. Lawrence,  Rene Crevel,  T. S. Eliot,  and Ezra Pound.

By way of reference, Google returns 10,100 hits for "Mary Phelps Jacob" and 62,000 for "Caresse Crosby." BTW, I'm considering submitting this for Good Article approval, and all input is welcome.

Your thoughts? -- btphelps (talk) (contribs) 21:09, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

GA Review of Akmal Shaikh on hold
The GA review of the Akmal Shaikh article, which is tagged as being within the scope of this project, has been on hold for over 30 days. It is near to being passed, but the Akmal_Shaikh section needs editing to reduce the amount of direct quotation as per Quotations, and also to be trimmed in general to meet GA criteria 3(b): "stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail". Any assistance in this matter would be appreciated. See Talk:Akmal Shaikh/GA1 for more detail. (If you feel that the article does not fall under the scope of this project, please remove the project tag from the article talkpage).  SilkTork  *YES! 10:30, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
 * The article has now passed.  SilkTork  *YES! 14:06, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Local Politicians Creating Their Own Biography Articles
One big problem that I've noticed is that some small time politicians in local elections have made their own articles on themselves (or had a supporter do so) Specifically John Nelson state senator from Nebraska. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_E._Nelson. Steps should be taken soon to either delete these articles or clean them up to conform to neutrality standards. It should be a high priority given the fact that so many people do their electoral research on wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wminich (talk • contribs) 05:46, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 * This issue is also being discussed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Politics of the United Kingdom. Andy Mabbett (User: Pigsonthewing ); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 10:05, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Did Alen Davie have an exibition at the Arcade Gallery Harrogate in the years 1980 to 1989 Malcolm scott artist (talk) 11:54, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Victors Other Family
I live here in Albuquerque, New Mexico and if Victor knew about how much family he has here that support him. Ever;y time he fights my house fills with people from Santo Tomas Chihuahua Mexico to come in his support. Alejando Ortiz is my husband and he has told me of the suffering Victor went thru as a child. Mexican culture is much different from ours. There children are taken out of school at the first grade to become responsible. Bull ...... We would never. There are times when my husband Alejandro woul take Victor for rides in a Horse driven carage.....and he was happy... People cannot make up for the damage the parents do.....but that doesn't me they don't have family. Victor does....but he doesn't know it..... If any one knows how to get a hold of if for us ....we don't want anything more than for him to know how proud we are of all his brothers and sister...... Love Alejandro Ortiz,,,,(Tomate, Cano) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.42.140.118 (talk) 04:00, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Chamaco Ramirez
Most pseudo-biographers on "Chamaco" Ramirez musical trayectory never mention his only musical production as a soloist " Alive and Kicking"; one in which true salsa lovers will find a rich and melodic interpretation of a true sonero !!! Why is it that there's never a slightest mention of this jewel of Ramirez' musical career??? 69.123.195.197 (talk) 05:43, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Samuel Ringgold (US Army officer)
Sam Ringgold,as his biographical article states, was not "famously" or otherwise the 1st American officer to die in the Mexican-American War. He was around the 5th or 6th. There was at least one, and maybe 2, officer(s) killed in the Thornton partol ambush, 2 at Resaca de la Palms, and Maj. Jacob Brown died a day or so prior to Ringgold. I think there was an ambush preceding the Thornton ambush, where an officer might have been killed, as well. At any rate, he wasn't the 1st.

Dan Lawrence —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.97.40.180 (talk) 19:22, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Lily Cole
Lily Cole is currently up for PR and I'd greatly appreciate any comments anyone here might be able to offer. Much obliged, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts?   07:29, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Book clean up
As with articles, WildBot also goes through books and creates problem reports on  their talk page (with details on the cause and effects  of these   problems, and what to do to fix them). There are currently 12 biographies-related book that needs cleanup. If you click on "problems" and don't see something like this, then the problems have been taken care of.


 * Book:Louis Armstrong (problems)
 * Book:Johann Sebastian Bach (problems)
 * Book:Ludwig van Beethoven (problems)
 * Book:David Bowie (problems)
 * Book:James Brown (problems)
 * Book:Johnny Cash (problems)
 * Book:Ray Charles (problems)
 * Book:Manuel de Falla (problems)
 * Book:Bradley Joseph (problems)
 * Book:William Shakespeare (problems)
 * Book:Igor Stravinsky (problems)
 * Book:Leonardo da Vinci (problems)

If someone could  take a look at them, that would be great. If you have any questions, just ask. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 18:37, 17 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Hm. Most of those seem to be on musicians—all but two, in fact!  I created one of them (Stravinsky), actually, and I know Headbomb has now dealt with the issues in that one (thanks!).  I'll check the others and inform WikiProjects Music, Classical Music and Composers if they are still in need of cleanup  --Jubilee♫ clipman  04:11, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Dukes of Cumberland
Hello...I stumbled upon your page when I was looking into The Dukes of Cumberland. I was wondering if you can check back in archives on "illegitimate children" of past dukes?(if noted by chance)- In the early 1800's.(possible 1820-1840)                                I live In the USA..My mother was born in Leeds, England. My Grandmother was also born in England. Her mother was born In Scotland.This is where its a little tricky...Either her father or Grandfather..want to say father..was a illigitimate son of the Duke Of Cumberland. The Duke had an affair with a chambermaid and the child (my greatgreat grandfather)was adopted out to a Scottish family, because of shame. Was wondering if this is a true story? My mother told me this, because she was told this. Just very curious.If you know/find anything, please e-mail me: andiwhome@yahoo.com, because it maybe unlikely I will come back on here. Unless I remember to. Thank you very much.98.144.21.236 (talk)Andrea —Preceding undated comment added 01:24, 25 March 2010 (UTC).

Mr. Hudson
The article reads too much like a press release. Brucevbracken (talk) 03:56, 28 March 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brucevbracken (talk • contribs) 03:54, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Which particular Mr. Hudson? We can't really help without further specification, sorry!  --Jubilee♫ clipman  03:58, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Same person
I think Ben Affleck and Edward Burns are  the same person and actor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.60.67.101 (talk) 00:15, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I think Tiger Woods and Lewis Hamilton are the same person but few would agree, I suspect...   --Jubilee♫ clipman  23:30, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Kingsley Fairbridge (KF)
The Wikipedia subject article states that KF founded the child migration in 1869, This date must be wrong. KF was born on 5 May 1885, per Wikipedia. This birth date is probably correct, since my Father was up at Oxford University with KF in the early nineteen hundreds, and later took children to some farm schools. Reg Rowe (talk) 18:01, 28 March 2010 (UTC) Reg Rowe

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:20th-century people by nationality
Category:20th-century people by nationality, Category:21st-century people by nationality and 123 sub-categories, all of which are under the purview of this WikiProject, has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you.. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:48, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Regarding: Fay GILLIS Wells, aviation pioneer
I'm reading 'Net articles about early female aviators, including Ms GILLIS Wells. Her biography appears in WikiPedia.

The WP article discusses her long marriage to journalist Linton Wells, but mentions no other marriages. According to her obituary, appearing in the New York Times on December 9, 2002:

"Her brief first marriage was to Ellery Walter, a writer." That's it, no further details.

I searched "NewspaperArchive", but could find no mention of that marriage. Is the NYT mention by itself enough to encourage you to add it or do you require more sources? If true, it would be a shame to omit that marriage, as every fact of a person's life leads to greater insight. Whatever you decide, though, is fine.

{Ellery Walter was a colorful character himself: he was orphaned at 14; he developed a blister on his foot in college; the blister lead to "blood poisoning" (septicemia?) that lead in turn to an amputation of his foot and further operations. He became a world traveler and adventurer, writing about his experiences and observations. One book was even titled The World on One Leg. He died April 2, 1935 in St. Petersburg, FL. he's not in Wikipedia.}

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fay_Gillis_Wells

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/12/09/us/fay-gillis-wells-94-aviator-and-journalist.html?scp=1&sq=Fay%20Gillis%20Wells&st=cse

Cheers, WordreaderWordreader (talk) 04:01, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Max Factor person vs Max Factor Inc.
I posted this also on the Max Factor discussion page, but in reading the article, there is absolutely too much Max Factor Inc. info listed there. Check out the Max Factor's Death section. That has nothing at all to do with the person. The article needs splitting and company information needs to be put there, not in the biography section. Anyone want to have a stab at it? I'm not good at rewriting articles like that. MagnoliaSouth (talk) 22:55, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Re: Admiral Jesse B Oldendorf Article
The Admiral Jesse B Oldendorf article has been recently upgraded significantly with content and detailed verifyable inline references.

What is the process for requesting re-evaluation of the article to move it from stub to being a regular article.

I'd like to request such an evaluation be conducted and the article upgraded.

Ussrangercv4 (talk) 02:09, 30 March 2010 (UTC)


 * This is exacty the correct place to request that upgrade. Jesse B. Oldendorf is now at Start class.  This is a nominal class designed to indicate that the article is substantial but may still need some work.  Note "may": I didn't read the article, I just looked at the length.  There is a tag asking for more sources, however.  Cheers  --Jubilee♫ clipman  02:21, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * OTOH, there are around 10 sources used in the article and, though they are books and journals which are not online, most seem to be pretty reliable. I have therefore removed the morerefs tag also --Jubilee♫ clipman  02:28, 30 March 2010 (UTC)


 * This is not "exactly" the correct place to request a reassessment of an article. In future can you please leave requests at WikiProject Biography/Assessment? Thanks. Road Wizard (talk) 07:34, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry: I meant that this project is the correct place to request that reassessement (at least insofar as our banner on its talkpage is concerned). Perhaps a link to that subpage at the head of this talkpage might be helpful?  Most non-members, especially new editors, will have trouble finding it otherwise.  (The present link takes us to the talkpage.)  Best  --Jubilee♫ clipman  07:46, 30 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks everyone for your assistance and sharing your knowledge. It is much appreciated, especially for us new contributors who are just learning the ropes :) Cheers Ussrangercv4 (talk) 10:36, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem --Jubilee♫ clipman  10:40, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Helen Skelton
It should be noted that a Guinness Book world record requires submission of paperwork to verify the record and a fee. Many records exist well beyond the claim of the Guinness Book process merely because the paperwork and fee weren't submitted to Guinness. This may be such a case. Freya Hoffmeister (also recognized in Wikipedia) solo paddled her kayak around the entire continent of Australia in 2009. This was roughly 9600 miles - easily making Freya the world record holder for longest solo journey by a female in a kayak. It should also be noted that the 75 miles claimed by Ms. Skelton as a world record for longest distance paddled my a woman in 24 hours, is regularly overcome during annual ultradistance canoe/kayak races by solo women. Examples of these races are: the Missouri River 340 www.rivermiles.com, the Colorado River 100 www.coloradoriver100.com, the Westminster to Devices race in Britain, the Yukon river race, the Murray River Marathon in Australia, the Texas Water Safari and the Everglades Challenge. Some of these races are supported, while others are unsupported. Many solo women paddle well over 170 miles in 24 hours during these races, but haven't given much effort to sending the appropriate paperwork to Guinness or paying the fee, as their goal has been to compete in their particular race. It should also be noted that, historically, there hasn't been a seperation of male/female in regards to the 24 hour paddling record - as evidenced by Carter Johnson's flat water solo record - which was previously held by a woman at 144 miles until Mr. Johnson broke the record approximately 4 years ago. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Westergaardhansen (talk • contribs) 20:29, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
 * The article makes no claim that she has set any Guinness World Record, it just quotes a MP saying that she may have done so, subject to ratification by GWR. Your repeated attempts to insert the above paragraph into the article are unhelpful and could easily set the impression that a claim has been made that she has set one or more records.  If they are ratified the fact that you appear to think that they aren't valid is immaterial as neither you nor I set the criteria for inclusion in GWR. NtheP (talk) 19:42, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Population of Category:19XX deaths
I thought people at this project might be interested in this graph as it seems to have met with a bit of approval at the Village Pump. It shows the population of each "Category:19XX deaths" (the vertical axis) against the corresponding year. Note the bulges for WWI and WWII (and slight for Vietnam) as well as the steady increase from 1900 until 2000 as a) more people are around to die from higher population growths, b) there are probably more mediums for people to be notable in and c) more information is available on more recent people and they are in popular memory more. SGGH ping! 19:06, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
 * See Village pump (miscellaneous) for more on this --Jubilee♫ clipman 20:28, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Harry S. Truman featured article review
nominated Harry S. Truman for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Geschichte (talk) 17:52, 31 March 2010 (UTC)