Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography/Archive 48

Possible copyvio?
I noticed an announcement on another WP talk page regarding free access to the American National Biography Online website in conjunction with Library Week. After browsing a handful of entries on that site, I was left with the impression that there's probably a good amount of content scattered throughout biographical articles on Wikipedia which was lifted directly from these entries. Doing this on my phone limits what I can accomplish, so I can't say that I can be of further help before the free access expires in another three days. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 16:24, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Help with adding citations & up-to-date sources to a page.
Hello everyone. I am new to Wikipedia, so please be easy on me while I try to learn how this works.

My name is Ryn Climenhaga, and this page is the page of my late grandfather, John Leroy Climenhaga. It has been tagged for clean-up because it reads as an obituary (hard to avoid, when he died several years ago). I would like to enlist the help of some people who can help me track down some up-to-date sources of his work, contributions, and any suggestions you may have as to how to properly edit a Wikipedia page.

You can also email me at rynchilla@gmail.com; I check my email at least once a week. Many thanks!

Thank you for yopur comments re my inclusion of corrections to the Leslie Flint Blog. I wonder if the author knew flint, has read the scientific works behainf his'her assertions, or heard Flints recordings. How much experince of this type of mediumship has the author ?. I speak out after 25 years of research in the field, and against biased reporting. I am quite happy to re write the Flint blog with references and provide corections without the bias.

Dr Malcolm Lewis — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.64.92.6 (talk) 09:19, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Notability of Oscar Goodman (oncologist)
Could someone take a look at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Oscar Goodman (oncologist) ? I didn't create the article. I suspect the subject may be notable, but I'm not sure. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 15:49, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Tujamo and Plastik Funk
Do these articles support having a notability banner? They seem to be WP:1E articles, in my opinion, but a different editor disputed that. -- 70.24.250.192 (talk) 23:28, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Regarding the Wiki Article on Luis Ponce de Leon
One important point has been missed in Luis Ponce de Leon's page.

Let me begin by adding a resource document from the archives of Spain:

1: Luis Ponce de Leon was the son of Adelantado, Juan Ponce de Leon:

Resource document:

Archivo: Archivo General de Indias Signatura: INDIFERENTE,419,L.4,F.27R Código de Referencia: ES.41091.AGI/22.15.413//INDIFERENTE,419,L.4,F.27R Titulo Nombre atribuido: Licencia de esclavos Fecha Creación: 1512-09-28 Logroño Signatura Histórico: INDIFERENTE,419,L.4,F.27R Alcance y Contenido: Real Cédula a los oficiales de la Casa de la Contratación para que dejen pasar a Juan Ponce de León o a quien su poder tuviere tres esclavos y tres esclavas cristianos, a La Española para el servicio de un hijo Luis Ponce según tenía licencia. Índices de Descripción: Esclavos Isla de Santo Domingo (República Dominicana y Haití) Notas del Archivero: Descripción elaborada por ARCHIVO GENERAL DE INDIAS

2: Luis Ponce de Leon was a Juez de Residencia. A judge of residence and alive during 1526.

Archivo: Archivo General de Indias Signatura: PATRONATO,16,N.1,R.4 Código de Referencia: ES.41091.AGI/1.16416.2.14.2//PATRONATO,16,N.1,R.4 Titulo Nombre atribuido: Cartas de Hernán Cortés Fecha Creación: 1526 Historia Institucional / Reseña Biográfica: patronato Alcance y Contenido: 1) Carta de Hernán Cortés al Rey Carlos I. Relata su viaje de La Habana a Nueva España pasando por la isla de San Juan, las noticias que recibió en México sobre la llegada a Medellín de Luis Ponce de León, juez de residencia y refiere la llegada a Tehuantepec de una nao de las que llevó Loaysa a Maluco. Temistitán, (Tenochtitlán), 3 de septiembre de 1526. Hay duplicado de esta carta fechado en Temistitán (Tenochtitlán), 11 de septiembre de 1526. 2) Carta de Hernán Cortés a la Audiencia de Santo Domingo en la que da cuenta desde La Habana, de sus operaciones en la provincia de Higueras. La Habana, 13 de mayo de 1526

3: It is always good to have two sources that prove that Luis Ponce de Leon was Juan Ponce de Leon's son:

Archivo: Archivo General de Indias Signatura: INDIFERENTE,420,L.10,F.162V-163V Código de Referencia: ES.41091.AGI/1.16403.15.414//INDIFERENTE,420,L.10,F.162V-163V Real Provisión Fecha Creación: 1525-11-17, (Toledo) - Alcance y Contenido: Real Provisión de D. Carlos y D. Juana haciendo merced del oficio de regidor de la ciudad de Puerto Rico de la isla de San Juan, a Garci Troche vecino de dicha ciudad, con todos sus derechos y prerrogativas y con tal que no sea clerigo de corona por renuncia que hizo en su favor de dicho oficio D. Luis Ponce de León hijo del Adelantado Juan Ponce de León Adelantado Carlos, rey Clérigo de corona Isla de San Juan (Puerto Rico) Juan, reina Mercedes Ponce de León, Juan Ponce de León, Luis Puerto Rico Troche, Garci Notas del Archivero: Descripción elaborada por ARCHIVO GENERAL DE INDIAS Fecha de la Descripción: 2003-03-21

In the document above Luis Ponce de Leon has been named as being the son of Juan Ponce de Leon, discoverer and governor of la Florida. By the way, Luis Ponce de Leon's in law has also been mentioned, Garci Troche who married Luis' sister. The daughter of Juan Ponce de Leon. Refer to my book, Juan Ponce de Leon His New And Revised Genealogy.

4: Hernan Cortez was suspected of killing Luis Ponce de Leon.

Archivo: Archivo General de Indias Signatura: PATRONATO,170,R.29 Código de Referencia: ES.41091.AGI/1.16416.5.10.1//PATRONATO,170,R.29 Titulo Nombre atribuido: Hernán Cortés:muerte de Luis Ponce de León Fecha Creación: 1526 Historia Institucional / Reseña Biográfica: patronato Alcance y Contenido: Probanza y certificaciones de médicos a petición de Hernán Cortés sobre que éste no había dado muerte a Luis Ponce de León, cómo se suponía, sin embargo de que fray Tomás Ortiz persuadía a Cortés no recibiese a Ponce, pues venía como juez de residencia y le cortaría la cabeza.

Here above in this document, Luis did die during the latter half of 1526. Proving the statement made in the article about date of death. Ayes, sic, Proof and certifications of doctors by petition of Hernan Cortez, regarding that he didn't murder Luis Ponce de Leon. A frey Tomas Ortiz tried to persuade Cortez not to receive Ponce who was coming as a Juez de Residencia and he should cut his head off. In any case, Luis Ponce de Leon wasn't coming to Mexico in the position of a governor.

5: The document below list many charges against Hernan Cortez, one of them inform that he was suspected of murdering Luis Ponce de Leon.

Archivo: Archivo General de Indias Signatura: PATRONATO,17,R.24 Código de Referencia: ES.41091.AGI/28.2.14.3//PATRONATO,17,R.24 Titulo Nombre atribuido: Residencia segunda a Hernán Cortés Signatura Histórico: PATRONATO,17,R.24 Historia Institucional / Reseña Biográfica: patronato Alcance y Contenido: 1) En papeles de Justicia 220 a 225, se halla, en seis legajos, la residencia que por segunda Real Cédula despachada en Madrid el 5 de abril de 1528 dirigida a Nuño de Guzmán, presidente de la Audiencia de México y a los licenciados Juan Ortiz de Matienzo y Diego Delgadillo, oidores de la misma, se mandó tomar a Hernán Cortés. Se dio este encargo al presidente y oidores, en virtud de la muerte que en México acaeció al licenciado Luis Ponce de León, quien por Real Cédula dada en Toledo el 4 de noviembre de 1525 fue nombrado para tal comisión.

2) Propuesta de Hernán Cortés a Su Majestad, ofreciéndose ir al descubrimiento del Mar del Sur, a su costa, con armadas completas por primera y segunda vez. Dice que tenía descubiertas algunas tierras y había enviado a Su Majestad oro, plata y otras producciones de aquellas partes. Pide ciertas mercedes para él y sus sucesores, en atención a las grandes utilidades que producirá a Su Majestad dicho descubrimiento. Sin fecha. 3) Relación de los cargos que resultaron en una pesquisa secreta que se hizo en Nueva España por Nuño de Guzmán, Juan Ortiz de Matienzo y el licenciado Delgadillo, presidente y oidores de la Audiencia de Nueva España, remitida a Su Majestad para los fines que convinieran. Está firmada por los tres y por Gregorio de Saldaña, escribano de Su Majestad.

Cargo 1º.- Sobre que Cortés tenía la mayor parte de la tierra y mucho señorío y que en su grandeza parecía un segundo rey. Este cargo está contestado en todas sus partes por los testigos examinados: Bernardino Vázquez de Tapia, Gonzalo Mejía, don Cristóbal de Ojeda, Juan de Burgos, Antonio Serrano, Rodrigo de Castañeda y otros.

Cargo 2º.- Sobre que Cortés era señor absoluto de aquella tierra y que tenía todo el oro que apetecía. Así lo afirmaron los testigos: Gonzalo Mejía, el doctor Cristóbal de Ojeda, Juan de Burgos, Antonio Serrano, Rodrigo de Castañeda, Juan de Mansilla, Juan Coronel, Andrés de Monjaraz y García del Pilar.

Cargo 3º.- Sobre que Cortés no tuvo la fidelidad de vida a Su Majestad, cuya proposición aseguran ciertos testigos.

Cargo 4º.- Sobre haber tenido Cortés excesos carnales con muchas mujeres, algunas de ellas sus parientas en 4º grado y también con 3 hijas de Moctezuma. Así se justifica por varias declaraciones de testigos.

Charge 4, Cortez has been accused of carnal relationships with women who were 4th grade relatives as well as three daughters of Moctazuma. Again various witnesses testified against him.

Cargo 5º.- Sobre la muerte que Hernán Cortés dio a su mujer Catalina Juárez. Así se justifica por varias declaraciones de testigos, pues la noche en que murió se acostó buena y sana con su marido, y a la hora y media era ya difunta. Por ciertas señales que se le hallaron en la garganta se creyó que fue ahogada con un cordel, habiéndole quitado unas gargantillas que tenía en el cuello para no impedirle la muerte, las cuales se encontraron derramadas en la cama. Esta Catalina Juárez se quedó en la isla de Santo Domingo o Fernandina al separarse de ella su marido e impulsada de su cariño se fue a Nueva España, donde le sucedió su desgraciada muerte. Fueron testigos Juan de Burgos, Ana Rodríguez, Elvira Fernández, Piolanta Rodríguez (estas tres damas de la difunta), Isidro Moreno (este dice que la muerte acaeció en el año de 1522), Martín de Vera y Francisco de Orduña.

In Charge number 5, Cortez has been accused of murdering his wife, Catalina Juarez. Again various people testify against Cortez.

Cargo 6º.- Sobre la muerte que Cortés dio a Luis Ponce de León. Dicen los testigos, y particularmente, el doctor Cristóbal de Ojeda, que conocieron a Luis Ponce de León, juez de residencia de Nueva España, que habiendo llegado a un pueblo llamado Estepalapa, le tenían dispuesta una gran cena por orden de Cortés, y entre los manjares que se sirvieron a la mesa estaba un plato de requesón o manjar blanco del cual comió el dicho Ponce con algún exceso y a los pocos minutos se puso malo y muy acongojado. Sin embargo, se levantó de la cama y se puso en camino para México: se le aplicaron varias medicinas siendo una de ellas por mano de una india, que le hizo arrojar una cosa ya muy hedionda y podrida; pero a los 17 días murió. Los testigos que deponen sobre una inesperada muerte son: Francisco de Orduña, Lope de Samaniego (quien como testigo ocular relaciona con detalle lo que ocurrió). Estos testigos y otros dicen que Andrés de Tapia fue cómplice en esta muerte.

(Ayes, sic, in the 6th charge against Cortez, he has been accused of killing Luis Ponce de Leon per witnesses that have been named. They said that Cortez poisoned Luis Ponce and that Andres de Tapia was an accomplice. It is interesting to note that Luis Ponce de Leon was not serving as a governor at the time of his death. He was still a Juez de Residencia when he died.) Luis was served food during a dinner and according to witnesses he ate excessively to the point of getting ill within a few minutes. In any case, later, Luis got up from his bed and prepared to leave for Mexico. He was given various medicines by an Indian woman that made him vomit something awful and rotten, Luis Ponce de Leon died 17 days later. Sorry to have to challenge his death by fever. But the archival record tells another story.

Cargo 7º.- Sobre la muerte que se dio a Francisco de Garay. Dicen los testigos que Cortés envió con un paje suyo, un torrezno flamenco, al licenciado Marcos de Aguilar, justicia mayor en México, quien habiendo comido de él se acercó infinito a la muerte, lo que no se verificó por haberle dado a beber aceite, con lo que pudo vomitar mucho.

In charge number 7, Cortez has been accused of murdering Francisco de Garay via one of his pages sent to Garay.

Cargo 8º.- Sobre que al tiempo que quería Cortés enviar a descubrir la especiería, dejó ciertas cosas de Su Majestad abandonadas. El testigo Hernán Pérez de Bocanegra dice que estando gobernando en México, como justicia mayor, Marcos de Aguilar tras la muerte de Luis Ponce de León, sabiendo que un navío que se dirigía hacia la especiería enviado por Su Majestad desde España en conserva de otros navíos de los que iba por capitán general, fray García de Loaysa, llegó al puerto de Tehuantepec, en el Mar del Sur, y por muerte de este capitán en Oaxaca, se intentó nombrar al que declara, lo cual impidió Cortés con su autoridad y poderío. Este testigo detalla las contestaciones que tuvo con Cortés sobre dicha expedición, y los acontecimientos con Alvaro de Saavedra. Marcos Ruiz dice que Juan de Umbría por mandado de Cortés había ido al Mar del Sur, donde cortó dos árboles, diciendo que tomaba posesión de ella en nombre de Su Majestad. Lope de Samaniego, Gonzalo de Salazar y Alonso de Estrada dicen que Cortés tuvo toda la provincia de Michoacán mucho tiempo sin repartir, cuyo delito le reprendieron los oficiales reales, diciéndole repartir a Su Majestad algunas provincias, a lo que Cortés respondió con mucho enojo: 'Si mucha tierra tengo, mucha he menester, que yo lo he ganado, que toda es poca para mí, y en esto no cureis de hallarme que si tierra tengo, poco le costó al Rey, y que de ello informasen a Su Majestad lo que quisieren' Índices de Descripción: Aguilar, Marcos de Burgos, Juan de Castañeda, Rodrigo de Coronel, Juan Cortés, Hernán Cuba, isla de Delgadillo, Diego Estepalapa Estrada, Alonso de Fernández, Elvira Garay, Francisco de, adelantado gobernador de Jamaica Guantepeque, puerto de Guzmán, Nuño de, presidente Audiencia México, gobernador y capitán general Nueva Galicia y Pánuco Juárez, Catalina, mujer de Hernán Cortés Loaisa, García de, fray, general Madrid, documentos fechos en Mansilla, Juan de Mar del Sur Mejía, Gonzalo, regidor de México México México, Audiencia Michoacán Moctezuma, señor de Nueva España Monjaraz, Andrés de Moreno, Isidro Nueva España Oaxaca (México) Oidor de la Audiencia de México Ojeda, Cristóbal de Orduña, Francisco de Ortiz de Matienzo, Juan Pérez de Bocanegra y Córdoba, Hernán Pilar, García del Ponce de León, Luis, licenciado y juez de residencia Rodríguez, Ana Rodríguez, Piolanta Ruiz, Marcos Saavedra, Alvaro de Saavedra, Cerón, Alvaro de Salazar, Gonzalo de Saldaña, Gregorio de, escribano del Rey Samaniego, Lope de Serrano, Antonio Tapia, Andrés de Tehuantepec (México) Toledo (España), documentación hecha en Umbría, Juan de Valle, marqués del Vázquez de Tapia, Bernardino Vera, Martín de Instrumentos de Descripción: Descripción incluida en INVENTARIO DE LA SECCION DE PATRONATO. TOMO I Descripción incluida en INVENTARIO DE LA SECCION DE PATRONATO. TOMO I

Luis Ponce de Leon was the youngest son of Juan Ponce de Leon and Dona Beatriz de Luna y Ponce de Leon.

Children of the aforementioned:

i: Juan Gonzalez Ponce de Leon, born 1481 ii Juana Ponce de Leon born 1475, married, Garci Troche de Olmedo iii Maria Ponce de Leon born 1476, married Gaspar Troche de Olmedo brother of Garci Troche. iv Isabel Ponce de Leon born 1477, married Antonio de la Gama. v Luis Ponce de Leon born 1478. Died 1526 Mexico City.

Another point of note: Another document confirms that Luis Ponce de Leon was the Son of Juan Ponce de Leon:

Archivo: Archivo General de Indias Signatura: INDIFERENTE,419,L.4,F.27R Código de Referencia: ES.41091.AGI/22.15.413//INDIFERENTE,419,L.4,F.27R Titulo Nombre atribuido: Licencia de esclavos Fecha Creación: 1512-09-28 Logroño Signatura Histórico: INDIFERENTE,419,L.4,F.27R Alcance y Contenido: Real Cédula a los oficiales de la Casa de la Contratación para que dejen pasar a Juan Ponce de León o a quien su poder tuviere tres esclavos y tres esclavas cristianos, a La Española para el servicio de un hijo Luis Ponce según tenía licencia. Índices de Descripción: Esclavos Isla de Santo Domingo (República Dominicana y Haití) Notas del Archivero: Descripción elaborada por ARCHIVO GENERAL DE INDIAS

Ayes, sic, Royal decree to the officials of the Casa de la Contratacion, so they can allow passage to Juan Ponce de Leon or whom ever has been given the power, to take six slaves, Christians, three males and three females to Isla Espanola to serve his son, Luis Ponce de Leon who has the license.

I hope this helps to clarify some important points regarding Luis Ponce de Leon. The aforementioned documents are within my book, Juan Ponce de Leon, His New and Revised Genealogy.

By the way, thanks for citing my book within the Wiki Article written about Alonso de Maldonado Diez de Ledesma.

Ayesart (talk) 14:17, 23 April 2014 (UTC) Ayesart, aka, John J. Browne Ayes.
 * Thanks for the notification here, I'd suggest compressing this section, and moving the bulk of the material above to the talk page here, then leaving notice here for editors to come there and look at making such additions - it should really be kept with the article.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 17:19, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Afghan_Girl#Requested_move_22_April_2014
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Afghan_Girl. Discussion concerns whether the subject of this famous photo should have a biography or not, and what the article should be titled. Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 17:19, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Move request at Talk:Sarah Jane Brown
There is currently a move request at Talk:Sarah Jane Brown in which some project members might be interested. 131.111.185.66 (talk) 20:11, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Request for review at AfC
Hello all, I have created an article on a British M.P. and, because I am new to WP, I have put in Articles for Creation. At the moment, there is a backlog of articles, so if anyone here would be kind enough to have a look and possibly review it, that would be greatly appreciated. The article is here: Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Ayscoghe Boucherett. Many thanks, --Noswall59 (talk) 17:28, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Pulitzer Fountain, NYC model
In the Plaza hotel article, it states that Doris Doscher was the model for the statue but on Audrey Munson's page it says she was the model for the statue. Did both model at some point? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.250.8.206 (talk) 00:28, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Copyright for the photo "James I Ausman, M.D., Ph.D.jpg"
To the editors of Wikipedia: I have been requested by a Wikipedia editor to confirm that I own the copyright for the photo "James I Ausman, M.D., Ph.D.jpg" uploaded in this entry under my name (James I. Ausman) and I identify that this is a picture of me, that I own the copyright, and that I freely allow the use of this photo in Wikipedia. Any questions, e-mail me at jamesausman@mac.com 98.150.106.1 (talk) 20:45, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Phillip Deidesheimer
The Wikipedia biography of Phillip Deidesheimer states that he was Jewish. There is no documentary evidence to substantiate that. The proof should be identified or the statement should be removed. It was believed he was Jewish because he was born near a village with the same name (Deidesheimer) which had Jewish residents. Mark Stern 173.55.19.9 (talk) 19:02, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that - I've added a ref for his parents, mentioned in an unacknowledged cut & paste from an online encyclopedia. Do you have a source that states that this is a mistake? Fiddlersmouth (talk) 20:40, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Lack of sufficient references
This is an enjoyable read but in nearly every paragraph there's a claim or opinion with absolutely nothing to back it up. Where is it reported that Luke was fired for asking for more money on the building site? It's claimed that Ronnie Drew remarked of Luke that he sang with 'perfect diction' or that he stuck to his political beliefs throughout his life. Where are these claims reported? The pubs charging pay-in at the door during the ballads boom. Where is the reported evidence of this?

They are just three examples of a problem running through the whole article. It just feels like someone GavinPaisley (talk) 17:48, 5 May 2014 (UTC)telling a story, with no interest in backing it up with facts. Grand as a yarn but not for Wikipedia where people are looking for factual info. I would advise anyone interested in the life of Luke Kelly to read Des Geraghty's biography. It can be ordered from Dublin City Library, I got it ten years ago.

Reminder: Biographies under General Sanctions
Per ”Discretionary Sanctions/Current areas of conflict" section which links to all the various active Arbitrations, we are reminded that a past Arbitration imposed Discretionary Sanctions - enforceable by an Administrator - on Articles with biographical content relating to living or recently deceased people, and edits relating to the subject (living or recently deceased) of such biographical articles.

When having problems with BLPs that you have to bring to Biographies noticeboard or Administrators Noticeboard it is important to link to that section of the Discretionary sanctions page so that Administrators will not be so reluctant to enforce sanctions against editors who egregiously or chronically violate WP:BLP policy. I added the link to the Announcements template. Thanks. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 14:34, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Peer review: Hunyadi family
Comments and suggestions would be appreciated here. Borsoka (talk) 05:31, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Current discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biographies
See current proposal to include place of birth and death within the brackets in the opening sentence of biography articles - I find it hard to believe this is what people really want, but certainly more people should participate. Deb (talk) 09:31, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Former noble names of Germans
There’s no nobility in Germany. It’s been abolished in 1918–1920 with monarchy. Former titles have become immutable part of the surname accordingly, e.g. Johann Graf von Blödefeld instead of Graf Johann von Blödefeld or Johann, Graf von Blödefeld or John, Count of Bloedefeld. The only exception being gender adaptation, e.g. Johanna Gräfin von Blödefeld.

When reading German name, however, I stumbled on examples for excessive use of given names in people born long after WW1, e.g. “Johann Friedrich Konrad Carl Eduard Horst Arnold Matthias, Prince of Saxe-Meiningen, Duke of Saxony”. His legal German name, however, is probably … Konrad … Prinz von Sachsen-Meiningen or … Konrad … von Sachsen-Meiningen. His lemma should be Konrad Prinz von Sachsen-Meiningen or Konrad von Sachsen-Meiningen, not Konrad, Prince of Saxe-Meiningen since he is not a prince. Names, contemporary ones at least, must not be translated into English.

There are more complicated cases like Ernst August von Hannover who 1. seems to be a heir to the English throne and 2. married Caroline of Monaco and thereby may have (acquired) nobility in a different, aristocrat country (or two of them). — Christoph Päper 11:21, 10 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Right, but we are not obliged to title Wikipedia articles with the subject's legal name. No one is denying that the German aristocracy's legal privileges were abolished but they are still free to style themselves by their title even if they are not legally recognized. Seven Letters 19:05, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
 * The answer I got at WP:NC (royalty and nobility) suggests to “follow the general article titling policy”. I’m not sure what exactly that means, though, because I never edit – save create – articles about people. It could be WP:ON or UCN. If reliable sources – and I’m speculating here, wildly – from the UK tend to use aristocrat titles and such from the US don’t, even WP: is relevant.
 * That’s saying, you’re right that we don’t always have to choose the legal name as a lemma, but the descendants of such families are not “free to style themselves by their title”; doing so would even be a punishable offense in Austria (but not in Germany) as far as I know, because they just don’t have a title (unlike people from aristocrat countries like the UK). The only source that would apply such outdated titles is the “yellow press”, hardly what I would consider reliable. Anyway, we also don’t always have to choose the name the individual applies to themself.
 * In conclusion, we should use the lemma as uncontroversial as possible and that is not to include any titles, so I’ll state it more precisely: Konrad von Sachsen-Meiningen is preferable over Konrad Prinz von Sachsen-Meiningen. Comma notation must be reserved for actual nobility. — Christoph Päper 11:19, 22 April 2014 (UTC)


 * What individual countries do in law is irrelevant here. Many countries don't have a concept of "legal name"; others do but many subject's legal names are utterly obscure. The monarchies & aristocracies in many countries married outside their own borders and have often picked up all manner of hereditary titles in the process; add in the many changes to states over the years and it can become utterly unclear just what titles were and weren't "abolished". It would be particularly ridiculous to title an article on a descendent of a pre WWI German aristocrat by some utterly obscure Belgian/Danish or Spanish title that is never actually used by anyone on any "side" in all this but is the highest undisputed one or have great debates about just where the legal authority went for a state conquered & annexed in 1648 but with what we now call a government in exile fizzling out a decade later. Or the more general one about whether existing titles can actually be "abolished" by a new political regime or whether creations in perpetuity cannot be repealed at all. Then there's the fact that a lot of the aristocracies in question have settled outside the borders of the new republics and some don't actually hold citizenships of the republic (with titles being a particular point of contention); their current home countries take a wild variety of approaches to this for political reasons but really don't go policing what is on an electricity bill or in a Hello! magazine caption. But to pretend that "no titles" is inherently uncontroversial is simply wrong; often the titles are widely used by the sources that discuss the subject in question including the serious press and biographies and the "commoner" names are frequently the creation of hardline republicans and not used by the subjects themselves or by many reliable sources. The point of following the standard naming conventions is to avoid endless and frankly POV debate that often seems to aim more to make a statement than to decide the best way to list and find a subject. Timrollpickering (talk) 11:10, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree with your strawman argument that we shouldn’t use obscure titles unused by the individual (and others). But we also shouldn’t use titles that an individual has no right to use. Yes, titles can be revoked since they can be granted by the same authority or its legal successor. Whether some countries do not enforce legal names is also irrelevant, because all European ones do, of which contemporary Germany and Austria are of particular interest here.
 * If someone is accepted as the leader of an extended, multinational family (or “house”), they may assume a title within that family, but unless it is recognized elsewhere (law, press, …) it’s irrelevant for Wikipedia, especially for lemmas. Confusion must be avoided and it arises when someone is called the prince (or whatever) of x where x is an existing country or state which is not a kingdom (any more), because readers will assume rights that do not exist.
 * Legal name and no title are very good general rules that may be broken with good cause, i.e. when it has been shown for any individual article that “the titles are widely used by the sources that discuss the subject in question”. To just include noble titles in all of these cases makes a point in favor of aristocracy. That’s not NPOV. That’s not encyclopedic. That’s not following the standard naming conventions. — Christoph Päper 15:35, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Not all European countries have the legal name concept but it's irrelevant as article titles are not based on legal name or whether or not the republics have the power to abolish the titles (there are many who strongly argue they don't and can only impact the names used within the state itself; a mess best not gone into) but on what is used in reliable sources combined with making any title's use the accurate form. "Rights" to titles are irrelevant and we are not an organ of the German or Austrian states. It is a fact that sources covering the descendants of the abolished monarchies and aristocracies frequently do follow the convention that titles exist in perpetuity (or at least until the line of descent dies out) regardless of what the present state says - the Greek government's issues with "King Constantine II" are amongst the best known and generally ignored by sources around the world. What would not be NPOV is to start arbitarily titling articles on the basis of whether or not someone has a "right" to a particular title. That's making a point in itself. Timrollpickering (talk) 15:52, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I think i agree with Tim on this. If reliable sources regularly call someone Fred, Prince of Denmark - even if he's not legally the prince of Denmark, then we should title the article in that fashion. We should leave it up to sources to decide whether they will follow self-styled titles or not. No-one gave Lady Gaga the right to call herself a Lady, and I'm quite sure Prince is not really a noble, but we use those titles because that's what RS call those people.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 16:06, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
 * The legal name – as it would appear in a passport or birth certificate – is a reliable source, one of many probably, but one after all. I don’t know any European country that doesn’t issue such documents to all of its citizens (be it mandatory or on demand), Germany and Austria certainly do. The legal name, if one exists and is known, is also included in basically every biographic article, often in the lede, see the cited articles about Lady Gaga and Prince for instance. Articles like the one on Konrad von Sachsen-Meiningen do not include it, for no apparent reason.
 * I assume, of course, that people are not merely noteworthy (and hence get a WP entry) simply because they were born to a (once) noble family. If you don’t believe in that assertion, I can understand where your objection comes from, but cannot share it obviously.
 * The only thing I’m asking (now) is that we use the legal name for this group of Germans and Austrians unless the (quantitative or qualitative) majority of reliable sources does otherwise. That reversal of the burden of proof is absolutely in compliance with what User:Obiwankenobi or the general article titling policy say. — Christoph Päper 12:49, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
 * we should name articles based on WP:AT, not legal name. If the legal name is the same way they are referred to in sources, then we should do this. In other words if sources regularly call this person X, prince of Y - even if they aren't 'legally' a prince, I don't know if that should change how we name them should it? Can you give an example where someone is called prince but reliable sources dont call them this?--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 13:13, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

I'm just an outside observer on the issue, but there seems to be confusions on legal names and translated names in this debate. "Hirohito, Emperor Showa" is an English translation of "昭和天皇裕仁". The relationship between the two ways to describe the same name is, I think, exactly the same between "Konrad, Prince of Saxe-Meiningen" and "Konrad Prinz von Sachsen-Meiningen". The name being spelled in German is a completely separate issue to it being a legal name. Please do not mix them up. Yiba (talk &#124; contribs) 04:55, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Almost. “Konrad, Prince of Saxe-Meiningen” or “Prince Konrad of Saxe-Meiningen” would be English translations of the titular “Prinz Konrad von Sachsen-Meiningen” or “Konrad, Prinz von Sachsen-Meiningen”, whereas “Konrad Prinz von Sachsen-Meiningen” or “Konrad von Sachsen-Meiningen” would be a name that must not be translated. For some reason, the articles in question (and their lemmas) only use titles, not names although they exist. — Christoph Päper 20:28, 10 May 2014 (UTC)


 * A "legal name" is not just "whatever is used on certain documents". A "legal name" is the name the relevant law recognises and applies to a person. The concept doesn't really exist in my country where people can use whatever name they like so long as it's not intended to be fraudulent and frequently people have different names on their birth certificates and passports without having undergone any formal process to change their "legal name". If the descendent of a German or Austrian aristocrat is living here and is using their family's title then the only concern of authorities here is whether or not it can be correctly fitted into the pro forma. (And there are massive problems with "legal names" if someone either holds multiple nationalities with conflicting naming laws or if they are not a current citizen of the country or its physical successor from where their title comes from - and historically there have been a lot in exile.)
 * In terms of noteworthiness whether we like it or not it's a fact that a lot of societies have been hereditary based for a long time and interest in & coverage of the royal families & aristocracies does not magically disappear in a single republican revolution. And that does affect how the sources treat the subjects, often sticking to recognisable titles rather than making up names not used by the subject or having a dubious basis. (Again the battle between the Greek republic and ex-King Constantine/Constantine de Grecia/Constantine Glucksburg is one of the highest profile examples of this mess.) We should stick to the straight forward tests of "What is the subject normally called in reliable sources?" and "Is the subject recognisable from this title?", not start creating an exceptional case based on German and/or Austrian republican POV. Timrollpickering (talk) 11:37, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Are the Chappelles for real?
Hi, I came across these articles but am not sure if they are genuine. The references look dodgy to me: none are online, most are highly obscure journals, others will likely be pay-for archives. Are these real people, and if so then do they merit biographies on Wikipedia? Sorry to butt in like this, but I don't normally bump into the criteria for biographies. &mdash; Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 18:47, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Charles W. Chappelle
 * Pat H. Chappelle
 * Julius Caesar Chappelle
 * Just noticed this thread. I started the article on The Rabbit's Foot Company several years ago, when I had only just begun editing here, and can assure you that Pat H. Chappelle, who founded that company, is certainly real and highly notable.  It's gratifying that he now has his own article.  I don't know anything about the other two Chappelles, but at first sight they both appear to be notable as well.  The editor who has started those articles, User:HACNY, is new and may not yet be fully acquainted with usual practice and conventions here.  Particularly, the articles seem highly dependent - some would say over-dependent - on offline rather than online sources.  I certainly think we should assume good faith here, and editors should both add whatever online sources can be found, and make sure that the articles align more closely with our style conventions.  But, I'm very glad that the articles have been started.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 19:42, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you. &mdash; Cheers, Steelpillow (Talk) 20:54, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

AfD Patrick Carlin, Jr.
There is an AfD on whether George Carlin's brother should be deleted due to lack of reliable third-party sources. XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 18:16, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Joan Hunter Dunn
The page Joan Hunter Dunne gives its subject a spurious name: there is no evidence anywhere of her being spelled with the trailing E. Her Guardian newspaper obituary (for example), as well as Betjeman in the famous poem, spell her "Joan Hunter Dunn". The article content is all spelled correctly already.

Correcting this has been an unopposed proposal in the Talk page since 2008. You need more editing privileges than I own to rename the page. Can it be fixed please? 2.25.44.97 (talk) 06:56, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! 2.25.51.252 (talk) 19:23, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Adrianne Wadewitz for Peer review

 * 1) Adrianne Wadewitz
 * 2) Peer review/Adrianne Wadewitz/archive1

I've nominated the article Adrianne Wadewitz for Peer review.

Discussion is at the peer review subpage, at Peer review/Adrianne Wadewitz/archive1.

Thank you for your time,

&mdash; Cirt (talk) 04:02, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Advice sought for persons claimed to be notable through the Intel International Science and Engineering Fair
A few days ago I deleted an article Nathan Han because I judged the article without it's copyrighted material to fail the standards set down by WP:BIO for notability. Now the editor is asking whether or not s/he can move forward with a plan to recreate the article, pointing out among other things that we have an article here on an ISEF winner named Jack Andraka.

Jack's article does have citations, and isn't in as bad of shape as Han's article was, and I am well aware that the majority of articles that end up here as keepers have in the past begun life as short, weak, and unreferenced stubs that have with community TLC grown up into commendable articles, but in this case given this most recent example I am compelled to seek the input of this project as to whether or not having the articles on ISEF winners constitutes a failure of notability for biography articles on one event grounds. The award in question does appear to be prestigious, but it seems to me that they are notable only for this particular event, and without it would be unable to have an article here. Before I lend my assistance to help rebuild an article I want to make sure that work will not be lost in an afd, so I need some guidance from this project as to whether we are better off without the articles, or if they can stay what we can do to shore up the notability. TomStar81 (Talk) 01:52, 19 May 2014 (UTC)


 * As the writer of the Nathan Han article I wanted to present my position.
 * Nathan Han is an internationally acclaimed scientist recognized in multiple countries. ( / / )


 * Han is the recipient of many prestigious awards including:
 * {| class="wikitable"

! Award Name !! Description
 * The Gordon E. Moore award || (a $75,000 awards given to the winner of ISEF by Intel. The award is given for outstanding research and innovation that has enormous potential to the world |-
 * MSSEF first place 2014 || first place at the Massachusetts State Science and Engineering Fair
 * Mathews-Roth award 2014 || Award for Research Excellence
 * Christa McAuliffe award || highest scoring project at regional fair 2012-2014
 * Association for the Advancement of Artificial Intelligence Special Award Third Place (ISEF) || $500 award given by the AAAI
 * American Statistical Assoc Special Award Third Place || $250 award given by the ASA
 * First place ISEF || $3,000 award given to the top percentage of projects in each category at ISEF
 * Best in category ISEF || $5,000 award given to the best project in each catigory at ISEF
 * }
 * In addition to these awards minor planet #27421 is named nathanhan in his honor
 * American Statistical Assoc Special Award Third Place || $250 award given by the ASA
 * First place ISEF || $3,000 award given to the top percentage of projects in each category at ISEF
 * Best in category ISEF || $5,000 award given to the best project in each catigory at ISEF
 * }
 * In addition to these awards minor planet #27421 is named nathanhan in his honor
 * Best in category ISEF || $5,000 award given to the best project in each catigory at ISEF
 * }
 * In addition to these awards minor planet #27421 is named nathanhan in his honor


 * Winners of ISEF are considered the best high school research students in the world. Nathan is know by over 1,800 students from over 70 countries who attended ISEF this year.  Nathan was also recently featured on a Huffington Post web cast and on WBGH's "Greater Boston". (http://live.huffingtonpost.com/r/segment/teen-winners-of-intel-science-engineering-fair/5375158078c90ae9e3000320)  http://wgbhnews.org/post/boston-student-wins-intel-international-science-award

other news articles about Nathan Han can be found here:


 * http://www.itnewsonline.com/news/15-Year-Old-Nathan-Han-Creates-Machine-Learning-Software-to-Detect-Cancer-Causing-Gene-Mutations/33445/8/3


 * http://technology.inquirer.net/36161/young-scientist-creates-machine-learning-software-tool-to-detect-cancer-causing-gene-mutations


 * http://topnews.us/content/261657-first-award-boston-student-intel-international-science-and-engineering-fair


 * http://indianexpress.com/article/technology/science/delhi-students-wins-first-award-at-intel-international-science-and-engineering-fair/


 * http://radioboston.wbur.org/2014/05/19/boston-genes-intel


 * http://newsroom.intel.com/community/intel_newsroom/blog/2014/05/16/15-year-old-scientist-creates-machine-learning-software-tool-to-detect-cancer-causing-gene-mutations


 * A copy of his abstract can be found here:


 * http://www.massscifair.com/sites/default/files/NathanHanAbstract.pdf

a great video of Nathan winning the Gordon E. Moore award can e found here:
 * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1qANKJ2bk8


 * http://www.thenewsmarket.com/Assets/AssetDetailsPage.aspx?GUID=2ca0918c-aec1-43ca-8738-8d1daf68d413&bhcp=1


 * If anyone would find it useful I can post a breif summary of his work and how it is impacting the field of study.

Pmaurais (talk) 02:30, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Request for EDIT of Mike Parsons profile
Hi all Am new to the 'talk page' and wondering if someone can please help me.

At the request of Mike Parsons, I have been asked to edit the wikipage below, a page that I created a few years ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Parsons_(Barchester_Healthcare)

The reason for this edit is that Mike has now retired from Barchester and wishes for a much lower profile in his retirement. He has asked me simply to leave the following:

"Mike Parsons is a British entrepreneur, best known for founding Barchester Healthcare; a position he retired from in 2013.

"Mike continues to Chair the Barchester Foundation, which helps older people and other adults with a disability (who cannot obtain sufficient state funding and who show greatest need) obtain grants to help lead more fulfilled lives and reach their full potential".

I have made these edits, but they have been undone. This is because I did not realise that I needed to come to the Talk page first, so apologies for that!

all the best

Aisling Kearney Aislingkearney (talk) 11:23, 20 May 2014 (UTC) (Aislingkearney (talk) 11:23, 20 May 2014 (UTC))

Randall Cunningham II spike
In the first 20 days of this month Randall Cunningham II had 720 hits (36 per day). Today, the article is looking like it is going to get 700 for the day. Can anyone help me find a story that might explain this. Please drop a note at Talk:Randall_Cunningham_II.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:43, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Boxxy (2nd nomination)
You are invited to join the discussion at Articles for deletion/Boxxy (2nd nomination). Thanks. Tutelary (talk) 00:50, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Help needed for Walt Disney
I need willing editors to help me on these things: These are for improving this article of a very important figure in modern entertainment history. I will push it to GA and ultimately FA. Every comment helps!Forbidden User (talk) 13:25, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
 * 1) Doing peer review for the article (I requested the review)
 * 2) Discussion about a new section

David Harding (finance)
Hello all, on behalf of David Harding's company, Winton Capital Management, I have requested several updates to the David Harding article based on some recent news coverage. As the David Harding article belongs to this WikiProject I am hopeful that an editor watching this page may be able to help. If so, you can find the full request here. Cheers, WWB Too (Talk · COI) 17:46, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

AfD of possible interest
The following AfD discussion may be of interest to editors on this project... Articles for deletion/List of the mothers of Georgian monarchs. Best regards -Ad Orientem (talk) 11:26, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Julie Hayek
The following additions need to be made to Julie Hayek's page -

Julie Lynne Hayek is an American beauty queen, actress, model, television hostess, Beauty & Fitness expert, and animal rescue advocate. She is best known for winning the Miss USA title.

Early Life Hayek is of Czech and German descent on her father's side and Norwegian, Scottish, Irish, and English on her mother's side.[3][4][5] Her father was an airline pilot and her mother, a high school guidance counselor.[6][7] She graduated from UCLA with a degree in biology.[8] Her daily curriculum included countless hours of studying not only biology; but also chemistry, physics, calculus, and psychology. While cheerleading at UCLA, she was discovered and got her big break. As a result of her popularity, Julie shot a poster for 20th Century FOX (the same people who put out Farrah Fawcett’s poster). After that, she was asked to do a screen test by Paramount Studios (by head of casting Rueben Cannon), was subsequently featured in an NBC Nightly News story, as well as being prominently featured in a Sport’s Illustrated article: Eight Beauties and a Beat.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Faithwilliams777 (talk • contribs) 15:56, 30 May 2014‎ (UTC)

Nicole Redhead → Death of Jaylene Redhead
Nicole Redhead has been proposed to be renamed to Death of Jaylene Redhead, see talk:Nicole Redhead for the discussion -- 65.94.171.126 (talk) 05:46, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Volunteer Work
She works with people with "cleft" lips and palates, not "left" lips and palates.113.162.163.148 (talk) 13:11, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

This is for the page on Vu Thi Hoang My. I thought I was there.113.162.163.148 (talk) 13:13, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Identifying Biographies as a group for Searches on Wikipedia
I am looking for ways to condense the results from searches like .


 * If the biography project has labeled the biographical pages, then, can these pages be tagged during a search, so that all the biographies are shown together alphabetically?


 * Is there a way to search biographical pages on Wikipedia for a particular term? -- For instance, show me all the bio pages that contain the terms "ornithology" or "birding".

I took the 3842 results from the search, then took about 8 hours to manually classify the results into groups. User:RC711/Tree/Ornithology shows the Classified List.

One of the largest groups is Persons, accounting for about 960 of the results. I had a hard time recognizing names other than in English. I sometimes could not be sure if I had a bird name or a person name or a geographic name.

Grouping things into types of pages helps a lot, since I usually know if I am looking for an organization, a person, a place, a topic, a print document or something else. In terms of finding things, it really helps to have the search results in alphabetical order.

While it is a lot of work to do this manually, there might be instances where it is worthwhile, especially if there are many queries to a particular term.

What I am suggesting is that something like this might be useful when directing people to the right place on Wikipedia, if they only have a broad term to start with. It gives an overview of the types of pages containing the search term. If the biographies could be split off and shown alphabetically, that would take out a large group.

Here is a summary of the grouping: RC711 (talk) 22:13, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Cleanup on Robert Stigwood
Hello! I have started a cleanup discussion here for the article on Robert Stigwood and would appreciate some comments. Thanks! Johnny338 (talk) 22:47, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

has been proposed to be renamed to, for the discussion, see talk:Black billionaires -- 65.94.171.126 (talk) 06:14, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

wrong personal information included in wiki page
we having a page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firoz_A._Nadiadwala included wrong information about the correct information is http://bigbarkatall.com/aboutFAN.html please anyone help to improve the wiki page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.143.119.143 (talk) 11:08, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Kelly Mantle
The article on Kelly Mantle has been nomianted for deletion. Please contribute to the deletion discussion at Articles for deletion/Kelly Mantle. Angr (talk) 13:47, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Pride 2014
You are invited to participate in Wiki Loves Pride 2014, a campaign to create and improve LGBT-related content at Wikipedia and its sister projects. The campaign will take place throughout the month of June, culminating with a multinational edit-a-thon on June 21. Meetups are being held in some cities, or you can participate remotely. All constructive edits are welcome in order to contribute to Wikipedia's mission of providing quality, accurate information. Articles related to LGBT biographies may be of particular interest. You can also upload LGBT-related images by participating in Wikimedia Commons' LGBT-related photo challenge. You are encouraged to share the results of your work here. Happy editing! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:06, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Peer review
Requesting input here, please. Snuggums (talk • contributions) 21:04, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Talk for redirects from people
Should all redirects from individual people have talk pages? Or all that represent living people? or generally no talk pages?

Those that represent people do or should carry article categories, and thus routinely DEFAULTSORT:lastname, firstname. Such as R to joint biography, {Redr|spouse}, and so on. --under the pages not subcategories of.

--P64 (talk) 20:54, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Leaflet For Wikiproject Biography At Wikimania 2014
Hi all,

My name is Adi Khajuria and I am helping out with Wikimania 2014 in London.

One of our initiatives is to create leaflets to increase the discoverability of various wikimedia projects, and showcase the breadth of activity within wikimedia. Any kind of project can have a physical paper leaflet designed - for free - as a tool to help recruit new contributors. These leaflets will be printed at Wikimania 2014, and the designs can be re-used in the future at other events and locations.

This is particularly aimed at highlighting less discoverable but successful projects, e.g:

• Active Wikiprojects: Wikiproject Medicine, WikiProject Video Games, Wikiproject Film

• Tech projects/Tools, which may be looking for either users or developers.

• Less known major projects: Wikinews, Wikidata, Wikivoyage, etc.

• Wiki Loves Parliaments, Wiki Loves Monuments, Wiki Loves ____

• Wikimedia thematic organisations, Wikiwomen’s Collaborative, The Signpost

For more information or to sign up for one for your project, go to: Project leaflets Adikhajuria (talk) 10:30, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Mike Ozekhome
I want to report that the page/article Mike Ozekhome, created by me is not a violation of any copyright since proper citation were provided for all references. comments and contributions are welcome to improve the page and keep it from being delected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Charlomos (talk • contribs) 15:09, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Which picture should be used for the lead image of Kamehameha I?
Please feel free to comment on an active dispute on Talk:Kamehameha I/Archive 1.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 06:47, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

How many of people born in year X are male?
Is there a way to answer such a question (based on our biographical articles, so "How many of people born in year X that have biographies on Wikipedia are male?")? If there's a reply here I'd appreciate an echo/ping. Thanks, --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 10:40, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I think this is a WP:Wikidata question. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:53, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I asked there, but Wikidata functionality is not yet up to answering this, so I was hoping for some outside this particular box thinking :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 09:24, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Eponymous categories - Reconsidering the guideline WP:OC
The guidelines for creating categories named after people, which is of interest to this WikiProject, is being discussed to see if it still has consensus. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the Overcategorization talk page. Thank you. RevelationDirect (talk) 05:35, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Diana Serra Cary
Should Diana Serra Cary be at Baby Peggy Montgomery, following the precedent of having Marie Osborne Yeats article at Baby Marie Osborne? Paul Austin (talk) 03:01, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

"Madonna"
The usage of Madonna is up for discussion at Talk:Madonna_(entertainer) where it is requested that the singer's article be moved to "Madonna". -- 65.94.171.126 (talk) 05:25, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Schön scandal
See talk:Schön scandal on whether the article should be about the scandal or the man, and thus the name of the article would be changed. -- 65.94.171.126 (talk) 04:19, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

AfC submission - 07/07
Draft:Sir Richard Threston. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 18:50, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Anglicising names of nobles
There's a significant number of articles about historical nobles whose names in the article title have been anglicised (many examples in Category:House of Hohenzollern, such as Charles Frederick Albert, Margrave of Brandenburg-Schwedt (Karl Friedrich Albrecht) or John Christopher, Count of Hohenzollern-Haigerloch (Johann Christoph)). I would have thought we should be using ther own-language names, unless there's clear evidence that they're widely known by the anglicised form. There will be some such cases - clearly Frederick the Great is much more often used than "Friedrich Wilhelm II" or "Friedrich der Große" - but I doubt that applies to most of them. Colonies Chris (talk) 14:05, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

RSN discussion of use of Perverted-Justice.com as source
Please see discussion here: Reliable_sources/Noticeboard  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) Please 17:15, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Madeleine McCann requests for comments
I have started two requests for comments at Talk:Madeleine McCann. 159.92.1.1 (talk) 18:50, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Boldface for Leading Roles
Heya WikiProject! I'm noticing more often lately that that some articles about actors (most commonly in articles about actors who do voice over work for anime) tend to list leading roles in boldface. There was an edit war at Michelle Ruff a few days ago over this, with one IP user arguing that a few other articles used this convention. I found another today at Yuri Lowenthal. This sort of content seems problematic to me for a number of reasons: 1) MOS:BOLD 2) Attributing "leading roles" seems like OR to me, in the way that describing someone as an "antagonist" is considered OR. See WP:ANTAGONIST 3) Most of these lists are unsourced anyway, so we're relying on someone's recollection of the importance of the role to determine "lead". 4) Wikipedia is not IMDb, so only notable roles should be included anyway. 5) Trivia. 6) Christopher Lee is one of the most prolific modern actors, and his filmography doesn't draw special attention to roles considered "lead". I went through the Yuri Lowenthal article and removed the unnecessary bolding, which was reverted quickly by a user who explained cryptically, "this is nothing related to him, so don't change it." I'd love to get some comments from the biography community about this. (Note: I have raised this question at WikiProject Anime & Manga as well.) Much obliged, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:54, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Addendum According to editor Calathan, this has been dealt with before: Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Archive_134, Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Anime_and_manga/Archive_55. I withdraw my query. Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:00, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Donald Ross (Lord Lieutenant)


The article Donald Ross (Lord Lieutenant) has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * Notability queried a couple of weeks ago and no reply.

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. I am posting this here as the article's creator is no longer active. PatGallacher (talk) 14:26, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Neelam Saxena Chandra
Neelam Saxena Chandra is an extablished writers and all the links given on her site are verifiable. Being an author of fourteen books and many awards, she is fit for being included on wiki. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nikitasaxena (talk • contribs) 16:03, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi, I assume you are writing in response to this: Articles for deletion/Neelam Saxena Chandra. It it appears the editor who submitted the article for deletion has withdrawn the nomination. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:31, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Hey thank you so much Cyphoidbomb. I will remove the notice now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nikitasaxena (talk • contribs) 17:48, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Portrait of Catherine Talbot in Catherine Talbot Article.
From the appearance of other images of Catherine Talbot, her social status during her youth, and her reticence when it came to involvement in the public sphere, I have my doubts that the Christian Friedrich Zincke miniature attached to the 'Catherine Talbot' article actually represents her. There is no detail given on the image apart from artist, so I am unable to trace who exactly is being represented, but I doubt that it is in fact Talbot, if it is would it be possible for Mr Arkesteijn to provide some more information on the picture, and if not then may I ask that it be taken down, as it is misleading and presents a false image of Talbot's status, by implying that in her youth she was circulating in the kind of fashionable circles that would have been a prerequisite to sitting for such a portrait. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.192.106.137 (talk) 11:48, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Any concerns about the article should be discussed on the article's talk page, Talk:Catherine Talbot. GB fan 12:07, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

RfC: Should Persondata template be removed from articles?
Discussion can be found at here. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:25, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi‎ "caliph" of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIS)
Could use some eyes - not a big problem right now but sensitive. Dougweller (talk) 15:41, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Eyes needed at Laura Mersini-Houghton
There's what seems to be some sort of POV editing going on at Laura Mersini-Houghton by a fluctuating IP editor. By their own admission they are not a native English speaker, and as far as I can tell they don't really understand the original research policy, despite my attempts to explain it. I don't want it to turn into a back-and-forth edit war here, so I think the best thing to do is to get a few extra eyes on the article to establish a proper consensus. The discussion is here. Thanks. 0x0077BE [talk/contrib] 07:31, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Surname of surfer José Otávio
A look through existing sources didn't indicate a family name. Maybe WP:FULLNAME doesn't matter for beach sports, but just in case anyone else wants to give it a try noting here. Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:14, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Naomi Watts cite needed issues
Hi. I welcome editors to look at this. Thanks.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 18:13, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Request for deletion of page Rehmat Khan Bhatti
Dear all, this page does not seem to me at all to meet Wiki notability and/or general quality standards; rather, its been put up by someone to simply aggrandize a family member and/or tribal elder etc. I would very strongly recommend that the page be deleted/removed, please. Thank you --Khani100 —Preceding undated comment added 08:38, November 22, 2011‎ (UTC).

Typo in the article on Ruy Diaz Melgarejo
"In 1855, Melgarejo returned to Asunción ..." - This date seem highly unlikely. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.218.199.93 (talk) 16:02, January 1, 2012‎ (UTC)

Dan Leno
Dan Leno, the well-known Victorian actor, comedian and star of British music hall and musical comedy of the 1890s, has recently been expanded and is headed for WP:FA consideration. As a result, I am seeking comments in this Peer Review and I would be most greatful for any comments received. Thanks! -- Cassianto (talk) 01:00, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Tina May biographical stub - Help?
Hello, I am Tina May's son and was trying to modify her wikipedia page as subsequent edits have reduced it to a stub. There is pertinent professional information missing (awards, recordings) which leave the notability of the page at an innaccurate level of specificity. Literally the last ten years are missing. I hoped to solicit any assistence in editing the page as I am not myself experienced in the wiki-format. My meagre attempts would be rather akin to a bull-in-a-china-shop. Any such help or pointers would be welcome. (Tina May) — Preceding unsigned comment added by TinaMay1961 (talk • contribs) 17:30, July 4, 2012‎ (UTC)

GA reassessment for Murray Rothbard article
Murray Rothbard, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by RL0919 (talk • contribs) 20:32, 12 August 2013

Jack Soifer deserves to remain in Wikipedia
Jack Soifer, I'm sure that is a very good professional. He has goods books published and I've read all them. Besides, her activities as a International Consultant during long years in several countries. I'm a former Economist Chief from BNDES (1965-1981) and I was President of Federal Economic Order(1985) and President of Regional Economic Order(1986-87) in Rio de Janeiro. In "Universidade Federal Fluminense"(UFF) I was Full Professor many years and Director of Plannig in Secretary of Transport Rio de Janeiro-DETRO (1987). I think that Mr. Jack Soifer deserves to remain, because I know his professional activities and his excellent capacity to make works in areas such tourism, small and middle business and others relevant,that can see on his published books, for instance, and his Conferences, Seminars, etc. in European countries.

Silvando Cardoso Economist / Professor Rio de Janeiro (BR)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.205.20.166 (talk • contribs) 23:26, 1 September 2013

Mithun Roy Chowdhury
Mithun Roy Chowdhury is a very popular young leader of Bangladesh. He is the President of Save Nature & Wildlife(SNW). He has recently been expanded and is headed to protect the world's biggest Mangrove Jungle Sundarban from the proposed Coal-fired Power Plant. and I would be most greatful for any comments received. Thanks!

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Zillur Eahman (talk • contribs) 23:08, 18 September 2013

Request for Removal of Warning on article Oorvazi Irani
Hi,

The article Oorvazi Irani https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oorvazi_Irani does have links to other pages from it and also is linked to another wikipedia page.

Also the citations provided in the article are valid sources which establish the notability of the person beyond doubt

Hence would request to remove the following warnings from the article

!) This article is an orphan, as no other articles link to it. Please introduce links to this page from related articles; suggestions may be available. (November 2013) 2) The topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's general notability guideline. Please help to establish notability by adding reliable, secondary sources about the topic. If notability cannot be established, the article is likely to be merged, redirected, or deleted. Find sources: "Oorvazi Irani" – news · books · scholar · JSTOR · free images (November 2013)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Riddhimanbasu (talk • contribs) 10:30, 6 December 2013‎

MG Irving also commanded 38th Infantry Division
MG Irving was the last combatant commander nof the 38th Infantry Division during WWII in the Philippines, and was commanding the 38th Infantry Division when the Japanese in the area surrendered. This can be verified by the Center of Military History, the 38th Infantry Division's 1947 "yearbook" of their deployment to the Philippines, the After Action Review of the M-7 Operation.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.79.10.15 (talk • contribs) 15:50, 13 December 2013‎

Michael Calvin McGee
Hello all, I am writing to ask for your opinions on the changes that i am making to the page of rhetorical theorist Michael Calvin McGee. I am new to Wikipedia and would love feedback on the page because i am doing it for an assignment. I figured I would give you all a chance to see the page first before i made my changes so I wont be making it live until Monday. Thanks all!

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Singh116 (talk • contribs) 06:32, 2 March 2014‎

Immanuel Sekaran Guru Pooja
I believe that everyone in the democratic India have the right to practice their beliefs without disturbing others and in the public. Immanuel Sekaran Guru Pooja in Sivagangai District is one such event. Event he government respects the feelings of the local and declares a local holiday. Why then are Principals of schools like Velammal in Thiruppuvanam are talking against them and creating hurt feelings and misconceptions in the minds of the younger generation? Do not the students have the right to take their own decisions?

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 42.104.62.23 (talk • contribs) 05:02, 9 April 2014‎

James S. A. Corey
James S. A. Corey is a pair of co-authors Daniel Abraham (author) and Ty Franck. The lead sentence, footer (template Personata?), talk page (living person?), and James S. A. Corey at Wikidata (human, male?) may need attention by someone who knows all the relevant policies.

--P64 (talk) 17:46, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Birth date citations
I am working on a personal research project where I have extracted 750,000 dates of birth from Wikipedia. Whilst validating the data, I have thrown up hundreds of errors where Wikipedia has conflicting information. I am currently in the process of fixing these problems, but in doing so I have hit upon another problem!

I may be biased because I am working on problem articles, but my impression is that dates of births rarely have a citation. I have found many articles with one date in the text, another in the infobox eg Ayoub Skouma, William Patrick Fyfe. These never have a reference I can check, but whoever added the date must have seen it somewhere. I have seen others where someone has changed a day, month or year without explanation. I would have no idea if that was vandalism or someone correcting the article. A date of birth is the one item that every biography starts with, it should have a reliable source.

I am just letting off steam really, but I would like to hear some opinions. Should we start tagging dates of birth with or deleting dates of birth without citation (some celebrities find their age contentious). Maybe a date of birth correctly sourced option in the project box? Periglio (talk) 08:10, 5 August 2014 (UTC)


 * For BLPs I just delete dates of birth if they aren't sourced well. Dougweller (talk) 12:54, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Removing hundreds of thousands of birth dates could be controversial :) I have been checking a few random celebrities, none had a specific date of birth reference. Periglio (talk) 13:52, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Sara Jeannette Duncan
I've substantially improved the bio at Sara Jeannette Duncan but I'm going to struggle on the literary side of things. I'm posting this here and at the feminism project (the literature project doesn't have scope, the books project is too specific) in the hope that someone might be able to make a better job of it than I'm likely to do - there are plenty of sources out there, lit. crit. and otherwise, including at GBooks and JSTOR. Duncan was a Canadian who wrote mostly about Anglo-Indian society and had both a strong feminist angle and a Tariff Reform League-based interpretation of imperialism. I've got some bare bones in but I'm going to end up with far too many quotes unless someone with more clue can help out with the "Works" section. It may need a "Themes" section also. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 13:34, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Rewritten Introduction
I found the quality of the writing lacking in the introduction and therefore took upon myself to make simple revisions to make the article more presentable. Breckham101 (talk) 03:27, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

New essay: Historical portraits
I've been drafting a new essay that I thought people in this project might be interested in: User:Future Perfect at Sunrise/Historical portraits. Comments welcome! Thanks, – Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:00, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Discussion at Template talk:WikiProject Biography#RfC: BDP in Biography template
You are invited to join the discussion at Template talk:WikiProject Biography. Thanks. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 20:34, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Content inclusion or exclusion
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Jose Antonio Vargas. Thanks. RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 01:32, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Featured article candidates/Michelle Obama/archive3
Please come comment at Featured article candidates/Michelle Obama/archive3.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:53, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

FAR
I have nominated John Mayer for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here.  Snuggums ( talk  /  edits ) 18:52, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Andreas Schleicher
We would like to be able to provide an update for the article entry for Andreas Schleicher to reflect his current status and CV: http://www.oecd.org/edu/andreas-schleicher.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by OECD edtoday (talk • contribs) 16:33, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Leo Gordon
''there is a lot of inaccurate info in this Gordon wiki biography. First of all, the army discharge statement is false and the original referenced source, or supporting article does not mention the discharge at all. Second he was shot by the police, according to third party articles and not a bar patron during the robbery attempt. Third, your filmography section is pathetic, Gordon has a very long list of films that he appeared in and many of them were well known films with John Wayne, etc.''

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.134.202.242 (talk • contribs) 13:23, 26 August 2014


 * This needs to be discussed at Talk:Leo Gordon. You can click the "new section" tab at the top right of the page and copy and paste your comments above to that page. Thank you.--JayJasper (talk) 16:48, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

image layout - Nancy Kominsky
Could someone please take a look at the image layout on Nancy Kominsky? Kozmick has added some large images, and set the infobox image to a painting rather than a photograph. We have a difference of opinion on how the images should best be sized and positioned. Nick Number (talk) 15:27, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Images reduced and placed in table. re: 'set the infobox image to a painting rather than a photograph.'

I call your attention to biography of painter Vincent van Gough wherein the image in the info box is a self-portrait.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Gogh

I respectfully suggest, that if it's good enough for VvG then it's good enough for Nancy Kominsky.

kozmick - Michael A Kominsky

(Kozmick (talk) 15:57, 28 August 2014 (UTC))


 * I'll concede the point on the infobox, but the two images above the gallery still don't fit with the other visual elements. Compare their size and placement with those of the images in that van Gogh article. Nick Number (talk) 14:33, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks To Wikipedia To Empower Women
Wikipedia Our Website...   I Am Very Glad To Comment That Supporting And Emporing Our Women Will Make A Big Difference In Our Nations. It Is Automatic Development In Human Life! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Martin Makokha (talk • contribs) 18:36, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

RFC on future jobs
Please see Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Biographies for an RFC based on the appointment of Catholic bishops but seeking to gain consensus for all biography articles. Elizium23 (talk) 01:04, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Banner header for new WP
Hello. I've created a new WP, Women writers. An editor mentioned on the project's talkpage that a bot could be used to place banner headers on the pages which fall under the project's scope (articles in ). AnomieBOT requires approval from affected projects before it starts tagging so I'm seeking that approval from WP:WPBIO. Thank you. --Rosiestep (talk) 16:36, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Mention of child sexual abuse cases at the Personal relationships of Michael Jackson article
Opinions are needed on the following matter: Talk:Personal relationships of Michael Jackson. A WP:Permalink is here. Flyer22 (talk) 17:05, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Nomination of Arjun Singh Sethi for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Arjun Singh Sethi is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Arjun Singh Sethi until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 21:13, 8 September 2014 (UTC)