Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography/Archive 49

Kate Millett
Hello,

I have been working on the re-write and expansion of the article about Kate Millett and have a question at Talk:Kate Millett. Your input would be greatly appreciated!-- CaroleHenson  ( talk ) 18:36, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Citizenship, infobox discussion
In case you are interested there is a discussion at: Template_talk:Infobox_person

Gregkaye ✍ ♪  14:55, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Susan Lindauer
Please join the discussion at Deletion review/Log/2014 September 18 as to whether a biography should be restored. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 12:52, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

RfC Notification regarding Chevalier d'Eon
There is currently an RfC on the proper use of pronouns in the article Chevalier d'Eon, which falls within the scope of this Wikiproject. The RfC can be found here. Your comments and discussion on the matter would be appreciated. 0x0077BE [talk/contrib] 14:48, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Neil deGrasse Tyson - Request for Comment: WP:WEIGHT/WP:UNDUE
Editors of this project are invited to participate in the following RfC. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 00:53, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Christian Serratos
There's a dispute going on at Christian Serratos that needs attention. &#9780; Jaewon &#91;Talk&#93; 00:44, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

British vs. English/Scottish as origin for a person
There is a new editor who is going through articles and changing the adjectives indicating their origin. Examples. I'm curious is there is any position with regards to this? --Hammersoft (talk) 20:19, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Comment on the WikiProject X proposal
Hello there! As you may already know, most WikiProjects here on Wikipedia struggle to stay active after they've been founded. I believe there is a lot of potential for WikiProjects to facilitate collaboration across subject areas, so I have submitted a grant proposal with the Wikimedia Foundation for the "WikiProject X" project. WikiProject X will study what makes WikiProjects succeed in retaining editors and then design a prototype WikiProject system that will recruit contributors to WikiProjects and help them run effectively. Please review the proposal here and leave feedback. If you have any questions, you can ask on the proposal page or leave a message on my talk page. Thank you for your time! (Also, sorry about the posting mistake earlier. If someone already moved my message to the talk page, feel free to remove this posting.) Harej (talk) 22:47, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

How to put in a picture of a biographic subject?
I have a picture of Thomas Garner, architect, that I would like to add to the biography on him. How can I do this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keoghse (talk • contribs) 19:19, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Mir Mandow Rind
Mir Mandow Rind is nominated for deletion. Discussion is possible here: Articles for deletion/Mir Mandow Rind. The Banner talk 17:42, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Describing lords in the lead of an article
In the article Basil Temple Blackwood, I started the lead paragraph with "Ian Basil Gawaine Temple Hamilton-Temple-Blackwood... styled Lord Basil Temple Blackwood..." However, another editor has amended this to "Lord Ian Basil Gawaine Temple Hamilton-Temple-Blackwood... styled Lord Basil Temple Blackwood...." Is there an approved method for this sort of thing? Alansplodge (talk) 12:40, 9 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Alansplodge, you might get more focused help if you ask the Royalty and Nobility workgroup under WP:Biography. There are guidelines at Naming conventions (royalty and nobility).  1bandsaw (talk) 20:01, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll give it a try. Thanks. Alansplodge (talk) 21:25, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
 * The other editor is correct. His title was acquired as he was the son of a marquess and is therefore an integral part of his name (although he didn't acquire it until he was 18, of course, as his father was only an earl until then). But in any case, we always add British titles inline. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:31, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. Alansplodge (talk) 11:32, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Village pump (proposals)
This will be of interest to this WikiProject. George8211 / T 12:13, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Characters from Irish myth and legend
I noticed on my watchlist this morning that the article on Cú Roí, a legendary king of Munster from the Ulster Cycle, had been given a C class rating by the biography project. I did a quick check and found that other legendary Irish characters, incluing Cú Chulainn, Conchobar mac Nessa, Cormac mac Airt, Túathal Techtmar, Labraid Loingsech and Fionn mac Cumhaill, are also included in this project. By comparison, legendary heroes and kings from other cultures, like Agamemnon, Sigurd, Lancelot and Beowulf (hero), are not, while Achilles, Hrothgar, King Arthur and Robin Hood are. Does the biography project have a rule for inclusion or non-inclusion of non-existent people? --Nicknack009 (talk) 09:24, 13 October 2014 (UTC)


 * I've noticed in the intro on the project page: "It includes biographies of only real humans". I shall start removing legendary characters from the project. --Nicknack009 (talk) 07:35, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

WP:VG comments subpages cleanup
Hi, there is currently a discussion taking place at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games regarding whether it would be acceptable to permanently shift all comments subpages associated with WP:VG articles into talk. This shift would follow the recommended approach given at WP:DCS. The WikiProject Biography articles that would be affected by this action are these: If you have objections related specifically to WikiProject Biography's use of these subpages, please make this clear at the discussion so that other unrelated talk pages can be cleaned up where appropriate. Thank you. -Thibbs (talk) 15:52, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Matt Casamassina
 * Antony Crowther
 * Harry Gregson-Williams
 * Matt Harding
 * Rod Humble
 * Jonny Jakobsen
 * Jesper Kyd
 * Kurtis Mantronik
 * Motoi Sakuraba
 * Peter Samson
 * Tara Strong

Joining
I'd like to join this WikiProject. Suggestions for improvement are needed. --108.211.72.67 (talk) 19:05, 16 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Welcome! One of the big areas we could use help is in expanding stubs.  There are lots of articles about people here on WP which are very brief, some only a few sentences.  You can easily contribute by finding some stubs that interest you, gathering sources (books from the library, news articles online, etc.) about that person, and then expanding the article to something that really gives the reader a sense of that person and their impact.  You can find the lists of stubs at Category:Stub-Class biography articles.  If you're interested in a particular type of biography, there are sublists there (like Category:Stub-Class biography (actors and filmmakers) articles) to help you find what you're looking for.  1bandsaw (talk) 19:41, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

TFAR notification for John Barbirolli
I've nominated a WP:FA quality page related to this WikiProject for "Today's Featured Article" consideration, nomination is at Today's featured article/requests/John Barbirolli. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 00:19, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Renée Zellweger
Members of ProjectBio may want to keep an eye on Renée Zellweger. The "Appearance" section has been growing remarkably WP:UNDUE, quoting gossip-magazine style speculation by people who are not her doctors as well as opinions by celebrities having nothing to do with Zellwegger. Some of the cites, such as the Daily Mirror, also seem tabloidy. I've removed some egregious material, but the gossip-mag crowd will be back. --Tenebrae (talk) 20:17, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Orphaned articles
I have started WikiProject Biography/Orphaned articles (shortcut: WP:BIOG/O) as a holding area for orphaned biographical articles. Editors of biographical articles may wish to add it to their watchlists. —Wavelength (talk) 23:04, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Peer review/Emily Ratajkowski/archive1
I need comments at Peer review/Emily Ratajkowski/archive1 to guide editorial improvements.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:42, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Nigel Cayzer
Hi – I have prepared a userspace draft for Nigel Cayzer, a British businessman and chairman of two London-listed funds. I have a conflict of interest in that I work for Bell Pottinger and Nigel Cayzer is my client. I have made this clear on my user page, on the draft article's talk page, and on COIN. There are a number of offline news articles referenced in the draft, which I have stored in their entirety on the talk page. If anyone has time to review this draft and leave comments either here, on the talk page or on my talk page, that would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks. HOgilvy (talk) 11:22, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

TFAR notification
I've nominated an article relevant to this project for WP:TFAR consideration, discussion at Today's featured article/requests/George B. McClellan. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 20:14, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Murder victim notability?
I stumbled upon the article Carolyn Wasilewski through Special:Random today, it doesn't look very notable to me, but I'm a bit wary about jumping straight to AfD. I'm going to start with a proposed deletion, but I thought it is worth throwing out there to get a few eyes on it. At the very least, it should presumably be moved to Murder of Carolyn Wasilewski, since she's not notable other than being the victim of an unsolved murder, so WP:BIO1E applies, but I'm not seeing much justification for this article. 0x0077BE [talk/contrib] 22:54, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Tseziz and Wenden is the same place! Wenden is Cēsis in our days, it used to be called Wenden. And and even nowdays, many people from abroad, especially Germans call Cesis - Wenden. The same as city of Valmiera is called Wolmar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.68.120.187 (talk) 08:27, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

list of works for an academic - criteria
This has been asked before but I didn't find an answer. For a BLP article on an academic who may have many publications, what are the common practices to determine which publications to list? Certainly we don't list every one! Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 11:51, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
 * sorry for this - i posted too early and have found it - it is very sprawling: Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Lists_of_works/Archive_2 and especially Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Lists_of_works/Archive_2 here. my apologies. Jytdog (talk) 12:12, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

removing "stub" designation
I believe the stub designation can now be removed from the John Fullbright article. How does that happen and/or who can remove it? I'm unsure how that works. Thank you. Kmzundel (talk) 14:35, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Agreed it's not a stub, though I don't know what it should be re-assessed as. Probably you should just request reassessment at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography/Assessment. 0x0077BE  [talk/contrib] 14:50, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Have done as you suggested!  Kmzundel (talk) 17:02, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Featured article candidates/Trey Burke/archive1
Featured article candidates/Trey Burke/archive1 has been open for 2 and a half weeks without any substantive commentary.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:11, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

Jason Smith (sports radio personality)
Guidelines for biography articles aren't my strong point. Could someone have a look at Jason_Smith_(sports_radio_personality) please. Advanced warning, the resident IP editor appears to have ownership issues. - X201 (talk) 09:20, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Help with Tucker Eskew biography
Hello, I've just suggested some new sections for Tucker Eskew's article on the article's Talk page. The page appears to be very quiet, so I wanted to leave a note here to see if any editors have time to review my suggestions. I prepared my drafts on behalf of Eskew's agency, Vianovo, so due to this conflict of interest I won't make the changes myself. Thanks in advance, 16912 Rhiannon (Talk &middot; COI) 21:01, 17 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Just pinging this note to say that I'm still looking for editors to review suggestions for this article. Let me know if you can help. Thanks! 16912 Rhiannon (Talk &middot; COI) 14:53, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

Uncertain date and place of birth
Need advice from the experts! I have a source which states:"was born on either the 31st of Dec 1860 or the 30th of Dec 1870 in either Alsace or Breslau."Assuming I cannot find anything reliable which contradicts this, have I filled out the infobox correctly? And what do I put in the persondata?

Thanks! Basie (talk) 19:20, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

RfC on Template:Infobox person
This message is to notify you that there is an RfC ongoing on whether to add pronunciation info to, a discussion which is likely relevant to this Wikiproject. Your comments on the matter are appreciated. The discussion can be found here. Thanks! 0x0077BE ( talk ·  contrib ) 17:29, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

Surnames
(I'm very inexperienced with Wikipedia work and so I could be putting this in the wrong place.) I was trying to find a Woodfall of interest to me, but when tried with just Woodfall I was redirected to Woodfall Film Productions. Resorting to Google, I discovered there were at least two Woodfall pages; William Woodfall was the one I was looking for. Shouldn't there be a page for Woodfall (name) for Woodfall to be redirected to? (I have no idea how this would be done.)  Incidentally, while I find pages like Sadler (surname) very useful, there doesn't seem to be any standard as I have occasionally run across xx (name) and xx (surname and title). Neville Holmes (talk) 04:05, 10 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Neville, there are a variety of ways to deal with these sorts of things. In the specific case of Woodfall, the movie production company does seem like it would be the one more folks would be looking for, so it is not unreasonable to have it be the primary.  However, you could consider adding a WP:Hatnote to the top of that page to help folks like you who are looking for the person.  In general, the surname pages come about when there are several pages for different folks with the same name, and in some cases, several other unrelated uses of the name (see Floyd).  There is no hard and fast standard for when such WP:Disambiguation pages get created, they just get made when an editor such as yourself sees the need.  1bandsaw (talk) 21:17, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

"Batista"
The usage and primary topic of "Batista" is under discussion at talk:Dave Batista -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 07:40, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Geoffrey (archbishop of York) nomination for Today's Featured Article
I've nominated the article Geoffrey (archbishop of York) to be considered for Today's Featured Article, nomination discussion is at Today's featured article/requests/Geoffrey (archbishop of York). &mdash; Cirt (talk) 01:43, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Goregrind?
Cyjan, drummer for Polish goregrind band Dead Infection, commented, "Musically, there's no real difference between grindcore and goregrind, but lyrically, whereas the first is socially and politically concerned, goregrind, as the name implies, deals with everything related to blood, pathological aspects or accidents with fatal results." ,if you label Exhumed Goregrind yes because they play Death Metal with Grindcore elements (Deathgrind) but what about Cannibal Corpse? there's no Grinding madness in their sound. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GREYBOYY (talk • contribs) 13:51, 28 November 2014 (UTC)


 * This is a page for discussion of biography articles. Do you have a question or a comment about one or more biography articles, and if so, what is it? -- Hoary (talk) 14:01, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Roger Williamses
I've started a thread at Talk:Roger Williams (theologian) about whether or not he is the primary Roger Williams. Would appreciate input, thanks. –Roscelese (talk &sdot; contribs) 19:58, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Prof Tipping and H D (painter)
Molyvos1 (talk) 04:05, 30 November 2014 (UTC)Molyvos 1 There is an exhibition at Heidi Gallery (Dec 2014) which suggests that Prof Tipper and HD were two different people. So there is still some work to be done here. (I think that it's plausible that Tipper was HD - but that has not been demonstrated. The Heidi exibition did located actual people called H Dearing.

Nikolai Petrovich Ostroumov
Bishkekvunderbar (talk) 06:20, 30 November 2014 (UTC)I have very little experience with Wikipedia, but I just completed writing an MA History thesis on Ostroumov's work. It contains extensive, well-sourced information on his biography and work. What is the procedure for adding this?


 * Are you talking about the person who is (briefly) described at Nikolai Ostroumov? If so, feel free to add data from your sources, including all proper citations.  However, Wikipedia is not a place for original research, so please keep your contributions to that which is supported by published sources.  If you are talking about someone else, I suggest you take a look at Your first article, which will guide you through the steps to creating the article.  Welcome to Wikipedia!  1bandsaw (talk) 23:53, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Barbara Loden
She was born n Marion NC but grew up in Asheville NC, graduated from Lee H. Edwards High School in 1950 and left for New York in June 1950. Not 1947. She was in Compulsion but not until she was in NYC. I was her best friend for most of her life and remember these facts. Thank You, Peggy A. Pettit, Ph.D., MBA, South Riding VA 15:03, 3 December 2014 (UTC)71.163.111.196 (talk) personal experience, yearbooks of LEH for 1947-1950

A problem of multiple dates
Hi, I am working on a biography and I have encountered this general problem. I often encounter two or more sources that do not agree about the date of a certain event. My question is, while writing the biography, how should I resolve this conflict? Should I mention a date from only one source, or mention all the sources. Sometimes an event can be quite obscure, and all the sources give very different dates. Manoguru (talk) 19:42, 4 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Manoguru, depending on the time period, it could be different calendaring systems in use, so you might look at that. If the dates are reasonably close, you could put in a fuzzy average (e.g. "around 3 Sep 1654") or a more general timeframe that includes the different dates (e.g. "in early October 1353").  Depending on how many sources you have and if any agree, you could go with the majority.  In any case, it would seem best to me to include a footnote to indicate the different dates you have with their sources. 1bandsaw (talk) 20:08, 4 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks of your advice, 1bandsaw. Those are very helpful indeed. Although the time period is just two hundred years ago, the calendaring system is Indian, which is based on both sun and moon. I think people are prone to make mistakes when those Indian dates are converted into Gregorian dates. Manoguru (talk) 05:09, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Help with AfD
A BLP for an entrepreneur is currently listed and being relisted in AfD. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Lore). Initially the page lacked sufficient referencing; however, updates have been made and it appears satisfactory. It has been relisted twice in AfD and I'm looking for participation by others in that debate to ensure that the page is kept. I appreciate your help. 66.108.234.192 (talk) 05:27, 5 December 2014 (UTC)


 * While this request was presumably made in good faith, please take note of Wikipedia's policy on canvassing. Thanks.--JayJasper (talk) 21:26, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

FAR listing
I have nominated Selena for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here.  Snuggums ( talk  /  edits ) 04:48, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Biographical templates usable as a module
I have just created Category:Biographical templates usable as a module, for templates which can be used as a module in Infobox person or other biographical infoboxes. Please help to populate it. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 00:05, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Help with Brett Smith article
I'm doing an English assignment where we edit a page on Wikipedia. I am having trouble with the Brett Smith page. I can't find his discussion page. I have looked on his page and never found it. However, I have found that the it is up for deletion.

This is what I am hoping to add: NFL Draft Scout score Projected draft pic Weakness/strengths

College Passes completed Interceptions Fumbles Tackles awards and nominations

High School Records Passing yards Rushing yards Interceptions Passes completed Fumbles Tackles Awards

Kolby Collins (talk) 21:29, 9 December 2014 (UTC)Kolby


 * I believe you are looking for Bret Smith, with the talk page Talk:Bret Smith. Kevlar (talk) 22:26, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Copyright concerns related to your project
This notice is to advise interested editors that a Contributor copyright investigation has been opened which may impact this project. Such investigations are launched when contributors have been found to have placed non-free copyrighted content on Wikipedia on multiple occasions. It may result in the deletion of images or text and possibly articles in accordance with Copyright violations. The specific investigation which may impact this project is located at Contributor copyright investigations/Mirno.

All contributors with no history of copyright problems are welcome to contribute to CCI clean up. There are instructions for participating on that page. Additional information may be requested from the user who placed this notice, at the process board talkpage, or from an active CCI clerk. Thank you. Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:45, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Mark Baker Updates from Gwrych Trust
Hi there - I have made some suggested edits in the Talk for Mark_Baker_(author), as he is the Chair of Board of Trustees for Gwrych Trust and has released some new material (references are included), as well as a few minor edits that are obviously pranks in nature. If someone could take a look I would really appreciate it! Any issues drop me a line on my talk - there is also a summary of the updates there :) Best, Jake JakeB of GCPT (talk) 13:28, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

PROPOSAL: the standard disambiguator for mixed martial arts practioner
Summary: Make the default disambiguator used for ambiguous MMA fighter biography articles to be "mixed martial artist". -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 10:24, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Proposal
Per the suggestion at Talk:Ed Herman (mixed martial artist), I propose that the standard disambiguator used for ambiguous mixed martial artists biography articles become "mixed martial artist", per the naming of the list articles List of female mixed martial artists and List of male mixed martial artists, and the fact that "fighter", a disambiguator used for some MMA fighters articles is not clearly meaning anything. In the news, Kurdish fighters fight for the liberty of Kobani, clearly not MMA fighters. Boxers and kickboxers are called "fighters" in news media, also clearly not MMA.

I post this at WT:BIOG because one of the current disambiguators, "fighters" affects many sports, not just MMA, and even the military. This is also why it is posted as an RFC. -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 10:24, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Ping
Pinging participants from the related move request: ;   ;  ; -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 10:27, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Pinging related wikiprojects: WPSPORTS, WPMMA, WPMARTIALARTS, WPMILITARY -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 10:35, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

I also put a link to this discussion at Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation. Kevlar (talk) 20:15, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Survey

 * please enter your opinion on the proposal below this line, including support and opposition; and if you have an alternate suggestion instead of supporting or opposing the current suggestion, enter it below as well.


 * Support. Fighter is itself too general a term. MMA or mixed martial artist is very specific, by contrast. Kenpo Pro
 * Support I agree the term fighter is too ambiguous with the term mixed martial artist reflecting the use of boxer and kickboxer.Peter Rehse (talk) 10:31, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Support It's a disambiguator change that removes ambiguities. What's not to like? Bosstopher (talk) 11:36, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Support Fighter just doesn't work as a disambiguator. Lineagegeek (talk) 15:49, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Support I'm not strongly against using (fighter) but i do agree with the above stated logic for the use of (mixed martial artist). If by chance we want to clean up existing articles i've created a list of existing Disambiguated MMA Biography articles in My Sandbox. It's probably not complete but further illustrates the need for uniformity. Kevlar (talk) 18:10, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Support. Fighter is itself too ambiguous. A boxer is a fighter. An infantryman is a fighter. A person who attempts to overcome cancer is a fighter. bd2412  T 21:06, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Support I agree with the previous comments. "mixed martial artist" is much more specific.Mdtemp (talk) 17:18, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Support But I think instead of "mixed martial artist", the new designation should be shorter and more easy to enter quickly, like "MMA" or "MMA fighter", but it's up to you guys. LiberatorLX (talk) 23:07, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Good point it is pretty long. I like MMA fighter.Peter Rehse (talk) 23:18, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Amy Pascal
I would like to request more neutral editors to take a look at Amy Pascal's article, especially the section about her racial remarks. None are commenting on the talkpage, so I thought I would ask here. I have tried to remain neutral in my editing, but one very insistent editor has reverted my edits and another one has admitted to wanting to portray Pascal in a more positive light than she has been in the media. That seems to be original research and not encyclopedic to me. Simply put, would you support reverting that section to my edits? I would add that Sorkin's reaction sounds sycophantic to me; also, the other editor has removed Lisa Kudrow's reaction, apparently because it is negative towards Pascal...I think if we are going to have Sorkin's glowing remarks, we should have Kudrow's as well, just to keep it balanced. Finally, many, many newspapers have called Pascal's remarks "racist" and I had added that term under inverted commas with clear in-line references, but again that other editor has removed it. I had however reverted an edit renaming the section "racist remarks" back to "racial remarks," for the sake of neutrality. I encourage you to read the talkpage and look at the edit history. I have not reverted the section again as I don't want to edit-war, but I really would like more neutral editors to take a look, and see if my edits would sound more encyclopedic. Thank you.Zigzig20s (talk) 11:01, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Robert S. Nelsen
Could somebody take a look at "Robert S. Nelsen" and see it there are any outstanding issues other than being an orphan and possible overlinking that still need to be resolved. Most of the sources cited seem to be primary sources so it's a little hard for me to tell if Nelsen satisfies WP:NACADEMICS: I believe being president of a university is sufficient on it's own, but just not sure if more is needed. Also, not sure if a BLP primary sources is appropriate to add.

In addition, the primary editor on the article has been a SPA which is probably a non-issue, but again I'm not too sure. I am assuming good faith, but it might help if someone more experienced than myself in biographies, particularly those about academics, took a look since they most likely would be able to provide more specific advice than I have been able to do so far.

FWIW, I posted something similar at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography/Science and academia about four months ago, but have gotten no response. So, I thought I'd try posting here to see if anyone can help out. Anyway, any feedback at all would be most welcome. Thanks in advance - Marchjuly (talk) 00:44, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Howard Bloom
Could someone please take a look at this guy's page? He hardly seems noteworthy, and the article appears to have been written by him or his publicist. I can scarcely find any information about him that I can't trace back to him or his publicity firm. Wikipedia is supposed to be an encyclopedia, not a bulletin board in a Starbucks.Arlesd (talk) 07:05, 18 December 2014 (UTC)


 * He's a published, controversial figure, and his PR clients alone make him noteworthy. However, the article has already been deleted and rewritten once because it looked like his own PR, and over three years it seems to be edging back to its former state. Neutrality tag? Fiddlersmouth (talk) 11:04, 18 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Sounds good to me.Arlesd (talk) 15:59, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

James Royce Shannon
This article is nomination for DYK, but it needs to be large enough to be eligible as expanded by fivefold. I hope anyone interested can find sources and then expand it. --George Ho (talk) 22:25, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Tony Blinken
I am writing to ask your help in making some corrections and edits for clarity to the biography of Tony Blinken. I work at The Glover Park Group. A colleague has asked me to help make these changes, and you seemed like a natural place to ask for help. My full request is on the Blinken discussion page here. Thanks for your consideration. Bgluckman (talk) 22:17, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

J. Andre Smith Photo
Gentlemen:

The photo of Jules Andre Smith is incorrect. A visit to the military history blog ( http://blogs.archives.gov/unwritten-record/2014/06/13/world-war-i-art-and-artists/ ) shows that the incorrect photo was actually of Walter Jack Duncan – (1881-1941), and Jules Andre Smith. Smith's photo is farther down the page. Also, I think he would be better identified as Jules Andre Smith, instead of J. Andre Smith - a small correction, but more precise, I believe.

Many thanks and best hopes for the holidays,

Bill Lanigan / warehall — Preceding unsigned comment added by Warehall (talk • contribs) 12:40, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Emily Ratajkowski FAC
Please comment at Featured article candidates/Emily Ratajkowski/archive1.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:42, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

Info re: fair use image of person?
I am currently looking for info re: fair use of images for Wikipedia biographical articles. I am looking for an image to add to the Sybil Plumlee article, but I can't find a free image and I am wondering if one of the two images used in this Oregonian article are eligible for fair use. Any feedback or links to guidelines would be helpful. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:36, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Have you considered trying to contact the photographer from the Oregonian to get an image released under a free license? The photo from the article is credited as "Family photo", so if you are able to get in contact with her estate, it seems very likely that they would be willing to supply a photo under a free license. It also seems she was a police officer - it may be that there was an official photo of her taken at some point as a work of the US government, which would be in the public domain. 0x0077BE  ( talk ·  contrib ) 20:18, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
 * What about the first image seen here, which is a newsletter by the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:47, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Just an FYI because this issue recently came up for us when processing reports at WP:SCV. See this discussion with clueful copyright people, but basically the summary was that while US federal government publications are PD, state governments are often not (especially where there is a specific copyright notice to the contrary). That's in relation to text of course; I cannot say whether the same holds true for images. Cheers, Basie (talk) 03:04, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I'll wait to see if anyone else has thoughts on the image(s) mentioned above, otherwise the article might need to go unillustrated for a while. Another Believer  ( Talk ) 03:10, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

WikiCup 2015
Hi there; this is just a quick note to let you all know that the 2015 WikiCup will begin on January 1st. The WikiCup is an annual competition to encourage high-quality contributions to Wikipedia by adding a little friendly competition to editing. At the time of writing, more than fifty users have signed up to take part in the competition; interested parties, no matter their level of experience or their editing interests, are warmly invited to sign up. Questions are welcome on the WikiCup talk page. Thanks! Miyagawa (talk) 21:58, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Kevin Moyers
Kevin Moyers appears to have been raided by a vandal in November. I'm not a frequent reader of the biography pages and I thought someone who is should take a look at Moyers.-- Jim in Georgia  Contribs  Talk  01:37, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Well spotted. Thanks. Fiddlersmouth (talk) 01:57, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Very 'British' and not balanced article.
No mention of General Sir John Monash GCMG, KCB, VD of the Australian Corps who was Rawlinson's most able subordinate and military planner and significantly enhanced Rawlinson's reputation(credit where credit is due).

"On 8 August 1918 the successful Allied attack at the Battle of Amiens, which led to the expedited end to the war, was planned by Monash and spearheaded by British forces including the Australian and Canadian Corps under Monash and Arthur Currie. Monash is considered to be one of the best Allied generals of the First World War". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Monash

"Monash plannedBold text the attack on the German defences in the Battle of the Hindenburg Line between 16 September and 5 October 1918. The Allies eventually breached the Hindenburg Line by 5 October, and the war was essentially over." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Monash

Your quote: "By this stage of the war British manpower was severely depleted, and Rawlinson relied heavily on Australian, Canadian and American troops to achieve the breakthrough.[29]"  I find this a very poor reference and not accurate (a more pro-British/home front viewpoint). Commonwealth troops (Australians, Canadians and New Zealander's)were the best shock troops in both WW1 and WW2 for the British Empire. This sentence may be seen as offensive by some, by basically stating if there were British troops available they would have been used and Australian, Canadian and US troops were somewhat 'second rate' troops. This is incorrect, the Australians, New Zealanders and the Canadians were the best troops the Empire had and that is why they led the attacks and was not a 'British manpower issue'. I think you will find a sufficient references to this fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.56.232 (talk) 13:53, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
 * This belongs on the article talk page. I assume Sir Henry Rawlinson is meant, which is rated Start class (not very good). Please feel free to help. Fiddlersmouth (talk) 15:21, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

The Waterboys' Paul Brown
Hello! I see you may have an interest for The Waterboys' Paul Brown article. The artist requested help on the IRC channel recently to develop this article, and made a copy and paste copyvio draft on the talk page (which has already been taken care of and deleted). As a result of this, I talk to them a bit and got them to post a list of possible sources on the talk page instead. I've copied the WikiProject banners from the band's talk page, and this page will need to have each WikiProject assess their own importance and ratings on the topic. Thank you for your assistance. — &#123;&#123;U&#124;Technical 13&#125;&#125; (e • t • c) 20:00, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Problem with "original research". Was Pope Leo X gay?
Hi! I have a problem with "original research". Mr McCabe, an anticatholic polemist in the early XX century said that Pope Leo X was homosexual, citing a contemporary author who knew him, Francesco Guicciardini. It so happens that Guicciardini's book is available on the internet and he does not say what McCabe claims he said. Quite the opposite. I have provided links to the text, links to an english online translation of the text. The same problem happens with another false quotation by Jovius. But a user is desperate not to correct the article and keeps making excuses to revert my edits and accusing me of I doing "original research". He demand that I upload pictures of the original manuscript... Since the article falls on the scope of this project I ask you to visit the talk page and give your opinions. Thanks a lot. El Huinca (talk) 10:52, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Olivia Cooke
Can someone have a look at the tables on this BLP? Someone got creative and added colors to the them. I don't think it's supposed to be like that. (I wonder if "they" did this to any other BLP tables...) Thanks - the WOLF  child  13:47, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Occupation
Template:Infobox_person says the occupation parameter should reflect the information in the lead, so I guess my question is what should go in the lead. If someone was notable for one occupation, do we list other occupations in the lead? I would think not, as most biographies would be cluttered with "Joe Smith is a former waiter, former shoe salesperson and actor, best known for his Academy Award-winning role..." In the present case, an actor has apparently retired from acting to work at the family karate studio. With hometown news coverage, we do know know she is working at the studio, but that is not notable. Any reason this would go in the lead? - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 13:38, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

I would put always put all his occupations in the lead. Just edited the 4th Lord Granville's page, 2 screenfulls of his activities as one of the great and good with no mention that he was also a serious ironmaster. Or Carl Kellner whose entry went on forever about his life as a religeous nutter and failed to mention that he had a hand in 2 of the major developments of the 20th century (paper, chlorine). Your priorities might not be the same as others but they could be the right ones.Peterrivington (talk) 22:56, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Celine Dion FAR
I have nominated Celine Dion for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 10:24, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Marian Rejewski FAR
I have nominated Marian Rejewski for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 10:36, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Vivien Leigh FAR
I have nominated Vivien Leigh for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 13:34, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Nationality in infobox
Steve Nash is a dual citizen. You are invited to help form a consensus on how his nationality should be presented in the bio's infobox. Please comment at Talk:Steve_Nash. Thanks.—Bagumba (talk) 22:31, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Bill Cosby in advertising FAC
Hi! Just a heads up that I'd greatly appreciate input on this FAC nomination. -- Zanimum (talk) 22:03, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

WikiProject X is live!


Hello everyone!

You may have received a message from me earlier asking you to comment on my WikiProject X proposal. The good news is that WikiProject X is now live! In our first phase, we are focusing on research. At this time, we are looking for people to share their experiences with WikiProjects: good, bad, or neutral. We are also looking for WikiProjects that may be interested in trying out new tools and layouts that will make participating easier and projects easier to maintain. If you or your WikiProject are interested, check us out! Note that this is an opt-in program; no WikiProject will be required to change anything against its wishes. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thank you!

Note: To receive additional notifications about WikiProject X on this talk page, please add this page to WikiProject X/Newsletter. Otherwise, this will be the last notification sent about WikiProject X.

Harej (talk) 16:56, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Ron Wear deletion discussion

 * 1) Ron Wear
 * 2) Articles for deletion/Ron Wear

Please see ongoing deletion discussion for Ron Wear, at Articles for deletion/Ron Wear.

Thank you,

&mdash; Cirt (talk) 01:32, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Prager University
You are invited to participate in the ongoing discussion and RfC at WP:ELN, which addresses the allegedly addition of external links to Prager University, a website associated with radio host Dennis Prager, in biography articles. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 21:14, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Mike Evans (journalist)
Hi, as a wikikitten/magpie (attracted to shiny things that i shouldn't get involved with), i came across the above BLP.

i was about to list it as selfpromotional/need more references (a lot but they seem to be unreliable/poorly sourced) or even be bold and delete half of the artcle but decided to check its talk page.... WARNING: ACTIVE ARBITRATION REMEDIES ... !!! I am not sure what it all means but it looks scary.

So rather then risk sanctions or the other wrath of other editors i thought of posting here:) Could some other more learned wikiites please have a look at the article and make edits as/if required.   thanks  Coolabahapple (talk) 16:38, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Hector Xavier Monsegur
There is an ongoing move discussion, even if alerted in the project page. --George Ho (talk) 07:22, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

Carl Bildt
The biography of Swedish diplomat and politician Carl Bildt needs checked for its compliance with WP:BLP, WP:NPOV, and WP:Due weight, even more than usual BLPs.

is a 12:05, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Popular pages lists as guides to what articles to work on
Hi, everyone,

I have recently developed the habit of tracking which Wikipedia articles gain especially many page views, from the weekly list of top 5000 pages and from the  2014 annual list of most viewed pages. On both lists, we can see that often the living people whose biographical articles are most viewed on Wikipedia are stars of movies or TV shows. I've watchlisted some of those articles, and I'll see how editor discussion continues on each article talk page as edits continue on the articles. I'm developing a habit of looking for articles with high page views as especially interesting to expand and refine to go from C class or B class up to a quality level of being ready for good article nomination. I wonder if any of you have any suggestions for general approaches to successfully improving biographical articles with persistently high page views that haven't yet been improved to good article status. Your suggestions of useful sources and other tips for doing good editorial work on biographical articles would be greatly appreciated. I've just let WikiProject Minnesota know that I'm interested in updating Jesse Ventura, but there are several other biographical articles with even more page views than that article. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 14:12, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Ilene Busch-Vishniac
The article Ilene Busch-Vishniac has some edits that look a bit suspicious, especially as the user only edited that article. I AGF-- and reverted. Nevertheless, I think this article should be watched a bit -- to see if these changes re-appear. Nephron T|C 22:56, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Biography Page
Hi! I would be very grateful if someone could help me out to fix issues on this biography article Kiril_Tenekedjiev

Thank you in advance.

(Nissan300zx (talk) 12:50, 4 February 2015 (UTC))

Jean Terrasson
Hello,

I am needing your help. I was reading this article (Jean Terrasson) and because of my university study I need more info about. I please you so so much, let me know and write me: in which books or documents you found all the data (date of birth, about his life etc...). I am working on my graduate work with Jean Terrasson and i am searching for ANY sources I can find ANYTHING in.

Thank you, Wishing all the best Markéta Medková — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.168.31.69 (talk) 15:25, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Shah Rukh Khan peer review
Trying to get this to FA. Please comment at Peer review/Shah Rukh Khan/archive2. BollyJeff &#124;  talk  13:28, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

AfD Discussion
There is currently a discussion that may be of interest to members of this project. That discussion can be found at Articles for deletion/John Wilson (British Free Corps). -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:36, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Definition of "from"
What is the degree of a person's residency in a city so that ] should be placed on their WP entry?--Prisencolinensinainciusol (talk) 01:11, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
 * There has been discussion. Try Categorization of people and its talk (inclg archives). Also WikiProject Categories and its talk (inclg archives).


 * Many categories have no prefaces. Or none but administrative notices or cross-references. See,.
 * Descriptive prefaces are diverse. Some are restrictive, eg ,
 * "People who were born or raised in the town of Warwick, Warwickshire, England."
 * and some are expansive, eg ,
 * "This category lists people by the United States city they were born or raised in, have lived a significant portion of their lives, have contributed to, or are connected to in some significant way."
 * --P64 (talk) 21:54, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
 * One more thing: some categories have talk pages and some don't. --P64 (talk) 21:57, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Dates of birth
As part of my data verification project with Wikidata and the Persondata template, I am throwing up lots of anomalies. My current scans are finding lots of articles where the persons date of birth differs between the various language versions of Wikipedia. Some recent examples - Jennifer Rush, Kevin Magee (motorcycle racer), Aleksandr Belyakov and Hólger Quiñónez. The big problem is that the date of birth is rarely cited. I do not know what to fix. My experience shows that the date of birth is often added and changed without any explanation (although I only see the ones where there is a problem).

Apart from requesting a source on the talk page, I do not know what else I can do. Should we be harsh and remove conflicting entries until we have a reliable source? Should we replace the date with a less accurate but consistent version. ie (14 July 1962 & 15 July 1962 becomes July 1962; 10 October 1962 & 10 November 1962 becomes 1962; 1 May 1961 & 1 May 1962 becomes 1960s). Should we create a warning template? Should we have a rule for BLP "No date of birth unless cited"? I am at an early stage with my project but it looks like I will have thousands of BLPs with dates of birth in doubt. Periglio (talk) 07:12, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
 * WP:BLP and within that WP:DOB. -- Red rose64 (talk) 13:09, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
 * We should have a bot report on changed birth/death dates. I believe User:WereSpielChequers has done some similar work to yours on interwiki checking.  I did a report a few years back on people who had died before they were born... (or lived over 120 years).  All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 20:01, 12 February 2015 (UTC).


 * The policies do not actually solve the problem as the majority of articles would qualify for a full date. My findings are not controversial, they are just indicating a factual inaccuracy. I don't see myself deleting thousands of unreferenced birth dates without being attacked by the Wiki-community. I would suggest that in the first instance some form of encouragement to start collecting birth date references.
 * My validation starts with Wikidata, checking for things like a date having unusual life spans. I am now looking at Wikipedia, making sure date categories and templates are all in agreement. At the moment, I am doing small runs so I can personally check each one. The problem is that dates of births seem to be the one fact that everyone assumes is correct but my experience is that they get changed randomly without any explanation. Periglio (talk) 05:36, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Infobox discussion
A discussion is taking place Talk:Frédéric_Chopin on installing an infobox for the article about a classical music composer. Montanabw (talk) 20:42, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Sourcing question
When writing a bio article about an author or academician, are the books and articles written by the individual consider primary source documents or are they secondary sources based on the fact they are published works. How about the “About the Author” section that discusses the author’s background. Those sections usually have a lot of good info…e.g. where the individual is from, academic credentials, previous works the help establish bona fides, etc.--Orygun (talk) 20:48, 20 February 2015 (UTC)


 * I know of an example of a published author who faked many biography statements in his "about the author" sections of his writings, so we cannot assume that every such statement is reliable. On the other hand, for the typical academic author (the person I am referring is not a mainstream academic), I would ordinarily allow into Wikipedia article text any statement of the nature of "Author was born in ___ on ___" or "Author was educated at ___ and gained a degree in ____ in [year]" as worth of inclusion until proven wrong. Most authors don't cheat about stuff like that when they contribute a chapter to a collection of articles, for example. Statements by the author about the author are primary source documents in the usual case, not secondary sources about the author, and even in the case of those statements being published in another work, we can assume that usually they are passed on by the author without rigorous fact-checking by the volume editor or publisher. But that's a problem only rarely. Such statements can be rebutted by contrary statements from sources independent of the author, but can usually be trusted in the same way, and for the same purposes in editing Wikipedia article text, as statements from an author-controlled blog or other website. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 21:25, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for quick answer! Now, I have a follow-up question. When compiling a list of an author’s published works, is an on-line version of a published work a valid secondary source to document the published work when it is cited in Wikipedia text or would it be considered an inappropriate primary source.  For example, here is an on-line version of a book.  Would it be an appropriate source to document Wikipedia text that said:  “In 1996, Alan Gropman published a book on World War II logistics” in an article about Mr Gropman?  Similar on-line articles can be found in JSTOR and elsewhere.  It seems like these should be good sources.--Orygun (talk) 00:58, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Bot generation of photo requests
I've got some code for detecting articles without photos (of any sort, whether embedded in the article body, or via infoboxes or other templates, but ignoring icons, SVG, maps, flags, heraldic images, and other line graphics images), using code developed as part of my geocoding activities. I could easily use this in a bot that would generate a   photo request parameter in the existing WikiProject Biography header on talk pages where no photo is currently present in the article.

I have in mind adding these tags to within the project header on talk pages of articles where:
 * no photo exists in the article
 * a WikiProject Biography header is already present on the talk page
 * that does not already have a  parameter with a value assigned in it (for example, it may be wanted for editorial reasons not to have a photo in an article)
 * the person can be deduced to be a living person who is 18 or over, OR is dead

I could also filter by other time ranges and categories: for example, by whether the person lived in the pre-1923 copyright era, or whether they died within the last 20 years, etc. etc. -- suggestions welcomed on this front. It's not entirely unreasonable to generate these tags for pre-photography era articles: many famous people living prior to photography may still be represented in a (in many cases out-of-copyright) woodcut, engraving, sculpture, drawing or painting somewhere which can be photographed and added Commons.

With any luck, this would generate tens of thousands of new photo request tags to the project templates, thus creating lots of opportunities for volunteers to hunt down public domain or free photos to add to the articles. Would anybody be interested in this bot being created? -- The Anome (talk) 22:44, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Two requests to update Tom Graves
Hello, I was last here when proposing some changes to the Touré (journalist) article, now complete. This time I'm consulting for U.S. Rep. Tom Graves article, whose article has a number of problems: in some cases the wording does not conform to the cited source, others are missing WP:RS citations entirely. Following Jimbo's "bright line" advice, I'm avoiding direct edits to the article. Instead I have proposed two initial fixes on the Talk page here. However, I've previously sought assistance at all other wikiprojects this article falls under, and I haven't received so much as a reply. If anyone is able to review and make the changes as they feel are appropriate, I'd be very grateful. Cheers, WWB Too (Talk &middot; COI) 18:00, 23 February 2015 (UTC)


 * This is ✅. WWB Too (Talk &middot; COI) 16:09, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

St. Maximilian Kolbe
Just as a note: Maximilian Kolbe did die in Auschwitz, but he died in place of a fellow prisoner. (Not by poisoning as the list says.) The Nazis chose 10 prisoners to be starved to death. One man cried out that he had a wife and children. St. Maximilian Kolbe volunteered to die in his place. From the starvation barracks, you could hear screams from all the prisoners save one--him.

He is considered a saint in my Church. (Roman Catholic.) Thank you for including him on your list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:3B78:5520:3598:5E91:32D6:E11E (talk) 19:02, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

It is my understanding that Capt. William Stone was married to one of the descendants of George Calvert, First Lord Baltimore. Could she have been a second wife? Thanks! Norman O. Besheer, 11330 Jarboe St., KCMO 641114. nobesheer@yahoo.com. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CCA5:C4A0:81D8:4C17:C1E9:C6E1 (talk) 17:25, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia Primary School invitation
Hi everybody. On behalf of the teams behind the Wikipedia Primary School research project, I would like to announce that the articles Nelson Mandela and Oliver Tambo  (of interest to this wikiproject) were selected a while ago to be reviewed by external experts. We'd now like to ask interested editors to join our efforts and improve the articles before March 15, 2015 (any timezone) as they see fit; a revision will be then sent to the designated experts for review (for details, please see each articles' talk page). Any notes and remarks written by the external experts will be made available on the articles' talk pages under a CC-BY-SA license as soon as possible, so that you can read them, discuss them and then decide if and how to use them. Please sign up here to let us know you're collaborating. Thanks a lot for your support! Elitre (WPS) (talk) 16:42, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Proposal to move Methodism to Child Project
Per WikiProject Council/Proposals/Methodism Jerodlycett (talk) 09:45, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Error in biography of Archibald Campbell, 1st Baron Blythswood
The article Archibald_Campbell,_1st_Baron_Blythswood mentions the title passed to his younger brothers, Sholto, Barrington and Archibald. Archibald was in fact the son of the brother Barrington. Apologies - not much of a Wiki editor, just passing along info to help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spotvega (talk • contribs) 15:19, 4 March 2015
 * Have you mentioned this at the article's talk page, which is Talk:Archibald Campbell, 1st Baron Blythswood? -- Red rose64 (talk) 17:45, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Jean Renoir
Hello to the members of the project. This article for JR now has two pictures that are paintings, by his father, of him as a child. Neither is very representative of him as a man. I have little understanding of the ins and outs of adding pictures to WikiP so if any of you can find a better pic to add to the article I think that would be beneficial to our readers. Thanks for your time. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 18:39, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Trevor Menear
I opened a thread at WT:MUSICIAN a little over a week ago to discuss whether this particular musician satisfies WP:MUSICBIO. Since the article is listed as being uner the scope of WikiProject Biography, I probably should've added a link here as well. Anyway, the only reply I've received at WikiTalk Musician said I should AfD the article, but before I do that I'm interested in knowing if anyone here has any suggestions or ideas. Thanks in advance, - Marchjuly (talk) 22:19, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Talk for redirects from people
There was no reply to this inquiry when I posted it last June (without any useful markup).
 * Should all redirects from individual people have talk pages? Or all that represent ? or generally no talk pages for ?

The preface of, among others, notes that monitoring R from people "is necessary for compliance with the policy on biographies of living persons."

But WP:ALIVE does not say whether placement of a redirect in cat Living people and in some R from people category is adequate, and thus a living people talk page unnecessary. --P64 (talk) 23:58, 8 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Some redirects have talk pages, often because they started out as separate pages prior to being merged into another page (for any of a range of reasons). Those talk pages are worth keeping as they document what happened to the original page, including the rationale for the merge (see Talk:Carrie Henn as an example).  That said, I don't know that all redirects need their own talk page.  There are regular pages here that don't yet have talk pages.  So I guess what I'm saying is I don't think that all need them, and I really don't think that they should be removed from those that have them either.  Talk pages tend to just be more organic.  1bandsaw (talk) 22:57, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Garth Butler
I worked with Garth Butler after he retired from playing professional football.He was my charge hand working at Drakelow A & b power Stations working in The Electrical Maintanence Department.I was at Drakelow from 1959 to 1967 working with Garth.We often talked about his football career with Port vale Football club at the time I supported Wrexham football club.Regards Hugh Evans E mail hughevans271@btinternet.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.1.144.134 (talk) 13:35, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Invalid parameters in birth/death templates
Shmuel_Yosef_Agnon is an example where the month and day have been transposed within the infobox birth template. Although the transposition error may still give a valid date, 60% of the time it will be invalid. Unfortunately if this happens, the birth template still displays a "random" date. ie in the example, 1888-17-07 displays as May 7, 1888.

The reason I am here is that someone has already looked at this and produced a working solution. Template_talk:Birth_date_and_age but is still waiting for someone to notice! Just mentioning it here to get a bit more publicity. Periglio (talk) 22:57, 12 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Thank you for letting us know. It's always a good idea to drive down the possibility of random mistakes. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 00:17, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Camille Barbone
I recently flagged this page for AFD. It is in the scope of two projects (this one and one other), but Biography seems like the most active of the two. This could also be a candidate for merger into Madonna (entertainer). James Cage (talk) 18:57, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
 * It has actually been flagged as a prod (proposed deletion) which does not require any external input unless someone wants to contest the deletion. In a few days time, an Admin will make a decision. Periglio (talk) 22:15, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

New InfoBox proposal for Roger Penrose
Please check talk page and comment on InfoBox. Fakedeeps (talk) 23:32, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Nomination of Trevor Menear for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Trevor Menear is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Trevor Menear until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. - Marchjuly (talk) 08:13, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Question about a video game industry murder/suicide
Rather than split this into two threads, I am asking for advice at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games. BOZ (talk) 19:03, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Need more eyes on Arudou Debito—SPA and IP trolling issues
Could we get some more eyes on Arudou Debito and Talk:Arudou Debito? There is an unusual high amount of activity from single-purpose accounts and single-purpose IPs there. One of them has taken the dispute so far as to invade my own talk page to make remarks about my anatomy. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 10:49, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Benjamin Morrell FAR
I have nominated Benjamin Morrell for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Green C  02:29, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

User:Cash2013 - religion cats
I'm not a bio person but I came across recent edits by User:Cash2013 which I suspect may be of interest to you guys - a lot of apparently unreferenced additions of religion categories and creation of new intersection categories for descent. Seems enthusiastic and has a particular interest in Italians, just needs a bit of guidance. I've already given some pointers on categorisation, but perhaps someone could take a look at the edits and perhaps do some mentoring? Le Deluge (talk) 17:40, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Diana Brown & Barrie K. Sharpe
Diana_Brown_&_Barrie_K._Sharpe

It's doubtful there is any reason for this duo to have a Wikipedia page. It's quite possible that this is just a vanity page for group who never quite made it.

The page attributes the invention of a non-existent musical genre, "groundbeat". "Groundbeat" - as it's written on the page, or any references to it doesn't exist anywhere apart from this Wikipedia page.

The musicial duo, Diana Brown & Barrie K. Sharpe referred to on the page, although the appeared on 1 or 2 British TV shows never managed a hit single or album.

The page claims the highest chart position they ever reached was number 39 in the UK charts. There is no valid citation for this. In addition, it brings into question whether everyone and anyone who attains 1 very minor hit should have a Wikipedia page.

Furthermore, the "References" (detailed below) on the page do not link to any pages on the internet, or at the very most go to dead links.

The "References" cited: http://www.officialcharts.com/page-not-found/?aspxerrorpath=/artist/_/diana%2520brown%2520&%2520barrie%2520k.%2520sharpe/

http://www.black-music-collectors.com/labels/ffrr.htm

http://indamixworldwide.com/html/article1215.html

There is a Wikipeda reference to a Russian musicial outfit called "Ground Beat" - note 2 separate words. The Russian group and Diana Brown & Barrie K. Sharpe do not seem connected in any capacity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.105.59.188 (talk) 18:16, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
 * If that is the case then you may want to pursue an AFD report for the article. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 19:19, 19 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Confirm Russian group is not related/relevant.
 * Also support WP:AFD nomination; however here are some points to consider first:
 * Group works are widely available online and music databases cite the article.
 * Article has (brief, but) good structure.
 * Article has significant history and contributors.
 * Recommend: (1) Display request for sources on the article page. (2) Browse article/talk history to find any previous deletion discussions. (3) Establish notability standpoint by checking Wikipedia for presence of equivalent significance articles on music groups. (4) Research subject to decide between deletion/verification/expansion. (Source search for the particular band name is quite trivial; however it might be possible to find material on group members and works. Following through hyperlink net on this page should provide a basic outline.) (5) Evaluate Wikipedia's overall coverage of the subject to determine if/where information could be better incorporated in other articles.
 * Final decision can rest on WP:GNG, but we must research dead/new sources and allow time for relevant contributors to reply.
 * Fakedeeps (talk) 15:53, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

John T. Lupton II
Hello. An editor has added twice a long quote with an unreliable reference to John T. Lupton II's article. The quote sounds made up and has this passage for example: "Well, they were full of s---, as far as I'm concerned." I don't want to edit-war but can someone please fix this? Sorry, I have to write this here because no one seems to be paying much attention to the article and writing on the talkpage would not do much. I've already tried to ask an administrator, to no avail. Thank you.Zigzig20s (talk) 23:56, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
 * If the link is a copyright infringement, the URL should be removed. Why do you think discussing the matter on the talk page wouldn't do much?  If you try, you can at least say that you attempted some form of dispute resolution.  If that goes nowhere, there's always WP:DRN.  If the user fails to respect consensus at DRN, you could try your luck at WP:ANI.  It's too early for that right now, though. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 15:03, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
 * User:NinjaRobotPirate: Do you really think the quote should be taken seriously? And it's not a matter of copyright infringement. It's just that the weblink is unreliable--it links to some writer/journalist's website/blog.Zigzig20s (talk) 21:07, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
 * It looks like it goes to Bill Dedman's personal site, but it was originally published in The Chattanooga Times. According to Dedman's Wikipedia article, he's a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist, so this is probably a different case than some blogger who's quoting his own blog.  I don't know if the quotation is undue, but it should probably be at least paraphrased.  I guess you could try that. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 19:04, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I've trimmed it. It still sounds strange to me. We're not really in the habit of having long quotes and linking to personal websites...Zigzig20s (talk) 00:46, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Checking dates of death for UK residents (post-WW2)
Is there anywhere that I can check on the date of death for a UK resident who died after the Second World War? I'm trying to find out the date of death for Ted Ellyard, the Daily Mail telegraphist who survived the Munich air disaster. I believe he died in 1964, six years after the accident, but I have no way of checking this. I'm not even sure where the year 1964 originated in the article. Any help would be much appreciated. (Also, could someone ping me when this message receives a reply?) – PeeJay 20:40, 1 April 2015 (UTC)


 * User:PeeJay2K3 using primary sources so not citable the only "Edward Ellyard" I can find is a Edward Arthur Ellyard who was born on 15 August 1923 and died sometime in 1969. As with the danger of these things no proof that he is even related to "Ted Ellyard" but only two appear in the 20th century in England and Wales and the other Edward Ellyard died in 1918. Cant find any report of his death, you would have expected some publicity as a survivor, also he could have moved from England. MilborneOne (talk) 21:30, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

William Wilkinson Addison
Can a project member Talk page assess this new one please ? Thanks. Acabashi (talk) 09:18, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Done. I also updated the infobox to use templates for birth and death dates.  They're a bit tricky to figure out at first, but they're pretty handy. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 11:57, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Trayvon Martin
There is a discussion taking place at Talk:Trayvon Martin on whether or not to include an infobox in the article. More opinions would improve the quality of debate there --RexxS (talk) 17:12, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Indian Biography articles that need attention
Please take a look at Indian Biography articles that need attention discussion that may be of interest to members of this project too. Abecedare (talk) 06:12, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Matterhorn 150th anniversary
...at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mountains (lots of bios to improve). ZachG (Talk) 13:15, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Very Important discussion that may lead a statutes for Indian FNAS, FIAS, FNAAS, FISCA, FINAS
Some important discussions are ongoing here on these afds 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6. Please join the discussion and opine, since this will create a precedent for other such Indian articles on WP existing now, and created in future. Please dont miss out! Educationtemple (talk) 14:34, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Ludwig van Beethoven
There is a discussion taking place at Talk:Ludwig van Beethoven on whether or not to include an infobox in the article. More opinions would improve the quality of debate there. --RexxS (talk) 21:35, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

G. Edward Griffin
This are a few RfCs in progress at this BLP. Atsme &#9775;  Consult  16:24, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Marie Antoinette
There is currently a discussion at Talk:Marie Antoinette that may be of interest to members of this project. Comments from interested editors are welcome.. NebY (talk) 20:59, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Please address rampant plagiarism
...at John Pym. The source text for the carte blanche transfer of the copyrighted material to Wikipedia is identified in the article's Talk section. Le Prof 71.239.87.100 (talk) 02:08, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * That's good work spotting the plagiarism. I think I cleaned all of it up.  I reverted to an older version of the page before the problematic edits and reintegrated the useful edits that got removed.  I would work further on the article, but I'm too busy and too ignorant of the subject matter. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 03:34, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Infobox nationality - English or British
Currently some back and forth on Emilia Clarke's page about what to put in the infobox for nationality. It's between English and British. Anyone able to point to a particular discussion, policy, or essay that would clear this up?  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) Please &#123;&#123;re&#125;&#125; 04:05, 20 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi, just a quick heads up to let you know that I left a note on your Talk page about this question. Hope it helps. - Ryk72 'c.s.n.s.' 13:40, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Ancient Olympians
An interesting question has come up at Articles for deletion/Pantacles of Athens about whether Ancient Olympians should automatically be considered notable. Please comment over there if you are interested. — Mr. Stradivarius  ♪ talk ♪ 17:43, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Bernard D. Sadow, 1970 American inventor and patent-holder of wheels on suitcases.
Hello. Is anyone able to find much about Bernard D. Sadow, who invented wheels on suitcases in 1970 and received a patent in 1972? Such an important invention of something used by millions of people every day; I believe he should have a page, but I can't find much about him. There was a brief obituary in The New York Times, but I can't find much else. Please help if you can. Thank you.Zigzig20s (talk) 20:39, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * While I'm at it, I feel like Robert Plath, who invented the modern wheeled suitcase with a rigid handle, should probably have his own page as well. Is anyone able to find much please?Zigzig20s (talk) 20:53, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Meghan Trainor RFC
Hi, I would like to notify the wikiproject that there's currently an RFC underway at Talk:Meghan Trainor as to how to describe the talents of Meghan Trainor. Your participation is welcome. -- Diannaa (talk) 00:55, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Spouse parameter and surnames
I have posed a question about the use of pre-marriage names in infoboxes at Infobox person's talk page. This is related to the project here, so I thought I would invite discussion/input. Cheers!  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) Please &#123;&#123;re&#125;&#125; 05:58, 23 April 2015 (UTC)