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Nomination of Jenna Fife for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Jenna Fife is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Jenna Fife until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 21:22, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

PR
Lady Gaga is currently up for a peer review. See Peer review/Lady Gaga/archive4. Snuggums (talk / edits) 03:52, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

Walter Hennecke - Hans Hennecke
HI,

I'm writing a biography about the author and translator Hans Hennecke. He was born in 1897 in Bethen. He was a soldier during World War II but was wounded and was sent back home. I assume these two men are brothers, since there are letters that have been exchanged between them (http://kalliope.staatsbibliothek-berlin.de/de/search.html?q=Hans+Hennecke). There is a wikipedia Article about Hans Hennecke if anyone is interested. I know who their father is, Edgar Hennecke, but I'm not sure about the mother (Helene Hennecke ? Gisela Hennecke ?) Does anyone know more about this man ? Can anyone confirm that they were brothers ? I would really appreciate it :).

Thanks !

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William Chisolm
Is it possible to get a photo?

OIVEYFGH (talk) 22:02, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Please be more specific. Are you referring to one of the people named William Chisholm? --Animalparty! (talk) 22:54, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I mean the founder of Oakville, Ontario, Canada OIVEYFGH (talk) 23:03, 25 February 2016 (UTC)


 * There's a painting here, which would likely be under public domain if published before 1923 and the creator died more than 50 years ago. --Animalparty! (talk) 00:39, 26 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Image uploaded, hope it remains ! Thanks GrahamHardy (talk) 12:22, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

Sorting
Hi, Whereabouts would you expect to see people like Mel B & Melanie C appearing within categories (for example Category:20th-century English singers) ? They currently appear under M, is that the best position, or should they be under B and C... ? (think they are OK where they are, but I may be wrong - feel free to point me at previous discussions or the relevant guidelines, Thanks GrahamHardy (talk) 11:28, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I actually moved them from B & C to M, but I am having some doubts whether I did right, the question should really be generalized to all single-letter 'surnames', but I suspect the consensus for the Spice Girls will apply elsewhere...GrahamHardy (talk) 13:00, 15 March 2016 (UTC)


 * I have no expectation but some facts.
 * They will be found under Brown and Chisholm, or local versions of those surnames, in most European-language Wikipedias, as few of their many biographies use the 'B' and 'C' pagenames. See Melanie Brown and Melanie Chisholm at Wikidata. (Those linknames are the current English-language labels at WD and also the current Simple English pagenames.)
 * None of our pages, , and is now classed a printworthy redirect. None is now in a substantial category but the latter is in.
 * --P64 (talk) 19:57, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

Writing contest about Valencian poets
Hello. I want to invite you to participate in a new writing contest about Valencian poets because the World Day of Poetry. The contest is open till March, 27 and you can edit in every language. The information is in Spanish and Catalan, and the contest is organized by Amical Wikimedia and Wikimedia Spain. The rules are very simple: 1 point for each 1000 bytes added and 1 extra point in case the article was new. Page in Spanish and in Catalan. --Millars (talk) 22:40, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

RfC notice: Ethnicity in infoboxes
Village pump (policy) for ongoing RfC to remove ethnicity from infoboxes. (Not sure why this page wasn't notified earlier.)  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  00:14, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

RfC notice: Religion in biographical infoboxes
Village pump (policy) for new RfC to remove religion from (except where consensus determines it is directly relevant to why the subject is notable). — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  01:26, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

Hello, We have come across few points that could help us enhance biography on Honor Fell. One of the edits we want to make is adding more details to her early life and education section. We would also like to add details to her particular research of tissue and organ culture method as well as more detail to her retirement section. We believe that she is an honorable woman and should have more details to her wikipedia page since all the information could be found on other reliable sources. M&#38;mhps (talk) 01:19, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Consensus needed on title of Shaw Neilson
I am seeking consensus about the title of this article, which I believe should be John Shaw Neilson. Thank you.Design (talk) 03:18, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

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Invitation to our April event
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Curtis Yarvin (Moved from WP:FTN)
NOTE: This discussion has been moved from the Fringe Theories Noticeboard. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:24, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

, one of the main theorists of the Dark Enlightenment - a fringe political figure who has done all manner of slightly notable things, some of which have made RSes. The article recently survived AFD. So the problem here is how to get it reliably sourced to BLP standards, particularly as a controversial figure.

There are a pile of warnings on the cites, but this post isn't intended to subtly ask for someone to steam in with an axe - instead, I'm asking for help with dredging up RSes on this fellow. So please don't go mad with the axe :-) We really seriously want help with good BLP-quality sourcing on this guy. Not primary sources, not blogs, but actual third-party verifiable RSes for everything worth noting about him. See the talk page for discussion hitherto - David Gerard (talk) 21:46, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
 * ::slowly sets his axe back down down and heaves a sigh:: I never get to use this thing anymore... MjolnirPants   Tell me all about it.  00:54, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Why do you even have an axe - isn't that supposed to be a hammer? Or are you just really pleased to see us? Andy Dingley (talk) 11:10, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
 * This is a tough one. I too have had a devil of time finding anything RS on Yarvin. My gut says he should be notable. But the reliable source coverage is... I will be generous and say it's thin. Part of me thinks the AfD got it right based on Yarvin's influence in the NRx movement, and the Keep could be justified on the basis of WP:COMMONSENSE. The problem is that the dearth of RS coverage means that it will be extremely difficult for this article to ever expand beyond a largeish stub. This contradicts the guidelines for stubs. Honestly, pending better RS coverage that will allow us to add basic info that one would expect in a BLP, I think this should be merged into Dark Enlightenment. -Ad Orientem (talk) 13:18, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I agree with Ad Orientem on the idea of merger... Right now, I would describe the subject as "contextually noteworthy" rather than notable in his own right... ie he should be heavily featured in the Dark Enlightenment article... with the expectation that a stand-alone BLP article will eventually be (re)created once there are more RSs to merit a stand-alone BLP. This would be in line with WP:PRESERVE. Wikipedia should definitely cover the guy... but not necessarily in a stand-alone article. Blueboar (talk) 14:17, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
 * On a side note: I think this discussion should be moved to the talk page of WP:WPBIO. Politics and political persons, even political views that might be reasonably described as "fringe" are not usually discussed here because political beliefs are inherently subjective. The topics addressed on this board normally deal with issues where there is a clear (or close to it) true and false. Pseudoscience, medical quackery, bizarre conspiracy theories are the staples of this board. Politics and/or controversial political persons is, IMHO, outside this boards intended brief. I personally think that Communists are crazier than a bunch of bed bugs trapped in a jar full of moonshine. But I don't believe this board should get involved in that. All of which said, I think the concerns raised by the OP are entirely legitimate as per my comment above. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:35, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Quite possibly, yes - David Gerard (talk) 17:03, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

Beverly Cleary
I read in the news today about Beverly Cleary turning 100 soon, so I googled her and ended up on her WP article, which it turned out needs some TLC. There were chunks taken verbatim from sources, some decent sources, but for some reason, a lot of them haven't corresponded to the material they're attributed to. I removed the potential WP:COPYVIO stuff that I notice, but I haven't made it all the way through the article. All of the sources basically need to be verified. I got started, but could use some help if anyone has time. For more info, see some of the comments I left on Talk:Beverly Cleary. PermStrump (talk) 08:26, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Thomas McMicking
He was Thomas McMicking IV not VI. I am Kirk Leslie McMicking Bailey of Welland, Ontario. Thomas McMicking IV was my direct ancestor. My mother was Jean Frances McMicking. She died October 2015 in Dundas, ON--the place of her birth on January 11, 1913. Visit the McMicking Family website for confirmation. There has never been a Thomas McMicking V or VI to date that I know of. Thanks for the correction.
 * Sorted, thanks. Also reverted back to a version prior to the incorporation of copyright violation text taken from --Tagishsimon (talk) 10:26, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

"Jane Ryan"
The usage and primary topic of Jane Ryan is under discussion. Is Imelda Marcos the primary topic? See the discussion at talk:Jane Ryan -- 70.51.46.39 (talk) 05:39, 2 April 2016 (UTC)


 * is now making "Imelda Marcos" the topic link for Jane Ryan, seemingly promoting her primarity on yet another page -- 70.51.45.100 (talk) 04:43, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Nobel prize medals in the info box
Can anybody remember when it was decided to remove them and point me to this decission? I know that this hppened some time ago. Now the medals are re-added to an article Henry Kissinger. I dare not to remove it without a quote on an old decission.--Stone (talk) 19:30, 10 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Looking on one article Marie Curie the medal was added in 2008 but later removed. --Stone (talk) 19:45, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Shhh! Invitation to Women in Espionage
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Templates for Notability?
Hi. Is there a template for a banner at the top of an article to indicate that the article does not explain the notability of the subject? Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 20:01, 11 April 2016 (UTC)


 * notability is precisely that template :-) - David Gerard (talk) 20:40, 11 April 2016 (UTC)


 * What if a subject may be notable, but the people who created its article just haven't explained how in the article text? Would the above template be the right one to use? I ask, because the Ian Bertram article a list of five references in the Ref section, but no explanatory text explaining his notability, nor any inline cites. Is that the right tag to use? Nightscream (talk) 03:04, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't think we have a template for that specific circumstance, but if you tag it as a stub, that's pretty much the same thing. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 03:26, 12 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Okay, thanks. Nightscream (talk) 05:09, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

List of male tennis players
FYI, a merger has been proposed, see Talk:List of male singles tennis players -- 70.51.45.100 (talk) 04:45, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Rhys Morgan


The article Rhys Morgan has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * '''I have been suggested to notify the relevant project of this proposal for deletion (no speed):


 * 1) Sparse appearance in the media (mostly 2011, see sources);
 * 2) Not eminent and not performing above expectations in his field of interest;
 * 3) Only locally relevant (see talk);
 * 4) Low level of activity since 2011;
 * 5) Famous for only one event (in the second event he was not the main character; just one among the many bloggers who addressed the issue. Got threats as a consequence of his blog? Yeah. Even my gf got stalked once;
 * 6) This page cannot be made better, because it should not be here in first place;
 * 7) When proposed for speed deletion in 2011, people voted for him being notable but were fooled by the fact he was on TV, but being on TV may only be a clue of notability and not sufficient evidence for it;


 * For a detailed analysis, which is an overkill, please go to the talk page at section 16 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Rhys_Morgan#Serious_deletion_proposal.
 * I am also afraid the voting process might be rigged by over-representation due to his mild Internet popularity and fandom. Should his occasional blog followers get to know about it, they would flood Wikipedia to vote. I thus suggest vote is restricted to only people with Wikipedia activity that occurred prior to 2011. Consequently, I will not notify the author of the article personally. If somebody wants to do it, they are welcome, but I think this would damage the independence and intellectual autonomy of the evaluation process. Consequently, I prefer to alert the project members rather than the original author.

Thank you all.'''

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on |the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. MarcelloPapirio (talk) 07:04, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Discussion on auto-assessment of articles
See this discussion, which suggests a bot task that would auto-assess some articles for WikiProjects based on other WikiProject templates on the page. Please feel free to comment on the discussion. It would be helpful to know if your WikiProject would be interested in auto-assessment. ~ RobTalk 17:12, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

"Disturbed"
The usage and primary topic of Disturbed is under discussion, see talk:Disturbed (band) -- 70.51.46.195 (talk) 05:38, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

Photography
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Women artists of Middle East / North Africa... a WiR & Guggenheim collaboration
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Freida Pinto FAC
I've nominated the article for FAC. Constructive feedback would be appreciated – Featured article candidates/Freida Pinto/archive3. Thanks, &mdash; Vensatry (Talk) 17:06, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Category:People mentioned by Herodotus has been nominated for discussion
Category:People mentioned by Herodotus, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to see if it abides with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. RevelationDirect (talk) 00:04, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Sal the Stockbroker
See talk:Sal the Stockbroker ; the article located at has flipped back and forth between being a redirect to a list and being a biography for the last 7 years. -- 70.51.46.195 (talk) 08:23, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Move Discussion at Talk:Hafþór Júlíus Björnsson
There is a Request for Move discussion at Talk:Hafþór Júlíus Björnsson, regarding the Icelandic letter [ þ ] and whether it should be replaced with English letters. Any input is appreciated. - Boneyard90 (talk) 21:23, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

TemplatE:Non-free biog-pic
Non-free biog-pic has been nominated for deletion -- 70.51.200.96 (talk) 09:44, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Help with an article!
Hi guys! I'm in the process of trying to clean an article up, but I know that there's only so much I can do today. The article for Ralph Hamor needs a lot of work because I'm not sure how much of it is actually accurate. I just pulled out a sentence that claimed that Captain Christopher Newport died in 1621 as a result of an attack, however my records with Encylopedia Virginia show that Newport died in 1617 of unspecified causes. All we know is that he died around this time.

I'm really not sure how much of the article is accurate since I haven't done an in-depth comparison to the EV's bio of him. All I know is that the Newport claim stood out immediately because it was so obviously incorrect. If that's wrong, then I have to assume that a large portion of the article is probably wrong as well.

Anyone want to help out? The EV is a good place to start since it's run by the VHF and this particular entry was written by one of the Library of Virginia's historians, so I can vouch for its accuracy. (Full disclosure, I'm a volunteer there.) However of course the article will likely need more sources - I know that right now one of the sources is to RootsWeb, which is problematic for obvious reasons. (User submitted content, in other words.) Tokyogirl79LVA (talk) 14:51, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

Trying to alleviate multiple problems with a new page
I created a new page Adam Hawkins and got this message up top:

This article has multiple issues. Please help improve it (see how) or discuss these issues on the talk page. This biography of a living person does not include any references or sources. (May 2016) The topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's general notability guideline. (May 2016)

I listed a reference but must have done it incorrectly, any ideas? Also, he's pretty notable considering he mixed one of the biggest songs in the last few months, and a few in the past few years so I'm not sure why it wouldn't meet the notability guideline.

It also keeps getting tagged and patrolled. I'm a newbie so I'm not sure what this all means or where to look.

Thanks for any help, LaurenLaurenmhawkins (talk) 22:51, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Now I'm supposed to clear up a close connection explaining a neutral point of view. There is no opinion on the page, purely fact. The discography is directly taken from all music and the all other information is taken from Universal Audio site and Moir entertainment.

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Laurenmhawkins (talk • contribs) 04:38, 6 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Hey, Lauren! I placed a conflict of interest tag on the article not for any particular issue with the content contained therein, as it appears fine in terms of presenting a neutral point of view, but as a kind of disclaimer. Your username appears to suggest that you may have a close connection with the subject. Per the article I linked to above at WP:COI:

Conflict of interest is not about actual bias. It is about a person's roles and relationships, and the tendency to bias that we assume exists when roles conflict. That someone has a conflict of interest is a description of a situation. It is not a judgment about that person's state of mind or integrity.
 * So again I emphasize that the tag is not there to describe a problem with the article, just the existence of a potential conflict of interest by one of its editors. If you are indeed related to Adam Hawkins, you can fill out this template as a disclaimer explaining your relationship and place it on the article's talk page:


 * And I'll remove the conflict of interest tag from the article page itself. ~ Erick Shepherd  • ( Talk ) • 12:56, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

Living=(unknown)
Hello. I thought I'd try and tackle the Category:Biography_articles_without_living_parameter backlog. What do I do in cases such as Jackie Good (a minor sportsperson who retired in the 50s)? If he is alive he'd be 92, but it's pretty unlikely that there's going to be information available to verify this case one way or another. Please ping me if answering this question. Thank you. --LukeSurlt c 13:23, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
 * LukeSurl, I would think somebody should be considered to be living until they reach the age of 125 just to be sure (I am sure that age is used by some Genealogists). MilborneOne (talk) 13:40, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. The BLP threshold is set as 115 years (WP:BDP). I'll assume this applies to the  parameter then, even if this means flagging some probably-dead people as   ? --LukeSurlt c 13:44, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
 * LukeSurl, I'm not sure I'd take it that way. I think one could clearly state that anyone who was older than 115 (whether determining that by birth date or any other relevant date in their life being before 1901) should have living=no where it is currently unset.  However, I'm not sure that we should put everyone else in the living=yes grouping.  What would be the compelling reason to set it to yes?  Is there a reason it could not be left unset for that group of people? 1bandsaw (talk) 17:53, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
 * If  is unset for an article this shows up in the Category:Biography_articles_without_living_parameter backlog, suggesting that action is needed. As the template currently stands, there is no way to remove a backlog item without setting   to   or  . An   option is conspicuous by its absence, I am assuming this is because this flag is mostly intended to identify articles which need BLP-level scrutiny, and it is best to be cautious in that regard. --LukeSurlt c 20:26, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Help with David Harding (financier)
Hi WikiProject watchers and members! I've recently posted a request with a few updates to the David Harding (financier) article, on behalf of Mr. Harding. As I've not seen any reply yet, I wanted to see if someone here would be willing to take a look?

Among the more straightforward edits, there is a request to update his family information. The current details were added based on one erroneous press article (he has tried to get a correction/retraction) and it is a sensitive issue regarding his children. Since this is a more delicate request than most, I'd love if someone more familiar with biographies (and WP:BLP) was able to take a peek.

The request is here. Thanks in advance for any help! 16912 Rhiannon (Talk &middot; COI) 16:19, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Auto-Assessment of Unassessed Articles
Following a recent discussion at WP:VPR, there appears to be consensus for a bot task that automatically assesses the class of articles based on classes listed for other project templates on the same page. In other words, if WikiProject A has evaluated an article to be C-class and WikiProject B hasn't evaluated the article at all, such a bot task would automatically evaluate the article as C-class for WikiProject B.

Articles will only be auto-assessed to the "standard" classes (FA, FL, GA, B, C, Start, and Stub), and articles which have conflicting classes listed on different WikiProject templates will be skipped. In other words, this task is intentionally conservative to ensure that it doesn't make any problematic assessments.

This bot task will operate on an opt-in basis. If you're involved in this WikiProject and think auto-assessment would be beneficial, please discuss the possibility here. If there's consensus among WikiProject members to opt-in to auto-assessment (or a reasonable period of time goes by with no dissent), please visit User:BU RoBOT/autoassess and list the project.

If you have any questions, feel free to ping me here or message me on my talk page. Cheers! ~ RobTalk 20:14, 24 April 2016 (UTC)


 * As someone who works on biographies of Canadian football players, I support auto-assessment for this project. With over 140,000 unassessed articles, this project is perhaps the one that can benefit most from auto-assessment. ~ RobTalk 20:14, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Prodding this a bit. Anyone have any opinion? If not, I'll proceed with a BRFA soon. ~ RobTalk 03:33, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Seems alright to me. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 03:45, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Any other input on this? The BRFA is currently holding for additional input/consensus. It will likely eventually be approved if no one else comments here, but a few more editors supporting this would speed things along. Of course, any objections or concerns are also appreciated. ~ RobTalk 19:11, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Please comment on a RfC at Talk:Jeremy Corbyn
Please share your input in an RfC relating to what image should be used in the infobox at the Wikipedia page for the Leader of the British Labour Party AusLondonder (talk) 09:22, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

Bojan Djordjic move request
Since tennis player Bojan Djordjic is tagged as being of interest to this wikiproject, please join in the move discussion at Talk:Bojan_Djordjic. Rovingrobert (talk) 07:20, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Kindly Add a Photo


Kindly add this photo. I am his Grand-daughter Ms Debdatta Basu younger D/o Dipranjan Basu. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dbasu0 (talk • contribs) 06:56, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you, . The photo will be worked on before it is put on Chitta Basu (director) ... it has some issues, such as not being square, and showing the original print's borders. Right now, it is listed for work here. Once that work is complete, it will be added to the article. Thank you for uploading it. --Tagishsimon (talk) 07:46, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * The photo is now in place on the article, . thanks --Tagishsimon (talk) 11:26, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

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Spotlight on women entertainers!
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To those who are interested: "Sexuality" section on J. Edgar Hoover
To all interested WikiProject Biography members,

I am soliciting comment on what precisely belongs in the "Sexuality" section at J. Edgar Hoover, and I would like the input of the wider community of those interested in biographies. Join in if interested at Talk:J. Edgar Hoover.

MisterRandomized (talk) 07:26, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Jewish Women's History Online Editathon
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Vicente S. Santos, Jr.
I have added this project's banner to Talk:Vicente S. Santos, Jr. and I am wondering if someone would mind taking a look at the article and assessing it. Much of the content seems to have been added by an editor who is closely connected to Santos, so it may require some cleanup to bring it more in line with Wikipedia's MOS and NPOV. Any suggestions that anyone has on how to improve the article would be most appreciated. Thanks in advance. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:58, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Florbela Espanca's DOD
Can I get some second opinions as to what I should put for Florbela Espanca's date of death? I'm posting here as the activity on the page is slow and I don't think I'd get any responses there. I've been trying to add sources to the article as originally there were none and it said she was born 8 December 1894 and died 8 December 1930. That was confirmed in the first source I found (ISBN 9780787668242). It says, "She attempted suicide twice before making the final attempt on her life (by an overdose of barbiturates) on 8 December 1930, the date of her thirty-sixth birthday." However the second source I found (doi:10.2307/344263) says, "When she died in Matosinhos near Oporto from an overdose of barbiturates on December 7, 1930, the eve of her thirty-sixth birthday..." There are limited sources in English about her and these are the best ones I've found so far that cover her biography and aren't just a discussion of her poetry. Is there a good way to address the discrepancy without OR? What should the lead and infobox say? Thanks! —PermStrump ( talk )  01:09, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Fabrice Grinda
Fabrice Grinda is a prominent international angel investor, with several hundred investments. He's been profiled in the New York Times, for example. Since January, I've had a request pending on the article's Talk for an independent review of suggested edits to this article. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Fabrice_Grinda#Updates_--_request_review I have a conflict of interest under WP:COI, so my proposed changes must be reviewed by an independent editor. I won't make direct edits to the article, as per WP policy. I wonder if someone might take a look and decide whether the suggested edits are worth making. Thanks. BC1278 (talk) 16:44, 25 May 2016 (UTC)BC1278
 * I replied on that talk page. I think one of the claims could use a better source, but it seems mostly alright to me. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 08:36, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Request for input in a discussion about an article title
Hi, a two-editor discussion on Talk:Mie Østergaard Nielsen is stuck and could benefit from additional input. Thanks, Gap9551 (talk) 22:09, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

RFC invitation - WP:BIRTHNAME
I invite you to join the discussion at MOS/Biographies regarding a proposal to omit the current wording of WP:BIRTHNAME vis-a-vis transgender and non-binary people. Thank you.  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) Please &#123;&#123;re&#125;&#125; 02:51, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

Extermally short biography
Emilio Morote EsquivelXx236 (talk) 08:01, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

Henry W. Cannon
Cannon built an impressive collection of Old Master paintings, principally Italian Renaissance. These paintings decorated his villa near Florence and were donated to Princeton University in his memory by his son in 1935. Reference: J. Paul Richter, "The Cannon Collection of Italian Paintings of the Renaissance, Mostly of the Veronese School", Princeton (Princeton University Press), 1936. Brad Delaney (talk) 18:43, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

A discussion...
...that may be of interest to the members of this project can be found here. BMK (talk) 23:58, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

Good article reassessment: Hyazinth Graf Strachwitz
Hi, a community good article reassessment has been started for the article on Hyazinth Graf Strachwitz, an article which is in this project's scope. The reassessment page can be found here. Interested editors are encouraged to take part and comment on whether they believe the article still meets the GA criteria, or to provide suggestions about how it could be improved so that it can retain its GA status. K.e.coffman (talk) 01:09, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia biography of Dalip Singh Saund.
As a regular reader of Wikipedia I am highly disappointed to read such a short and uninformative article about Dalip Singh Saund, Ph.D the very first Indian American to win a seat in the U.S. Congress in the fifties. The very deficient article says nothing about his family, Indian background, his wife and children and grand children. Precious little is said about his Sikh heritage and about his community in California which State he represented. I suggest your editors make some inquiries of his descendants and archival articles abut his personal life in U.C.Berkeley and life in the California farms where he grew up.2602:306:BC73:D7A0:F99E:13C4:DE05:D11F (talk) 04:02, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

Updated draft article for Mark McKinnon
I am seeking help to implement an expanded Wikipedia article about Mark McKinnon. As mentioned on the article's talk page, I have spent the last couple months working with Mark McKinnon and H+K Strategies to ensure the article's accuracy, and was paid to complete this project as part of my work at Beutler Ink. Is there someone who is willing to respond to my edit request and review my draft article to replace the existing version? I am trying not to edit the article directly, given my conflict of interest. Thanks for your consideration. Inkian Jason (talk) 20:20, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
 * This request has been answered. Inkian Jason (talk) 16:27, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

Requested move
There is a requested move at Talk:Ayşe Hafsa Sultan on pages that list this WikiProject as interested in the articles' subjects. You are invited to the talk page to give your input. OUR Wikipedia (not "mine")!  Paine  01:07, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

Crediting image captions
I wasn't sure which venue would be the best one to ask this question at, so I picked this one. I'm also posing this same question at Wikipedia talk:Citing sources. I created an article on Amy Bess Miller fairly recently, and that article includes her bibliography. However, there is another work currently not listed to which Miller contributed. The Shaker Image Second and Annotated Edition includes annotations by Magda Gabor-Hotchkiss, with captions written by Amy Bess Miller and John Harlow Ott. How would I credit this in a bibliography? For the introduction that Miller wrote for the fascimile reprint of The gardener's manual, I just used the "cite book" template and entered "Introduction" into the chapter parameter. But this type of thing I don't think would work in this case. So what would be the solution?-- 3family6 ( Talk to me   &#124;  See what I have done  ) 04:10, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Seeking help with Autism Speaks
Hi there! I'm looking for editors to help review material I have prepared for the Autism Speaks article. While the article is about the autism advocacy organization, I'm hoping to add a few sentences with details about the level of involvement co-founder Suzanne Wright has had in the organization's awareness efforts, so I figured I would ping editors here at WikiProject Biography.

I'm working on behalf of Mrs. Wright and her husband, Autism Speaks co-founder Bob Wright, so I won't make any edits myself. I posted an edit request on the Autism Speaks Talk page to update the Awareness section of the article. Can someone take a look? Thanks in advance, 16912 Rhiannon (Talk &middot; COI) 19:48, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅ This request is complete. 16912 Rhiannon (Talk &middot; COI) 17:35, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Possible article split
There is a new discussion of possibly splitting the article: Perpetua and Felicity. — JudeccaXIII (talk) 23:25, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

Welcome to the Hall of Fame!
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FAC source review
Featured article candidates/Henry Hoʻolulu Pitman/archive2 needs a source review for formatting and reliability and a spotcheck of sources for accuracy and avoidance of plagiarism or close paraphrasing. Image review already done. Thanks.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 21:19, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

GAR input sought: World War II biography
Hi, it has been suggested to me by editor Coretheapple in the Discussion area of a current GA reassessment that the review be brought to the attention of a wider audience. The reassessment raises the questions of sourcing; neutrality; and level of detail present in the article. The article in question is Hyacinth Graf Strachwitz and falls within the scope of the Biography project.

I hope editors of this project would be interested in reviewing the article to see if it still meets Good article criteria and whether it should be retained or delisted as a Good article. Thank you and happy editing. K.e.coffman (talk) 19:25, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes I did make that suggestion and I commend K.e.coffman for coming here. I would make the same request re Good article reassessment/William L. Uanna/1. While improved since the GAR of that article commenced, there are still questions as to reliable sourcing and unencyclopedic detail. Coretheapple (talk) 13:35, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I will also add that editors shouldn't feel that they need specific knowledge of military history in order to contribute, and in fact, it's probably better if more of us who don't know much about these specific subjects weigh in as impartial input is desperately needed. —PermStrump  ( talk )  19:32, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

Award ribbons in infobox
Hey all, I'm curious if there's existing consensus, or widespread usage of award ribbons in biographical infoboxes. I notice a number of biographies on Indian people that contain some version of the following:


 * awards     = IND Padma Vibhushan BAR.png Padma Vibhushan 2015 IND Padma Bhushan BAR.png Padma Bhushan 1991 Order of Excellence Nishan-e-Imtiaz.png Nishan-e-Imtiaz 1997

It's not exactly widespread, (about of the Padma Bhushan ribbon as of this note) but before I remove them I wanted to see if this is normal. I don't recognize it as such, and it tends to draw undue attention to some awards over others. Any comments? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:32, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Notice to participants at this page about adminship
Many participants here create a lot of content, have to evaluate whether or not a subject is notable, decide if content complies with BLP policy, and much more. Well, these are just some of the considerations at Requests for adminship.

So, please consider taking a look at and watchlisting this page:


 * Requests for adminship/Optional RfA candidate poll

You could be very helpful in evaluating potential candidates, and maybe even finding out if you would be a suitable RfA candidate.

Many thanks and best wishes,

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:22, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Looking for feedback on a tool on Visual Editor to add open license text from other sources
Hi all

I'm designing a tool for Visual Editor to make it easy for people to add open license text from other sources, there are a huge number of open license sources compatible with Wikipedia including around 9000 journals. I can see a very large opportunity to easily create a high volume of good quality articles quickly. I have done a small project with open license text from UNESCO as a proof of concept, any thoughts, feedback or endorsements (on the Meta page) would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

--John Cummings (talk) 14:56, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Attention template editors!
Please see Category talk:Biographical templates usable as a module. Jujutsuan ( Please notify with &#123;&#123;re&#125;&#125; talk &#x7C; contribs) 13:35, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Antarctic Scientist Biography Drafts
Hello, The Scientific Committee for Antarctic Research has produced a set of biography drafts of notable women in the field. Some are going through WP:AfC and others are soon to be submitted (thanks again,, , , , , , , , , ).

Most are in pretty decent shape for first drafts, however all could do with a bit of copyediting and wikification. A few would also benefit from additional sources. We've tried to get some representation of non-english-speaking women, but references can be harder to hunt down! A number have already been accepted into mainspace, and I've added the articles that are currently drafts below.

Full redlink list including finished and unstarted pages at Meetup/SCAR_2016



Thanks for any help your're able to provide! T.Shafee(Evo&#65120;Evo)talk 01:28, 20 June 2016 (UTC)


 * I'll be happy to take a look at them over the next few days. I can help move drafts, too if they're ready. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 18:45, 20 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Thank you for all the fantastic help so far! Some additional pages in need of polishing:
 * Thank you again! T.Shafee(Evo&#65120;Evo)talk 00:50, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you again! T.Shafee(Evo&#65120;Evo)talk 00:50, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you again! T.Shafee(Evo&#65120;Evo)talk 00:50, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you again! T.Shafee(Evo&#65120;Evo)talk 00:50, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you again! T.Shafee(Evo&#65120;Evo)talk 00:50, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you again! T.Shafee(Evo&#65120;Evo)talk 00:50, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you again! T.Shafee(Evo&#65120;Evo)talk 00:50, 1 July 2016 (UTC)
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 * Thank you again! T.Shafee(Evo&#65120;Evo)talk 00:50, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

A MOS discussion about Portal and Subject bar
Greetings, Members of this WikiProject are invited to the MOS discussion concerning the placement of Portal (and Portal bar) and Subject bar within articles. Your comments and input will be most helpful as we seek a consensus. Regards, — JoeHebda • (talk) 13:37, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

Request for comments
There is a request for comments that is likely of interest to this project at Talk:Rajka_Baković. --- Otr500 (talk) 16:03, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

Astronaut task force
Hey all. I put a little effort into creating a page where we could have a group of folks working on Apollo era astronaut biographies. Ideally, I would like to get all of those articles to a minimum of B-class, which I would not be able to do by myself.

Primarily, this task force is associated with WikiProject Spaceflight, but since it is directly related to biographies, figured some of you folks might be interested.

Let me know here or there if you are interested, or otherwise have comments or suggestions. Thanks, hope to see you there! Kees08 (talk) 03:15, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

New image for David Harding
Hi there. I've uploaded a new photo for the David Harding (financier) article and I'd like some help to add it to the infobox in place of the current older photograph. My full request, linking to the new photo is here on the article Talk page. You can also find the new photo here. As I have a financial conflict of interest with the article (I'm making this request on behalf of Mr Harding), I'd prefer not to edit the article myself to add this. Thanks in advance! 16912 Rhiannon (Talk &middot; COI) 21:34, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Just pinging this to see if someone can help add this new photo? Thanks! 16912 Rhiannon (Talk &middot; COI) 21:47, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
 * 16912 Rhiannon sir, I added new photo please. --J.V.R.K. PRASAD 17:40, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much for your help, J.V.R.K. PRASAD! The photo looks great. The only minor issue is that the old caption still appears below it. Would you be able to fix if you have a moment? 16912 Rhiannon (Talk &middot; COI) 20:05, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
 * 16912 Rhiannon sir, Please furnish here the new caption and I will incorporate there the same. With regards. J.V.R.K. PRASAD 03:28, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

Requested move proposal, Martin Luther King, Jr.
Please comment on a requested move to change numerous article titles which contain Dr. King's name. Randy Kryn 11:32, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

corrupt sentence
"A special issue of the journal Antonie van Leeuwenhoek, on microbial systematics" doesn't make sense. mjob@gwdg.de — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.22.195.206 (talk) 16:10, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Frauds and impostors, Rothschild edition
I was part of an interesting episode on Wikipedia, when in 2013 an elaborate impostor named Giovanni Strassini added his name to several Wikipedia pages, including naming himself a 1976 College Football All-American for Ohio State and a 1977 NFL Draft pick for the Cleveland Browns. He had a Facebook, Twitter, and even an IMDb entry with his false persona, and didn't break character offline when he fooled an OSU Buckeyes alumni club as being a "celebrity" of sorts. Long story short, he took it too far and the story unraveled.

The reason I am bringing this up is because there seems to be something similar going on with a fake Rothschild heiress. For a couple of years now (in fact I mentioned this very same issue on this project page in 2014 already) various single-purpose accounts and IPs (all from Sweden) add a certain "Baroness Olimpia Juliet de Rothschild" as daughter of David René de Rothschild (head of the French branch of the Rothschilds). There is no such person (see the official Rothschild Archive biography of David René de Rothschild). However its not only the persistency that makes this case curious, but also the fact that the very same impostor apparently runs a Facebook page with 80,000+ followers, on which she boasts her lavish lifestyles and (believe it or not!) calls out other Rothschild impostors.

If we ever write down a collection of the weirdest anecdotes in Wikipedia, these two incidents should be part of it I think. Anyhow, I just wanted to let the people of this project know, so that I am not the only one keeping an eyes on these articles. --bender235 (talk) 21:58, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Chaos Monkeys
An article was recently created for my recently-released, bestselling book on Silicon Valleys, 'Chaos Monkeys'. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_Monkeys

The linked name actually goes to a Spanish cyclist that is definitely not me. To my knowledge, I don't have a Wikipedia page. Either that should be remedied, or the link removed. In case you opt for the former, there's a basic bio at Everipedia: https://www.everipedia.com/antonio-garcia-martinez/

There's also a longer-form bio at my author site: http://www.antoniogarciamartinez.com/about-antonio-garcia-martinez/

Antoniogm (talk) 03:23, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Burhan Wani
from past several years, India has imposed a war in kashmir in order to yank kashmir in to India's territory by this India has imposed army of 8 Lac in that area with fully equipped with Guns shells pellets bombs etc, kashmiri people want to protest that indian army leave their premises so they can luve freely, and they kidnap any person who they want they rape any woman they want and kill any person they want by this many of they youngsters want to make a small force to get rid of this situation, and burhan muzaffar wani was a guy of just 21 years whom being killed by indian army brutally on 8 july 2016, after this matter all kashmiri nation stood up against india, and by watching this indian army opened fire on them uptill now they have brutally killed 56+ people and 400+ are badly injured or damaged can said, world should know about the real face of indian army and PM Modi, who is already being declared as an international criminal by Google. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.154.155.85 (talk) 08:28, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia and United Nations Women Project
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Merge Baden-Powell grave into Baden-Powell
Calling for comments on my merger proposal, which is awaiting consensus (discussion here). A couple of editors and I find that B-P's biography is fragmented and out of step with the rest of Wikipedia's biographies, because of that pointless and repetitive article about his non-notable burial site. However, other editors disagree. --Deeday-UK (talk) 20:10, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Notability of award recipients (biographical articles)
This is a somewhat belated notification of the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Notability (people), which may be of interest to the project. It appears to have run its course, with much interesting commentary offered, but if anyone would like to offer additional suggestions either on the thread or on my Talk page, that would be great.

The discussion is in two parts:


 * Notability in Knight's Cross Holder Articles, and immediately following:
 * Proposal 1 (new WP:Soldier criteria for Nazi Germany)

It looks like this is heading to an RfC that may impact many biographical articles, so any input on that would be appreciated. K.e.coffman (talk) 20:53, 22 July 2016 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Willy Albrecht


The article Willy Albrecht has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * Subjects fails WP:SOLDIER per article text: "No evidence of the award can be found in the German Federal Archives. Albrecht's case was never processed by the Association of Knight's Cross Recipients (AKCR). It is incomprehensible what evidence exists and who accepted him as a Knight's Cross recipient." The subject does not have a German wiki article. No significant coverage in RS can be found.

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Indigenous women & Polar women editathons
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FAR
I have nominated Gwen Stefani for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Snuggums (talk / edits) 18:55, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Paul Egger


The article Paul Egger has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * Fails GNG & SOLDIER; pls see Talk:Paul_Egger.

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The lead -- attractiveness as part of notability
Opinions are needed on the following matter: Talk:Angelina Jolie. A WP:Permalink for it is here. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 01:47, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

"Real" names
WP:MOSBIO gives us guidance when a bio subject normally uses a pseudonym and the birth name is known. But what to do when the "real" name is not known? This recently came up at Moxie Marlinspike, and I've also seen it touched on at Satoshi Nakamoto. I'm not very happy with "not his real name" because this suggests to me deception on the part of the article's subject. Kendall-K1 (talk) 12:41, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

Good article reassessment or interest to this project
Interested editors are invited to participate in this community reassessment: Good article reassessment/Wolfgang Lüth/1. K.e.coffman (talk) 18:41, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

RfC on hidden comments
At Talk:Gustav Holst, there is an RfC which may be within the scope of this WikiProject. Comments would be welcome. --RexxS (talk) 20:35, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Leonhard Schmidt


The article Leonhard Schmidt has been proposed for deletion&#32;because of the following concern:
 * Subject fails WP:GNG and WP:SOLDIER: significant RS coverage cannot be found, and the award of the Knight's Cross is in dispute. Pls see Talk page for more details.

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Assistance with Hilary Rosen?
Hello! Recently, I've been working on proposed updates for the Hilary Rosen article, aiming to address some issues in the current entry and add new information about her life and career. Having put together a suggested draft, I'm now looking for other editors to review and make the changes as appropriate, since I have a financial conflict of interest and prefer not to edit directly. (Disclosure: I'm working for Ms. Rosen through her firm SKDKnickerbocker as part of my work at Beutler Ink). Right now, I'm just hoping someone can look at my suggestion for the Early life section; please see my request here for more information. I'll also be reaching out at WikiProject Politics to see if editors familiar with political figures' biographies might be able to weigh in, but due to some more BLP-related issues in the article I would appreciate editors from this wikiproject offering their input, too. Cheers, WWB Too (Talk &middot; COI) 12:42, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
 * This is ✅ WWB Too (Talk &middot; COI) 12:39, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Review Hilary Rosen career section?
A couple weeks back I came here looking for assistance with the article Hilary Rosen. The first edit request has been answered and, to keep things moving along, I've posted a second edit request regarding the article's coverage of Ms. Rosen's career. I am seeking an editor to help review and implement the text I've proposed, as appropriate. Please see the edit request for details and let me know if you have any questions. Best, WWB Too (Talk &middot; COI) 12:42, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Hans Havik


The article Hans Havik has been proposed for deletion&#32;because of the following concern:
 * Notability WP:GNG & WP:SOLDIER: RS coverage cannot be found and, according to the article, the award of the Knight's Cross is in question: "German Federal Archives stated on 20 July 2004 that it cannot be verified that Hans Havik (Johann Havik according to Scherzer) received the Knight's Cross"

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Proposed deletion of Heinz Jürgens (SS officer)


The article Heinz Jürgens (SS officer) has been proposed for deletion&#32;because of the following concern:
 * Subject fails WP:GNG: significant RS coverage cannot be found; also fails WP:SOLDIER as the award is in dispute: "nomination never signed" and "presentation lacks legal justification".

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Military service categories
An editor has recently been deleting RAF categories from individuals who served in the RAF in the war but were not regular RAF personnel. See for instance and. I believe this is against the spirit of categorisation and should be reverted. Military service is usually very defining for those who served, even if they only served for a few years, and especially if they served in a world war. Please see Wikipedia talk:Categorization of people. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:56, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of David Colson (television)


The article David Colson (television) has been proposed for deletion&#32;because of the following concern:
 * as was pointed out on the Talk page way back in 2011, the content of this page is a copy of the page for David Cherrill. There is a person named David Olson or C. David Olson on IMDB, but none of the content here appears to apply to him.

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 * I considered other fixes, but lack of sources made me believe it would not be possible to create an article for this David Colson that substantiated notability.
 * Furthermore, it appears that much of the content of David Cherrill is also unsubstantiated by sources, but that will require a different action.  &#8212;jmcgnh  (talk) (contribs)  07:57, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

Musicians
Of current project talk page watchers, is there any interest in supporting or critiquing the separation of the Musicians work group into a separate project? Items relevant to that project have been either ignored or not tagged for some time, and it seems that a separate stand alone project might be easier to manage than as a work group. I know that Bio like Years is an ever increasing size and relentless expansion issue, as is musicians if properly managed, and it seems like a good idea. Any thoughts? JarrahTree 00:49, 1 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Isn't there already WikiProject Music? I've not really understood the distinction between the workgroup and the project, so perhaps it is time to merge them?  1bandsaw (talk) 21:42, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

Celine Figard
Could someone better versed than I check the copyright status of the photo that has just been added to this article, please? Britmax (talk) 18:24, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

CopyPatrol
Hey All We have a new bot that detects potential copyright concerns. You can sort them by WikiProject. Here is the link to the list for WP Biography. Of course follow up requires some common sense as it could be the source copying from us. Ping me if you are interested in more details. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 20:54, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Ribbons in infobox?
Hey all, what's the general attitude toward award ribbons being presented in a biography's infobox. I'm looking at a lot of Indian actor articles that are waving ribbons like in the infobox. Amitabh Bachchan is an example. C. N. R. Rao, a chemist, has seven of them. As I poke through a few military articles, like George S. Patton I don't see these fancy ribbons. Colin Powell has some, but they're in the body of the article, and frankly, it seems more appropriate for a celebrated military person to display ribbons than an actor. Anyone have any thoughts on this? Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:41, 11 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Is this perhaps a cultural thing within India? Perhaps ask over in WP:WikiProject India.  1bandsaw (talk) 21:40, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I did ask there a while back and nobody had any clear idea for why it was being used. I thought that if this was a common thing in biographical articles someone here might be able to explain. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:58, 14 August 2016 (UTC)


 * I find them not infrequently in biographies of military personnel. I normally remove them per WP:ICONDECORATION, though. Graham (talk) 22:51, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Information regarding New Age artist Ray Lynch
Before I have begun editing his page on August 2016, most (if not all) of his information was from his official website. After really researching about Lynch's life on Google Books and news articles from "American Radio History", I have discovered that Ray Lynch is extremely notable in the 80s and 90s. The most shocking discovery that I have made about the guy was that sued (and later left) his original music label company "Music West" for allegedly not paying artists like him. There is so much information on the guy on both Google Books and "American Radio History", especially the latter. I really need your help fixing Lynch's article once and for all. You can see many of my sources on the Article's talk page. Yoshiman6464 (talk) 00:44, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Beauty pageant winners
Currently there are a lot of discussions related to beauty pageant winners and if they are notable pending in the Articles for deletion process. This is one of the reasons there are now over 500 biographical articles involved in this process. Now there is also a general discussion of whether there should be a specific rule for beauty pageant winners, or whether they should have to pass the general notability guidelines. See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Beauty_Pageants. It has been open 16 days, attracked the notice of only 11 editors, including the one who posted it, 5 of whom oppose a specific guidelines, 6 of whom support a specific guideline, although there is no where near a consensus of what this guideline should be. Maybe Wikipedia is a smaller project than I think, but a policy that would affect hundreds of existing articles, and depending on how it is written might commit us to creating thousands of articles on people for whom we know about only maybe a year of their lives should at least in my mind be vetted by more people.John Pack Lambert (talk) 06:46, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

"Reality television star"
A question about neutrality in article naming. Is John Taylor (reality show star) an appropriate name? I feel like "star" is non-neutral. Should it be renamed? If so, to what? reality show personality? only (talk) 02:07, 19 August 2016 (UTC)


 * I would say "star" is inappropriate. We already have a John Taylor (actor) redlinked at John Taylor (disambiguation), so maybe John Taylor (reality show actor). Kendall-K1 (talk) 13:22, 19 August 2016 (UTC)


 * I wasn't so sure about actor because of the connotations with it: that acting is fiction and reality shows are non fiction. only (talk) 14:58, 19 August 2016 (UTC)


 * I would use John Taylor (reality show performer). Star is an inherent judgement call. I am not sure acting vs. non-acting is always seen as fiction vs. non-fiction. In some circles it is more seen as actors are professionals who are tained, reality show performers/contestants are not-trained and so not as good. Reality shows often involve some level of being staged, while actors can perform in historical reenactments that can have varrying levels of accuracy. I guess the actor who came into my 5th grade class portraying Abraham Lincoln, or the monologue acting I saw at Brigham Young University or Emmeline B. Wells were technically involved in fiction, because they pretended to be the person in question, but they had endevored to speak on verified historically accurate information.John Pack Lambert (talk) 06:50, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

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I think this article has many content gaps, for example there is only one sentence in his personal information. I think that he has become a rising figure in the community and this post is out of date. Some of the references are closely paraphrased but that is mostly because they are direct facts. To improve this article I would add current information and his personal information. Chem2017 (talk) 01:32, 30 August 2016 (UTC)