Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography/Archive 69

Nomination of Portal:Julius Caesar for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether Portal:Julius Caesar is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The page will be discussed at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Julius Caesar until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the page during the discussion, including to improve the page to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the deletion notice from the top of the page. North America1000 11:11, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Daniella van Graas up for deletion
Subject has appeared on many magazine covers and appeared in many mainstream movies and television. 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 11:50, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

May you join this month's editathons from WiR!
--Megalibrarygirl (talk) 16:16, 27 April 2019 (UTC) via MassMessaging

Discussion at Donald Trump - what to put here ?
Looking for some 'biography' inputs....

I have started a discussion at Donald Trump | Had any impact on Trumps life over what could guide "what fits" into the named article and determine what belongs to the Donald Trump article. Most items should go to other articles -- what properties could be looked at to determine if it goes here ?

If you’ve got other good ways to identify proper content for an article about a person, please add to the mix — all measures needed, the question recurs frequently.

Cheers Markbassett (talk) 05:45, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

RuPaul's Drag Race contestant AfDs
Please see the below: Thanks. -- wooden superman  08:53, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/April Carrión (2nd nomination)
 * Articles for deletion/Miz Cracker
 * Articles for deletion/Nina West
 * Articles for deletion/Vivacious (drag queen)

Draft:Sophia Wisniewska
Hello! On behalf of Sophia Wisniewska, I've submitted a draft article about her as part of my work at Beutler Ink. Given my conflict of interest, I do not edit the main space and ask independent editors to review for accuracy, neutrality, and verifiability. Wisniewska's work as a university administrator is a public role, and she's received coverage for that (both in terms of accomplishments and also critical coverage from her time at the University of South Florida St. Petersburg). I'm happy to address any questions or concerns that may arise during the review process. Thanks in advance for any feedback. Inkian Jason (talk) 21:38, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

Help with a Biography on John David Hall
Draft:John_David_Hall is known for his work in Autism Advocacy and for his Nonprofit "Neuroguides". Could I get some help writing the Bio, here are a few resources on him.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/jdavidhall/ https://www.autismparentingmagazine.com/author/j-davidhall/ https://lifeguidesforautism.com/ https://theaspergian.com/2019/04/26/neurodivergent-rebel-on-neurodiversity/ https://www.mbcaustin.org/Sys/PublicProfile/38878678 http://aspergermiracles.com/disability-speaker/speaker-for-parents-raising-a-child-with-autism/ https://www.reddit.com/r/aspergers/comments/9ookuv/my_autistic_family_they_arent_diseased_they_are/

- Nolan Perry Yell at me! 01:58, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of Portal:Donald Trump for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether Portal:Donald Trump is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The page will be discussed at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Donald Trump until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the page during the discussion, including to improve the page to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the deletion notice from the top of the page. North America1000 11:13, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

ATTN. EDITORS -RE: Dwight D. Eisenhower - Semi-Protected Edit Request for a link to cultural diplomacy during the Cold War (1953-1962).
Hello Fellow Wikipedian Editors: Just a quick note to let you know that a Semi-Protected Edit Request has been posted on the Talk Page on the article Dwight D. Eisenhower to include a reference for his utilization of cultural diplomacy during the Cold War (1953-1962) in an effort to strengthen diplomatic relations between Europe and the United States. (See here: Talk:Dwight D. Eisenhower). Perhaps when an Editor has some extra time the requested edit can be reviewed and possibly incorporated into the article. Many thanks in advance for your kind consideration and best wished for your continued success with the WikiProject Biography. With best regards 104.207.219.150 (talk) 18:41, 5 May 2019 (UTC)PS

Featured article review: Albert Kesselring
I have nominated Albert Kesselring for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. --K.e.coffman (talk) 02:13, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Draft:Billy Starr
Hi all! I've created a draft article about Billy Starr – founder of the Pan-Mass Challenge – that's been in the AfC queue for nearly three months. I have a COI – I work with the Pan-Mass Challenge – so I'd like a second set of eyes on the article before it's published. If anyone here is up for taking a look, I'd appreciate it so much. Thank you! Mary Gaulke (talk) 02:53, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Notification of Deletion Discussion
WP:WikiProject Men is currently up for deletion at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Men.StudiesWorld (talk) 09:54, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Stefan Michnik
Hi. There's a problem since user has deleted some important information about Stefan Michnik's biography, namely his crimes against Polish anti-communists. He did that claiming that the given source wasn't suitable but when I provided an official publication about it, he still reverted that claiming that it's not good enough. Tashi  Talk to me  20:06, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Note subject has not been convicted, and lives in Sweden since 1968. To be clear, the suggested sources are the far-right Nasz Dziennik newspaper, and a book by Jerzy Robert Nowak who is known for his discourse on masons and Jews. Neither of those are remotely appropriate for this topic area, in particular not a BLP.Icewhiz (talk) 20:15, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Is Interia.pl also far-right because you can find it on it as well — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tashi (talk • contribs)
 * I'm not aware of its political leanings (either way), however the piece has no author and the site is a "popular spam redirector" since users can post content. I don't think it would be a good source for a BLP. Icewhiz (talk) 08:38, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

June events with WIR
--Megalibrarygirl (talk) 17:41, 22 May 2019 (UTC) via MassMessaging

Good article reassessment: Hans-Joachim Marseille
Hans-Joachim Marseille, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. --K.e.coffman (talk) 23:20, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of Portal:Adele for deletion (2nd nomination)
A discussion is taking place as to whether Portal:Adele is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The page will be discussed at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Adele (2nd nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the page during the discussion, including to improve the page to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the deletion notice from the top of the page. North America1000 01:00, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

Good article nomination for Tracy Lawrence
I nominated Tracy Lawrence for good article nomination back in November and it still hasn't been touched by anyone. Would anyone be interested in reviewing it? Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 20:04, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Shane O'Neill (son of Conn) listed at Requested moves
A requested move discussion has been initiated for Shane O'Neill (son of Conn) (the 16th-century Irish king) to be moved to Shane O'Neill, with the latter moving to. This page is of interest to this WikiProject and interested members may want to participate in the discussion at Talk:Shane O'Neill (son of Conn). --Scolaire (talk) 17:50, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Draft entry for Antonio Neri
Hi, I'm Andrada and I work for Hewlett Packard Enterprise (HPE). I've made an account to suggest improvements to articles related to the company, and I've disclosed my conflict of interest as required. I've saved a draft entry for the President and CEO at Draft:Antonio Neri (businessman). I'm looking for editors who can review and move the draft, presumably to Antonio Neri (businessman) since there's already a page for Antonio Neri. Thank you. AMorar HPE (talk) 21:53, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Thank you for being honest about your conflict of interest. Please also keep in mind that if you've been paid to edit Wikipedia, you must disclose this.  You can submit the draft for review normally.  There's a long backlog, though.  See Articles for creation for more details on the draft process. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 03:31, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Notice of discussion about Jemima Wilkinson
Hello, a discussion is taking place at Talk:Jemima Wilkinson. As the article has < 30 watchers, I am notifying this and other wikiprojects which may have an interest. -sche (talk) 22:34, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Notice of RfC
FYI. RfC available for comment:
 * Talk:Fabiana_Rosales

This is related to the biography of a woman who is involved in Venezuelan politics. --David Tornheim (talk) 23:39, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of Portal:Charles Dickens for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether Portal:Charles Dickens is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The page will be discussed at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Charles Dickens until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the page during the discussion, including to improve the page to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the deletion notice from the top of the page. North America1000 02:55, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Kelly Gould up for deletion

 * Child star who is subject to a notability challenges. Shouild she always be notable? Are there sources where there is more than a passing mention of the subject?  7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 21:12, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Child star who is subject to a notability challenges. Shouild she always be notable? Are there sources where there is more than a passing mention of the subject?  7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 21:12, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Child star who is subject to a notability challenges. Shouild she always be notable? Are there sources where there is more than a passing mention of the subject?  7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 21:12, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

"Distinctions", "decorations", "honours", "awards", "recognition" section?
Has terminology of the heading of this section been standardised yet? If it hasn't, why not? PPEMES (talk) 20:50, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Featured article reassessment for Adam Gilchrist
I am concerned that the article Adam Gilchrist does not meet featured article status anymore, and would appreciate discussion and article repairs. Please see here. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 04:05, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

Wikidata external IDs in Wikipedia
Dear Project Members,

I proposed a new template which integrates Wikidata external IDs in Wikipedia to channel in reliable sources as further readings - please weigh in on the idea if you have the time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)?fbclid=IwAR1jjICvpWSSSqYwzT9IsSjMJxfZ7-vLoGjE2U4BB_zPVTg8EJSQ0qylqHQ#A_new_use_for_Wikidata_external_IDs_in_Wikipedia_(template)

Best, Adam Harangozó (talk) 17:26, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

Wikiproject genealogy
I am wondering if anyone here would be interested in helping me revive Wikiproject genealogy, with new goals: improving articles about the study of genealogy, and verifying lists of notable descendants and family histories attached to biographies. See my discussion on Wikiproject genealogy. Anyone want to volunteer or have any suggestions on how to organize this? Tea and crumpets (talk) 16:50, 23 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Relatedly, consider also Template_talk:Ahnentafel request for comments discussion. PPEMES (talk) 17:27, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

July events from Women in Red!
--Megalibrarygirl (talk) 16:39, 25 June 2019 (UTC) via MassMessaging

Requested move
There is a requested move at Talk:Winston Churchill (1940–2010) that would benefit from your opinion. Please come and help.  Paine Ellsworth , ed.  put'r there  23:04, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Theodore Edgar McCarrick RfC
There is an RfC currently open at the Theodore Edgar McCarrick article concerning the possible restoration of three disputed paragraphs that have been removed from the article. I invite interested editors to participate in order to help find a consensus. Display name 99 (talk) 20:33, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Discussion of Refinery29 on the reliable sources noticeboard
There is a discussion on the reliability of Refinery29 for the age of Natalia Dyer on the reliable sources noticeboard. If you're interested, please participate at. —  Newslinger  talk   10:25, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

Solome Bossa duplicates Solomy Balungi Bossa
FYI duplicates -- 70.51.201.106 (talk) 05:27, 16 July 2019 (UTC)

Stanislas de Clermont-Tonnerre
The article about Stanislas de Clermont-Tonnerre says that only his daughter reached adulthood and that she had no children, so there would be no descendants of Stanislas. Nevertheless this is not correct. Stanislas de Clermont-Tonnerre appears in my family tree because his son, Jean Theo, was rescued by the domestic staff of Stanislas during the revolution and was brought to Aachen/Aix-la-Chapelle in Germany where he later married Maria Josepha Wewers and had least two children who both have descendants who are still alive. In case of any further questions please do not hesitate to contact me: elisabeth.breuer@yahoo.de — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.61.217.76 (talk) 22:26, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Harry Hay
Hi, I found some content that seemed wrong on Harry Hay and opened NAMBLA content on Harry Hay. Any interest is appreciated. Gleeanon409 (talk) 12:53, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

chronological presentation of the work of Levin Hulsius
chronological presentation of the work of Levin Hulsius

Transylvaniœ, Moldaviœ et Valachiœ descriptio, 1597. Cœsarum ac LXIV ipsorum uxorum ac parentum effigies ex antiquis numismatibus, Francfort, 1596. Dictionnaire françois allemand et allemand françois, 1602. Series numismatum imperatorum Rom. a Julio Cœsare ad Rudolphum II, Francfort, 1603. (LA) Tractatus instrumentorum mechanicorum. 1, Francofurti ad Moenum, Wolfgang Richter, Levin Hulsius, 1605. (LA) Tractatus instrumentorum mechanicorum. 2, Francofurti ad Moenum, Wolfgang Richter, Levin Hulsius, 1605. (LA) Tractatus instrumentorum mechanicorum. 3, Francofurti ad Moenum, Wolfgang Richter, Levin Hulsius, 1605. Chronologia Hungaria, etc., usque ad annum 1597. De la usu quadrati et quadratis geometrici, & c.

--Kiss de Băbeni (talk) 11:24, 3 August 2019 (UTC) --Kiss de Băbeni (talk) 11:24, 3 August 2019 (UTC) --Kiss de Băbeni (talk) 11:24, 3 August 2019 (UTC) --Kiss de Băbeni (talk) 11:24, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

GAR
I have nominated The Shirelles for a Good article reassessment, which you may see here. Please participate if so desired. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 00:22, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Changing Infobox photo
Please help me with Changing an old photo on Infobox. I have a photo with no copyright I'd like to place up with the photographers full permission which I can provide if wished. I'd like to credit him wit taking the photo. How do I do this. I'm really stuck and I keep getting a message that I'm not allowed to upload anything! I'm getting very confused. Can any one help me please? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Baillon (talk • contribs) 16:23, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi there, in order to upload photos, you must be an autoconfirmed user. That means your account has to be four days old and you must have made at least 10 edits. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:56, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
 * you declared that you took the photograph when you uploaded the File:Gordon_Giltrap.png but above you said somebody else took the picture. You need to make it clear as otherwise the image could be deleted due to copyright concerns. MilborneOne (talk) 17:50, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

I tried hard to upload an image taken by someone else gaining necessary permissions but was unable to do so. I promise that I took the photo which is currently on the site. I can send you a whole page of similar photos I took at the same time if you don’t believe I took it. I give Wikipedia unlimited rights and access to use the photo exactas you wish. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Baillon (talk • contribs) 10:09, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Albert Kesselring
Albert Kesselring] has now reached the voting phase of WP:FAR at Featured article review/Albert Kesselring/archive1. Interested parties are encouraged to drop by. Hawkeye7  (discuss)  19:14, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Tim Andree
Hello, I'm Lucy and I work for Dentsu Aegis Network. As I've noted on my profile page, I created an account to represent the company and propose changes to related articles. I'd like to start by sharing a draft article about Tim Andree for editors to review. Tim is an executive at Dentsu, but was first notable for his professional basketball career. His name is linked at Dentsu Aegis Network, 1983–84 Chicago Bulls season, and Chicago Bulls draft history. Will someone from WikiProject Biography review the draft to make sure he meets criteria, then take it live? I'm confident he is eligible but prefer other editors to review first, given my conflict of interest. Thank you! LH Dentsu (talk) 16:16, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
 * You should try submitting it; see So you made a userspace draft for some help, advice, and links to tutorials. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 03:56, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Discussions of interest
There are a number of discussions on Talk:James Martin (priest, born 1960) which may be of interest to the members of this group, in particular this RfC. Beyond My Ken (talk) 13:56, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Gabriel-Michel de Vassan
Please, can you create this page. More information are here: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13. Thank you very much. --87.2.63.83 09:39, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Perhaps to get a few members to comment on "greatest of all-time" in leads.
There is an RFC going on at Tennis Project about adding greatest of all-time to tennis article leads. The project has kept the subjectivity out of leads for awhile, but some have expressed an interest to re-add the terms (as they just did to Roger Federer. This will affect dozens to a hundred article leads, and it's a bit sticky, so perhaps a few experts from outside just sports could give their wisdom. Thanks. Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:49, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

Up for deletion Andy Auld (pilot)
I've improved sources, but more always helps. Important Falklands War squadron commander and successful pilot. <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 11:54, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

Close connection tag at James D. Zirin
I'm Jim, the subject of the James D. Zirin Wikipedia article. In the past I've had some difficulty making and suggesting improvements to the page, but my understanding of Wikipedia's guidelines was fairly limited and I've since learned I shouldn't edit the article directly. I'm now trying to work with other editors to discuss and make changes for me, specifically with removal of the "close connection" tag.

In June, one editor has said they "don't have any philosophical opposition to removal of the Close Contributor template if someone discovers that the article is now in a reasonable shape…". I've asked for assistance at Talk:James_D._Zirin as well as the conflict of interest noticeboard with no luck. I'm hoping someone who watches this page might be willing to take a look at the article's text and either remove the tag if there are no major concerns, or share which text is problematic so I can take appropriate steps to address. Thanks for any help. Jim Zirin (talk) 22:03, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

How do I join a WikiProject
I joined Wikipedia as a user a little more than a week ago, and I've been wondering how to join a WikiProject. I wish to join this one for now, I'd be glad to contribute any more to biographies if I can — Preceding unsigned comment added by Portughetti (talk • contribs) 20:19, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
 * I found out now, sorry about that. Port u ghetti talk 20:58, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

Greetings from Milhist!
Hello, all! I'm here to inquire about the possibility of coordinating a milhist drive in the spring with the Women in Red Wikiproject. The proposal is located here, if you'd like more information. Note that at this time nothing is set in stone, I'm merely attempting to get a feel for how much interest there would be for a spring drive and if there is enough to move forward where should the effort be concentrated since as we all know getting people to work on drive related events is difficult at best :) Drop me a line if you have any questions, and if there is interested from this project's members in a cross project drive we'll keep you informed of the developments (if any) at MILHIST. TomStar81 (Talk) 13:33, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

WikiProject Biography
The pages that alphabetically list the names of those with a biography on Wikipedia are helpfully presented. It’s an important project.

However, the presentation of each of these thousands of pages is flawed, because there is an inadequate explanation of the purpose of each page in the page header.

Visitors who accidentally stumble upon one of these pages may thus assume an incorrect understanding of what they have found.

Generally in WikiPedia, lists are a subset of a whole and have a clear heading in bold type explaining what that subset is and, if more than one page is needed, that explanation is set in the header of all those pages.

So, since an accidental visitor to one of these biography pages will bring this understanding of WikiPedia’s approach to page structure, such a visitor is more likely to assume the list they discover is one of biographies of a sub-group (perhaps biographies of birdwatchers) in WikiPedia. They are less likely to assume each page is a part of a list of every biography in WikiPedia.

So, as there is no descriptive heading, the reader of these pages is more likely to think the name of the subset has been erroneously omitted - ‘birdwatchers’ in my example - than to recognise it is in fact the list of all names in this important project.

It should be made more clear at the top of each page what is being displayed.

What’s missing is a succinct explanation stating what the list represents.

As space is at a premium, perhaps the description of the number of pages (>12,000) is less important. After all, if replaced by a brief explanation, then the proportion of visitors that would recognise that there would be many pages is larger than the proportion whi immediately understand that this is a list of all biographies in EikiPedia. Coolcmsc 23:25, 1 September 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Coolcmsc (talk • contribs)

Apologies for the typos in the final sentence.... Coolcmsc 23:28, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

Apologies for the typos in the final sentence.... Coolcmsc 23:29, 1 September 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Coolcmsc (talk • contribs)

Asking for help
Hi, I have an article waiting for a review since April 2019 Draft:Onur Genç. Please, can you help me with some feedback?. I would like to know if the submission is accepted.

Thanks in advance. Comrb (talk) 10:25, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
 * unfortunately our draft submission backlogs are now several months long. One of the downsides to being a volunteer-only site is that no-one wants to do the boring stuff. By complete coincidence I happened to come across this draft today and just reviewed it, only seeing your message here afterwards. I have explained my reasons for declining the draft on the draft page. Message me at my talk page if you have any questions. — Bilorv ( talk ) 16:31, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

Brock Blomberg Correction
Hi, I'm Tom and I work for Ursinus College (as I indicate on my profile page and at Talk:Brock Blomberg). I've made an account to suggest changes to articles related to the college, which I'll post to the "talk" pages for editor reviews. For my first request, I offered references for currently unsourced and inaccurate text in Brock_Blomberg. I proposed specific changes at Talk:Brock_Blomberg. Will someone review this request and update the article on my behalf? Thank you! TY Ursinus (talk) 14:50, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Patrick Hadley
There's an undated comment on Talk:Patrick Hadley that suggests the biographical details may be a copyright violation. Does anybody know if this has been resolved? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.196.204.131 (talk) 08:48, 7 September 2019 (UTC)