Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography/Archive 71

Thanks
I love Biography so thanks for creating this.... Killershark101

Why is my Grandfather missing?
Quote from Peerage.com " Last Edited=11 Jun 2008    Violet Mabel Fraser is the daughter of Philip Affleck Fraser.1 She married Hon. Robert Francis Carnegie, son of James Carnegie, 9th Earl of Southesk and Lady Susan Catherine Mary Murray, on 26 November 1913.1     From 26 November 1913, her married name became Carnegie.1 Children of Violet Mabel Fraser and Hon. Robert Francis Carnegie David James Carnegie1 b. 4 Jul 1915, d. 7 Feb 1994 Robert Murray Carnegie+1 b. 3 Jul 1917, d. 18 Dec 1954 John Fraser Carnegie+1 b. 4 Sep 1922, d. 6 Aug 2011

Robert Murray Carnegie was actually assassinated on 19th December 1954. While recovering from minor injuries following a crash of a sabotaged light aircraft. The heater coil to the carburettor was disconnected, so as to cause a stall, while delivering the post. His assassin confessed to me directly. at a BBQ circa 1966/67. He was in floods of tears! so was my Mother killed on the 9th December 1954. ten days earlier. My Father was serving as a Colonial Police Sergeant. Sack loads of Severed hands were being handed in to claim the one Acre of Prime Coffee Plantation Land, confiscated from The Kikuyu Tribe. The Mau Mau Terrorism was perpetrated by Hired Criminals. and had little or nothing to do with the Kikuyu Tribe. and a hell of a lot to do with the pre planned evacuation of Jews who had settled in Palestine. The Soviet Union were prepared to help remove all Jews from Palestine. My Cousin was Chief Foreign Office Secretary for The Palestinian Protectorate. My Assassinated Father was matching the severed hands to Birth Certificate Full Hand Prints. NONE of the hands were from known Terrorists. and most were from tribes other than kikuyu. My Mother had to be killed, and also my Father to keep them quiet. FOR GOOD!

My Father's elder Brother, David James Carnegie, obtained a M>A. in Cinematography, from The Royal College of Art. London, and Became British Pathe News Cinematographer for East Africa. Mu Uncle David was fluent in almost every Kenyan Native Language, and was great friends with Jomo Kenyatta. My Father was also Bodyguard to His Excellency Emperor Haile Selassie.. When Jomo Kenyatta mentioned that I was on holiday at the coast, in the Beach House next to President Jomo Kenyatta. His Excellency The Emperor made an immediate Impromptu State Visit to Kenya, just to meet me in person.

It is little wonder my Grandfather's name has been CENSORED and discarded down the BLACK MEMORY HOLE! ... THE FEAR IS VERY WELL JUSTIFIED! JUSTICE DELAYED MAY BECOME JUSTICE WITH A VERY HEAVY HAND? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.129.112.98 (talk) 12:22, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Peerage.com is not a very good source, but your grandfather and his descendants are shown in some detail in the most recent (2003) and more auhtoritative 107th edition of Burke's Peerage, vol. 1, pages 1425-1429, under "Fife, Chief of Carnegie", so they are certainly not lost in memory's black hole! AnthonyCamp (talk) 08:37, 10 September 2019 (UTC).

Jake D`Arcy Scottish Actor
I can confirm that Jake D`Arcy -Scottish Actor, was a friend and work colleague of mine prior to his acting career. I knew him as John Sinclair "Sinkie" and we were apprentices at Harland & Wolff Ltd in Glasgow in the 1960s. John and I became time-served Mechanical Fitters and John left engineering almost immediately to go to drama college. He was "into acting" for as long as I knew him during his engineering days. At that time he lived in the Castlemilk area of Glasgow. He also "rubbed shoulders" with the great Billy Connolly who was in the engineering/shipbuilding days in the 1960s on Clydeside.

I can also confirm that I attended Jake/John`s funeral in 2015 at Lambhill Crematorium in Glasgow, where I believe I was the only non-showbusiness mourner at the funeral. Many of the cast of "Still Game" and other actors that I recognised at the funeral. The funeral words about John did mention that he had originally started out as an engineer with Harland & Wolff Ltd on Clydeside. With John Sinclair having been a great friend from the past and knowing how good a person he was, I felt I had to travel up from my home in England to attend this sad event and I had the time and will to do so, as I am now a retired engineer. Frank Watson — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flying Keo (talk • contribs) 15:58, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

участник стерт в Борисов РКЦ рсдрп Венецианским КрЭст Ом — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.125.53.57 (talk) 12:59, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

RFC: Merging CoreBios into Vital Articles project?
An RfC on this topic has been started. It can be found [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biography/Core_biographies#RFC:_Subpage_of_Vital_Article_project? here] p  b  p  00:02, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Birth date confusion
John Penn (North Carolina politician) was a signatory to the United States Declaration of Independence. Penn's DoB is unclear. I'm hoping someone would be able to find a reference to clarify that date, and whether that date is old style or new style. Please see Talk:John Penn (North Carolina politician). Johnuniq (talk) 07:36, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

TfD notification
2 templates used by this project, Template:BLP and Template:BLPO, are being considered for either, deletion or merging. In case you had not noticed before, you can join to the relevant discussion. © Tb hotch ™ (en-2.5). 22:48, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

Now recruiting
I'm looking for participants for a possible new wikiproject H. P. Lovecraft, to tag and improve articles relating to the horror writer.-- Auric   talk  09:50, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

A noob seeking guidance
I'm interested in writing biographies but I need beginner advice. I'm quite overwhelmed on the amount of sources on particular topics and need advice on how to filter through and find the most key and relevant information, compile it, and write Good Articles as quickly and efficiently as possible. Has anyone written any essays to help?

Some background, I come from WikiProject Video Games where I've written over 50 Good Articles. Overall, I've got the video game article writing down to a science so I've been able to output articles like a machine. I know the article format well, and I know which sources to use, where to track them down, and what information is relevant. I find it difficult to retain and verify content already existing in the article when I start, so I always opt to rewrite the whole article instead.

When I look at Biographies, the sheer amount of sources available intimidates me. Say for example, I want to rewrite Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis. Even if I just stick to high quality text sources, the amount of books written about her is just insane. I can't conceivably read every book and take notes. What if I miss something important? What approach do you all use when you write articles from top to bottom? TarkusAB talk / contrib 22:53, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I generally prefer to work on less prominent topics than that. However, once someone becomes famous enough, you can start looking for tertiary sources that identify the major topics discussed by secondary sources.  You can then summarize what that source says and expand on it with secondary sources. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 04:15, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Interesting take, thank you. TarkusAB talk / contrib 13:31, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Kathleen Murphy Article
Hi, my name is Meghan and I would like to help fix the Kathleen Murphy article by making it more neutral and fully sourced. It should be known that I am employed by Fidelity Investments, so I have a financial conflict of interest. I have familiarized myself with the rules surrounding this circumstance and will always state my conflict of interest, never edit articles directly where I have a COI, and post only to Talk pages. I have good intentions and want to make fair, neutral edits to the article.

My original post on the Kathleen Murphy Talk page is called "Improved Professional career section". Are there editors here that will please take a look at my request? Have feedback? Let's talk! Thank you. FidelityMJ (talk) 12:39, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Request for input on edit dispute: Tressie McMillan Cottom
Hello there. Over at Tressie McMillan Cottom's article Talk page, @Noq and I can't see eye to eye on whether a particular award should be included in the article for Dr. McMillan Cottom. We've hit a stalemate and I'm wondering whether anyone here could weigh in and help nudge our disagreement to an end. I'm also posting this same message at the WikiProject Women Writers talk page and the WikiProject Sociology talk page, each as projects listed at Dr. McMillan Cottom's article's talk page as having an interest in her article. (Edit conflict is new to me, so my apologies if I'm going about this wrong.) Triplingual (talk) 01:55, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

October Events from Women in Red
--Megalibrarygirl (talk) 17:34, 23 September 2019 (UTC) via MassMessaging

Core article list
In case anyone missed it, there is a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography/Core biographies about reviving the stagnant core biographies list and tying it in with Vital articles. Any thoughts welcome! PC78 (talk) 20:02, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Category:Marvel Cinematic Universe actresses ?
Category:Disney voice actors was deleted due to WP:PERFCAT isn't Category:Marvel Cinematic Universe actresses a similar type of category? Govvy (talk) 08:48, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Women in Red's stub contest is starting now
Our three-month stub contest is starting now and will continue until the end of the year. Although there will be no physical prizes, each month (October, November and December) recognition will be given to the winners of two different sections: one for new stubs, the other for enhancing existing stubs to start class and beyond. The contest is open to all registered members of Women in Red. Join in now and help us improve women's biographies on Wikipedia.--Ipigott (talk) 19:39, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Dan Gilbert of Quicken Loans
Hello! My name is Andrea and I am an employee of Quicken Loans. I'd like to suggest some changes to improve the Dan Gilbert article. Because of my conflict of interest as an employee, I will only post suggestions on talk pages. You are welcome to view my specific request here. Will an editor that has an interest in improving this article please take a look and implement as they see fit? Thank you! AndreaQL (talk) 15:45, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
 * You can add your request to a queue by putting requested edit in your talk page request. That should speed up your requests. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 05:50, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Becoming a project member
Hello everyone! I'm new to Wikipedia so sorry if the question is inappropriate, but how do I become a member of your project? What should I do? Thank you!--Less Unless (talk) 12:51, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
 * We're very easy-going around here. If you want to be a member, then you are!  If you want to make it "official", you can optionally add your name our list of members.  Some people include a few of their interests when they do this. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 10:12, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Entitling articles on the death of an individual: when to use "Death of ..." versus "Killing of ..." versus "Homicide of ..."
Title says it all, but here's my basic understanding: "Death of ..." for non-homicide and "Killing of ..." and "Homicide of ..." are interchangeable. That's my guess at least. Is there a policy? Quiddy (talk) 01:25, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Otto of Greece GAR
A Good Article Reassessment proposal has been started at Otto of Greece, an article within this project's scope. All interested editors are invited to participate. Constantine  ✍  17:20, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

Good Article nomination for Mark Chesnutt
Mark Chesnutt has been listed at Good Article Nominations since March and has not attracted any eyeballs. Could I get someone to start a review please? Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 06:11, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Issue on Squash biographies
I have been witnessing a major issue when creating articles about former squash biographies for which I am not unable to find their date of births. SquashInfo is the main website which has a collection of all the squash players like what Cricinfo has a collection about cricketers. SquashInfo usually had the data about the date births of players but as of August 2019, the website stopped displaying the date of birth for current and former players. It may be due to the GDPR which could have restricted SquashInfo to display the date of birth of squash players. Even if we try to create the squash players without their birth dates, will it be okay to do that. Abishe (talk) 13:49, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Honey Davenport
Any project members interested in completing a Good article review? Honey Davenport was nominated for Good article status months ago (thanks for your patience, User:Armadillopteryx!). I'll let others decide if the article's perfect, but I'd say GA criteria are easily met and I've been watching this page being maintained for some time now. Shouldn't be a heavy lift, if someone has time to take a look. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 00:02, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

Germán Valdés
Hi, I want to create the article about Germán Valdés' grandson, but the actor uses his grandfather's name, so I don't know what name he could give the article. I thought about doing something similar to Peyton List, but there is no information about the year he was born.--—  Bradford     (Talk)  00:35, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

Page talks about a renowned Indian Author and Management Expert
As this page talks about a renowned Indian author and management expert with worldwide reach, the page need to be enriched and placed as verified content.

There are several ways to varify credentials for the page including google search, in addition to search in images and Videos.

The author is involved in worldwide research and training, the page must be placed under varified category as earlier. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LeonardoV2019 (talk • contribs) 09:13, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

Request for information on WP1.0 web tool
Hello and greetings from the maintainers of the WP 1.0 Bot! As you may or may not know, we are currently involved in an overhaul of the bot, in order to make it more modern and maintainable. As part of this process, we will be rewriting the web tool that is part of the project. You might have noticed this tool if you click through the links on the project assessment summary tables.

We'd like to collect information on how the current tool is used by....you! How do you yourself and the other maintainers of your project use the web tool? Which of its features do you need? How frequently do you use these features? And what features is the tool missing that would be useful to you? We have collected all of these questions at this Google form where you can leave your response. Walkerma (talk) 04:24, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Automatic biography short descriptions
There is a discussion that may concern members of the project at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Short descriptions. --Trialpears (talk) 19:31, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

Requested move
Greetings! I have recently relisted a requested move discussion at Talk:Mikha'il Na'ima, regarding a page relating to this WikiProject. Discussion and opinions are invited. Thanks, comrade waddie96 ★ (talk) 09:45, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

Llywelyn ap Madog link
Kfred76179 (talk) 21:57, 6 November 2019 (UTC) When clicking on the link that SAYS Llywelyn ap Madog ( - 1191), one is sent to Llywelyn ap Madog (Dean of St Asaph) (Bishop of St Asaph) who died in 1375. A correct link needs to be created. But since I am new to this, I don't know how to fix this problem.

I don't know where to put Kfred76179 (talk) 21:57, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

KSI or Olatunji
From reading WP:NCP, and more specifically, WP:NICKNAME, I believe the article KSI (entertainer) should refer to him throughout as 'KSI'. A user changed all instances of 'Olatunji', his surname, to 'KSI', another user reverted the change and cited WP:NCP for doing so. I reverted that edit and cited WP:NCP and WP:NICKNAME; "The name used most often to refer to a person in reliable sources", as the overwhelming majority of sources refer to him as 'KSI'. The user reverted my edit and claimed that the majority of sources refer to him as 'Olatunji'. I opened a discussion on the article's talk page to avoid engaging in an edit war but no replies. I’ve decided to bring this up here hoping more experienced editors could provide some consensus. Thanks. — 2 . O . Boxing  15:23, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

RfC on shortening officeholder infoboxes by collapsing sections
The discussion maybe be found here as to whether we should modify the template to allow sections to be collapsed to reduce the length of some infoboxes.  Ergo Sum  02:58, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

December events with WIR
--Megalibrarygirl (talk) 18:42, 25 November 2019 (UTC) via MassMessaging

Renaming article
Hello, I was trying to find more information on Benasing Macarambon and it turned out he is referred to as Benasing Macarambon, Jr. (here for instance)and there is more info online then there is in the article. But according to what I found it's the same person. My question would be - should the article be renamed? --Less Unless (talk) 22:52, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Rfc on James Martin (priest, born 1960)
There is an open RfC at Talk:James_Martin_(priest,_born_1960) that may be of interest to this community. --PluniaZ (talk) 21:54, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Mikel Harry
My changes in "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikel_Harry" were reverted! I would like to correct some errors and updated the Mikel Harry wikipage. Can I do it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lorenzo.vero (talk • contribs) 12:33, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Reply: A discussion on editing article content is generally handled on the article talk page, with notification here to possibly attract attention, with the goal of keeping discussions at a central location. Otr500 (talk) 09:22, 10 December 2019 (UTC) (please sign comments)

Frederick Alexander (cricketer)
There are comments at Talk:Frederick Alexander (cricketer) concerning notability. Otr500 (talk) 09:39, 10 December 2019 (UTC)

Walter Mebane
The author Walter Mebane, publishes non-peer-reviewed theses about important elections, like the 2009 Iranian elections or the recent 2019 Bolivian elections that are cited in the respective pages. The Wikipedia article is a stub, I wonder if it is notable enough. Could anybody confirm its notability or indicate a better WikiProject that could give a more precise answer?--MaoGo (talk) 09:31, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

New bot to remove completed infobox requests
Hello! I have recently created a bot to remove completed infobox requests and am sending this message to WikiProject Biography since the project currently has a backlogged infobox request category. Details about the task can be found at Bots/Requests for approval/PearBOT 2, but in short it removes all infobox requests from articles with an infobox, once a week. To sign up, reply with and tell me if any special considerations are required for the Wikiproject. For example: if only a specific infobox should be detected, such as infobox journal for WikiProject Academic Journals; or if an irregularly named infobox such as starbox begin should be detected. Feel free to ask if you have any questions!

Sent on behalf of Trialpears (talk) via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 02:34, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Phillip Taylor Kramer
In regards to the comment "... The latter related to his father Ray's long-running family effort to discredit Albert Einstein's theories."

It would be more accurate to say that Taylor and his dad Ray were looking to fill some holes in Einsteins' work. The general consensus among the three of us was that we thought Einstein's theories were 'incomplete'. So we were looking to fill that in some.

Ray had a five part theory that he and Taylor were corresponding by letter between Los Angeles and Ohio. Taylor and I spent some long nights in coffee shops going over the 3rd part of Ray's theory (December 1978). Taylor and I were room mates back then and part of an Iron Butterfly spin-off band back then.

Correspond: Partev B. Sarkissian dark_star@ieee.org — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.43.240.154 (talk) 02:55, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Hatnote for Isaac Asimov's pseudonym
Hi, please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disambiguation and comment there. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 10:10, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

Ann Brewes

 * Roger Townsend 1430-1493 and his son Roger Townsend 1477-1552 are listed as being married to the same woman, Ann Brewes of Stinton Hall at Salle who lived until 1493.

Could someone please look at Roger Townsend 1430 - 1493 and his son Roger. The pages have both of them married to the same woman, Ann Brewes. Please correct. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:588:100:7420:C578:B9D5:7E09:A3A3 (talk) 16:35, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

The father's page says that Ann is the mother of his twelve children and that Eleanor Lunsford was his second wife, no issue. When you go to the son's page, it says that Eleanor Lunsford is his mother, and that HE is married to Ann Brewes, which directly contradicts the father's page. Would appreciate some help in clarifying the facts. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lovehistory269 (talk • contribs) 18:14, 28 December 2019 (UTC)


 * Just to help Townsend 1430 is Roger Townshend (judge) and I presume the other is Roger Townshend (died 1551). MilborneOne (talk) 23:07, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

Horace Webster
Hi, coming across this file, I was wondering if it is Horace Webster. If positive, the image could be added to the article. Thank you for your time. Lotje (talk) 13:36, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

Talk: Tracy Sugarman
According to an interview with Tracy Sugarman in the documentary "Freedom Summer", Mr. Summer and his wife June participated in the voter registration efforts in Mississippi during the summer of 1964. His interview is 5-minutes into the documentary.

Abiquaed (talk) 18:24, 30 December 2019 (UTC)Ed Fredrickson

Article issues
There are comments at Talk:Jane Addams that may be of interest to some members. Otr500 (talk) 16:03, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Pieter Omtzigt
Someone posted that politican Pieter Omtzigt paid for fake evidence; it was later removed, as being a bad source and unfounded claim: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pieter_Omtzigt&diff=926295857&oldid=923300623

The same claim appears in Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, with a different source.

Thoughts? I have zero interest in the topics, but he's just done an interview about a "hack" to his profile. -- Zanimum (talk) 20:18, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Proposed merger/deletion of Jan Pol (veterinarian) and The Incredible Dr. Pol
Needs more sources. Notability, independent of the show? The Incredible Dr. Pol Impending AFD or Merger. Merger discussion. 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 17:07, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Request for Lee Fixel
Hello! I've submitted a request to update the Early life and education section of the Lee Fixel article as part of my work with Beutler Ink. You can view my full request here, which seeks to improve flow and fix a few inaccurate details. Will someone please review this request? Given my COI, I'm asking independent editors to confirm accuracy, neutrality, and verifiability. I'm happy to address any questions or concerns. Thanks in advance! Inkian Jason (talk) 23:50, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

WikiProject History needs people
Hi everyone. I am the new coordinator for WikiProject History. we need people there!! right now the project seems to be semi-inactive. I am going to various WikiProjects whose topics overlap with ours, to request volunteers.


 * If you have any experience at all with standard WikiProject processes such as quality assessment, article help, asking questions, feel free to come by and get involved.


 * and if you have NO Experience, but just want to come by and get involved, feel free to do so!!!


 * For anyone who wants to get involved, please come by and add your name at our talk page, at our talk page section: WikiProject History needs you!!!!


 * Alternately, if you have any interest at all, feel free to reply right here, on this talk page. please ping me when you do so, by typing in your reply.

we welcome your input. thanks!! --Sm8900 (talk) 20:43, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Seeming vandalism on article Omer Tarin BLP
Hello I wonder if any of he editors can help or guide me. I have been editing some articles here for some time, on Wikipedia and in particular I have an interest in South Asian and Pakistani articles, historical and literary. There are a large number of people editing most of these articles and I have never had much trouble before, but now there seems to be a user called 'Azmarai76' who seems to be vandalising or deliberately/negatively attacking one particular article about Pakistani poet-mystic Omer Tarin. Please see the recent history of this article and also the talk page. I dont know, does this editor have a personal grudge against author/writer? He has been rather insulting to me too, personally, whenever I have tried to point out how to edit Wikipedia pages and so on. What should I do please? I dont want to ask the admins to lock this page as it's open to positive editing and it is a shame that some pages are facing such issues. Guidance and help by more experienced editors would be much appreciated thanks. AsadUK200 (talk) 21:10, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Don't worry fix the issues and noone has any issues with it. Just don't keep whining I can see you have already corrected the tone of the articles. Don't keep mentioning me it's a thousand more who are complaining about pages like Abdus Salim Khan, Mehmooda Salim Khan, Talokar Village, Hayat Muhammad Khan, Omer Tareen and many more. We don't have any animosity with anyone just correct or rephrase the text the way I have done on Tareen main page, it's a shame for me also when I see unverifiable sources and dead links on these pages and cannt even find anything myself to make necessary changes. Noone want to undermine you but these need to be fixed as these people are from KP and such things aren't much appreciated here. Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 15:46, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Creating a net worth category for people below $1 billion USD
I'm looking to create a category encompassing people of high net worth, however categories for millionaires like Category:American_millionaires has been CfD'd at least twice. Certainly wealth, which has already been declared a defining trait considering the existence of Category:American billionaires. So what should be done?--Prisencolin (talk) 00:59, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Opinions having Europeana in Authority template
please comment see Village_pump_(proposals) - Salgo60 (talk) 18:56, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

John McHugh Sr. up for deletion

 * WW II veteran. Notability is questioned, so additional sources could help.  7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 14:42, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Why is this part of the main page? Ammar M. Elbehery (talk) 18:08, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * User:Ammar M. Elbehery You are right. Moved to talk page.  My mistake.  Sorry.  7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 18:13, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * User:Ammar M. Elbehery You are right. Moved to talk page.  My mistake.  Sorry.  7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 18:13, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

February with Women in Red
--Megalibrarygirl (talk) 19:30, 28 January 2020 (UTC) via MassMessaging

More input needed at RfC on infobox birthplace/nationality/citizenship
Please see Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Infoboxes.

This RfC has been running for a while but input has dropped off, and right now it's about an even split between the guidelines a) saying nothing at all about the matter, or b) saying to avoid putting the same country in two or three infobox parameters (the other options in the RfC have attracted nearly no support). It's not going to be a useful outcome (just another RfC again some time later) if this closes with "no consensus", so this tie needs to be broken – with good reasoning, not with WP:JUSTAVOTE of course. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  03:48, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Homero Alsina Thevenet


The article Homero Alsina Thevenet has been proposed for deletion because it appears to have no references. Under Wikipedia policy, this biography of a living person will be deleted after seven days unless it has at least one reference to a reliable source that directly supports material in the article.

If you created the article, please don't be offended. Instead, consider improving the article. For help on inserting references, see Referencing for beginners, or ask at the help desk. Once you have provided at least one reliable source, you may remove the prod blp/dated tag. Please do not remove the tag unless the article is sourced. If you cannot provide such a source within seven days, the article may be deleted, but you can when you are ready to add one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Minecrafter0271 (talk • contribs) 04:04, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Ongoing move discussions about Indian singers
Move discussions regarding the articles about two Indian singers are going on at: Those interested may have a look. Thanks.  Oracle  of   Delhi  13:49, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Talk:Minoo Purushottam
 * Talk:Parveen Sultana
 * Talk:Kavita Krishnamurthy

Proposed deletion of Hubert Lefèbvre


The article Hubert Lefèbvre has been proposed for deletion because it appears to have no references. Under Wikipedia policy, this biography of a living person will be deleted after seven days unless it has at least one reference to a reliable source that directly supports material in the article.

If you created the article, please don't be offended. Instead, consider improving the article. For help on inserting references, see Referencing for beginners, or ask at the help desk. Once you have provided at least one reliable source, you may remove the prod blp/dated tag. Please do not remove the tag unless the article is sourced. If you cannot provide such a source within seven days, the article may be deleted, but you can when you are ready to add one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Minecrafter0271 (talk • contribs) 22:33, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Australian women journalists
Editors interested in biographical articles are invited to comment at Category talk:Australian women journalists on the categorisation of journalists. Mitch Ames (talk) 05:25, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

Article issues
There is a discussion at Talk:Alex Chilton that might be of interest to members of this project. Otr500 (talk) 10:15, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

Marie De Becker
Hi, coming across this photo, I was wondering if someone can confirm this is Marie (Kate) De Becker. If correct, the image could be added to the infobox of the article and to the wikidata-link. Thank you for your time. Lotje (talk) 16:30, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

Idea for new community workspace
Hi. I would like to create some kind of collaborative workspace where coordinators or members of various WikiProjects would gather and provide updates and information on what is going on at each wikiproject, i.e. regarding their latest efforts, projects, and where interested editors can get involved. For those of you at this very active WikiProject, your input would be very helpful, so I wanted to get your input on whether you'd be interested in helping me to make this happen.

we are discussing this proposal right now at:

* Village pump (proposals)

Please feel free to let me know what you think of this idea, and please let me know your preference, regarding the options below. if you do not see any need for this idea, that is totally fine. However, I think that the majority of editors lack awareness of where the truly active editing is taking place and at which WikiProjects, and I would like to do whatever I can to help make people more aware of where the activity is, what they can do to help, and also which areas of Wikipedia offer ideas and efforts that might help them in their own editing activities. Please feel free to let me know.


 * Would you be interested in an idea of this nature?
 * If so, which option below seems most feasible to you?
 * Create a new page/talk page at the existing WikiProject Council, where members of various WikiProject can gather to offer updates, information and ideas on the latest efforts at each of their own WikiProject, such as WikiProject Council/Town Hall.
 * Create an entirely new WikiProject with an inclusive name such as
 * WIkiProject Town Hall,
 * WikiProject Bulletin Board,
 * WikiProject Water Cooler
 * Create a new collaborative page or forum, but not as a new WIkiProject, i.e. with some name like
 * Town Hall or
 * Water Cooler
 * Create a new sub-page in my own userspace, such as User:Sm8900/Town Hall
 * Create a subpage at an umbrella-type WikiProject that already covers a broad topical area, such as WikiProject History/Town Hall

thanks. --Sm8900 (talk) 19:05, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Kelly Rohrbach image
Hi! Is anyone from this project able to review my request to update photos at Kelly Rohrbach? Because of my Conflict of interest, I will not direct edit the page. Thanks, Kt2011 (Talk &middot; COI:Walton family) 14:33, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

Peter Handke
Sorry if this isn't the right place to ask, but I've seen a few minor editing conflicts over this twice in the past few days, and I'll use this as an example.

Article subject was born in a city in what is now Austria, but was born in 1942 after the Anschluss. So - what country should be listed in the biography as the birth country? Austria? Nazi-Occupied Austria? Germany?

The other case was about Daniel Kahneman who was born in Tel Aviv, now in Israel but at the time of his birth was Mandatory Palestine.

I've always gone by "whatever country the city was in at the time of birth" but is there a guideline, and where? --Mr. Vernon (talk) 05:40, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

Parents of Merrick Ezra Carn
I am a direct descendant of Johann Ludwig Kern, AKA Lewis J. Carn, the grandfather of Merrick Ezra Carn. In searching my family history it does not appear Thomas John Carn is the father of Merrick Ezra Carn, Thomas John Carn died in the summer of 1807 and Merrick Ezra was born in August of 1808. My research suggest that Merrick Ezra Carn is more likely the son of John Frederick Carn. The Orangeburgh German-Swiss Genealogical Society also suggest that Daniel Carn is the father of Merrick Ezra. John Frederick and Daniel are brothers of John Thomas Carn. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.73.16.182 (talk) 13:44, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello. Do you have any sources to back your findings? We can changed the information only if it is supported by reliable independent sources. Please take a look at WP:TRUTH. --Less Unless (talk) 09:34, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Updates for Charlie Ergen
Hello, my name is Caroline. As an employee of DISH (as disclosed on my profile page as well as the article's talk page), I have suggested improvements and updates to the infobox at the biography article for Charlie Ergen, chairman of DISH Network and EchoStar. You can see the request at Talk:Charlie_Ergen. I was hoping editors here interested in biography articles might be able to assist with these updates. Thanks in advance for any help. CK-DISH (talk) 17:42, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Requested changes have been made, except capitalization change. -- Yae4 (talk) 19:17, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Stephen Yafa independent opinions?
New BLP Draft:Stephen Yafa has been criticized as "garden variety resume padding" and another editor says there should be a published biography about their life, or appearances on CBS Sunday Morning or 60 minutes or similar, to be notable. I'm looking for independent opinions on the draft. Referencing WP:AUTHOR item 1) Stephen Yafa is widely cited by other authors (Reference G Scholar search). Is there a guideline for how many citations it takes to be "notable?" In addition, regarding Item 3) before writing well known books and articles, Yafa was screenwriter or co-screenwriter for two movies major enough to be in Wikipedia, and have NY Times and Variety reviews. Isn't this enough notability for an article? -- Yae4 (talk) 20:34, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
 * FYI, Page has been moved to article, but answers on standards question, or article improvements, are always welcomed. -- Yae4 (talk) 19:20, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Request for contributions to Death of Elliott Williams
Hello, I've been working on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Elliott_Williams intermittently and was wondering if others might be interested in pitching in. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paxperscientiam (talk • contribs) 22:43, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

John Tiedtke up for deletion
Putative lack of notability. The article should be examined in that light. <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 13:03, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Need a piece of advice
I have found Isabel Marant's name among red links. She is a famous fashion designer, definitely notable. There's a page for her eponymous fashion brand - Isabel Marant. I was wondering should I create a separate page for her biography (Isabel Marant (designer)) or add it to the brands page? If it's the latter - should the article be renamed? Thank you in advance! --Less Unless (talk) 15:04, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Notification: nomination of Pierre Le Gros the Younger as featured article candidate
Since the talk page of the article states that Le Gros is of interest to this group, I just wanted to let you know that I nominated it as a featured article candidate. It would be interesting to see what members of this group think about it. Thanks Gerbis (talk) 15:43, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

If someone has the wearwithal...
...because I don't (nor the time!). I came across a member of the Category:De Salis family in the usual course of my bishops editing. It didn't take long to see that every biography related to this family suffers from a large number of obvious issues (the root cause of them all probably being that their main editor is a descendant!). If anyone fancies a bit of a project, here it is! DBD 22:34, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Need help in creating a biography
I want to write a bio of Muriel Sharon and I need help. I have started the bio in my sandbox. I will be added more to the bio shortly. I'm at an Edit-a-thon and I need more specific guidance. Thank you.Meggzy (talk) 19:03, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Request for a new MOS guideline on 'Awards and honours' section
Dear colleagues, I've been searching for: 1) the recommended placement, and 2) formatting , of the Awards section to include in articles on authors and academics, for example. I looked in MOS:LAYOUT for any indication on where to place such a section but no joy there, and I couldn't find a guideline for the recommended formatting in MOS:BIOGRAPHY either. Is it somewhere else? (I've therefore looked for precedent in several articles: Hilary Mantel has a useful example; Ernest Hemingway doesn't have such a section at all, and Albert Einstein has his awards in a separate article, which makes sense, per WP:DETAIL.) Request: Please could our MOS experts therefore consider adding a new guideline for this, perhaps in MOS:LAYOUT and/or in MOS:BIOGRAPHY, with a shortcut of MOS:AWARDS, for example? Very many thanks in advance. With kind regards; Patrick. ツ Pdebee.(talk)(become old-fashioned!) 10:00, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
 * There's probably an MOS page that addresses this somewhere, but you might have to dig to find it. My advice would be to find a recent Featured Article and follow whatever was done in that.  That's always a safe move.  If there really isn't any guidance anywhere, maybe we could write something.  I guess WP:VPPRO would be the best place to hash out a new MOS guideline. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 03:27, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Trivial parts of a memoir
Hi! I'm currently writing an article about an influential academic in Indonesia. I've currently reading two of his books, and there are parts where he recounted his experience during his childhood and adolescence. Collecting the information has started to be somehow overwhelming, and I've been wondering whether there's a fine line between what information is still considered acceptable and/or trivial (trivial, in the sense of, encouraged to not be included in the article). As examples, what would these parts of the memoir be considered?
 * In elementary school, I liked a hobby... or, I liked this or that book...
 * In elementary school, I had to follow this class and that class... (or this-that activity.. or the curriculum is like this...)
 * Personally [in the memoir], the best and worst parts of this-that activity/class/etc were A, B, C, ... and so on.
 * The first time I went to school, Sundanese was the spoken language in class. However, in 2nd grade, it was Dutch.... and then Indonesian supplemented by Japanese as the Japanese military came in 1942... and so on.
 * Before my father passed away, the local doctor taught me to inject penicillin because my father needed them daily.
 * Among the secondary ed textbooks I had learned from are the books by X, Y, Z,....
 * The high school I had enrolled in was lead by X, who later became a president at university Z.
 * The chemistry teacher had this and that experience... that was probably why he taught so well and indirectly built my aspiration to be a chemist.

Thank you in advance! Dhio (talk?) 02:22, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Michael Spence (academic)
Can we get some eyes on Michael Spence (academic) please? There's lots of editing activity: one pro-Spence WP:SPA is adding a lot of material, other editors are taking a very anti-Spence line. It would be good to keep all editors to WP:V. Bondegezou (talk) 09:38, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

Privacy right for image at Murder of Du'a Khalil Aswad
The inclusion (and location of the image in the article) of image from the video of this person's murder has been discussed several times on the talkpage. An editor new to this article has removed the image on grounds of ethics and invasion of privacy. I'm not well-versed in this set of issues on our articles relating to crime victims. Could I get some additional opi nions at Talk:Murder of Du'a Khalil Aswad? DMacks (talk) 03:40, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Use of Sir in article name
Hi, I was wondering whether the use of Sir in the article name is discouraged or is acceptable? See Sir John Swinton, 14th of that Ilk and Sir John Swinton, 15th of that Ilk. Regards Newm30 (talk) 15:38, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Criteria for infobox job title
Is there guidance on deciding what job title to use in a biography 'infobox officeholder'? For example, the Deborah Hersman article shows: Chair of the National Transportation Safety Board. She left that job six years ago. Biographies of other people who held that office (shown in the 'Chairmen of the National Transportation Safety Board' navbox at the article bottom), do not uniformly show their NTSB chairmanship in the infobox. Some other titles shown are political party chairmanship, ambassador, and government agency administrator. Is the choice of "office" title based on chronology, or some other criterion? DonFB (talk) 03:28, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Relisted AFD on a previously refunded article
The second AFD on an article that was refunded after the first AFD has been relisted. Would appreciate help resolving the Notability question more permanently this time. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 08:30, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

More updates for Charlie Ergen
Hello, I have suggested more improvements to the article for Charlie Ergen, chairman of DISH Network and EchoStar. At Talk:Charlie_Ergen, I provided references in response to a "citation needed" tag that was added when a blacklisted source was removed. As an employee of DISH (as disclosed on my profile page as well as the article's talk page), I was hoping editors here interested in biography articles might be able to assist. Thanks in advance for any help. CK-DISH (talk) 15:17, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

Vangelis (Evangelos) Vitalis
This page for Vangelis (Evangelos) Vitalis needs reformatting to standard wikipedia format. 161.29.253.1 (talk) 18:52, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Merge of charts templates
Help needed. Please see: Template talk:Family tree. PPEMES (talk) 15:54, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Jay Sures
I work for Executive Writing, and as part of my consultancy work, I work with United Talent Agency. This page was flagged in February 2018 as having a major contributor having a close connection with the subject. Jay Sures, the subject of the article, has not edited this page since August 2018 and the page has had edits in that time. @Penny75, would you be willing to help? I would appreciate any guidance from editors. EWChristine (talk) 18:48, 30 March 2020 (UTC)EW Christine
 * Do you have close connection with the subject? If so, that's a problem.   Mr. C.C. Hey yo!I didn't do it! 22:15, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Paul Isser
This athlete doesn't exist...I think he was confused with Paul Aste, who won European Championship in luge in 1955 (check the source). I think that article has to be cancelled. --Lou6977 (talk) 05:31, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

Troels Lund (director)
Hi. This page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Troels_Lund_(director)) has been revised multiple times after feedback from editors (after the page was declined), and now it's (supposedly) ready to be approved. However, it has not been reviewed for quite a while. Would anyone be willing to review and (hopefully) approve it? Terrencetown (talk) 19:03, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Jay Sures
{{reply to|fishhead2001]] I made the request because Jay Sure's page has changed considerably in the time since the warning tag was added in 2019. As a COI Editor, I am not making any changes to the page and am advising that the warning tag now refers to a problem that does not exist. If you are willing to help with this, I would appreciate it. Thank you.EWChristine (talk) 20:45, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Mike Jackson
Mike Jackson (right-handed pitcher), an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Therapyisgood (talk) 19:49, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Ryan Hanigan
Ryan Hanigan, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Therapyisgood (talk) 21:42, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Robert Garran FAR
I have nominated Robert Garran for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Sandy Georgia (Talk)  16:35, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

List of known cases of COVID-19 in the United States
There's a Draft:List of known cases of COVID-19 in the United States; it hasn't been updated since the beginning of March. The list criteria need discussing, so any interested parties could participate. -- 65.94.170.207 (talk) 11:24, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Inclusion of life span (other than the subject's) in a biography
Does Wikipedia have a policy regarding whether to include in a biography the birth and death years of people other than the subject of the article? An example is "Her English father, Reginald Michael Bloxam Hallward (known as Michael Hallward; 1889-1982) was an architect and author; her Scottish mother, Jean (or Jeanne) McDougall, who used the stage name Jean Grahame (1890-1984), was a British stage actress and acting teacher.[3] The couple had an older daughter, Joy Hallward (1911–2003), ..." (from Gloria Grahame). Eddie Blick (talk) 01:27, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Watchers on Walter Mebane
My PhD supervisor Walter Mebane published a paper that comments on potential fraud in the recent South Korean election, and it is causing a persistent edit skirmish with boatloads of WP:NOR violations that I can't do anything about because of my very strong COI. I think it would be nice to have some more responsible watchers to make sure that BLP policies aren't violated there. Thanks. - Astrophobe  (talk) 04:25, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
 * to clarify, by "more responsible watchers" I mean "a larger number of responsible watchers", not to imply that current watchers of the page aren't responsible - Astrophobe  (talk) 04:30, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Elizabeth Báthory article
For those that are interested in editing articles about historical figures or just ensuring the accuracy of articles about them (or appropriate tone in articles), see Talk:Elizabeth Báthory. A permalink for it is here. It could use more eyes. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 19:20, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Please review:)Draft:Branislav NedimovićElserbio00 (talk) 20:11, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

RfC pointer
This RfC may be of interest to the members of this project. Beyond My Ken (talk) 19:12, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Uploading policy – question
Hello! I have a question – Can we upload Aparna Rao's picture from her profile at UoC on Wikipedia while crediting the UoC as the source of the image? Thanks, Мастер Шторм (talk) 17:08, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * An experienced user also tried to find, but there is no known freely licensed picture of hers to upload on Wikipedia, hence this question. See – Talk:Aparna Rao. Thanks, Мастер Шторм (talk) 13:52, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

The home_town parameter of Template:Infobox_person
Please see: Template talk:Infobox person.

As I know that changes to major infoboxes are often controversial (and many to that template in particular have been WP:VPPOL RfCs in their own right), it seemed pertinent to notify broadly of the proposal.

Summary: We removed residence, but kept this parameter for childhood non-birthplace residence, despite that being usually trivia. The proposal would repurpose this parameter for long-term residency places during the subject's period of notability. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  21:32, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

Notable board positions for Oscar Munoz
Hello! I've submitted a request to add mention of Oscar Munoz's notable board positions at Talk:Oscar Munoz (executive), on behalf of United Airlines. One editor initially rejected the request and said "Being on the board of directors of a company isn't especially notable". They then said other editors should weigh in after I asked about board positions being displayed in Template:Infobox person. I've pinged one other editor who helped on a related article for feedback, but I'm hoping other editors will weigh in here as well. Thanks in advance for feedback or updates to the Career section on my behalf Inkian Jason (talk) 17:03, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
 * This request has been answered. Inkian Jason (talk) 14:28, 20 May 2020 (UTC)

Need help creating biography for martial arts instructor Pedro Sauer
I have created a draft article which is waiting to be approved on martial arts instructor Pedro Sauer. He is a brazilian jiu-jitsu instructor who was a family friend of the Gracie family and was one of the first to arrive to teach the sport in North America. He is highly revered within the martial arts community, runs a large organization of gyms and has several succesfull former students many of whom have their own pages on Wikipedia. On these grounds I believe he is notable enough to have an article. I want to make sure the draft article I created is as well written and sourced as it can be and am looking for help from others to make this possible. I made a post asking for help at WP:MARTIAL as well. You can see what I have so far here. Any help is appreciated. Asm20 (talk) 20:20, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Charles Hazlewood
Perhaps someone from this WikiProject could try and help out update this article written about her husband (see User talk:Marchjuly for reference). She tried to update the page, but her changes were reverted by another editor, which does have been appear the correct thing to do. Apparently her husband is scheduled to be interviewed in a few days on Desert Island Discs and she feels that this will lead people searching for information about him online. She states that the content of the article is vastly out-dated (there might be some truth to that), but seems not really willing to wait and let others try and help her update things by requesting edits on the talk page; so, she would rather have the article deleted than provide out-of-date information. Maybe someone familiar with composer articles could help her sort this out because her husband does seem notable which means a consensus is unlikely going to be established to delete it. Pinging as a courtesy since they are the other editor involved. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:06, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Automatic WikiProject tagging
I would like to gain thoughts and consensus on whether having my bot place the WikiProject banner on the talk pages of several thousand biographies of dead persons. The categories which have their articles checked are listed at User:Dreamy Jazz/sandbox/3 (this is only a copy and paste from my computer, so changing this won't change the list on my computer). I suspect that total number of pages to tag will be around 17,000, but duplicate articles / some pruning to the list may reduce this number slightly.

The bot could also, if wanted, auto assess when it adds the banner (following the rules at User:BU RoBOT/autoassess). It could also auto assess the class as a stub if there is a stub template on the article if no other projects have rated the article. This will reduce the number of pages which are added to Category:Unassessed biography articles, but would add it to Category:Automatically assessed biography articles.

If this is wanted I will file a WP:BRFA, otherwise, I will probably use AWB to add the project banners myself (as I have been doing for BLPs). Dreamy <i style="color:#d00">Jazz</i> 🎷 talk to me &#124; my contributions 13:55, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * BRFA filed at Bots/Requests for approval/Dreamy Jazz Bot 4. Dreamy <i style="color:#d00">Jazz</i> talk to me &#124; my contributions 16:47, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The bot is now running (has been since the early hours of this morning). Dreamy <i style="color:#d00">Jazz</i> talk to me &#124; my contributions 12:43, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Structure opinion on GA nomination
Hi there, I've been reviewing the Laura Harrier GA nomination and I suggested that the one-sentence 'personal life' section could be merged with the 'early life', to form an early & personal life section about non-career details. The nominator suggested that the article should be chronological and asked for another opinion on this structure. I thought I'd ask here if anyone would like to provide this opinion, since the matter is most relevant to this WikiProject. Thanks, Kingsif (talk) 16:03, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Proposed split at Philippe Pétain
Your feedback would be appreciated at this split proposal at Philippe Pétain. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 02:54, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Racial views of Winston Churchill
This AFD has been opened and may be of interest to members of this project. Thanks. No Great Shaker (talk) 10:49, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Gerald Ford FAR
I have nominated Gerald Ford for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Sandy Georgia (Talk)  17:33, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

Smile and physical appearance
I had added “A student described him as having a "charming smile which just refuses to leave his countenance, with penetrating jet black eyes”, but this has been removed on the basis of “Wikipedia is not a hagiography. What smile he had is really, really not Wikipedia material”. Kindly advise if this is correct, seeing that the smile of Makinti Napanangka and Anne Hathaway are mentioned. Chesdovi (talk) 13:50, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Assessment parameters
Hey, would it be possible to add parameters for assessment, i.e. of the kind: I know some other templates like this do, for eg. Template:WPMILHIST, but I'm not sure of the exact syntax. This would in any case be a useful addition. Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 13:38, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Ordinarily this would be achieved with placing code like this:  in the vicinity of (but not replacing) the existing line   which needs to be retained. See for example Template:WikiProject Politics of the United Kingdom - MILHIST is not a good one to copy, being extremely non-standard. Unfortunately the HOOK_ASSESS parameter is already present, and is occupied with other custom code:   and I've not worked out how to accommodate both.
 * Regardless of that, a major change like this would require a consensus discussion at WT:WikiProject Biography. It's major because pages would all be dropped from  to  until they could be reassessed. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 10:54, 2 June 2020 (UTC)


 * In that case moving this here to see if there's any support. Thanks, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 15:39, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree that it would be a "major change"; but then again this is not "B-class" by any standard (depending on how much we know about this person, it might be C-class) yet that's what the template said. The template from WP Germany (which also has its own non-standard parameters for this purpose) had a conflicting but more accurate "start class" assessment (I have since harmonised this for consistency). Do you know if there's a way to list articles which have been assessed in more than one WP template and where the assessments are conflicting? This would already be a possibility for improvement. Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 18:33, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * , if there is not a preexisting method, this seems best solved by using a bot and then a database report. Let me see what I can get together. Dreamy <i style="color:#d00">Jazz</i> talk to me &#124; my contributions 20:29, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I'd support something that can show us conflicting assessments, but in terms of making a checklist, we don't have the manpower to do that for a wikiproject of this size. Wizardman  21:40, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
 * A report is being generated. It should be at User:Dreamy Jazz Bot/WikiProject Biography tagged pages with conflicting classes once it is complete (the page will turn blue when the report is generated as the bot will create the page). Dreamy <i style="color:#d00">Jazz</i> talk to me &#124; my contributions 01:21, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * The report is limited to 1000 pages but this can be increased (the higher the limit the longer it takes to generate so 1000 seemed sensible to me for now). I plan to move this to a subpage of the WikiProject if the report is wanted (subject to approval from BRFA of course). Dreamy <i style="color:#d00">Jazz</i> talk to me &#124; my contributions 01:24, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Category:Category-Class biography articles
Hello, I started removing some redundant WikiProject tagging by blocked user (example); however, it seems from the number of members in the category in the title that this project shouldn't be removed? 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:25, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

More automatic WikiProject tagging
My bot has finished running the previous tagging run approved at BRFA. Based on XTools the bot added the banner to 37,801 talk pages.

I would like to run the bot on pages in year/decade/century of birth like categories. There will be some differences in dealing with articles where the subject is alive: Apart from these differences, the bot function will be very similar to the previous run. I welcome thoughts here or at the request for approval at Bots/Requests for approval/Dreamy Jazz Bot 5. Dreamy <i style="color:#d00">Jazz</i> talk to me &#124; my contributions 14:11, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
 * If a WikiProject banner shell is already present and the talk page does not use a BLP like template, the bot will add  to the WikiProject banner shell.
 * If there is no WikiProject banner shell and there is a BLP like template on the page, the bot will skip the page.

RfC on whether MOS:ETHNICITY should be put aside or not for the Nikola Tesla biography
Talk:Nikola_Tesla/Nationality_and_ethnicity Notrium (talk) 16:23, 13 June 2020 (UTC)