Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography/Archive 75

Socrates Nelson
(This post is shamelessly self-plagiarized from one I made at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Minnesota)

I recently stumbled across the article Socrates Nelson. It seems to have been largely (but not entirely) untouched over the last six+ years. Since then, the article's creator and I have substantially expanded the article, adding an infobox, a number of references, more comprehensive information about Nelson's life, etc. It's not a rush, but I was hoping someone from this WikiProject could re-assess the article's grade as it pertains to this project's scope.

Based on the research I did into the subject, the article is fairly comprehensive, but there are definitely still some gaps that could be filled in (for example, his term in the Minnesota Senate needs fleshing out, and it wouldn't hurt to include more information on e.g. his family life and logging business if it's out there), and it's still actively being worked on.

My personal assessment is that the article is currently a 'C', and might be improved to a 'B' in the near future. Given the subject is a somewhat obscure politician whose career was 150+ years ago, I believe the breadth and quality of content in its current state would be completely satisfactory and useful to a casual reader (in fact, based on the sources I've trawled through thus far, I think this might be the most comprehensive central resource on this man anywhere on the web), but that a 'B' grade just isn't in order yet. At any rate, I'm also open to suggestions about what could be improved.  TheTechnician27  (Talk page)  02:09, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I've reassessed it, I agree with C class for biography. I haven't changed the other WikiProjects since you've asked those, too. I left notes in an edit reason, but my best advice now (if you've exhausted sources) is to try and rewrite a little - the prose is fast, it states very simple facts in quick succession and there is likely more level of detail in the sources. Even without more detail, the flow can be improved by changing sentence style, etc. After that, sending it to WP:GOCE for a proper copyedit. I admire GOCE a lot; I have studied and write professionally but for real nuance of appropriate wikistyle it's the frequent copyeditors to ask. Kingsif (talk) 11:44, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thankfully, I hadn't run out of resources just yet; I still had Chronicling America up my sleeve. Having used that now, though, I think I've probably hit a brick wall. After a bit more more touching up (provided I don't stumble across something major), I'll consult GOCE and see how they can help. Although I don't believe there is a lot more detail within the sources I have available, I still recognize that my narrative style is pretty garbage, effectively boiling down to "and then, and then, and then...", so I'm sure they can at least improve the quality of the prose. In the meantime, I've broken up the two largest sections into paragraphs for readabillity, added a bit of information from contemporary news sources, and added a few images for less visual monotony.  TheTechnician27  (Talk page)  03:05, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Award templates?
I have no experience with award templates used at the foot of biographies, but I'm looking at these edits and wondering if this is an appropriate usage of this template space. Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 23:12, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, relevant navboxes. The user has been going through a lot of navboxes and adding them to bios without them (where they should be), so if it looks like a sudden template dump that's why. Kingsif (talk) 11:00, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

Images of mass murder perpetrators at FFD
I welcome your input at the following link: Files for discussion/2020 December 8. --George Ho (talk) 23:28, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

A New Year With Women in Red!
--Megalibrarygirl (talk) 03:01, 29 December 2020 (UTC) via MassMessaging

Should Purple Numbers be freestanding or part of Douglas Engelbart biography?
I have asked for deletion review of Purple Numbers (now a redirect). « Saper // @talk » 21:48, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Notification of bot request
I have submitted a bot request to do the following:
 * Remove maintenance categories Category:Year of birth missing or Category:Year of birth missing (living people) when year of birth exists
 * Remove maintenance categories Category:Date of birth missing or Category:Date of birth missing (living people) when full date of birth exists

A discussion about the usefulness of such a bot (and the categories themselves) is occurring at Bots/Requests for approval/BattyBot 53. Any thoughts you would like to add there would be appreciated. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 23:27, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Hubert Nathan Myers and Clifford Williams
Hi all

I've just started an article for Hubert Nathan Myers and Clifford Williams who spent 43 years in prison of murder before being exonerated. Its clear that they are notable enough for Wikipedia and very widely covered in the media (I've only added a small number of the references available). However I don't understand what to call the article to correctly fit in with Wikipedia policies (biographies are not usually my thing). There appear to be a few options:


 * 1) Keep the article about two people (this makes sense because their stories are so closely related)
 * 2) Split it into two separate biographies
 * 3) Rename the article to be able the case (I assume this is the actual correct one but no idea what to call the case, The state of Florisa vs ??? maybe).

Please feel free to just change it to what is correct

Thanks

John Cummings (talk) 23:46, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Eni Njoku
Greetings:

I noticed on the biography of the Nigerian scientist Eni Njoku that a user (Fagbohunmichael) around May 2020 erroneously added several references in the Selected Works section that do not belong to that article. They belong to Eni G. Njoku who does not yet have an article. I am new to Wikipedia editing and do not want to tackle removing such a large erroneous segment of the article, hence I am posting here hoping a more experienced editor might be able to help. I have added one correct reference to the top of the list. That reference has publication date 1956. The other references all have publication dates after the death of Eni Njoku.

Thank you for your help, Eonn (talk) 05:46, 6 January 2021 (UTC)


 * ✅! Peaceray (talk) 05:57, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

Mythology of Benjamin Banneker
Input at Talk:Mythology of Benjamin Banneker would be appreciated. A Wired article raised an issue (see link in talk page notice) and there is a discussion about the level of detail and use of sources. Fences &amp;  Windows  23:54, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * For a direct link to the Wired article cited above, see: Corker1 (talk) 06:40, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Yagan Featured article review
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Nomination for merging of Template:Infobox member of the Knesset
Template:Infobox member of the Knesset has been nominated for merging with Template:Infobox officeholder. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Triggerhippie4 (talk) 03:44, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

What should be the scope of "people from X" lists?
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:List of people from Ukraine § Comments. &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 22:33, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

Help with updates for James F. Allen article
Hello! Gary here, hoping to submit a few updates for the James F. Allen (chairman of Hard Rock International; CEO of Seminole Gaming) article, as I've disclosed on the article's talk page. I managed to submit a couple requests successfully in December, but so far no editors have replied to my most recent one. Are any project members available to take a look? Thanks for any help! GaryBitner (talk) 20:15, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Francis de Laporte de Castelnau
I may need some help with Francis de Laporte de Castelnau, a 19th century French naturalist and diplomat who also appears to be related to nobility: I am of the opinion that the current page title should be changed, but I'm not sure what it should be. At the very least though his first name tends to be given as "François" rather than "Francis". Looking through the page's history, it used to be titled "François Louis de la Porte, comte de Castelnau", until it was moved to its current title by in 2010 (who was indefinitely blocked later that year).

Some other notes:
 * His name is given as "François Louis Nompar de Caumont Laporte" in the Australian Dictionary of Biography entry that is used as a reference.
 * According to Evenhuis's 2012 Zootaxa article that is also used as a reference, "François Louis Nompar de Caumont de Laporte" is his name on his death certificate.
 * Also according to Evenhuis, his real name is "François-Louis Nompar de Caumont La Force", the surname of which (as well as his real birth date) was hidden for many years because he was apparently an illegitimate child (!).
 * Finally, the title of Evenhuis's article uses "François-Louis Comte de Castelnau" as a shortened version of this name, although this misses out the "Laporte" name altogether.

So, what should the page's title be instead?

Monster Iestyn (talk) 03:28, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay, after having no response for nearly two weeks (it looks like this WikiProject is not very active at all currently), I'm just going to WP:RM to deal with this. Monster Iestyn (talk) 17:24, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Automated flagging of statements needing citations
Hi, to reduce the burden of manual assessments on part of editors, we are working on an AI to automatically identify issues in statements along the lines of neutrality, clarifications and citations. The AI learns from statements in low quality articles that are problematic. We need some help evaluating the predictions to make them better and prepare for community use. I'm providing a few example predictions flagged by the AI for statements needing citations. Please let us know inline if the statements below indeed need citations. For every correctly identified statement needing citation, the AI is saving an editor's valuable time in manual assessment. With enough support, we hope to make this available for help with article review. See the discussion on FAR for more information. Sumit (talk) 23:42, 16 January 2021 (UTC)


 * That same year, she obtained her first role as an actress in a telefilm "La Sainte famille", directed by Marion Sarraut and broadcast in December 2019 on France 2. (Barbara_Pravi)
 * The band had four UK No. 1 singles and four UK No. 2 singles in a three-year period, after which it began to disintegrate as the hits dried up. (Bill_Legend)
 * In 2017, Gabriel Aduda was is in the spotlight as there were alleged rumours that he is not qualified for the position of the Permanent Secretary when he was appointed by the vice President Prof. (Gabriel_Aduda)
 * He was born in Los Angeles, California and received a degree in theater at UCLA. (James_Saito)
 * Off-Broadway plays include Sarah Ruhl's The Oldest Boy (2014) at the Mitzi Newhouse Theater at Lincoln Center and Julia Cho's Durango at The Public Theater for which he won an Obie award in 2007. (James_Saito - 3 others in the same section)
 * Eventually he became an in-demand studio musician, arranger, ethnic woodwind player, sound designer, synthesist and music programmer in Los Angeles and New York City. (Jeff_Rona - 3 more in the "Careers" section)
 * Rona's projects have received an Oscar, Peabody and Emmy awards, as well as film festival awards around the world. (Jeff_Rona)
 * In 1972, he was recruited by City College of New York to organize its Black Studies Department. (Leonard_Jeffries)
 * She speaks regularly at events for the institution to her fellow members – for example, presented a paper on E. coli O157 in November 2008 to the Sussex Group, a presentation on Home Hygiene to the Herts Beds and Bucks branch in December 2008 and a talk on Rogue Restaurants to the CIEH Commercial group in December 2008, and papers on Acrylamide, Allergens and on the history of the success of reducing risks on Salmonella in eggs (CIEH 2018). (Lisa_Ackerley - 19 more in "public appearances" and "Careers" section)
 * She regularly provides interviews for radio and press on environmental health issues, and is a regular on the Jonathan Vernon-Smith show on BBC Three Counties Radio. (Lisa_Ackerley)
 * Selgin's illustrations and paintings have been featured in The New Yorker, Gourmet, Outside, Fine Gardening, San Francisco, Boston, Forbes, U.S. Art, American Illustration, Time-Out New York, the Chicago Tribune, and The Wall Street Journal, as well as NPR's Weekend Edition, Fox's Good Day New York, and CNBC's Great Stuff. (Peter_Selgin)
 * Prior to college, Johnson was not aware that computer science consisted of learning programming until he first enrolled at Stanford University, where he started by acquiring a BA in History, and eventually a MS in Computer Science. (Soren_Johnson)
 * Offworld Trading Company would end up being a commercial success, selling over 600,000 copies, and achieved a broadly positive critical reception. (Soren_Johnson - 14 more in the "Biography" section)

FAR notice
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George VIII of Georgia
Two questions: concerning “Marriage and children”

1.	The name of the father of the children of King George VIII. is given as “Alexander”, but should it not be rather George?

2.	The second wife of King George is mentioned as Nestan-Darejan, of unknown origin. Can she be identified with the unnamed daughter of Theodore Kantakouzenos (* after 1361, + 1410) as indicated in the Article on Theodore ? --W.ehrlich (talk) 06:07, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Nostradamus Featured article review
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Hundreds of articles use "genius" or "genius award" for MacArthur Fellowships, removal as WP:PUFF
The search tool finds 937 hits for "Macarthur genius", a large proportion of which are bio pages of MacArthur Fellowship winners stating that they received "MacArthur genius grants" or similar language with the word "genius".

Clearly those references to "genius" should all be gone as it is not part of the formal or encyclopedic name for the awards, and violates WP:PUFF.

Calling attention to it here in case of interest in crowdsourcing, or in adding it explicitly to relevant guideline pages. 73.89.25.252 (talk) 00:40, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Betches Article
Hi, I'm not certain if Betches' talk page needs to be marked as part of WikiProject Biography. The explicit topic is a business, but it discusses a lot of information about the lives of the owners. It's currently not under any wikiprojects, but I am uncertain of who it should go with. Please ping me if you respond. Thanks! --Xurizuri (talk) 10:22, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Jeff Skoll Honours and awards
Hello! I've asked here if editors could review the appropriateness of including additional recognition to the article for film producer and philanthropist Jeff Skoll. I welcome feedback. I have a conflict of interest because I work with the Jeff Skoll Group. I am careful to build consensus in place of directly editing the article. Thank you. JSG Lindsey (talk) 01:44, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Mohammad Abdi's page
Hello,

I noticed hat Mohammed Abdi's page has been considered to be deleted. I would like to verify the sources mentioned on the page. I also have few more resources to add but dont know how to do inline citation. MahshidZam (talk) 09:31, 28 January 2021 (UTC)MahshidZam ,1/28/2020

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Help improving Nate Morris article
Hello All, I am a paid representative for Nate Morris, here to help improve the current article. More about me is on my userpage. I know I shouldn't update the live text on my own because of my "conflict of interest". The article in its current state leaves much room for improvement in terms of quality Wikipedia content, as I understand it. Recently, I posted an entirely new draft of the article, attempting to shore up references and improve content relevance, readability, and overall quality as an encyclopedic, biographical entry. Having received no replies yet, I'm posting here in case there could be interested editors to assist. My request can be seen here: Talk:Nate Morris. Thanks! MS rep 4 NMorris (talk) 17:23, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

Use of autographs in the signature field
I posted a question to WikiProject Formula One asking about the possibility of using autographs in signature fields which seems to be done for some actors/directors. I haven't received a response yet but I would appreciate input from editors here on whether or not this would be acceptable. 5225C (talk • contributions) 00:18, 1 February 2021 (UTC) Please ping

Legacy of Fred Trump
In the article of Fred Trump the last chapter is called legacy. It is not objective but highly subjective. The point of this chapter is clearly to put a negative spin on Donald and Fred Trump. To quote Seth MacFarlane on his view on Trump is not relevant because he supports the Democrates and is clearly biased in this matter. All in all this chapter is useless. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Josef Steen (talk • contribs) 17:21, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
 * The place to discuss this would be at Talk:Fred Trump. But note that your objection to the content on the basis that MacFarlane is biased, is irrelevant. We often include criticism and praise about various subjects. Example: Film critics might hate or love a movie. That is bias, yet we include film critic quotes in film articles. What we endeavour to do, however, is present criticism and praise in such a way as to maintain Wikipedia's neutrality. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:38, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

Assistance required please
Hi, I have created a biography page about Dr Eve Afifa Kheir, a very renouned scholar in the minority Druze community. It is the first time I create a page. It is the third time the page gets reviewed. After the first review I added a great number of new reliable outside neutral sources. The professor is very highly revered in the minority Druze community and the information I provided is all backed up by proper reliable references. It seems that since the references are mainly in languages that the reviewers are not necessarily familiar with, they tended to believe that they are not reliable sources. This review process seems very unprofessional. The previous reviewer only asked to add more references and so I did. I would appreciate it if you can assist in having this draft reviewed professionally and accepted since it is important for the minority Druze community to acknowledge their highly revered scholars and pioneering women. Thank you for your time. Here's the link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Eve_Afifa_Kheir MaxineMalone (talk) 23:09, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

British Bake Off winners under discussion
I have started the discussion about individual winners of The Great British Bake Off at Talk:The Great British Bake Off. --George Ho (talk) 22:58, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

FAR notice
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Bot management of year of birth/death categories
Your opinions are welcome at Village pump (proposals). —  The  Earwig ⟨talk⟩ 16:14, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Describing child's cause of death in parent's biography
I've searched policies and the MOS but haven't been able to find one: is there a policy or even a style guide on whether the cause of death of a person's child is encyclopedic for the parent's article? Specifically, in the Wikipedia article for Laura Berman, is the third sentence encyclopedic in this three-sentence "Personal life" section of her article? "Berman is married to Samuel Chapman. During the course of their marriage, Chapman and Berman became the parents of three sons: Ethan (born 1996), Sam (2004–2021), and Jackson (born 2005). Sam died on February 7, 2021, aged 16, from what his parents believe to be fentanyl laced Xanax or Percocet which he bought from a drug dealer on Snapchat and were delivered to his house." The information is correct and is properly referenced to multiple reliable sources. Privacy isn't really an issue since it's been all over the news, and Berman has done multiple television news interviews on his death, including several on the day after he died. Even WP:NOTNEWS only gives guidance for whole articles, not for a sentence within an article (since there's no disputing Laura Berman is sufficiently notable to have a Wikipedia article [and the article was created in 2009]). My question is simply: is the cause of her son's death sufficiently encyclopedic to be in the article about her? OCNative (talk) 01:18, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't know of any policy that deals with this specifically and I would be surprised if there were. It's probably been dealt with in page-specific consensuses before, and whether or not it's encyclopedic I imagine should be decided case-by-case for each article. For example the exact details of how and when a monarch's heir dies is probably extremely relevant in a way that the death of, say, a physicist's child would not be. My feeling after looking over this particular page is that this information is probably not related to her encyclopedic notability at the moment and I think the page would be better if the information were removed. But as you note, that's not because it's private information or anything, I just don't think it's relevant to the purpose of an encyclopedia page about her (though of course that could change with time). What is however not permitted by policy is including the birth years of her surviving children without citations (WP:BLPPRIVACY is explicit that we list the birth year of a living person "provided that there is a reliable source for it"), so I've removed those. - Astrophobe  (talk) 03:18, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I think case-by-case is best. There shouldn't be a project-wide policy. I think in this case it should be included. Prominence in sources should count for a lot. Is the reader best served by including or omitting? Bus stop (talk) 03:37, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I also think it depends on the circumstances, while being more sensitive to the privacy concerns for parents who are BLPs. The parents seem to be making many public statements about their son's death here, and if a parent talks a lot about the death of their child to the media, that is probably going to be enough to find it to be a significant aspect of their biography. – wallyfromdilbert (talk) 08:38, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

Music Bands/Groups in BLP ?!
Asking for some advice: Had comments about that Music Groups and Bands need to be tagged for this project - well, what I've learned at University is a biography is always about a single person ("A biography, or simply bio, is a detailed description of a person's life.", taken from our own article). Can somebody point me into any direction that might be helpful!? Thanks in advance. CommanderWaterford (talk) 12:54, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

G. Ledyard Stebbins Featured article review
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Proposed deletion of José Silva (parapsychologist)


The article José Silva (parapsychologist) has been proposed for deletion&#32;because of the following concern: "Unreferenced article with a slanted POV that has clearly not shown signs of improvement in years"

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Members vs. participants
This project may be interested in efforts to replace "members" by "participants" in all wikiprojects. The matter is being discussed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women in Red and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Council.--Ipigott (talk) 10:05, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Anyone interested in English Abbesses in France/Belgium?
I have just added about a dozen new biographies to your project in the last hour. Anyone care to copyedit / check them? Find them in my edit history. Victuallers (talk) 18:03, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

More Information please
I have been removing information relating to John Thomas Hartman Jr, a totally different person born in 1922 - including notice of death this year. It would be good to see more information pertaining to the real John Hartman. e.g. What is his full name? Ge burrell (talk) 00:39, 18 February 2021 (UTC)George Burrell 18 February 2021

Japanese actors and actresses and notable works
I notice that in multiple articles about Japanese actors and actresses, the infobox contains extensive "notable works" lists which border close to listing every single role they've ever had. Is there an established consensus for limiting how many works should be listed in this parameter? Thanks in advance! Jalen Folf  (talk)  05:41, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Mountbatten-Windsor
I can see some name changes in the royal family articles like Prince George of Cambridge or Anne, Princess Royal Even in their articles it is clearly stated “members of the Royal Family who are entitled to the style and dignity of HRH Prince or Princess do not need a surname” Why we are rewriting history by adding Princess Anne’s article to Mountbatten-Windsor surname which she never use. She married two times. Also their birth certificates (which actually are public documents) doesn’t use Mountbatten-Windsor surname. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Berfu (talk • contribs) 18:20, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Reassesment of Thomas (bishop of Finland)
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FAR notice
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Larry Lawton
I'm cleaning up this article. The article originally read like a promotional ad so I've trimmed a lot of the fluff from it. The main problem was a lack of sources, as he hasn't been covered that much in online sources but mostly Florida print newspapers. So I clipped a bunch of newspaper articles on him. So if anyone wants to dive in and help that's be great. Harizotoh9 (talk) 05:03, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
 * I have now completely re-written the article from top to bottom and sent a request for peer review. Harizotoh9 (talk) 00:09, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Help with a possible citogenesis
Hi there. I'm aware this talk page isn't for a specific article, but and I have been working to try to figure out what we believe is a citogenesis issue over at the biography Joseph Bazalgette. The article's talk page and this post on the Teahouse are basically what's been discussed up to this point. We've both been searching, and we can't find any pre-2007 sources for the claim that – until today – was made in our article. Along with everything discussed in those two threads, I've also searched the Internet Archive's books, but to no avail. I was hoping anyone here would know a good resource I could use to potentially track down something to confirm the original claim in our article or if anyone here would know of a WikiProject more suited to direct me to such a resource.  TheTechnician27  (Talk page)  02:17, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Bruce Rich


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Draft:Isaac Saul
Hi there! I recently created this article, and I was curious if anyone wants to review it. I'm especially curious to see whether it meets notablility (I think it does, since I found several news stories about him, but I'm not sure), and how I can improve the writing style. Thanks! Kokopelli7309 (talk) 22:35, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

FAR notice
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Request to update James F. Allen biography
Hello! Gary of Bitner Group here, attempting to update the James F. Allen (businessman) article on his behalf by sharing requests on the article's Talk page. I've disclosed my conflict of interest on my profile and on the article's Talk page. I've proposed some specific changes to bring the page up to date, if editors at WikiProject Biography have a moment to review and update on my behalf. Thank you! GaryBitner (talk) 19:21, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Mike Sievert COI edit requests
Hi! I've posted a few COI edit requests at Talk:Mike Sievert (the CEO of T-Mobile US). Sharing in case anyone here is interested in taking a look. Thank you for any help or feedback! Mary Gaulke (talk) 15:51, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Discussion at WP:Articles for deletion/Ante Pavlović (chiropractor)
You are invited to join the discussion at WP:Articles for deletion/Ante Pavlović (chiropractor). Sundayclose (talk) 18:04, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Recommend adding this project to David Ruggles article
Hello. I've been a long time absent contributor, but recently heard an interview with Jonathan Wells, the author of The Kidnapping Club: Wall Street, Slavery, and Resistance on the Eve of the Civil War on the subject of his book, which included Mr. Ruggles, as he wrote a contemporary artcile on the subject in the early 19th century. I see that the currentle article is not so bad, but still a start up and so am waving it under the nose of projects I thought it would fall under in the hopes that more active contributors might add to it/fix it/etc. IMHO (talk) 22:33, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

April editathons from Women in Red
--Megalibrarygirl (talk) 20:15, 22 March 2021 (UTC) via MassMessaging

Discussion at Jabir ibn Hayyan
There is a discussion at Jabir ibn Hayyan about whether to include the title "father of early chemistry". Members of this WikiProject are kindly invited to express their opinion. Apaugasma (talk&#124;contribs) 13:41, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Teresa Carlson COI edit requests
Hi! I've posted a few COI edit requests at Talk:Teresa Carlson (the VP of Public Sector at Amazon Web Services), looking to expand that article stub into a more complete article. Sharing in case anyone here is interested in taking a look. Thank you for any help or feedback! Mary Gaulke (talk) 20:51, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

David Rogier and MasterClass
Hello! My name is Alyssa and I work for MasterClass, which I've disclosed on the article's talk page, my profile page, and the David Rogier talk page to be fully compliant with the site's rules. My Articles for Creation submission for David Rogier was accepted by one editor and then almost immediately redirected by another, who used the edit summary "there doesn't seem to be any other reason to have this paid-editor article". This comment seems to focus on my conflict of interest and not the subject's notability. Despite my efforts, I've struggled to get additional feedback on this draft article.

Since one editor considered the subject notable and another seems to disagree because of my conflict of interest, are there other editors here willing to take a look to help determine eligibility and/or share additional feedback? Related, I'm also receiving limited feedback at Talk:MasterClass even though I'm using the suggested "request edit" template. Might any project members be able to help here? Thanks in advance! MC Alyssa (talk) 21:57, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
 * They were right to redirect it; Rogier appears to have done nothing notable enough to pass WP:NBIO except co-found, and serve as CEO of, a company that has a Wikipedia article (MasterClass). Since his notability is tied to the company's history, it should (only) be suitably covered at the company's article. The editor who redirected the article did not do so because of the COI; the edit reason is (being short when) explaining that there is no notability outside the company (and that because of this it's clear it was made by someone related). Kingsif (talk) 18:30, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

FAR notice
I have nominated Sviatoslav I for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Hog Farm Talk 23:37, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Simon Bainbridge
I'm not sure how this should be dealt with. An editor changed the article on Simon Bainbridge to say that he died yesterday. I can't find any online report to confirm this, so I reverted the change, but now another editor has added a date of death, again with no reference. Maybe these editors have personal knowledge, but shouldn't Wikipedia wait until there's an official announcement? And if he has died, the category "living people" should be removed. Thanks in anticipation. --188.30.18.238 (talk) 13:52, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * There appears to be a reference. Kingsif (talk) 14:44, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks - that has been added since I posted. --188.30.18.238 (talk) 14:54, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Anna Laetitia Barbauld Featured article review
I have nominated Anna Laetitia Barbauld for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Sandy Georgia (Talk)  20:08, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

CCI complete
Hello, a CCI relating to someone who basically only edited BLPs (though there are other scopes... this editor edited so much other stuff I can't notify all the projects ._.) just completed today. You can find it here, just make sure to check the revision history as we blanked the page. Some major articles include Shahid Balwa, Roman Abramovich, and Pablo Escobar off the top of my head. If this WikiProject is able to forward this to other Wikiprojects (especially for the ones with a lot of content removed; we would love to see them restored with content that follows copyright!), feel free to do so. Kind regards, and happy editing! Sennecaster  ( What now? ) 03:36, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Help with Draft
I have started a draft article about Draft: John Vogelstein, who started Warburg Pincus with Lionel Pincus. He’s a major figure in the history of finance and there’s no article about him. Would someone in this project like to offer advice and help with the draft? I have a COI because I have a personal relationship with Vogelstein. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fvogelstein (talk • contribs) 23:19, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Student Updating a Wikipedia Page
Hi there, I am a student currently enrolled in a class where we have to improve a stub article. Our edits and the final quality of the wiki page will be used as our final marks. I will be updating/adding/editing '[|The Polyester Prince]' page over the coming 5 weeks. While this wiki page is an unauthorised biography and not exactly linked to this wikiproject, I do think it is relevant, and therefore, would love any input, advice, and tips over the coming weeks as I begin to slowly update the page. Thanks so much! --WaTErMelON690 (talk) 02:39, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
 * I think you've got the wrong place, this WikiProject is about biographical articles, e.g. Barack Obama. Maybe WikiProject Books could help? I'd also review your wikilinking - you don't need to use urls, just the article name. Kingsif (talk) 07:11, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Multiple birthyears of a BLP
I am working on putting references to birthdates on BLPs and have encountered a source detailing changes to the reported birth year of a BLP, Wang Ziwen. I have put out a message on Talk:Wang Ziwen over this. Would appreciate if someone who have experiences lend their 2c. thanks! – robertsky (talk) 15:48, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Student Updating a Wikipedia Page
Hi everyone, I too am a student currently enrolled in a subject which requires the improvement of a stub article. I am writing on 'Hetty Johnston', an Australian politician and child sexual abuse advocate. I would really appreciate your advice and feedback over the coming weeks as our edits and contributions will make up our final grades for the subject. Thank you so much!Husseyp (talk) 10:49, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Courtesy link: Hetty Johnston.. Kingsif (talk) 18:03, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Employer Infobox
Sorry if this is the wrong place for this question, but I've been looking for an answer or guideline and haven't had much luck. How do we determine employer for people employed at child subsidiaries? I saw this for Kathleen Kennedy (producer) and Kevin Feige who are the heads of child subsidiaries that are owned by Disney. Kennedy is the president of Lucasfilm and Feige is the head of Marvel Studios and is the CCO at Marvel Entertainment. In order to keep these pages consistent would the parent subsidiary be the employer or would it be the company for which the person works? If this is already outlined somewhere can someone point me in the direction? Thanks! --Nemov (talk) 19:10, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Flagging edit request: AT&T CEO John Stankey
Hello – I’m making this post in the hopes of drawing editor attention to an edit request that's been posted for AT&T CEO John Stankey’s article. There are some inaccuracies and a few areas that needed clarifying, so I've submitted the request to hopefully have those addressed. Please note, I’ve proposed these edits for FleishmanHillard on behalf of AT&T. Thanks for your time and consideration! Jon Gray (talk) 21:37, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Justin Bieber RFC
Hi, I would like to notify the wikiproject that there's currently an RFC underway at Talk:Justin Bieber as to how to describe the talents of Justin Bieber. Your participation is welcome.--NØ 10:36, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Self-published print-on-demand works in bibliography of scientist?
Hi there. See Marc van Roosmalen. What's the standard treatment here? I removed them to talk, but someone is being difficult. Regards, 86.83.56.115 (talk) 16:20, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Search for Wittgenstein scores
Dear all,

As a pianist specifically interested in the works that were written for Paul Wittgenstein, I would like to know who currently possesses the PW Archives in which there are still scores that are unavailable to the public. Even if Wittgenstein himself was unwilling to share his scores during his lifetime, he did say that he didn’t want the works to gather dust on shelves after his death. Unfortunately his widow Hilde Schania let them do just that until she died in 2002. The year after, the collection was bought on a Sotheby’s auction by the Octavian Society in Hong Kong. Although some good work was done there with the music (such as studies, edition and publishing of Franz Schmidt’s three Quintets), a part of the archive was auctioned once more into the hands of someone unknown to me. That most probably means that several works of music are again being kept locked away because someone just paid for it, 60 years after Wittgenstein’s death. I understand very well that some people want to own manuscripts as a form of treasure, but it is my belief that musicians should at any time be allowed to play the compositions. What else is music for, but to be played and heard?!

So, who wants to help me rediscover these works? To name a few which have not been heard in public since Wittgenstein himself played them:

Rudolf Braun - Piano concerto (1926-27)

Sergei Bortkiewicz - Four left-hand transcriptions

Moriz Rosenthal - New Viennese Carnival and two other solo compositions

Eduard Schütt - Paraphrase for piano and orchestra

Luckily, other works are available now through music publishers, libraries and (with some detective work) private persons/family members of the composers. That’s how I have been able to perform several pieces again. After the Covid era has faded, I will continue to revive Wittgenstein’s music - as a soloist and with my ensemble devoted to W’s chamber music. Have a look at www.wittgensteinproject.com.

Best regards, Folke Nauta. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.85.40.201 (talk) 14:22, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Could new contributors be provided with a template they can fill in? Or several?
I have a stub (Lionel Bradley Pett) I would like to "upgrade" a little more, but looking at the fully fleshed-out bios like Albert Einstein there are clearly some layout and content "norms" (eg a contents list including "life and career", the sidebar with picture etc). For those who are not very familiar with Wikipedia markup or who just want to have a basic "scaffold", a template they could copy and paste into and customize depending on the information available and what is most relevant would be useful I think.

If the idea seems useful I could try to produce such a template as a draft (and to aid my own work) and more experienced editors could pitch in. What do you think?

Davidbrake (talk) 15:05, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

FAR notice
I have nominated Theramenes for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Hog Farm Talk 01:43, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

May 2021 at Women in Red
--Rosiestep (talk) 21:35, 28 April 2021 (UTC) via MassMessaging

Ralph Puckett
How can Col. Puckett have a WW II victory medal if he didn’t join the Army until 1949? 2601:640:C500:B0D0:E177:7ED5:70:4957 (talk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:640:c500:b0d0:e177:7ed5:70:4957 (talk) 07:45, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

The core contest
From June 1 to July 15, the Core Contest will be launched in its ninth iteration. It's an exciting contest, running over a period of six weeks, with £250 of prize money for the articles that are most improved. It would be neat if we could get participants to improve a biography, with Simón Bolivar and Tolstoy just two of the vital article judged to be C-class. FemkeMilene (talk) 15:18, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Just because I see the mention, I would put a note on Bolívar's article: nationalist propaganda is a major part of Chavism and while Venezuelan SPAs aren't so prolific anymore, I think there's been edit wars on how much to hero-fy Bolívar in the past. It might take a big effort. Kingsif (talk) 16:18, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
 * So an important article to get right :). The talk page seems relatively quiet for a controversial topic, so it may be doable in six weeks. FemkeMilene (talk) 16:46, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Tom Little's Sunflower Street
I would like to chage the end date of Tom Little's daily panel Sunflower Street, which is important because it depicted the life of a black community between 1934 and 1950. The strip was written by Tom Sims and drawn by political cartoonist Tom Little, both white. In 1950 it was withdrawn by it's syndicate for possible racial issues. I think that is interestng as a study subject on it's own and in the larger context op King Features history. The Wikipedia page for Tom Little is the only place this panel is mentioned. Further on, I would love to do a seperate entry for Sunflower Street. But for now a factual correction of the end dat would be great. I have found a newspaper clipping stating that Sunflower Street was withdrawn by the syndicate from 1950-04-03. Unfortunately, that clipping is on a blog, run by blogger, which makes the link controversial. Due to the fact that it is an actual newspaper clipping I wonder how I should insert that link. Can anyone help? By the ay, here is the link to the whole blogger page, the clipping (and the date in the file name) is the last one on the page. If I link to the clipping seperately, I lose the date in the file name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a02:a210:2980:ea80:319d:b5e7:d9f6:8a06 (talk) 01:13, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

FAR for Leonhard Euler
I have nominated Leonhard Euler for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. (t · c)  buidhe  04:05, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

FAR for Pierre Rossier
I have nominated Pierre Rossier for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Z1720 (talk) 22:25, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Name spacing discussion
Please come participate in the discussion at Talk:R. R. Virdi. Thanks! ··· 日本穣 ·  投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 15:31, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

Name parameter Infobox sportsperson
The guideline says: «If this parameter is omitted, the name of the article is used.» Which in my way of understanding means that, in the event that the name of the person is the same as that of the article, it is recommended to omit it. However, I am undergoing systematic reverts by a user who instead believes it is necessary to add it. How should I behave? --Kasper2006 (talk) 15:20, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Student Assignment
Hi everyone, I am a student currently enrolled in a subject which requires the improvement of a stub article. I am writing on the 2017 Elvis Presley documentary 'The King'. I would really appreciate your advice and feedback over the coming weeks as our edits and contributions will make up our final grades for the subject. Thank you so much!Husseyp — Preceding undated comment added 03:08, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Dorothy Gordon (Australian actress): Student project
Hi there! I'm a student new to Wikipedia and I am contributing to the Dorothy Gordon (Australian actress) page as part of my course. I have made significant changes and will be editing the page over the next few weeks, and would really appreciate any feedback and/or advice to improve the article! Jolisjoujou (talk) 11:26, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your work, perhaps you could also look at WP:WikiProject Women in Red and consider nominating the article for WP:DYK Kingsif (talk) 11:31, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Request for input on nomination of Template:Gender unclear for deletion
Hello. Template:Gender unclear has been nominated for deletion. This template is categorised as being of relevance to WikiProject Biography. Links to the discussion, should it be of interest, are below.

Template:Gender unclear has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. ExoticViolet (talk) 16:07, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Notability of executed prisoners
During a discussion about the specific article at Talk:Quintin Jones (prisoner), a user referenced Category:21st-century executions of American people. A quick glance shows that at least half of the articles in this category have hardly any references, and the coverage is almost always "local crime ticker" coverage - i.e. routine and not indicative of notability. Put simply, people who are executed seem to be a target for people to make articles on for two reasons - one to protest the execution because someone's against execution altogether (WP:ADVOCACY), and the second because someone who knew them wants to memorialize them in a WP article (WP:Notability). It would be nice if any highly motivated editors from the biographies project could potentially help going through these articles and determining which of them should likely be sent to a deletion discussion for being non-notable. Regards, -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 12:57, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Jeffrey Epstein RfC
There is a new RfC as to whether the cause of death should be listed as "disputed" in the infobox of the Jeffrey Epstein article. If you have any thoughts, please participate at Talk:Jeffrey_Epstein. Thanks. Hemiauchenia (talk) 13:26, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

Student Assignment Improving Wikipedia Page
Hi everyone, I am a student currently enrolled in a subject which requires the improvement of 'John Aitken (biologist)' article. I had put all the changes to the Wikipedia page John Aitken (biologist) and would really appreciate if I could hear advice and feedback over my edits and contributions. Thank you --Tempstent 05:04, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Help updating headshot
The infobox for the biographical article about Robert Rubin uses a photo that is now more than twenty years old. I have obtained Mr. Rubin's permission to release a much newer photo under a CC-BY license, and it is. I would update it myself except I have a financial COI, as I am a consultant to him. (I did post to the edit request queue earlier this week, however it is quite backlogged.) I'd be grateful to anyone with a moment to consider this suggestion. Thanks, WWB Too (Talk · COI) 12:45, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ WWB Too (Talk &middot; COI) 14:31, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

FAR for William Goebel
I have nominated William Goebel for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. (t · c)  buidhe  03:33, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

FAR notice (Lee Smith
I have nominated Lee Smith (baseball) for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Hog Farm Talk 22:13, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Perpetrator images at FFD (May 2021)
The following perpetrator images have been relisted and continually discussed at FFD: George Ho (talk) 20:51, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
 * File:James Oliver Huberty.jpg
 * File:Micah Xavier Johnson - 2016 Dallas shooter.jpg
 * File:Gavin Long - shot 6 police officers in Baton Rouge on July 17 2016.png

John Hopkins(actor) classification
Hello, fellow wikipedians. I am working on John Hopkins (actor) article, and would like to ask you to rate it based on the articles classification on Wikipedia. Here is the link to the article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hopkins_(actor). Thank you Ostapina300 (talk) 04:51, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Kiwi Camara
Hello! Sarah here, seeking to update and improve the Kiwi Camara article on behalf of DISCO. I've disclosed my conflict of interest and shared a link to a draft article at Talk:Kiwi Camara, but so far I have not received any feedback from other editors. I've outlined problems with the current article, which is mostly a Background section with two Controversy sections related to the same incident. I've also worked to draft a more well-rounded biography which relies on news organizations over student newspapers. Are any members of WikiProject Biography able to review the concerns I've identified alongside the draft, then update the live article appropriately? Thanks in advance for feedback and assistance! Sarah DISCO (talk) 20:26, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

A Work Group for YouTube and TikTok people?
I'm kind of saddened to bring this up, but articles for YouTube and TikTok people are showing up with greater frequency. I find it tenuous to claim a YouTube or TikTok person is famous by virtue of posting videos of themselves, but there is a mob that supports them. If I am evaluating the landscape properly, about the only thing that's happening is, wikipedia is hosting a bunch of low quality self promoting articles. Due to the mob, it becomes difficult to delete an article that would otherwise fall to the wayside.

Here's my experience: I brought up the deletion of an article on a Talk page, claiming the person was not really notable. I did not feel YouTubing alone rose to wikipedia's bar. Supporters of the person retorted, stating (1) other YouTubers have wiki articles; and (2) the subject in the article was interviewed by a citable source, so the person is notable or important.

I don't find either reason very compelling. I think they both fail upon closer inspection. The first reason (other YouTuber articles) is a logical fallacy. It is simply an Appeal to Bandwagon. I believe the second reason (person was interviewed) is also a logical fallacy since it argues the converse instead of the contrapositive. I believe it is true that some (many?) notable or important people are interviewed by a citable source, but the converse is not true. The converse is, if you are interviewed then you are a notable or important person. (The only truthful statement is the contrapositive - if you don't get interviewed then you are not a notable person. (Most of the time since some people may not give interviews)).

So, my request is, please form a Work Group to evaluate articles for people who use social media sites, like YouTube and TikTok, and either improve the article or delete the article as required. In the hierarchy shown in section 3.3, I believe the organization would look like:


 * Work groups
 * Arts and entertainment
 * Actors and Filmmakers
 * Musicians
 * Social media

Thanks in advance.

Jeffrey Walton (talk) 07:36, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

Edit Request
Hi WikiProject Biography members,

I have made numerous small edits to the Debra Cafaro page, a page that is within the purview of your project, to improve its quality. But I have a conflict of interest, so I cannot make the changes myself. I copied my rewrite into the talk page. Could a project member please review my rewrite and use it to replace the content that is there?

Thanks! Cglife.bmarcus (talk) 18:32, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Awards/accolades received during one's career
I wanted to know what is the preferred method for mentioning such things in BLPs for CEO's/music producers. On this page there is an existing section for awards the individual has rec'd for his work as a music producer/songwriter. But he's also placed on various Billboard/Forbes/Variety rankings for his achievements as a businessman. While a few of these have been mentioned in the prose of the Career section, there are still quite a few not yet included, so I'd like some advice on the best way to do this. Do I create a "Recognition" section like on the Jeff Bezos article and list them all out there? Or should the "Awards" section be renamed (idk to what tho), and the listicle placements inserted there? I've seen varying things on other BLPs so idk what to do. -- Carlobunnie (talk) 01:07, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Discussion on removing the net worth parameter from the infobox
There is a discussion on removing the net worth parameter from the infobox. Please comment if you have an opinion.

see Template talk:Infobox person

Thanks! Patapsco913 (talk) 15:22, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Robert Roberts (author) at FAC in need of reviews
Hi all, a few weeks ago I nominated Robert Roberts (author) at WP:FAC and unfortunately I've yet to have any reviews, so the nomination will be archived soon if that doesn't change soon. Roberts led an interesting life; alongside teaching illiterate adults, championing Esperanto, opposing Fascism, working on a farm and writing for the BBC, he is chiefly noted for his autobiographical/historical accounts of growing up in a working-class neighbourhood in Edwardian England. If anyone fancies taking a look at the FAC nomination page, it's here. Thanks, —Noswall59 (talk) 07:49, 14 June 2021 (UTC).

Oliver Rood
The article suggests that he was awarded the Medal of Honor for action at Gettysburg while a member of the 20th Indiana Infantry Regiment. Pv.t Rood was actually a member of the 14th Indiana at Gettysburg. He was with his regiment in a fight on the night of July 2, 1863 that resulted in Confederates being driven from East Cemetery Hill. Private Rood captured the flag of the 21st NC Regiment, although some suggest that he actually found it on the field the next morning. He joined the 20th Indiana Infantry Regiment when his enlistment in the 14th expired. That was in the fall of 1864. Thus, when his medal was issued on December 1, 1864, he was a member of the 20th Indiana, but the action for which the medal was awarded was at a time when he was a member of the 14th Indiana. This is fairly common knowledge among the Licensed Battlefield Guides at Gettysburg. I'm sorry that I do not have a more specific source.

Bill Thomas June 14, 2021 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:981:4400:9a76:841c:4d7b:5413:71af (talk) 11:54, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

3RD opinion sought
Third opinion sought on a relatively simple question at Talk:Peter_Hitchens (Hohum @ ) 16:51, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Michael Aldred source for death
Hi all. I am currently working on expanding Deaths in 1995 by adding and sourcing all articles in Category:1995 deaths. I can't find a source that verifies his date of death on 15 April 1995. Moreover, the claims about the nature of his death are sensitive, and we really should have a source for that. If anyone can help, I'd appreciate it. My ProQuest search and google books search mostly came up with sources on an ice skater of the same name. Please ping me if you find anything useful; this page is not on my watchlist. Best.4meter4 (talk) 14:44, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Unreferenced article since 2005
Johannes Antonsson has been unsourced since it was created in 2005. If anyone has time and/or interest to add references, that would be great.4meter4 (talk) 20:50, 16 June 2021 (UTC)

Created sandbox page for Anne Harper
Hello, I have a written a new sandbox page for Anne Harper located here. I have not yet added categories, as this is my first sandbox page so will need to read up on how to do this. I would like to ask others to please comment on whether article meets the [|notability criteria] and also conforms to the style guide for [|biography pages about living people]. Thank you for any suggestions. Wrennedangleterre (talk) 18:12, 18 June 2021 (UTC)

Can WikiProject Biography/Popular pages be reactivated?
--Coin945 (talk) 06:35, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Discussion at Template talk:Infobox person
You are invited to join the discussion at Template talk:Infobox person.  Spy-cicle💥  Talk? 18:59, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Jon Hammes: Early life details for review
Hello WikiProject members, I'm looking to add biographical details to the article for Milwaukee businessman, Jon Hammes, and have proposed a draft for consideration. Though it is written based on what I've seen as customary for other Wikipedia biographies, I am looking for another editor to review it because I have a COI. I am employed by Hammes Company and started my account to request edits to the article. My request is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jon_Hammes#Biographical_details_to_add

Thank you. Brad KM (talk) 21:46, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Donna Amenta


The article Donna Amenta has been proposed for deletion&#32;because of the following concern: "Seems to be a rather unremarkable scientist where the wiki page has been in need of citations for 8 years. As the one source provided on this page (which has been the only source since it's inception) is a broken link, this page defacto unsourced. I was unable to find anything meaningful about her through searching methods that could even come close to satisfying notability guidelines. There's also a list of books on the side of the page that she seems to not have written and I am not sure why they are there as they don't even seem science related? Of what I did find, she has an h-score of 5, which is quite terrible, and fails blatently at all WP:PROF guidelines, as well as WP:GNG."

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Christian Bale FAC
Hi WikiProject Biography members! This is my first time writing on here. It's great to speak with you all! I wanted to bring to your attention that I've nominated as a FAC. An Academy Award-winning English actor with a compelling career journey, Bale is known for his performance as Batman in the Dark Knight film trilogy. If I may, I would like to ask interested members to evaluate the article and leave comments on the nomination page. Any feedback would be much appreciated. Thank you very much! KyleJoan talk 11:28, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Shawn Michaels Good Article Reassessment
Shawn Michaels, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. --Whiteguru (talk) 12:37, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

RfC of interest
This RfC may be of interest to members of this group. Beyond My Ken (talk) 04:02, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Jerry Yang COI edit requests
Hi! I've posted some COI edit requests at Talk:Jerry Yang (co-founder of Yahoo). Sharing in case anyone here is interested in taking a look. Thank you for any help or feedback! Mary Gaulke (talk) 16:33, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Gianni DeCenzo
Hello, I really need help editing this page so it could be public and I also need sources for it so I'd appreciate anyone's contributions. (talk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aunsang (talk • contribs) 19:51, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

RfCs of interest

 * Wikipedia talk:WikiProject United States Presidents with Discussion of president series boxes,
 * Wikipedia talk:WikiProject United States Presidents with Discussion of vice-president series boxes. Shearonink (talk) 21:01, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

FAR for Joseph Szigeti
I have nominated Joseph Szigeti for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Hog Farm Talk 01:54, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Andre Wink
(1) Can editors check if the tag on André Wink is justified?

(2) Can the reviews of a book be covered in such extensive detail, quoting multiple lines from each?

Thanks. TrangaBellam (talk) 17:17, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Done and done; tag more than justified, article needs complete rewrite. We do not need essays of reviews, please use summary style. Kingsif (talk) 20:31, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
 * , I agree and was using a summary style. Before another editor claimed that we, as editors, cannot summarize sources lest we misrepresent them (and their context) in a BLP. I will be glad if you take some interest and help clean the article. TrangaBellam (talk) 06:19, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Is the other editor claiming a SYNTH issues (generally seen as a non-issue with reviews) or just doesn't realize that cherrypicking and framing quotations can be just as misrepresentative if someone so chooses to do that. Either way, just roll it back, pointing at every other article that has reviews if the other editor comes back. Kingsif (talk) 08:09, 20 July 2021 (UTC)