Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Brazil/Archive 1

Iguassu Falls
There's a move request going on for article Iguassu Falls at this page. Please leave your oppinion there. Mariano (t/c) 07:35, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Copersucar-Fittipaldi
Hi. Just a quick note to say that I've got an article on the Copersucar sponsored Fittipaldi Automotive motor racing team set up by double Formula One world champion Emerson Fittipaldi and his brother Wilson undergoing Peer Review at present. If anyone wants to give a more Brazilian perspective on the only Brazilian team ever to compete in the World Championship, please see here. Thanks. 4u1e

Simple English Wikipedia
Se alguém quiser contribuir também no "WikiProject Brazil" na Simple English Wikipedia, sejam bem vindos. Tem muito trabalho a ser feito. Para quem não tem um inglês fluente é uma excelente opção.

Added to the List of WikiProjects
Added WikiProject Brazil to the List_of_WikiProjects. -- Writtenonsand 13:15, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Missing articles about places in Brazil with population > 100,000
Here is a list of the remaining places in Brazil with a population of over 100,000 that still do not have articles on the English-language Wikipedia. Some of them may be alternative or mis-spelled names for existing places, in which case, please redirect to the correct article.
 * Ibirité - see this map (mapquest.com)
 * Itaboraí - see sv:Itaboraí
 * Lauro de Freitas - see pt:Lauro de Freitas
 * Maracanau - see pt:Maracanaú
 * Nilópolis - see pt:Nilópolis
 * Nossa Senhora do Socorro - see pt:Nossa Senhora do Socorro
 * Pinhais - see sv:Pinhais
 * Queimados - see sv:Queimados
 * Santa Luzia, Minas Gerais - see pt:Santa Luzia (Minas Gerais)
 * Sao José de Ribamar - see pt:São José de Ribamar
 * Sapucaia do Sul - see pt:Sapucaia do Sul
 * Vitória de Santo Antao - see pt:Vitória de Santo Antão

Project directory
Hello. The WikiProject Council has recently updated the WikiProject Council/Directory. This new directory includes a variety of categories and subcategories which will, with luck, potentially draw new members to the projects who are interested in those specific subjects. Please review the directory and make any changes to the entries for your project that you see fit. There is also a directory of portals, at User:B2T2/Portal, listing all the existing portals. Feel free to add any of them to the portals or comments section of your entries in the directory. The three columns regarding assessment, peer review, and collaboration are included in the directory for both the use of the projects themselves and for that of others. Having such departments will allow a project to more quickly and easily identify its most important articles and its articles in greatest need of improvement. If you have not already done so, please consider whether your project would benefit from having departments which deal in these matters. It is my hope that all the changes to the directory can be finished by the first of next month. Please feel free to make any changes you see fit to the entries for your project before then. If you should have any questions regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact me. Thank you. B2T2 15:33, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Mercosur Project
Greetings, I just wanted to let you know that I reserved a spot for Project Mercosur. It is basically a wikiproject on Mercosur and the countries that are part of it. Anyone interested please join, there's plenty of work to do. --Wesborland 23:56, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

WPMILHIST
A discussion is going on at WikiProject military history whether or not a South American military history task force should be created. The suggestion is currently lacking support but if you are intrested in the topic could you please go to WikiProject Military History's talk page and say you are intrested and are willing to support the taskforce so it can be created. Cheers. Kyriakos 10:58, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia Day Awards
Hello, all. It was initially my hope to try to have this done as part of Esperanza's proposal for an appreciation week to end on Wikipedia Day, January 15. However, several people have once again proposed the entirety of Esperanza for deletion, so that might not work. It was the intention of the Appreciation Week proposal to set aside a given time when the various individuals who have made significant, valuable contributions to the encyclopedia would be recognized and honored. I believe that, with some effort, this could still be done. My proposal is to, with luck, try to organize the various WikiProjects and other entities of wikipedia to take part in a larger celebrartion of its contributors to take place in January, probably beginning January 15, 2007. I have created yet another new subpage for myself (a weakness of mine, I'm afraid) at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week where I would greatly appreciate any indications from the members of this project as to whether and how they might be willing and/or able to assist in recognizing the contributions of our editors. Thank you for your attention. Badbilltucker 20:20, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Template
Does anyone know of a template for the WikiProject Brazil to put on the user page? Chico 23:40, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
 * WPBrazil, which was created by on 21 November 2006. --Eastmain 05:34, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * For the user page, not for the article. For the user page is there any?Chico 15:29, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * User WPBrazil is the userbox for the project. Speaking of which, there is no assessment either on the template or the project page. Someone who knows more about templates than me should do something.Macgreco 00:29, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Template:Airlines of Brazil
I just made the template Airlines of Brazil per a request at WP:REQT. Feel free to use it where appropriate. If you need help maintaining/improving it, leave a message on my talk page. &mdash;Dgiest c 17:26, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Project template
I have taken the Portuguese porject template and done a version of it that includes assessment of class and importance and a section of the assessment guidelines for the WPBrazil page. I would like to know if other members think it should be included. Macgreco 01:32, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Chage
The article Chage is listed on Proposed Deletion. It states, "chage is a spice that comes from the forests in brazil." Your attention is welcome. Fg2 00:39, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Luciano Huck
I just created Luciano Huck. It is currently very much a stub. http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luciano_Huck is also very small. Please add content to either or both of these. Obrigado. -- Writtenonsand 18:59, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Manual of style

 * I would like to suggest the creation of a Manual of Style for Portugal/Brazil/portuguese related subjects. This should include a simple but consistent set of rules concerning translations, place names, family names and such. your input is welcome. I think it should include things like not translating portuguese place names (Rio de Janeiro samba stadium) and keeping portuguese names in proper order (president Da Silva) among other things. I think it would improve the general presence of Portuguese/Brazilian subjects on wikipedia. Please contrinute to the discussion here: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (Portuguese-related articles) Galf 14:53, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Brazilian films
Hi!! Please can you help fill in the List of Brazilian films I am afraid it will be up for afd. I and a few other users are trying to fill the lists by country in. If you can add the details on the films already on wikipedia in year order from Category:Brailzian films and any others you know of from notable directors etc that would be a great help for WP Film sand Brazil!. THanks ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦  "Expecting you" "S.P.E.C.T.R.E" 16:52, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Pelotas, Rio Grande do Sul
I've been working on this article and I would like to hear any feedback you guys might want to offer. Thanks. Corvokarasu 21:17, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Need list of all Brazil-related categories
Can somebody please direct me to a list of all Brazil-related categories? (Or can we please create such a list if it doesn't already exist.) -- I see a list at Wikiportal/Brazil -- is this the logical place to look? This list appears to not be complete, based on the categories I see in some articles. -- Writtenonsand 15:00, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Try Category:Brazil, although the list looks like it could use some cleanup. Corvokarasu 16:35, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Bilateral relations discussion
I would like to invite you all to participate in a discussion at this thread regarding bilateral relations between two countries. All articles related to foreign relations between countries are now under the scope of WikiProject Foreign relations, a newly created project. We hope that the discussion will result in a more clean and organized way of explaining such relationships. Thank you.  Ed  ¿Cómo estás? 18:58, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Museum of the Portuguese Language
Anyone ever been to this place? I'd appreciate work on it, especially expanding the smaller sections of the article, so it could get to FA status eventually... There's a failed FA nomination linked to on the talk page with some suggestions. Grand master  ka  04:27, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

More "Brazil-footy-bio" stub types proposed
The Brazilian football biographies have become very large, and I've proposed some sub-types. Please comment there if you've a view on the most useful way of doing this. Alai 21:53, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Translating Mauá's Page
I subscribed to this project and subscribed as a translator pt-en to. So as my first job as a translator I picked Visconte de Mauá's page( Irineu Evangelista de Souza‎‎). It's a big page, so if anybody could help as a translator or a proofreader i would apreciate!(If you can help, please contact me!) PS: Is it ok for us to write in portuguese here sometimes? PS2: forgot to sign: eusourei(talk) 01:35, 22 April 2007 (UTC) I'm using a machina translation and then fixing things because the article is very big, so someone that could just read what a just wrote would be a lot of help to! eusourei(talk) 01:35, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

List of Brazil-related topics
Are members of this project aware that List of Brazil-related topics has been deleted on this AFD? I came across this while commenting on this country-level topic AFD. -- Ganeshk  ( talk ) 00:11, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmm... One would think that a nation of 180+ million would be deserving of a list of (said nation)-related topics... I think we may have to make room for a second Brazil collaboration this month... --(Ptah, the El Daoud 18:53, 2 May 2007 (UTC))

Proposed Merger
I have proposed a merger (over a duplicated Brazilian history article), which you can read about (...and vote for or against!) here: Talk:1964 Brazilian coup d'état. I would like to have a few more votes, if possible, so please head on over that way! --(Ptah, the El Daoud 18:53, 2 May 2007 (UTC))

A possible task
I am entertaining (but have taken no steps so far) the possibility of creating an entry referring to the Pope's visit to Brazil &mdash; or maybe a single article about all Papal visits, with chapters for each visit (4 in total: 3 by John Paul II and the currently ongoing visit by Benedict XVI), since the entry at the List of Pope Benedict XVI's travels is rather small (and rightfully so, since it would be too much to include too many details in such a general list). Particularly, the current visit by Benedict XVI would be the easiest to work on, since it is current, making information and even usable images easier to find (now, as opposed to trying to put this together two years from now, for instance). Thoughts? Redux 23:47, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Santa Catarina historical maps
I could find no account in the relevant articles (or in the Portuguese Wiki, for that matter) of how the expansion east of the state of Santa Catarina happened sometime at the turn of the last century (compare 1889 and 1990). It would be much appreciated if someone cleared this up. Cheers, Albrecht 05:37, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Rio de Janeiro
Hi there, fellows. I need your opinion regarding Rio de Janeiro. User:João Felipe C.S made recent changes which I think was simply flooding the article with images. So I rearranged them in a consistent way. To my surprise, my version had more images than João Felipe's version, therefore the problem it's in the way he places images. Could you please take a look and add your thoughts? Thank you. —Lesfer (t/c/@) 14:34, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Franca
Pretty much, this Brazilian city article has been expanded, but having problems with references that are not in English. Can yall try to expand it? Thanks. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 05:21, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Allegations of Brazilian apartheid
Could someone who knows something about Brazilian society have a look at Allegations of Brazilian apartheid? Should the article exist at all? &mdash;Ashley Y 21:59, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * While I am not a specialist (History teacher, not Sociologist) I think the article merits to exist because there is indeed a very marked social problem in Brazil, which is interpreted by some as akin to an apartheid. As a Brazilian I can testify that these allegations are well-known here and quite often discussed in politics and the media. We Brazilians, as a whole, do not deny the problem and the term employed here is not taken as a slur.jggouvea 22:09, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * That seems to be the consensus of the references provided in the article. Should the article be renamed "Social apartheid in Brazil" or somesuch, rather than "Allegations of..."? &mdash;Ashley Y 06:49, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Talk Page Template
What template should I use to tag articles as belonging to Wikiproject Brazil?Capitalistroadster 04:54, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Can an user manipulate Brazil article?
Since user João Felipe C.S started to manipulate the Brazil article, it lost all its credibility. The pictures posted by him do not represent Brazil in anything. I already argued here that he is trying to sell a false idea that Brazil is a copy of Northern Europe, full of blond girls walking in high-tech cities with the best education system in the world, no violence or poverty. Many users already tried to change the pictures or include new ones, but João Felipe C.S revertes them all with no justification. Can an user control what people post in an article? Why can only he post there? To me this is vandalism and João Felipe C.S should be blocked from Wikipedia. Opinoso 01:51, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I can see you are both very committed to your ideas about how the Brazil article should reflect the country. I think in some ways, both of you are right, but you and João Felipe C.S need to work together to express a shared vision of what it means to be Brazilian. There are blonde, blue-eyed Brazilians, just as there are Afro-Brazilians. There is also a sizeable Japanese-Brazilian population. They're all Brazilian and all should be reflected to some degree. Please, work together on this together, and no, I don't think either one of you should be blocked. What amazed me about Brazil while I lived there is how races are not divided the way they are in the United States. Let's not be divided here. I hope that some day race is not even a major issue; I hope one day we'll just see people, not colors. Corvokarasu 04:05, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Allegations of Brazilian apartheid
There is a proposal to merge Allegations of Brazilian apartheid into Human rights in Brazil. There is another proposal to rename the Allegations article "Social apartheid in Brazil". Please discuss these proposals at Talk:Allegations of Brazilian apartheid. Lothar of the Hill People 03:02, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Cazuza: Sexual orientation needs cite
The article on the Brazilian musician Cazuza nowhere mentions his sexual orientation, yet the article is included in WikiProject LGBT studies, as well as the categories Gay musicians and LGBT people from Brazil. Discussion at Talk:Cazuza. Can anybody provide the article with a cite or two on this? Thanks. -- Writtenonsand 11:44, 25 September 2007 (UTC) The problem, is that it SHOULD be in the article. He was a well known gay celebrity in brazil. Tufts (talk) 00:01, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Rio Carnival
I think this article needs to be covered by this project. It has no Project tag. I am sure the many Brazilians here could work to improve it, especially with photographs. Totnesmartin 18:02, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Cansei needs your help
The article Cansei (Movimento Cívico pelo Direito dos Brasileiros) is very short. Please help to improve this article. (Please remember that everything needs to be NPOV and have good cites.) - Also, the section "Personalities" of this article lists many Brazilian celebrities who are currently redlinks. We either need to make new articles for these people, or (careful!) to find existing Wikipedia articles for these people with different titles and make the redlinks redirect to them. Thanks, all! -- Writtenonsand 13:05, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Trio Elétrico
We need some opinions about "Trio Elétrico". We currently have a page at Trio Elétrico. Wikipedia style is usually to capitalize only the first word of the title, unless there is some reason not to (See Naming_conventions.) For example, Belo Horizonte is correct. Belo horizonte would be wrong. Should we move this article to Trio elétrico, or is Trio Elétrico better? -- Writtenonsand 13:21, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Academia Militar de Agulhas Negras needs your help
Academia Militar de Agulhas Negras looks like it may have been semi-translated from a Portuguese original and needs some attention: -- Writtenonsand (talk) 12:28, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * general grammar
 * cites!

Brazilian Writers
While reading an article about Drummond, I became interested in another poet, one which I could not find an article dedicated to him. I then saw the article, List of Brazilian writers, and noticed that there is way too many red links to be even partially satisfactory. I say we could definately work on this. Those who do supply help, leave a message here under this section with your name and article you edited, so we can all revise and congratulate you. Tufts (talk) 00:01, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Maria Teresa Fontela Goulart
Hi, I've just added a lot of informations on the article about First Lady Maria Teresa Fontela Goulart. Could anybody rate it for me? —Rodrigo pass 07:00, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Nelson Rodrigues
In the article on Brazilian playwright Nelson Rodrigues his first name is written with an accent on the 'e' (i.e., Nélson). As far as I can tell, Rodrigues never used this spelling in any of his many works, and he is referred to in print, be it in academia or the press, as 'Nelson Rodrigues,' without the accent. Unsure of how to change this because when users type 'Nelson Rodrigues' it is redirected to 'Nélson Rodrigues' AlexCollett (talk) 21:39, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

São Cristóvão
In the article about São Cristóvão, a city of the State of Sergipe, the following text, about economy is completely wrong: "Economy The city is a shipping port, and its main industries are sugar milling and distilling" The city is not a shipping port and one of the reasons for the changing of the State Capital to Aracaju was cause there was no big port at São Cristóvão. And the sugar cane activities finished about 1940. Today, we have sugar cane only in one farm in the north of its territory. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.71.224.226 (talk) 02:04, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Café com leite needs your help
Café com leite (the domination of Brazilian politics during the República Velha (1889-1930) by the landed gentries of São Paulo and Minas Gerais) needs cleanup. It is currently a stub, but if we eliminated repetition and rephrasing, it would be only a few sentences long. -- Writtenonsand 19:31, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

The Pixar knockoffs: The Little Cars (Os Carrinhos) and Ratatoing
I wrote the initial articles for The Little Cars (Os Carrinhos) and Ratatoing - It turns out the article for The Little Cars in the Great Race already exists. Anyhow, I found a Folha de S. Paulo about the two Pixar knockoffs, but I'm sure more articles exist about these two series. WhisperToMe (talk) 03:52, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

"Brazil is not a serious country"
The quote "Brazil is not a serious country" is generally attributed to Charles de Gaulle, however [|his article on Wikiquote] says of this quote "attributed to Carlos Alves de Souza Filho, ambassador for Brazil in France in 1963." (Does this mean that de Souza quoted de Gaulle saying this?) Can anyone please provide a definite cite for the source of this quote? -- Writtenonsand (talk) 23:55, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Barzilian Carnival
I would like to start WikiProject Brazilian Carnival. It will only focus on articles such as samba schools, famous Brazilian sambistas (such as Dudu Nobre), and all other articles related to Brazilian Carnival. -- Nadir D Steinmetz 10:38, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Varig Flight 254
The Varig Flight 254 article is in need of attention from and editor who can read Portuguese and has an understanding of civil aviation. It is currently tagged with "cleanup" and "original research", but there are a number of references in Portuguese. The information contained in those references may well reference to the information in the article, thus negating the OR tag. See also talk page for another piece of infor removed from the article which may also be valid. Mjroots (talk) 11:38, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

David Shankbone goes to Rio de Janeiro for Wikinews/Commons
Hi WikiProject Brazil. The Rio Convention and Visitors Bureau has invited me down to Rio to do some photos of Rio for Wikipedia articles, some Wikinews articles, and I have requested several interviews with some very well-known Rio-based Brazilians. If anyone has suggestions for what to photograph, or who to interview, I welcome them on my Talk page. I look forward to exploring Rio for Wikimedia. I willl be there March 5 through March 11. Dave -- David  Shankbone  02:42, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Help with a Portuguese-language source
I am working on trying to get the article on the ship USS Orizaba (ID-1536), later Duque de Caxias in the Brazilian Navy, to an A-class article. The section on its history as Duque de Caxias is based on a Google translation of a Portuguese-language webpage. I'd appreciate if someone had the time to take a look at the original webpage, here, and could verify that the citations made to it from the article are correct. Also, I tagged this article for WikiProject Brazil, but did not know what level of importance to assign to the article. What level should be assigned for this article? Thanks — Bellhalla (talk) 16:24, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Portuguese speakers needed at Milhist
You may not be aware that we've set up a logistics dept at Milhist. We desperately need linguists to help with translations of snippets, not full articles, snippets. Can you help with Portuguese? It will help globalize our sources and add non-Anglophone perspective. If so, the details are here. If you find yourself overwhelmed you can always drop out. Your participation would be ever so much appreciated ... All the best, -- R OGER D AVIES  talk 00:06, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Former states
I just came across the article Guanabara, and I noticed that there is no separate category for former/abolished/defunct/disbanded/disestablished Brazilian states. Should there be such a category? And if so, what should it be called? A ecis Brievenbus 10:27, 6 April 2008 (UTC) I think that would be an excellent addition! Former States of Brazil would be an ok name. Also another thing to do would be to expand that guanabara article it is quite small for its importance. Tufts (talk) 18:07, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Draft Guidelines for Lists of companies by country - Feedback Requested
Within WikiProject Companies I am trying to establish guidelines for all Lists of companies by country, the implementation of which would hopefully ensure a minimum quality standard and level of consistency across all of these related but currently disparate articles. The ultimate goal is the improvement of these articles to Featured List status. As a WikiProject that currently has one of these lists within your scope, I would really appreciate your feedback! You can find the draft guidelines here. Thanks for your help as we look to build consensus and improve Wikipedia! - Richc80 (talk) 21:06, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Article in need of assistance
Hello. In addressing copyright concerns listed at Copyright problems, I found that the article Porto Alegre was tagged for extensive copyright violation, primarily from this site. Although the tag was displayed near the bulk of the violating material until it was removed without explanation on June 14th, the material was not revised. The copyrighted text has been removed, along with other copyright violations introduced by the same IP contributor on the same day (in June 2007). (See diff.) Copyright is no longer a concern, but the removal of text has unbalanced the images on that article badly. I've tagged it for image clean-up, but wanted to make a note of it here in case any of you have a better eye for lay-out and design than I do. It seemed particularly like a good idea since the article is tagged as "top" importance for your project. It might also be possible for somebody with more familiarity with the topic to rewrite the information in his or her own words so that the information can be included without copyright concern. Thanks for any assistance anyone may care to provide. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 17:32, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Xuxa
I came across this article via a spelling error. It seems that the entire article is unsourced and editors are adding information willy-nilly. It could use some expert attention - not to mention, some grammatical clean-up as well. Tudo bem! -- Levine2112 discuss 02:47, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Prata (Minas Gerais)
Good Morning! I´d like to have the page I had created (and which had been taken off by an editor) about Prata (Minas Gerais). I´m not able to create it by myself so I need some help to do it. The importance of the municipality is specially caused by the discovery of fossils of the biggest dinosaur found in Brazil (you may confirm it looking for Maxakalisaurus topai in English or Portuguese)and still remains many other discoveries at that region. If anyone could help following the page Prata(Minas Gerais)in portugues I´d be very glad. Below I´m leaving the translation I´ve done. The page Prata (Minas Gerais) does exist but, as I said, has anything written cause it was erased. Thank you for you help!Katia Teixeira (talk) 15:44, 27 June 2008 (UTC) Prata – Minas Gerais Prata is a Brazilian municipal district located in the State of Minas Gerais. The city (bigger local authority in territorial extension of the Mineiro Triângulo) is situated to the edges of the BR-153 (Transbrasiliana), in the geographical centre of that important region. With the latitude of 19°18 ' 27 " south and longitude of 48°55 ' 22 " west, being to an altitude of 631 meters. Prata´s predominant climate is the semi-wet tropical, with summer rains and winter drought. The tropical climate of altitude is present in the divisor of waters between the rivers Tejuco and of the Prata, in the east of the municipal district, where the altitudes exceed the 800 m. The middle annual Temperature in the city is of 24ºC, least of 7ºC in the autumn and maxim of 40ºC in the spring. Middle annual Pluviosidade of 1.500mm. Relief and Vegetation The relief is sedimentary Plateau middling dissected in most, residual reliefs to west and fluvial plain to east. Maximum altitude: 866 m - local: Plain of the Silver (I exalt east of the municipal district in the boundary with Veríssimo). Minimum altitude: 492 m - local: Rio Verde or Feio (he/she spies with Campina Verde). The vegetation is the Savannah and tropical forest. Economical activities: Livestock (bovine, pig), Agriculture (cane of sugar, orange, soy and pineapple), Industry (dairy products, nutritious, chemistry, wood for pencil production, transformation), reforestation (pinus, eucalyptus and rubber tree). In this municipal district there were located fossils of the biggest dinosaur found in Brazil, what lived there are more than 80 million years in the region of Serra da Boa Vista, distant one around 40 km of Prata, which scientific name was called of Maxakalisaurus topai,after popular vote, it is known as DINOPRATA, the retort of the titanossauro (got on resin), with around 13 meters of length, is exposed in the Museu Nacional do Rio de Janeiro since the 28 of August of 2006. Over 10 years ago, GOLDBERG et al. (1995) have reported the occurrence of dinosaur remains in outcrops of the Adamantina Formation at the Serra da Boa Vista, situatedon the Campina Verde - Prata road, some 45km west to the Prata town, Minas Gerais State (Fig.1). Four field seasons (1998, 2000, 2001 and 2002) were organized by the Paleovertebrate Sector of the Museu Nacional and resulted in the recovery of a medium sized titanosaur sauropod. This specimen was briefly mentioned in the literature. (HENRIQUES et al., 1998; HENRIQUES et al., 2002) and is fully described here. Maxakalisaurus topai was found in an area of 40m² in a fine to medium grained reddish sandstone above a thin conglomeratic layer. Sedimentological studies indicate that those rocks were formed in a fluvial depositional environment where semi-arid condition,with dry and wet alternate periods predominated (GOLDBERG & GARCIA,2000). Fossils were not collected inadjacent areas. The assemblage comprises disarticulated bones, but the cervicals and three caudals were found partially articulated. Among the recovered elements are an incomplete jaw with the last five preserved alveoli, the first four of which still bearing teeth, sternal plates, vertebrae, transverse processes,chevrons, ribs and limb bones.Except for two extra sternal plates, and a distal end of a right scapula, that belong to a second animal attributed to Maxakalisaurus topai, and one caudal vertebra that may or may not pertain tothis species (see discussion), the bones recovered were closely associated. In the lack of more evidence, we consider those bones as belonging to the same individual(MN 5013-V). As far as comparison is possible, there is no size discrepancy among the recovered elements. Some isolated vertebral centra and neural arches suggest that this was a still young animal at time of death, with bones relatively more fragile. Maxakalisaurus topai bones were recovered along with several isolated theropod and crocodylomorph teeth, turtle elements and some small non-dinosaurian hollow bones. Bioturbation is present in several levels, sometimes in close connection with the dinosaur elements.Type species – Maxakalisaurus topai new species, type by monotypy. Etymology – The generic name is formed by Maxakali, from one of the Macro-jê stock language, honoring the Maxakali ethnic group that is present in the Minas Gerais State where this dinosaur was found, and saurus, which is the Greek word for lizard,commonly assigned to fossil reptiles. Text taken from Boletim do Museu Nacional - GEOLOGIA No 74 - 11 DE AGOSTO DE 2006 by ALEXANDER W. A. KELLNER 2, 3, 4 DIOGENES DE ALMEIDA CAMPOS 3, 5 SERGIO A. K. de AZEVEDO 2, 3, 6 MARCELO N. F. TROTTA 2, 7 DEISE D. R. HENRIQUES 2 MAUREEN M. T. CRAIK 2, 8. HELDER DE PAULA SILVA 2, 9

Articles flagged for cleanup
Currently, 1170 of the articles assigned to this project, or 11.9%, are flagged for cleanup of some sort. (Data as of 2008-06-18.) Are you interested in finding out more? I am offering to generate cleanup to-do lists on a project or work group level. See User:B. Wolterding/Cleanup listings for details. Subsribing is easy - just add a template to your project page. If you want to respond to this canned message, please do so at my user talk page. --B. Wolterding (talk) 17:23, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Changes to the WP:1.0 assessment scheme
As you may have heard, we at the Wikipedia 1.0 Editorial Team recently made some changes to the assessment scale, including the addition of a new level. The new description is available at WP:ASSESS. Each WikiProject should already have a new C-Class category at Category:C-Class_articles. If your project elects not to use the new level, you can simply delete your WikiProject's C-Class category and clarify any amendments on your project's assessment/discussion pages. The bot is already finding and listing C-Class articles. Please leave a message with us if you have any queries regarding the introduction of the revised scheme. This scheme should allow the team to start producing offline selections for your project and the wider community within the next year. Thanks for using the Wikipedia 1.0 scheme! For the 1.0 Editorial Team, §hepBot  ( Disable )  22:13, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The new C-Class represents articles that are beyond the basic Start-Class, but which need additional references or cleanup to meet the standards for B-Class.
 * The criteria for B-Class have been tightened up with the addition of a rubric, and are now more in line with the stricter standards already used at some projects.
 * A-Class article reviews will now need more than one person, as described here.

Images
There are a bunch of free images of Brazilian politicians that can be found here: http://piko.la/fist. These can be uploaded to commons. Cheers, JACO  PLANE  • 2008-07-24 19:01

Royce Gracie pronunciation
An anon removed "pronounced Hoyce Gracie" from the Royce Gracie article yesterday (diff). He/she said "Portuguese is m native language and I can guarantee his name is not pronounced as Hoyce . In portuguese, the sound of "R" in the beginning of a word is the same as in german "ch" and spanish "j". I was under the impression "Hoyce" was pretty close. Any comments? -- aktsu (t / c) 05:54, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * You are right. --LipeFontoura (talk) 02:54, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll readd it to the article then. Thanks! --Aktsu (t / c) 05:19, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Ana Caram
New article stub; someone may want to expand it. Cheers! &mdash; •KvЯt GviЯnЭlБ•  Speak!  05:42, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Carmen Miranda Featured Sounds
Two Carmen Miranda songs have been promoted to featured status:

I'm not sure if any others are early enough to fall out of copyright, unfortunately. However, we'd love to have more Brazillian featured sounds, so feel free to nominate some at WP:FSC! Shoemaker&#39;s Holiday (talk) 20:35, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Deletion discussion
Please see Articles for deletion/Afghan British (contains proposal for deletion of the Brazilian British article). Badagnani (talk) 05:03, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia 0.7 articles have been selected for Brazil
Wikipedia 0.7 is a collection of English Wikipedia articles due to be released on DVD, and available for free download, later this year. The Version 1.0 Editorial Team has made an automated selection of articles for Version 0.7. We would like to ask you to review the articles selected from this project. These were chosen from the articles with this project's talk page tag, based on the rated importance and quality. If there are any specific articles that should be removed, please let us know at Wikipedia talk:Version 0.7. You can also nominate additional articles for release, following the procedure at Release Version Nominations. A list of selected articles with cleanup tags, sorted by project, is available. The list is automatically updated each hour when it is loaded. Please try to fix any urgent problems in the selected articles. A team of copyeditors has agreed to help with copyediting requests, although you should try to fix simple issues on your own if possible. We would also appreciate your help in identifying the version of each article that you think we should use, to help avoid vandalism or POV issues. These versions can be recorded at this project's subpage of User:SelectionBot/0.7. We are planning to release the selection for the holiday season, so we ask you to select the revisions before October 20. At that time, we will use an automatic process to identify which version of each article to release, if no version has been manually selected. Thanks! For the Wikipedia 1.0 Editorial team, SelectionBot 22:41, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Méier
Please help me try to fix Méier. I do not know Portuguese, so I do not know exactly how to translate some stuff. WhisperToMe (talk) 17:41, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Thiago Jotta da Silva on PT?
Who wants to write an article about Thiago Jotta da Silva on PT? WhisperToMe (talk) 15:23, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Latin American cinema task force
A Latin American cinema task force has been proposed at WP:FILMS, which would include the cinema of Brazil. Interested editors are encouraged to sign up - if there is enough interest, then the task force will be created! Many thanks, Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 20:29, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Help request: 705 Brazil-related articles needing geographical coordinates
Based on a search of Wikipedia's articles related to Brazil, I've found some articles that I believe are about places in Brazil, and could usefully have geographical coordinates added. The articles in question are listed in Category:Brazil articles missing geocoordinate data. At the time of writing, some examples included: ...and there are many more, as well. At the time of posting this notice, there were 705 articles in this category needing geographical coordinates.
 * 1) Church of Saint Francis of Assisi (Ouro Preto)
 * 2) Chuvisca
 * 3) Divino, Minas Gerais
 * 4) Grande River
 * 5) Guabiju
 * 6) Paranã River
 * 7) Roosevelt River

Why add coordinates?
By adding coordinates, a Wikipedia reader can easily view the location on a street map, nautical chart, topographic map, by satellite photo, realtime weather map, and in many other ways. Coordinate data makes an article eventually appear in various services such as Google Maps' Wikipedia overlay, Google Earth, and Wikipedia's own internal map service. Coordinate data also helps readers looking for geographically-based data, such as locations near a reference point, or related information.

How can I do it?
The articles are all marked with coord missing tags, which need to be replaced with coord tags that contain the location's latitude/longitude coordinates; or you might be able to add coordinates to an existing infobox. You can find out how to do this at the Geocoding how-to for WikiProject members. Please let me know if this is useful, or if you have any questions! -- The Anome (talk) 09:47, 24 October 2008 (UTC) I want to improve this portal but why is this portal named the way it is ? Isn't suppose to be Portal: Agriculture and can we change it ? Bewareofdog 00:39, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

A good record chart? Anywhere?
The Brazil Hot 100 has been listed on WP:BADCHARTS, which means that eventually every reference to it will be deleted from Wikipedia. I would much rather have a valid chart to replace it with ... there seem to be about 50 songs that only charted on the Hot 100 Brazil, which means that if I delete the chart from the article, I have to take away the article, too. Unfortunately, I can't find a single good Brazilian chart that meets the requirements laid down in WP:RS and WP:Record charts. In short, it: I'm leaving the Brazilian songs for last, but I should be getting to them soon. I hope someone can suggest a replacement before then.&mdash;Kww(talk) 19:12, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Has to be traceable to some reputable organisation.
 * Has to incorporate reports from multiple vendors (so no charts by single radio stations, single networks, single stores, MTV, VH1, iTunes)
 * Should have some kind of archive. This isn't required by either guideline, but it's the only practical thing. If there is no archive, I can't look up the numbers to insert in the articles.

2008 Brazilian Grand Prix
Don't know how interested you guys would be, but the above article was recently promoted to FA status. Aptery gial  00:50, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It's not particulary important to this Wikiproject, but it's always nice to get some more related articles to FA status. =) JoshRhi (talk) 21:41, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Question about categories
User:Livna-Maor is claiming that WikiProject Brazil is not using templates on talk-pages to track categories. I find it very odd since there are a whole lot of categories tagged, but I thought I'd check here before reverting. Is this something you have discussed or something he is doing on his own? Pax:Vobiscum (talk) 21:15, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * No they aren't used, if you look most of the templates were added by a bot, not a user. JoshRhi (talk) 21:32, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It's obvious that the project at some point wanted categories included (just look at the assesment instructions) so whether a bot or an editor added the tags isn't relevant. If this was a group decision I'd be happy to help delete the tags, but I see no trace of such a discussion. Pax:Vobiscum (talk) 21:43, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * They have never been usefull to this Wikiproject, and this project has had a backlog of thousands of pages for years, it will be good to finally cut it down. JoshRhi (talk) 21:53, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't know what your problem here is, but these pages are useless, and were being deleted steadily, you're the only person who has taken objection and you aren't even part of this Wikiproject! JoshRhi (talk) 21:55, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Both Livne-Maor and JoshRhi have now been blocked for sockpuppeting. Pax:Vobiscum (talk) 11:00, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

language review
hello! please could someone review english language of both articles listed bellow? i am not fluent in english but i thougth that some info on specific topics about brazilian art would be a nice add for wiki-en. thanks in advance! Ricardofrantz (talk) 14:50, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Painting in Brazil
 * Sculpture in Brazil

"Culture" section
Someone added a section of "Culture" to many articles on Brazilian cities, all of them containing the same text and picture. It can be considered a nice addition, but (no offense to the editor) I think it is quite ridiculous to make it sound like Festa Junina and Carnaval are the same in all Brazilian cities. Some small but significant differences may occur. I did some cleanup in a couple of articles, but I don't know how to really improve the sections by adding regional information, and I don't want to simply erase all of them instead of making them better. Victor Lopes (talk) 20:40, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Rede Globo
The Rede Globo article needs a lot of work in History section.
 * NPOV balancing about early years there are serious left-wing pov pushing there.
 * The Globo Standard Quality idealized by Walter Clark that pushed brazilian tv to international standards.
 * The influence on brazilian society its cultural hegemony as a de facto mainstream media in Brazil.
 * The close relationship with japanese companies such as NEC and Sony the fact that Sony Corporation developed an exclusive portable VT system is worth noting.

White Brazilian
Hey all. There's an edit war going on between two users on White Brazilian, and it's at the point where a simple third opinion just isn't enough. Can one or more of you go take a look at the talk page and give some help? Thanks. &mdash;  Hello Annyong  (say whaaat?!) 15:39, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Capitão Iglo?
Just so we can firmly contradict the person who has been persistently vandalising Captain Iglo: when Birdseye/Iglo advertise in Brazil do they use this lovable old sailor and if so, what is his name? &mdash; RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 02:56, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
 * To be honest, I've never seen it. And the text in the reference given by that vandal doesn't make much sense. Victor Lopes (talk) 03:18, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Coordinators' working group
Hi! I'd like to draw your attention to the new WikiProject coordinators' working group, an effort to bring both official and unofficial WikiProject coordinators together so that the projects can more easily develop consensus and collaborate. This group has been created after discussion regarding possible changes to the A-Class review system, and that may be one of the first things discussed by interested coordinators. All designated project coordinators are invited to join this working group. If your project hasn't formally designated any editors as coordinators, but you are someone who regularly deals with coordination tasks in the project, please feel free to join as well. &mdash; Delievered by §hepBot  ( Disable )  on behalf of the WikiProject coordinators' working group at 04:59, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Botocudo
Please see my note at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Anthropology. --Pjacobi (talk) 09:29, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Eugênia Câmara
Between which years was Eugênia Câmara active on stage in Brazil and Portugal? She is described as very famous, but her article is very poor. --Aciram (talk) 19:37, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

A-Class review for Brazilian battleship Minas Gerais now open
An A-Class review for BRAZILIAN BATTLESHIP Minas Gerais has been opened at the Military history WikiProject; all interested editors, including non-MILHIST members, are invited to participate and any input there would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, — Ed 17  (Talk /  Contribs)  01:40, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

New Page
Hey, I don't think the creator of the page did this, so I figured I'll do it for him. There is a new page about Brazil's efforts during WWI. It's still needs some expanding and sources, please help, (also, assess the article). Brazil during World War I. Thanks. Deavenger (talk) 03:16, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Featured article candidacy for Brazilian battleship Minas Gerais now open
The featured article candidacy for Brazilian battleship Minas Gerais is now open. Comments from reviewers are needed to help determine whether the article meets the criteria for featured articles; all editors are invited to participate, and any input there would be appreciated! Thanks! — Ed 17  (Talk /  Contribs)  04:32, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Mamonas Assassinas
I would like to add lyrics with their translation. Any opinions about it? (Borboletalila (talk) 20:38, 15 April 2009 (UTC))
 * Actually, it sounds quite unencyclopedic. Maybe some portions of some lyrics should be enough to illustrate the lyrical content of the band. In addition, I think the best place to discuss this is at Talk:Mamonas Assassinas. Victão Lopes  I hear you... 21:32, 16 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Lyrics are almost always under copyright, and music companies usually fight pretty hard to prevent unauthorized reproduction. -- 201.37.230.43 (talk) 00:20, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Need to merge Chibata Revolt and Revolt of the Whip
We need to merge Chibata Revolt and Revolt of the Whip. Please preserve the information and sources in both articles. -- 201.37.230.43 (talk) 23:37, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

"Brazilian names" needs own article
Although we have many articles on names in different countries (see Given_name), we apparently don't have an article on Brazilian names. Brazilian name redirects to Portuguese name. Although Portugal was presumably the biggest influence on Brazil, and Portuguese the most influential language, Brazilian names have been influenced by important factors that haven't operated in Portugal. Brazilian names really should have their own article. -- 201.37.230.43 (talk) 17:43, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Tião Carreiro & Pardinho
Could someone please take a look at Tião Carreiro & Pardinho? The article asserts notability but I think that it needs major work. It's been a stub for quite some time now. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Many otters • One hammer • HELP) 12:35, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

City of Rock desperately needs your help
Can anybody do anything with City of Rock?? Article is really terrible right now. -- 201.37.230.43 (talk) 18:48, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

mormon temple in Sao Paulo
There is a Mormon temple in Sao Paulo. Should the article belong to this WikiProject? LDS-SPA1000 (talk) 18:42, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

mormon temple in Recife
There is a Mormon temple in Recife. Should the article belong to this WikiProject? LDS-SPA1000 (talk) 17:36, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

mormon temple in Porto Alegre
There is a Mormon temple in Porto Alegre. Should the article belong to this WikiProject? LDS-SPA1000 (talk) 17:39, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

mormon temple in Campinas
There is a Mormon temple in Campinas. Should the article belong to this WikiProject? LDS-SPA1000 (talk) 17:58, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

mormon temple in Curitiba
There is a Mormon temple in Curitiba. Should the article belong to this WikiProject? LDS-SPA1000 (talk) 19:15, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Category:People from [CITY/STATE NAME]
After coming across multiple Brazilian people articles, I happened to notice that only half of them are categorized according to the place of birth. I would like to request the members of WP:BR to categorize, when possible, every Brazilian biographical article they find or create, using the categories found at Category:People by state in Brazil and its subcategories. Thank you, Victão Lopes  I hear you... 03:35, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Proposal for a 200-WikiProject contest
A proposal has been posted for a contest between all 200 country WikiProjects. We're looking for judges, coordinators, ideas, and feedback.

The Transhumanist 00:39, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

GA Sweeps invitation
This message is being sent to WikiProjects with GAs under their scope. Since August 2007, WikiProject Good Articles has been participating in GA sweeps. The process helps to ensure that articles that have passed a nomination before that date meet the GA criteria. After nearly two years, the running total has just passed the 50% mark. In order to expediate the reviewing, several changes have been made to the process. A new worklist has been created, detailing which articles are left to review. Instead of reviewing by topic, editors can consider picking and choosing whichever articles they are interested in.

We are always looking for new members to assist with reviewing the remaining articles, and since this project has GAs under its scope, it would be beneficial if any of its members could review a few articles (perhaps your project's articles). Your project's members are likely to be more knowledgeable about your topic GAs then an outside reviewer. As a result, reviewing your project's articles would improve the quality of the review in ensuring that the article meets your project's concerns on sourcing, content, and guidelines. However, members can also review any other article in the worklist to ensure it meets the GA criteria.

If any members are interested, please visit the GA sweeps page for further details and instructions in initiating a review. If you'd like to join the process, please add your name to the running total page. In addition, for every member that reviews 100 articles from the worklist or has a significant impact on the process, s/he will get an award when they reach that threshold. With ~1,300 articles left to review, we would appreciate any editors that could contribute in helping to uphold the quality of GAs. If you have any questions about the process, reviewing, or need help with a particular article, please contact me or OhanaUnited and we'll be happy to help. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 22:39, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I would like to join the WikiProject Brazil. I have written the new article on de Sao Francisco river in Dutch and in English, but the English version still needs som tidying up, which I will do tomorrow. I live in Suriname, bordering Brazil and have been traveling in Brazil four times and have come to love an have esteem for Brazil. 17:37, 21 May 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Koenraadt (talk • contribs)

Yes, I would like to join the WikiProject Brazil. I have written the new article on de Sao Francisco river in Dutch and in English, but the English version still needs som tidying up, which I will do tomorrow. I live in Suriname, bordering Brazil and have been traveling in Brazil four times and have come to love an have esteem for Brazil. 17:39, 21 May 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Koenraadt (talk • contribs)

Portuguese language schools in Joao Pessoa
Do you know of any Portuguese language schools in Joao Pessoa for English-speakers? Thanks much. Delfinazul (talk) 19:14, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Saint Peter and Paul Rocks and Fernando de Noronha
Dear WP Brazil,

In light of current events, would someone be able to help in adding citations and cleaning up the red links on these two articles, because several of the references are in Portuguese and translation help is needed? Thanks much! --Funandtrvl (talk) 16:09, 2 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I made some changes to both articles. I added an infobox, location map, and refs. I also moved the article Saint Peter and Paul Rocks to Saint Peter and Saint Paul Archipelago (the island's official name), and added info on the Brazilian Navy's research station on the SPSPA. Limongi (talk) 23:07, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Eduardo Paes
The Air France Flight 447 article states that the mayor of Rio de Janeiro died in the crash. The Rio article states that the mayor is Eduardo Paes, but that article doesn't state that he has died. Can anyone confirm that this is the correct person? (copied at WP Bio) Mjroots (talk) 05:26, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe this is it? It says that Aldair Gomes, the father of Marcelo Parente, who was the head of the Rio mayor's Cabinet office, said he had been holding out hope for his son until Tuesday's announcement. --Funandtrvl (talk) 07:44, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Porto Jofre
Can someone add more information about the city? Texcarson (talk) 22:00, 6 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the help, rapazes, i really appreciated that. Texcarson (talk) 01:32, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

WPBrazil
What about renaming the banner to WikiProject Brazil (standardized)? SkyBonTalk\Contributions 22:27, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

New Template
I created Template:Brazil_topic modeled after Template:United States topic. Feel free to test it out and edit it if you see something that needs changing. Kmusser (talk) 14:36, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

A-Class review for Military of the Empire of Brazil now open
An A-Class review for Military of the Empire of Brazil has been opened; all interested editors are invited to participate and any input there would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, - --Lecen (talk) 19:57, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

A-Class review for Economy of the Empire of Brazil now open
An A-Class review for Economy of the Empire of Brazil has been opened; all interested editors are invited to participate and any input there would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, - --Lecen (talk) 19:59, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

InterWikimedia links
I edited WikiProject Brazil (project page), adding InterWikimedia links to other Brazil related projects.  Li mon gi  (talk) 18:42, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Transportation and telecommunications
The articles about transport and telecommunications in Brazil need a lot of work, specially the latter. Both have few (if any) prose and references, and more information could be added. I would do it myself, if I was familiar enough with this subjet. Thank you, Victão Lopes  I hear you... 19:41, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Brazilian Catholic Apostolic Church GA Sweeps: On Hold
I have reviewed Brazilian Catholic Apostolic Church for GA Sweeps to determine if it still qualifies as a Good Article. In reviewing the article I have found several issues, which I have detailed here. Since the article falls under the scope of this project, I figured you would be interested in contributing to further improve the article. Please comment there to help the article maintain its GA status. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 05:17, 15 July 2009 (UTC)