Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cambodia/Archive 2

article assessment
I just assessed about 400 or 500 articles to kickstart the classification system. I'm not an expert so if you want to change any of my best guesses, feel free. Calliopejen1 (talk) 22:53, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Tourism industry spam problem
I just want to give everybody a "heads up" on my intentions. All of the articles related to Cambodia appear to have been infiltrated (in some cases written entirely) by representatives of the tourism industry. I'm not just talking about the external links. The article on Siem Reap, for example, mentions the number of hotels in the town in the lead paragraph and almost every province article has the sentence "...has become a major tourist destination" in the lead. Other articles are almost entirely made up of list of "tourist attractions" with subjective terms like "beautiful lake", "luxurious white sandy shores", etc.

No other country's articles are written like this. If tourism is important to an area it needs to be described in an encyclopedic manner in the appropriate section (usually "economy") and not read as a tourist brochure. I plan to remove all such content on sight and would appreciate any help/cooperation.--William Thweatt Talk | Contribs 16:52, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Development of province articles
I would like to see an effort by this project (if anybody is still participating) to develop the province articles. They have been rated as "high importance" to the project yet most remain as stubs. I have begun with Ratanakiri Province, adding substantial content, wikification, removing spam, and adding some source material/references. It still needs a lot more work to be comprehensive (history of province, more cited refs, etc.). Most effective wikiprojects have organized efforts, what does everyone think about making the development of the province articles our first organized effort?--William Thweatt Talk | Contribs 16:52, 28 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Wow, either nobody looks at this page anymore or nobody's on board with my idea. Some feedback would be nice. :) --William Thweatt Talk | Contribs 22:39, 4 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree this should be a priority. I'm happy to help and would like to start with Koh Kong Province. It would be helpful to use this section you have started here to share resources and to develop some continuity in the organisation of articles on the provinces and their districts. Civilaffairs (talk) 16:26, 21 April 2008 (UTC)Civilaffairs
 * I just did an enormous expansion of the Ratanakiri Province article. There are many great resources I discovered that should help with information for all provinces, especially the provincial data bank and the official tourist sites (check the sources at the bottom of the article). Mangostar (talk) 12:44, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Magostar. Great job on Ratanakiri, by the way.  Your resources will certainly be a big help to us all.  The problem I had right away with Koh Kong Province was that the latest population figures for some of the districts were from 1998.  I looked at some sites where statisticians argued that later population estimates for these districts were extremely unreliable, and they seemed to have very good points. That left me with the question of whether to use 1998 figures or go with unreliable estimates.  I wondered if other provinces/districts had similar problems and, if so, how we would find a consistent approach to presenting population figures.Civilaffairs (talk) 15:30, 1 May 2008 (UTC)Civilaffairs
 * I don't know. I included an estimate for 2004 for the overall population, because I figured 10 years is quite out of date.... There is a census happening in this year (they're every 10 years), so if we just wait a bit the problem will resolve itself. Mangostar (talk) 14:56, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I guess it's true that great minds think alike because that is what I was thinking, too (grin). At the time I looked at province articles which had been filled out a bit, I didn't see one that had population figures at all, and I wanted to be consistent with other provinces when giving population figures.  I may have to use 1998 figures for Koh Kong districts and villages, and then note the 2004 estimate for the overall province or something like that.  Thanks again for your help.  Civilaffairs (talk) 15:16, 2 May 2008 (UTC)Civilaffairs

Thai naming of a Khmer temple
May I draw the attention of a user with knowledge in Khmer script to Talk:Sdok Kak Thom. We are unsure, where the name of Sdok Kak Thom (or "Sadok Kok Thom"?) - an old Khmer temple in Thailand - originates. And could maybe someone provide us with a Khmer script of that name? Thank you. --hdamm (talk) 13:28, 20 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I am not Cambodian and fear I have forgot most what little I once knew of the Khmer script and language. Good question about where the name originates.  Chandler's book refers to the inscription quite a few times, but I have not been able to find in his book where the name actually originates.  (It may be in there, but I just have not found it.)


 * "Sdok" (Sdach, Sadok, etc) translates as "king". "Thom" of course means "great" or "big".  "Kak" I am not sure of.  I gave away all my old Khmer books to a Cambodian family here in the States who wanted to teach their children to read and write Khmer, so I can't look it up easily.  I'm guessing it may simply translate as "The Great Kings" or "About the Great Kings" or something like that, and be the "title" of the inscription rather than having any special origin.  But that is only a guess.


 * I hope someone more helpful than I will turn up for you. If not, you might try emailing Dr. Chhany Sak-Humphry at the University of Hawaii: email address given for inquiries about the Sdok Kak Thom inscription at the bottom of this page. Civilaffairs (talk) 18:39, 20 May 2008 (UTC)Civilaffairs


 * Thank you very much, Civilaffairs, for your contribution. So your translation is one more aspect of several others (see article and talk page) ;-)
 * We would also like to know the original Khmer script. --hdamm (talk) 16:04, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Draft Guidelines for Lists of companies by country - Feedback Requested
Within WikiProject Companies I am trying to establish guidelines for all Lists of companies by country, the implementation of which would hopefully ensure a minimum quality standard and level of consistency across all of these related but currently disparate articles. The ultimate goal is the improvement of these articles to Featured List status. As a WikiProject that currently has one of these lists within your scope, I would really appreciate your feedback! You can find the draft guidelines here. Thanks for your help as we look to build consensus and improve Wikipedia! - Richc80 (talk) 21:09, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Peer review please!
Hi everyone, I think I may try for FA with Ratanakiri Province soon. I put it up for comments at Peer review/Ratanakiri Province/archive1; if you have any feedback, please post there! thanks, Mangostar (talk) 20:51, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Help with Cambodia cities/towns/villages and their disambiguation.
Greetings! There is a proposal to organize a bot in order to create thousands upon thousands (if not eventually -- a million) articles related to villages/towns/cities from around the world. Cambodia is also a part of this and there is a list of places from Cambodia found here: WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles/Places/cambodia. Currently however, before the project can begin, the list of places need to be checked for disambiguation. That is, there are some blue links already created and they need to be checked to ensure that they are in fact already the created cityand not a disambiguation page. This is needed as the bot will not be able to create the place if there is already a blue link and if its a disambiguation page, then that place (be it a city, village or town) will miss out. That is why I ask anyone here from this project who has some time or knowledge of Cambodia to have a look and help if they want in any way they can. As a side note, there is also a discussion going on here at the village pump: Village pump (proposals)/FritzpollBot and you are more than welcome to state your views on it. There is also a FAQ that you may have a look at User:FritzpollBot/FAQ but if you have any question do get in contact with Fritzpoll here User talk:Fritzpoll or with Biofield here User talk:Blofeld of SPECTRE. Kind regards.Calaka (talk) 04:57, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Samouth and Sothea
Since this concerns at least two articles, both with almost empty talk pages, I thought I should raise this issue here. Here are two quotes from the two respective articles.

Widely considered the "King of Khmer music", Samouth, along with Ros Sereysothea, Pan Ron, and other artists, was part of a thriving pop music scene in Phnom Penh that blended elements of Khmer traditional music with the sounds of rhythm and blues and rock and roll to make a Westernized sound akin to psychedelic or garage rock.

Her high, clear voice, coupled with the rock backing bands featuring prominent, distortion-laden lead guitars, pumping organ and loud, driving drums, made for an intense, sometimes haunting sound that is best described today as psychedelic or garage rock.

Now, I think both of these quotes suggest that these people made nothing but rock music and specifically psychedelic and garage rock. I'm no expert on old Cambodian pop music, but I think I can say positively that that's very wrong. While the songs in, say, City of Ghosts were indeed mostly of this type, and it would seem that these are the most popular ones in the West, just browsing through various online sites shows that both musicians worked in a large variety of genres that existed at the time. Indeed, I have yet to come across anything sung by Sinn Sisamouth that could be remotely described as garage rock.--Anonymous44 (talk) 18:07, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Buddhist nuns of Cambodia
I am a bit confused about (caption: "Buddhist nun. Angkor Wat, Siem Reap, Cambodia"). As a frequent visitor of Thailand, the person in this photo reminds me rather of a Mae Chi than of a Bhikkhuni? My questions: are there also mae chi in Cambodia? If yes, do they also wear white robes like they do in Thailand? If yes, then the description "nun" would not be very correct?

Another question: What about bhikkhuni? Are there bhikkhuni in Cambodia? Thank you. --hdamm (talk) 14:27, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Changes to the WP:1.0 assessment scheme
As you may have heard, we at the Wikipedia 1.0 Editorial Team recently made some changes to the assessment scale, including the addition of a new level. The new description is available at WP:ASSESS.
 * The new C-Class represents articles that are beyond the basic Start-Class, but which need additional references or cleanup to meet the standards for B-Class.
 * The criteria for B-Class have been tightened up with the addition of a rubric, and are now more in line with the stricter standards already used at some projects.
 * A-Class article reviews will now need more than one person, as described here.

Each WikiProject should already have a new C-Class category at Category:C-Class_articles. If your project elects not to use the new level, you can simply delete your WikiProject's C-Class category and clarify any amendments on your project's assessment/discussion pages. The bot is already finding and listing C-Class articles.

Please leave a message with us if you have any queries regarding the introduction of the revised scheme. This scheme should allow the team to start producing offline selections for your project and the wider community within the next year. Thanks for using the Wikipedia 1.0 scheme! For the 1.0 Editorial Team, §hepBot  ( Disable )  22:12, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Dracontomelon
Need Khmer name at Dracontomelon. Badagnani (talk) 01:11, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Articles flagged for cleanup
Currently, 1107 articles are assigned to this project, of which 167, or 15.1%, are flagged for cleanup of some sort. (Data as of 2008-07-14.) Are you interested in finding out more? I am offering to generate cleanup to-do lists on a project or work group level. See User:B. Wolterding/Cleanup listings for details. More than 150 projects and work groups have already subscribed, and adding a subscription for yours is easy - just place a template on your project page.

If you want to respond to this canned message, please do so at my user talk page; I'm not watching this page. --B. Wolterding (talk) 18:19, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Bi pong moun
Could someone familiar with Cambodian cuisine have a look at Bi pong moun and confirm whether it is a genuinely notable Cambodian dish; it's currently up for deletion at WP:Articles for deletion/Bi pong moun but most (all?) of us aren't in a position to check Khmer-language sources. – iride  scent  19:06, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia 0.7 articles have been selected for Cambodia
Wikipedia 0.7 is a collection of English Wikipedia articles due to be released on DVD, and available for free download, later this year. The Version 1.0 Editorial Team has made an automated selection of articles for Version 0.7.

We would like to ask you to review the articles selected from this project. These were chosen from the articles with this project's talk page tag, based on the rated importance and quality. If there are any specific articles that should be removed, please let us know at Wikipedia talk:Version 0.7. You can also nominate additional articles for release, following the procedure at Release Version Nominations.

A list of selected articles with cleanup tags, sorted by project, is available. The list is automatically updated each hour when it is loaded. Please try to fix any urgent problems in the selected articles. A team of copyeditors has agreed to help with copyediting requests, although you should try to fix simple issues on your own if possible.

We would also appreciate your help in identifying the version of each article that you think we should use, to help avoid vandalism or POV issues. These versions can be recorded at this project's subpage of User:SelectionBot/0.7. We are planning to release the selection for the holiday season, so we ask you to select the revisions before October 20. At that time, we will use an automatic process to identify which version of each article to release, if no version has been manually selected. Thanks! For the Wikipedia 1.0 Editorial team, SelectionBot 23:02, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Removals from List of Cambodian Americans
Please look in at Talk:List of Cambodian Americans. An editor has stated that s/he does not believe that an American individual of half Thai and half Cambodian ancestry may be considered a Cambodian American. In this edit, s/he removed this individual from the article. Attention and comment from knowledgeable editors would be greatly appreciated. Badagnani (talk) 06:13, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Someones Messing with the Actors Tag
Kind of new to Wikipedia but someone is messing with a tag so if someone could revert it back it would be highly appreciated. An example of this problem can be found on Vichara Dany and all the way at the bottom is displays "LOL I LUV RINA!!!". —Preceding unsigned comment added by LionheartPnshmnt (talk • contribs) 07:18, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Cambodian articles missing geographic coordinates
Many articles about places in Cambodia are missing geographic coordinates; you can find an up-to-date list of them in the category Category:Cambodia articles missing geocoordinate data. There are currently 413 articles listed in that category.

By providing these articles with geographic coordinates, you can help other editors locate them on maps and in geographic information systems, and help readers find the articles more easily when using geographically-aware search systems such as Google Maps or location-aware GPS phone browsers.

These articles are currently marked with coord missing templates, which need replacing with filled in coord templates containing their latitude/longitude data. Alternatively, you may want to add the geographic coordinates to infoboxes instead, prior to removing the coord missing template. You can find out how to do this at the Geocoding how-to for WikiProject members. -- The Anome (talk) 14:40, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

A spate of Nationalism...
... someone has been adding the WP:CAM project tag to various Thai and Viet articles. I've removed a few and Andy from the Thai Wikiproject has killed a few more. Please keep an eye out for rogue non-Cambodian articles in Cambodian categories. The last thing we need with all the border dramas is someone to say the Khmer want Isan back! --Paxse (talk) 16:29, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Cleaning house
Thanks to the amazing User:WolterBot we now have bot generated cleanup listings for all project articles. See WikiProject Cambodia/Cleanup listing for lists sorted according to number and type of clean up tag. I'm working on the orphan articles and have fixed about half. Feel free to help out. If you do fix some articles, please drop a note on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cambodia/Cleanup listing to let others know where you've been. This will prevent duplication of effort. Unfortunately, the bot runs very infrequently - perhaps very 2/3 months - so the list will not be rapidly updated. Cheers, Paxse (talk) 12:09, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Time for some Good Articles?
Our assessments now show over 1200 Cambodia project articles. This is an amazing improvement from 300 odd articles a year or two ago when the project started. However, out of all of these, only one article is a GA, Rattanakiri Province - thanks to User:Calliopejen1.

I'm interested in getting a couple of the high traffic Cambodia articles up to at least GA status, perhaps further. I think Pol Pot and Phnom Penh are two of the most popular articles we have by page hits. One is B class and the other is C class. I'm planning to work on both over the coming months. So, I'm suggesting Pol Pot and Phnom Penh as the first two collaborations for Wikiproject Cambodia. Anyone who would like to help out would be greatly appreciated. All assistance, suggestions for improvements etc. are welcome. Cheers, (and happy New Year) Paxse (talk) 19:42, 30 December 2008 (UTC)