Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Canoeing and Kayaking/Archive 1

Template Poll (closed)
We are currently holding a poll for our two templates; and. If you want to vote for one of these pictures below, please do so by typing your vote in the appropriate subsection. The picture candidates are listed below.

Votes for the template

 * I vote for the "Sea_Kayaking_Wilsons_Promontory.jpg" image as I reckon it portrays kayaking in a general sense and the current image is a bit too specialised (i.e. not many people are aware of playboating specifically). -- Ben  12:48, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with that one. --George Drummond 00:41, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree too, its the image that most clearly shows kayak/kayaker/paddle while in thumbnail form, despite the bit of water on the lens. (note i'm bias as its my photo, but my argument remains). --Shogun 02:28, 18 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't know, at least were I live more people know about whitewater kayaking than sea or lake kayaking and most non-kayackers wouldn't know the difference between a Sea Kyack and a play boat. SF

Votes for the template

 * I vote for the "Thesinks.jpg" image, because as a whitewater kayaker, I obviously prefer it. -- Ben  12:48, 3 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I second that. SF who hasn't flipped in Salmon falls, Matt

Other Ideas

 * We could also have several different templates (hey, it's a Wiki!) for different users like ones for sea kayakers, slalom paddlers, whitewater kayakers, etc. -- Ben  12:48, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll second that idea. It would work better for everyone - DevAnubis 12:55, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks to everyone who voted in our picture poll. We now have some great templates, but there is still plenty of room for improvement. anyone who can help out in any way, especially formatting of the project pages and templates, would be greatly appreciated. -- Ben  23:50, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Pictures
Below are decent pictures worth a mention in the project (may be used later or now)

If you have another image worth contributing, please place it here.

Wikipaddle
I have a kayaking wiki called Wikipaddle.

Its aim is more to collect river guides, sea guides etc.

Could there be a collaboration between projects? --George Drummond 17:59, 5 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Sure, sounds like an good idea. Also thanks for pointing me to your great Wiki. I'm not too sure about the best way to go about it though, so please let me know on my talk page. Also, it would be great if you could join the project. -- Ben  07:26, 7 January 2007 (UTC)


 * There could be if I was an admin on wikipaddle. -- Ben  03:43, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Dead WikiProject
Well, I tried to create a thriving project for a neglected topic, but at the moment it is just too neglected. I have focused me attention into easier pursuits with greater reward. Perhaps someone might revive this dead in the water project - drop me a line and I'll be happy to help once there is a decent team behind the movement. - -- Ben  11:00, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm back! - -- Ben  23:48, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Infobox Canoe trail
A number of canoe trail (e.g. Northern Forest Canoe Trail) are using using the Trails template to display information about the trail. This template is designed to show information about hiking trails. I have renamed it Infobox Hiking trail to avoid confusion. I am converted the use of this template in Northern Forest Canoe Trail to a table because was not displaying canoe specific information such as "Portages". I suggest people at this project create a template such as Infobox Canoe trail. I would be happy to help, however I don't know anything about canoing and kayaking terminology. -- Patleahy (talk) 03:54, 8 August 2007 (UTC)


 * At the risk of sounding like the brow-furrowing idiot I am, I really don't see how this relates to our WikiProject -- Ben  04:35, 10 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Ok, sorry I brought it up. -- Patleahy (talk) 05:05, 10 August 2007 (UTC)


 * But really, could you please explain it in layman's terms? (just a bit confusing for myself) -- Ben  22:54, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok. If you go to Wonderland Trail you will see a table of information on the left side. If you look at the source for that article you will see something that starts {{Trails .... That is a template. It is designed to make it easy to create the table. This is because there are names for the information that can be displayed. People who make templates can also add special rules to templates such as "only show a caption of there is an image". The Trails template is designed for hiking trails so the fields are specific to hiking trails. If you go to Trails you will see instructions on how to use the template.

So what has this got to do with canoing you may ask. Well some people have tried to use the Trails template for canoe trails. They added information such as Lakes and Ponds and Portages however the Trails template does not know how to use this data so it just doesn't get displayed. In the article Northern Forest Canoe Trail I converted the usage of the Trails template to use a table instead of a template. The table looks a lot like the template to readers but the source code is much more messy. See the code for Northern Forest Canoe Trail here. I suggested that this project should create a template for Canoe Trails because projects often create such infobox templates for things they are interested in. See the WikiProject Mountains and WikiProject Hiking Trails for an example.

To avoid confusion in the future I am renaming the template from {{tl|Trails}} to Infobox Hiking trail.

If you want I can create a Infobox Canoe trail template based on the table in Northern Forest Canoe Trail and you can take it from there. Can you tell me, are there many such trails which this template could be used in? I think there are only a few examples of the {{tl|Trails}} template used in such trails. -- Patleahy (talk) 16:10, 11 August 2007 (UTC)


 * No, not really.-- Ben  10:09, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Expert review: Tortured plywood kayak design
As part of the Notability wikiproject, I am trying to sort out whether Tortured plywood kayak design is notable enough for an own article. I would appreciate an expert opinion. For details, see the article's talk page. If you can spare some time, please add your comments there. Thanks! --B. Wolterding 16:44, 23 October 2007 (UTC)