Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Canoeing and Kayaking/Archive 4

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Your opinions and advice
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David Florence update
Would a canoeing expert please update this article with details of his two golds at the Cardiff World Cup in June 2012? Thanks.--ukexpat (talk) 15:41, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

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Guide tipping.jpg
file:Guide tipping.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 06:34, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Result was keep, see; File talk:Guide tipping.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamesmcmahon0 (talk • contribs) 15:05, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Automated process for article tagging and/or assessing
I would like to submit a request to have DodoBot tag and/or automatically assess articles for our WikiProject, as explained here. Feel free to raise any questions or concerns regarding this suggestion. I will assume there is consensus for the task if there are no objections in a week.Jamesmcmahon0 (talk) 20:11, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Realised that DodoBot is inactive so I would like to submit a request to AnomieBOT instead. I will ask for all pages in the following categories to be tagged with WikiProject Kayaking
 * Category:Canoeing and kayaking and all sub-categories except; Category:Canoeists, Category:Kayakers and Category:Canoe clubs
 * Category:Canoeists With Importance=Mid
 * Category:Kayakers With Importance=Mid
 * Category:Canoe clubs With Importance=Mid
 * I will also ask for it to replace any template redirects, such as Kayaking or Kayak with WikiProject Kayaking.
 * I will assume there is consensus for the task if there are no objections in a week. Jamesmcmahon0 (talk) 20:21, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Kayak roll article
Our Kayak roll article has been a source of great debate having changed names to "Eskimo roll" and back again. There used to be some detailed content describing different styles of roll but all that has been done away with and we now only have two lines of text and two images. This doesn't tell anybody very much.

We also have an article on C-to-C roll which states that it is "one of the most commonly taught whitewater kayak rolls". It claims to be the invention of one "Mick Mouse" and quotes his own website as a reference. The problem is that the C-to-C roll is unknown in the UK, and I'm not really sure how it differs from the conventional "screw roll" (not much as far as I can tell).

What I intend to do is to create a small section for each type of roll on the "Kayak roll" page, eg: srew role, reverse screw, Pawlata, Steyr, hand roll and any others that I can find references for and either have a separate section for the C-to-C roll or include it in with the screw roll if it proves to be the same thing. I then propose to merge the "CtoC roll" article with "Kayak roll" as it is poorly referenced and doesn't seem to warrant a stand-alone article, since no other types of roll have one to themselves.

Your comments will be greatly appreciated. Alansplodge (talk) 15:43, 14 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I agree, the Kayak roll article is ridiculously sparse at the moment, I think once sections and some more info has been added then it will be appropriate to look at merging C-to-C roll into it. As for the name of the article, I think the actual content is more important and is not so much an issue, especially if there are already redirects in place. Jamesmcmahon0 (talk) 21:09, 14 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I've removed most of the stuff in the C-to-C article - the material that was really about kayak rolls in general and the BLP violating stuff - no sources at all for the former, Mouse himself the only source for the latter. I'd say merge now. You can build up the article with templates if it's going to be filled soon. Dougweller (talk) 14:18, 18 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I just expanded kayak roll from one source, still needs lots more and more sources. I also tagged the merge, haven't done it though. Jamesmcmahon0 (talk) 17:15, 18 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks everyone. I may have time to look at it over the weekend. Alansplodge (talk) 12:11, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Burrard Inlet Canoe.jpg
image:Burrard Inlet Canoe.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 76.65.131.217 (talk) 05:50, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Changing page names of Canoeists
Some of the articles on Canoeists for some reason are titled NAME (Canoer) as opposed to NAME (Canoeist). I propose that we ask a bot to change the names from Canoer to Canoeist, to improve consistency. This will be around 200 pages Jamesmcmahon0 (talk) 16:12, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Having looked a little deeper into this, there are 290 pages that have 'Canoer' in the title and 42 pages that have 'Canoeist' in the title, there doesn't appear to be a convention or rule that applies to this at Naming conventions (sportspeople). I think we should vote/discuss here which to use then work with that. Jamesmcmahon0 (talk) 16:59, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Support Canoeist - It seems to be more widely used on the web and especially in the news. Jamesmcmahon0 (talk) 16:59, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Support Canoeist - As Walter said to Donny- "The preferred nomenclature is Canoeist." ;) Elmmapleoakpine (talk) 00:47, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Support Canoeist - While I personally prefer the term canoer, canoeist appears to be the more widely-used term. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 02:38, 8 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Is there an ENGVAR difference? If so some national biog cats could be left, or standardized the other way. It seems odd that the "minority" term has currently so many more articles using it. Johnbod (talk) 13:42, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
 * "Canoeist" is standard in the UK - "canoer" is rarely heard AFAIK. Alansplodge (talk) 08:36, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

I have started moving pages manually, see the canoer list. Jamesmcmahon0 (talk) 13:30, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Seems a good idea. You probably know this already but can use intitle search to check. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:18, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Cheers, I used the list compare function in AWB. One thing I am noticing is that every article I change seems to start with 'NAME was/is a canoer...' that's going to be another job in itself to re-word all articles that are written like that. Jamesmcmahon0 (talk) 10:28, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

✅ Jamesmcmahon0 (talk) 15:30, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Redesign of Template:Canoeing and kayaking
The template Canoeing and kayaking is currently very large, containing lots of red-links, some very arbitrary links and is altogether not very useful for navigating around Canoeing and Kayaking content. I don't really know the policy and standard form for Navboxes or how to go about planning the redesign, we maybe should use Template:Canoeing and kayaking/sandbox? I would be grateful for any suggestions! Jamesmcmahon0 (talk) 12:20, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
 * In general, it is not necessary to remove all red links in a navigation topic - if they are very significant (but fewer is better unless the template has all members of a closed class). However I couldn't find any obvious meaning on google for Kayak Walk, the first one I tried. My guess is a competitive event with both race walking and kayaking but maybe a type of hiking mixed with recreational kayaking? Some trimming of items may be good here. Rmhermen (talk) 15:50, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
 * The sections Associations and National bodies are really the same thing but both should really be removed (I think) since they both seem to have a very arbitrary set of assciations and national bodies, there is obviously not enough space in the box to have all of the national bodies/associations on it.
 * Further the 'notable clubs' ... not really sure what makes any of them particularly notable other than they have a wikipedia article
 * Suppliers again is only contains an arbitrary subset of all kayking suppliers.
 * what's the best way to structure this discussion? Jamesmcmahon0 (talk) 18:50, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Made a start, see Template:Canoeing and kayaking/sandbox so far I've cut out a lot of stuff that I thought was unnecessary and tidied up one of the sections. Please edit away or let me know what you think should be included. Jamesmcmahon0 (talk) 01:28, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I have been more brutal and removed all of the references to competition. We probably need to create a new page as a hub for the competitive side of things and offer a single link to it in the template. --GhostInTheMachine (talk) 12:59, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Canoe organization category
I removed the category Canoe organizations from Boy Scouts of America but had the edit reverted. I had assumed that the category is for organisations that administer/regulate the sport? BSoA may encourage canoeing but I don't see the article belonging to the category. Comments? --GhostInTheMachine (talk) 02:48, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Removed Chestnut Canoe Company and Canadian Canoe Museum too. Are there enough canoe museums in the world to justify a category? --GhostInTheMachine (talk) 02:48, 29 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Added 2 museums with articles to the outline. (There is another in Portland.) --GhostInTheMachine (talk) 03:42, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Should we rename the category to Canoe sports bodies? --GhostInTheMachine (talk) 02:48, 29 December 2013 (UTC)


 * I would not have thought that 'Canoe organizations' was at all ambiguous. Also I would not expect to find Boy Scouts of America in it. Not sure Canoe sports bodies helps much. Perhaps it could be changed to Canoe(ing) governing bodies I've started a topic on the talk page; Talk:Boy_Scouts_of_America. Jamesmcmahon0 (talk) 13:12, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Stanley whitewater canoeing course


The article Stanley whitewater canoeing course has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * It is not a 'whitewater course' just a section of the river Tay which is used by paddlers a lot, there are no fixed slalom gates or any other competitive aspects. Whilst I think an article probably could exist, this one has biased, unsourced and sometimes incorrect information and the name is also misleading. I think the best course of action is to delete it and start again.

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Please check my work on the Paracanoe categories.
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Discussion of Canoe vs Kayak semantic usage in the UK
I just started a discussion: Talk:Kayak your input would be appreciated. Jamesmcmahon0 (talk) 08:12, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

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Name of this WikiProject?
Could and should this project be renamed WikiProject Canoeing and Kayaking, or even WikiProject Canoeing, to better match the stated aim of improving Wikipedia's coverage of Kayaking, Kayaks, Canoeing, and Canoes?

In terms of sports, the International Canoe Federation administers both canoeing and kayaking. The current project name seems too specific for something that's covering both types of paddling. -- Ham105 (talk) 04:05, 27 October 2015 (UTC)


 * I would be in favour of changing to WikiProject Canoeing and Kayaking with redirects from WikiProject Kayaking and WikiProject Canoeing etc. I agree the current name could create confusion as to the scope of the project. Jamesmcmahon0 (talk) 15:54, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

Canoeist or Canoer
Should Biographies be titled, Name (canoeist) or Name (canoer)? As currently pages are titled both. GhostOrchid35 (talk) 06:59, 2 May 2016 (UTC)


 * I did a quick Google: canoeist says 399,000 results; canoer says 188,000 results. While by no means compelling, I'd go with canoeist. -- Ham105 (talk) 08:29, 2 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Is there any sign of WP:ENGVAR differences in the Ghits? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:07, 2 May 2016 (UTC)


 * This has made me do some digging, but I'm glad because I'd forgotten about the tool. Here are some results for usage of canoeist and canoer from Google Books Ngram viewer for both American and British English - in both cases canoeist seems to have been used more often:
 * American English - since the end of WW2, canoeist seems to appear at least five times as often.
 * British English - since the end of WW2, canoeist seems to appear at least seven times as often (although intriguingly for brief period between 1931 and 1941, canoer was more commonly used - but it's ahead for only one decade out of the 130-odd years to the year 2000).
 * So I think canoeist would be the more commonly used term in general use. If other editors have thoughts on this, I'd be interested. -- Ham105 (talk) 11:17, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

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