Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cartoon Network/Archive 2

New talk page message ideas.
"Why this article is a part of WikiProject Cartoon Network?" To answer that question, I have new ideas.


 * In the articles about Hanna-Barbera's works:


 * In the articles about Warner Bros.' animated program:


 * In the articles such as Dexter's Laboratory, The Powerpuff Girls, Ed, Edd 'n' Eddy, The Cramp Twins, Codename: Kids Next Door, Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends, Robotboy and Demashita! Powerpuff Girls Z‎:


 * In the articles such as Atomic Betty and Pet Alien:


 * In the articles about a version of Cartoon Network, its sister channel(s) such as Boomerang, Pogo, Cartoon Network Too or a television block such as Toonami and Miguzi:

By the way, are these within the scope of the project? JSH-alive talk to mesee my worksmail to me 08:05, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Adult Swim and its original programs.
 * A television series that Cartoon Network broadcast in some countries or at least in one country such as Code Lyoko, Totally Spies! and Winx Club.


 * Hi, nice of you to drop by! Odd question because I've never wondered what we cover and nobody I know has asked it. These however don't as they fracture what we cover down way too far and as mentioned some shows don't count. Personally, I feel that most productions before 1993 don't fall under our jurisdiction and are covered by more capable projects and WB shows do air on CN frequently in and outside of the US so count but are low on our importance. All that said though it's best we don't overstretch ourselves and label absolutely everything aired in any country which recieves CN or it's sister channels since the start of CN. There's also a high risk of just labelling everything so I propose that for now we stick to the core programmes which air right now generally everywhere in the world which'd mean Code Lyoko, Totally Spies! and Winx Club, heck even ol' Naruto wouldn't count seeing as all 4 of those don't air where I am on CN and not in other places either from what I know. -- treelo  talk 00:32, 9 April 2007 (UTC)


 * First of all JSH-alive, you must be a member of this project to list ideas. Second, warner brother shows are not included even if they were made by either Hanna or Barbera. Foriegn shows aired on the channel are not within our project. Nice try with the new templates. Driveus
 * Really? Don't see why someone can't make suggestions if they feel they'll benefit the project unless they're clearly talking out of their butt then you can tell them to run home. "Hanna or Barbera" though, classy. -- treelo talk 00:32, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Just because he's not a member, doesn't mean he can't submit ideas, Driveus. — May the Edit be with you, always. (T-borg)  (drop me a line) 17:39, 8 April 2007 (UTC)


 * OK. JSH do ou want to join? Driveus

Taking a Wikibreak
Right, going away for one week to unmuddle some stuff and try and figure out the best way forwards for here. Anything for me can be plonked onto my talkpage, don't change too much whilst I'm gone.

Oh yeah, before I set off I'd like to tell you all that I've archived some of the talkpage (don't touch it), I'll be thinking about implementing the class and importance system I've mentioned and to clear up the confusion surrounding what our project scope is it's very simple. Anything after 1995 is ours, WB produced and CN aired shows are also as the European co-productions, licensed shows are not, no matter where they show. Have fun whilst I'm gone, I need more input from Squirepants, Black Kat and Vinch so get them in and start knocking some heads together! -- treelo talk 00:59, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm back from my break but really I wonder why nothing occurred here on the talk page since I left. Did the project just go pop whilst I left because I was the last person to edit this. This type of thing makes me seriously doubt the existence of this project with such lack of commitment. Nonetheless, we got 2 new members (though I am holding judgement on if the most recent additions bring anything to the table) let's get some action going. -- treelo talk 18:22, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I've begun with the KND situation, I can't really make the "prose" better, though I have atleast cleared up some space for future work. The lack of time prevented me from doing anything else, but here you can see my first attempt at cleaning up these articles. Any comments? — May the Edit be with you, always. (T-borg)  (drop me a line) 18:41, 17 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Nice. driveus

Why nothing occurred
Treelo, I think nothing occurred because more than half of the users here are busy doing something else not involving Wikipedia or WP:Cartoon Network to be more specific. They just joined and nothing more. Plus you're the leader. We follow you (I think). If you think this project has a lack of parcipitaion look at my other project for TUGS. Some of the users haven't edited in days/weeks. This project had more motion during the time you were gone then WP:TUGS a week ago. Driveus


 * Don't forget, we're not a bureaucracy, anyone can make suggestions and realise them. We all discuss what we think should be worked on and any and all are welcome to give suggestions. If Jimbo doesn't edit Wikipedia for a day or so, does it suddenly come to a hault? It doesn't. This project just started off a bit ruff. Remember, our goal is to improve the quallity of articles, not to dispute over leadership of the project. — May the Edit be with you, always. (T-borg)  (drop me a line) 19:10, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm aware and that's the point I'd like to make. I'm actually surprised by the inactivity during my absence and whilst I'm co-coordinating the direction of the project I don't want everything to have to go through me and a bit of autonomy would be good like using the to-do list and suggesting things and discussing between other members. I want a successful or even worthwhile project such as what I consider our opposition in the form of the Nick project but I can't blame it on people having a life outside of Wikipedia or dealing with separate articles. Can blame it on other projects which they're more connected to though. Can blame it on lack of involvement. Will blame it on my own bad planning. Any idea what could be done to assist involvement because I get the feeling I'm being too commandeering which mightn't go down well with some. I need someone else to help with the decision making process. Wether or not TUGS (a mere footnote in British animation) is inactive or not is a moot point, we're bigger than it is and we need to pick up speed fats so we can clean up our messy, messy area. I've introduced the assessment scale as I said, more on that down below. -- treelo talk 19:40, 17 April 2007 (UTC)


 * What kind of messy areas? Oh yeah, I decided to use the colon for only this talk page. Driveus
 * I meant the messy articles. Things we're supposed to be cleaning or tagging as such? -- treelo talk 13:55, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

The Assessment scale
Notice a new addition to the template? That's the assessment scale, something to help us push articles to our much-loved B-Class status. We will need to do two things, add the template to the remainder of the articles under our steely glare and and class them as per the assessment scale here.

Simple to add, use the old but with the added element of the |class=? just after the work Network, e.g generating:

The system goes a bit further on the Assessment page for the project but here's a quick rundown.

Further details are on the assessment page, usage details on the template page. Now go forth and classify! Any question, just add 'em. -- treelo talk 22:21, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Ahem, I do mean what I say! We have only 54 articles with templates so far, we need to add it to more and classify them so the system works. The weakest link in the chain is you, blah blah blah. -- treelo talk 14:09, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

New userbox?
Since the userbox T-borg created is kind of out of date here is the one I'm using. I think we need a code thing for this. Anyone agree? Driveus
 * Yeah, was looking at how to do it but I say we use the image I made for CN stuff instead of the text. Otherwise, go do it! -- treelo talk 13:57, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't know, what's been changed? I can't see any difference. — May the Edit be with you, always. (T-borg)  (drop me a line) 21:13, 18 April 2007 (UTC)


 * You see T-borg, there was a colon between WikiProject and Cartoon. Check the archived one and see for yourself. Driveus


 * Oh, ok. — May the Edit be with you, always. (T-borg)  (drop me a line) 18:03, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

More sections?
Does anyone think we should have a related or disendent (incorrect spelling) wikiproject section? I'm guessing this project's parent project is WP:Television. The main page is a little short since Treelo removed the Scope section. Driveus
 * That's good, but we should also expand the guidelindes section. I still think we've missed something though, problem is I can't remember what. — May the Edit be with you, always. (T-borg)  (drop me a line) 16:52, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Me too, I want to pad it out but I can't think of much. We have related projects in the form of American Animation, Nickelodeon and I suppose Television but that one is vague as hell. Parentage can be referenced to AA best, not much to TV and we have no descendant projects yet and probably won't for a while. Anyway, go handle that and I'll try and figure out why nothing I say seems to have an effect on inert members of this shambolic hoedown. -- treelo talk 13:56, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Done. I added the section. So far it only has two. Lets try and find more relatede projects. Driveus
 * I give you three but you only use 2? Nick is more related than TV is and why do we require related projects? Still feel that we have a lot to do but procrastination, "should we change the colour of the template to puce?" and other general farting around stops all that. And in response to your edited out response I do mean everyone between Black Cat and SUIT. Actually, I'm cutting SUIT because they have little connection to the project. How about everyone just come and do as I say instead of two people listening to two people and ignoring the third who's in some form of command? Must I create a taskforce? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Treelo (talk • contribs) 19:20, 21 April 2007 (UTC).

Ok, I've added two more sections, dubbed "categories" by mistake in the edit summary. What do you say? — May the Edit be with you, always. (T-borg)  (drop me a line) 18:38, 24 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Nice try but the Articles section I removed. There wasn't anything. Try making a need to improve section with articles requiring clean-up. Driveus


 * Lordy, it's as if we don't agree over the insignificant... oh. I'm feeling very strongly about just jumping ship because there's nothing here that makes me even slightly happy to have anything to do with it. Can't change much because someone will change it back, can't make new suggestions because they'll be ignored outright. Will suggest to create something pointlessly even though something exists which does that job anyway, will ignore everything that a good project does but will do akin to rearranging rope coils on a sinking boat. Add to that the little known fact that the main parties involved with making pretty on the front of a collapsing house dislike each other and can't agree on anything so yeah, it's a real nice project to work on, really it is. Call me if you come up with something resembling logical, so far I ain't getting nothing from you tomatoes. -- treelo talk 17:53, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Transfer
I'm going to be leaving Wikipedia for a while to concentrate on my Youtube life. Treelo, I am leaving you fully in charge good luck. Driveus
 * Fully. Good, not like it matters much but I will need a right-hand person with which to reign over the hyper-edited articles and the generally neglected. Squirepants is out, may as well ask but T-Borg, no. -- treelo talk 19:55, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Then ask Blackkat. Driveus
 * Hah. -- treelo talk 22:56, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Well choose someone fast or be stripped of your power in this wiki-project (just kidding). But really choose Elaich or Dietlime. QUICK! Driveus
 * Elaich is out, their only interest/knowledge area is Ed, Edd & Eddy but I think DLC has all the directional abilities of a deaf and accordingly deranged bat. Sadly though, they're the only other person capable of doing it right who'll actually do so without paying lip-service even though they're no better than Elaich as their knowledge area begins and pretty much dies at Ed, Edd & Eddy too. Hmm, can you say "dead project"? -- treelo talk 15:13, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I got the message, and I'm glad you're interested in putting me in such a position. I've come up with a few ideas to eliminate cruft and overall clean the articles of Cartoon Network. I suppose I'll stop editing the Ed's for Elaich has that covered. I was thinking that each member could have a 'main' show (or shows) to edit. That user would focus most of his or her time on fixing up the articles based around such show. However you can obviously edit other articles, I just want people to focus fully on certain articles so the cruft doesn't build up. Yay or Nay? I'll take The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy, for their pages have dump trucks worth of cruft, and the pages are probably going to be the most difficult to clean. Camp Lazlo and My Gym Partner's a Monkey could sure use some help too.DietLimeCola 19:21, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Cruft-clipping is a core part of the editing process (and >15 edits a day through IP editors for some articles) and sometimes I feel a fancruft taskforce would be a wise idea but nonetheless having specific editors concentrating on one specific show's articles is one we should do so a very large yay from me on that front. Main problem is with notability and when you think you did all you can for an article it's all predominantly undone a week later. I know key places for tighter editing policies could be placed on KND, BAM and MGPM as I'm watching a few and it's actually annoying. I'll try and maintain either Gym Partner's or FHIF articles but there's some general maintenance required such as the assessment scheme I'd like to see being put to better use. If you want, we can deal with cruft on a separate talkpage so we can keep cruft discussion somewhere they don't interrupt other discussions. Hey, I can see a future with our new deranged bat (s'alright, I'm merely a deranged green lemur) so it's alright to me! -- treelo talk 19:57, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me! I'd like to make a comment on some ridiculous cruft I encountered three weeks ago.  It was on the article Fred Fredburger, and it stated every last thing he did in all the episodes he appeared in such as "Fred Fredburger was smiling but his face hurt then Billy jumped in front of the camera. Grim got mad an accidently knocked down his yogurt and Fred Fredburger began to cry while shouting his name and ran into the stores freezer"  and "Fred Fredburger said he found the justice system fascinating, and then he chewed on the chair which was shaped like a hand.  After that, he read the verdcit as "innocent", when it was actually guilty".  What a mess that was.DietLimeCola 20:07, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey buddy, keep that for the fancruft talkpage! Anyway, I hope you can deal with the fancruft (to me, that whole article is fancruft) over with those ones and if you can, assess the articles that are under your control and even those which aren't. -- treelo talk 20:34, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Alright, I'll try to get to work tommorow, it's finals week for me and it's been occupying a lot of my time, but it will all be over by tommorow. DietLimeCola 00:20, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Massive cleanup
Ok, this page was purged from most of the non-notable characters, one timers definitely got deleted. How's it look now? — May the Edit be with you, always. (T-borg)  (drop me a line) 16:51, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Policy Update
OK, we don't have any policies whatsoever but I had no idea what else to call it so here goes. I'm proposing that any of the edits relating to the touchy subject of fancruft can be discussed at the fancruft talkpage which I created. Respond in the usual manner for decisions using Oppose or Approve. I was going to shift T-borg's recent edit summary to the page but until a consensus is reached, it'll remain here. -- treelo talk 20:34, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, what's the deal with this "fancruft talk page", Treelo? I don't see other WikiProjects having separate talk pages for topics like cruft and such. Plus, unless you don't want others seeing what's on it, I also suggest adding a link to it at the top of this page at least. And still please explain it's purpose, as it seems it'll just be duplicating the purpose of this page. — May the Edit be with you, always. (T-borg)  (drop me a line) 20:47, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The deal is that lots of discussion about it could easily detract from whatever else is going on. Lots of talk could be made about it and it's not duplication seeing as the purpose of the project is not solely to keep the threat of cruft-filled articles down to a minimum. There'd be a link but it's not intended to replace or act as duplicate of any talkpage you can mention. So no other WP is doing it, that doesn't matter at all, the thing is that I foresee a lot of talk about who edited what and if it was correct to do so and so on, that'd easily distract if something besides cruft edits came up. You may not see a purpose yet, I see one which help out way more than just dumping everything here because cruft makes up 80% or so of basic editing duties for us. You can oppose, just say so. -- treelo  talk 22:28, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I still have some doubts about the idea, but ultimately, consensus will show. Thanks. — May the Edit be with you, always. (T-borg)  (drop me a line) 22:37, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Occasional Monthly Inspections
As the title says I'll be coming to Wikipedia, mostly to check up on my other project, and see how this project is going. So far I see that Squirepants lost interest and left. I know this project can do better, I'm sure of it. See you all in June. Driveus
 * I'm sure we'll be a much better group in June, just wait. ;) DietLimeCola 06:47, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay sure. Driveus