Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Central Asia/Mongolia work group/Archive 2

Please help with Mongol/Tatar invasions articles
Can you please discuss/help, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mongol_Empire#Excellent_article_and_general_mongol_invasion_conquest_articles 97.118.116.250 (talk) 12:31, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Request for Transliteration of Mongolian Text
I would like an English transliteration for the Confederation of Mongolian Trade Unions (CMTU) article. The Mongolian is: МОНГОЛЫН YЙЛДВЭРЧНИЙ ЭВЛЭЛYYДИЙН ХОЛБОО. I have basic Russian and came up with this: Mongolin Uildvehrchnii Eyvleyluudyin Cholbo. Any Mongolian speakers can help confirm/correct/improve this? Thanks.--Goldsztajn (talk) 05:18, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Mongolyn Üildverchnii Evlelüüdiin Kholboo Bogomolov.PL (talk) 07:37, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks!--Goldsztajn (talk) 12:46, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Mongolia during Tang rule
Mongolia during Tang rule has been nominated for deletion at WP:AfD 76.66.193.90 (talk) 05:15, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

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How is this work group indicated on the WikiProject banner? 76.66.193.90 (talk) 05:16, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * As far as I am aware, not at all. Do you think it should be? G Purevdorj (talk) 22:54, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

FYI: Articles for deletion/Mongolia during Tang rule
Ikip (talk) 07:53, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Renaming Mongolia during Tang rule
The content of Mongolia during Tang rule has changed somewhat and while it still contains biased information, it seems to have assumed a form that can be improved upon. A first step towards including this article and changing it into a useful article on Central Asian history would be renaming it, eg. Tang dynasty and Central Asia. But maybe some of you could come over to Talk:Mongolia during Tang rule and voice your own opinion! Regards, G Purevdorj (talk) 20:16, 27 February 2009 (UTC)


 * This issue is now at Requests for arbitration.
 * John Vandenberg (chat) 09:58, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

aimag categories?
Hi anybody, I think it might be useful to create own categories for Mongolia's aimags, for example one could then make Category:Cities, towns and villages in Mongolia less crowded. In fact I have already gone ahead with Category:Khövsgöl. I know category names like Orkhon, Selenge, Sükhbaatar might be a bit ambigous, but not so badly that any ambiguity could not be eleminated by one sentence ("This category is about the aimag. If you are interested in the river, go to Category:Selenga." Any thoughts/opinions/objections? Best Regards, Yaan (talk) 15:49, 8 April 2009 (UTC)


 * The categories should be named to match their main articles, or they will cause a lot of confusion. Therefore I suggest to rename Category:Khövsgöl to Category:Khövsgöl Province. This is necessary because the names of most aimags have several meanings and/or are derived from other items. --79.229.227.246 (talk) 23:39, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Tsakhiagiin Elbegdorj's political party?
Howdy - I didn't see Tsakhiagiin Elbegdorj's political party affiliation mentioned in the lead of that article. If interested, see my screed about this at Talk:Tsakhiagiin_Elbegdorj. Could somebody please add this info to the lead of that article, or leave a note at the article's Talk about why we don't need to mention this? Thanks. -- 201.37.230.43 (talk) 22:27, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Lots of pictures on commons
commons:user:Brücke-Osteuropa is busy uploading lots of nice pictures to wikimedia commons. I am sure some of them can be useful on en:wp. Yaan (talk) 11:34, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

мушги
Does anyone have a good source (probably printed, because there is almost nothing online) to show that the game Mushgi really exists, and maybe even how it is played? Someone here appears hell-bent on claiming that anything he hasn't heard of before is impossible to exist. He seems to assume that I must have been dreaming when I played it with some Mongolian friends... --Latebird (talk) 12:38, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The few dictionaries that I still have available at the moment don't contain it. But as of now, you have a problem: you cannot repeatedly revert somebody who reverts an unsourced claim which, if I understand you right, looks like OR. (Mongol neriin tuhai iim yum asuuh hun garuuzai. Garval mash olon züiliig hyanah, nomnoos oloh heregtei bolohson.) G Purevdorj (talk) 13:11, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I just saw the deletion discussion. Source is trustworthy (and I also know that game to exist, though I don't know the rules), but see my comment over there. G Purevdorj (talk) 17:59, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Just wondering, is this a loan word from russian? Yaan (talk) 23:06, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I have yet to meet a Mongolian who doesn't at least know the game exists, so it clearly is notable, just pending documentation. Surely there must be a book or two explaining it? The name seems to translate to "knot" or "sling", so I don't think it's a Russian loan word. --Latebird (talk) 19:50, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I'll have a look tomorrow, but I don't really know where to look. There is so much in Mongolian studies that has not been written down. But you will admit that even if you could establish this as a valid stub, it wouldn't be of much use if there was no socio-cultural information at all. G Purevdorj (talk) 20:29, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It is not a Russian word. Bogomolov.PL (talk) 02:50, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * This is an evidence of мушги card game existence in English and the same in Mongolian. Bogomolov.PL (talk) 17:14, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
 * If the number of google hits is any indication, then the correct spelling is actually муушиг. --Latebird (talk) 22:58, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

patronymics
Hi, I have spotted one or two small problems with the Mongolian name template:
 * Dambyn Chagdarjav: Was his father's name Damb or Damba?
 * Dumaagiin Sodnom: Is Dumaa really the name of his father?
 * Balingiin Tserendorj: I think one could find different versions of his father's name in literature, though I don't know which ones are credible.

Also, there seems to be some inconsistency between the usage of said template at the articles mentioned above, and the usage at Janlavyn Narantsatsralt.

Yaan (talk) 16:43, 6 November 2009 (UTC)


 * The orthographically correct genitive of Damba is Dambyn. Sodnom's father was missing in action in the war about Inner Mongolia and (if I remember that correctly) was identified only at a later time, so the name of his mother was used instead in his passport. G Purevdorj (talk) 00:52, 7 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Another question: Is the wording within the template correct, i.e. is really "Tsakhia", not "Tsakhiagiin", the patronymic of the current president? Or can both be patronymics? Yaan (talk) 12:40, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't have the template at hand, but Tsakhia is the nominative and the other form is the genitive (which we have chosen to adopt at Wikipedia); Elbegdorj's father would introduce himself as "Tsakhia". G Purevdorj (talk) 12:50, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I think I have understood that. But the patronymic article makes it seems as if, when talking about Michael Gorbachev, only Sergeyevich, not Sergei, could be called a patronymic ("a component of a personal name based on the name of one's father"). On the other hand, in Mongolia it seems not to be completely uncommon to use the nominative, as in Damdin Sukhbaatar. Yaan (talk) 13:03, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd spontaneously call this a non-derived patronym, but I'm not gonna improve the article in question (or have a look at it, for that matter). G Purevdorj (talk) 13:05, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Discussion of naming convention
There is currently a requested move discussion at Talk:Eg_River that has potential interest for editors of Mongolia articles as a precedent for naming of rivers (and perhaps other geographical features) in Mongolia. —  æk Talk 04:23, 20 December 2009 (UTC)