Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Chicago/Archive 3

Wicked
I just removed the project tag from Wicked (musical). If pages for musicals were tagged with every city WikiProject in which the musical ran, it would take up the entire talk page! &mdash;  Music  Maker  5376  16:51, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

I've again removed the tag from the article, and I would appreciate it if it weren't replaced. The two WikiProjects which claim the article -- WikiProject Musical Theatre and WikiProject Oz -- have a far greater understanding of the subject and complexities than would a WikiProject dedicated to a city in which it has played. &mdash;  Music  Maker  5376  00:21, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

WLS-TV
I'd appreciate others from Chicago commenting on the WLS-TV discussion re: the "minivan incident". Thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 15:21, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank for calling this to our attention.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 19:45, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Adam Siczek
My great-grandfather Adam SICZEK came in 1913 from Poland to Chicago. He was carpenter and died on 10th January 1932 in Bremen Township, Cook County, Illinois. I found his name in Illinois Statewide Death Index:. Can somebody help me? I search for his grave, and I don't know what I have to do :( Please help me! Where could be his grave? My email: rks at interia.pl . I'll be grateful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.242.236.249 (talk) 20:38, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Is he a notable person that should be listed on notable grave websites?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 19:30, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * No, he wasn't any notable person. 77.242.236.249 (talk) 23:25, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I apologize, but I am not sure how to help.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 17:18, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Get in contact with someone at the Newberry Library (I'd actually recommend just taking a trip there). Among its many qualities, it's virtually the best genealogical research facility in Chicago. Good luck in your search. Ryecatcher773 (talk) 07:40, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

RfC: Mirth & Girth and importance to Harold Washington
Hey everyone... I'm requesting comments on Talk:Harold Washington regarding Mirth & Girth. Your input is appreciated. Thanks! &mdash; Rob (  talk  ) 21:54, 29 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I think it is adequately noted in the article and I think the see also is excessive since it is wikilinked inline.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 19:24, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Chicago Fashion Week
A proposed deletion template has been added to the article Chicago Fashion Week, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice should explain why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the  notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. If you agree with the deletion of the article, and you are the only person who has made substantial edits to the page, please add  to the top of Chicago Fashion Week. Calliopejen1 (talk) 16:32, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I nominated this because there is no national coverage of this event and it does not appear to be a notable fashion week.Calliopejen1 (talk) 16:32, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Looking at the date and the redlink it must have gotten WP:CSDed. You probably made a good decision.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 19:21, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Hillary Clinton at WP:GAR
Hillary Clinton has been at WP:GAR since Feb. 11.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 06:22, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

New template
Hi, I created Chicago skyline for use in the articles of all the building in the image. Some the buildings have new names and if someone that knows how cold update the picture, that'd be great. Also, I think 2 of the building still need articles (but are linked anyway). John Reaves 05:32, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Holy Cow!! I did not notice it was clickable at first. Great job.  That should be nominated at WP:FPC.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 01:43, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Side note - eclipse
Take a break, Chi-folk. Go outside. Look over the lake. Full lunar eclipse happening as I write this. If you look closely, you can even see where they faked the Mars landing (lol). - Arcayne   (cast a spell)  02:05, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I did not hear about it until about 3:30 by which time it was over. Furthermore, the guy who told me about it sounded like he was making something up to impress a babe in attendance, so I did not really pay attention until I looked up lunar eclipse the next day.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 01:46, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

History of the Chicago Cubs
Anyone read or seen this article? No citations whatsoever, reads like a Year in Review by the Trib, and is ridiculously un-wiki like. Seeing how important the Cubs are to Chicago (and this project I'd assume), I thought someone might want to check it out. 76.223.30.228 (talk) 07:49, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Have you read any of the other team histories for comparison? Since you only zoomed in on this one and have edited nothing else, I assumed you were a Cardinals fan. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 07:55, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * No actually I'm not. Just happened to come across it. Anyway, what difference does it make what team I follow? The article is about as non-compliant with wikipedia policy as anything I've seen on here, and you are defending it? Just because other people do it, doesn't mean a hill of beans. Read and study WP:NOT and then tell me what I've stated above is wrong. You may not like it, but you cannot deny it's completely uncited, and written in a POV fan-blog like tone. Sorry to be the one to have to break the news to you. 76.223.30.228 (talk) 08:15, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not necessarily defending it, I'm just trying to figure out why you're singling it out. I'm sure there's room for improvement, but most of it is factual. I don't think a team's "press release" would be bragging about how lousy the team has been for 100 years, do you? Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 08:39, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Nothing to figure out at all. Like I said, I just happened to come across it and was a bit curious as to how such an article can be written without sourcing anything. Facts or not -- and I honestly couldn't care less about the bragging or 'unbragging' so much as it doesn't conform to what I expect -- it needs to be cited. Besides that, wiki articles are to conform to an encyclopedic style, not read like a Jay Mariotti column. I've since gone back and looked at some of the others, and yes, they are substandard as well. I've mentioned it on the wiki Project Basbeball page as well, since you pointed out that all of them are like that. 76.223.30.228 (talk) 08:55, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Sources, such as they are, were not copied from the main page. That's one problem. Another is that the sources given are insufficient to cover it. No question it needs to be better-sourced. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 09:47, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I think every MLB team is suppose to have one. See Template:Chicago_Cubs, Template:New_York_Yankees, Template:San_Francisco_Giants.  Unfortunately, my Template:Los Angeles Dodgers haven't caught on yet.  The article needs sourcing though.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 01:54, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

The Time has come for FA Consideration
Okay, it's been a slog, and there is still some tinkering to be done, but I belirve it's nearing the point where the Chicago article should get consideration for nomination to FA status. I'd say that it's ready to be re-awarded its 'good' status at least. There is some work still to be done, and I am asking that everyone here  aims to maintain the integrity of the article so that it meets FA standards. Of course, this should be the aim of every editor of every article, but in this case, it's the city article -- the definitive source article for the WikiProject Chicago itself. We like to think of our city as world class and all that. But as an entity on Wikipedia, it's not even up to par with Providence, Rhode Island! The city's flag has four stars: one for the Ft. Dearborn Massacre, one for the fire, one for the World's Colombian Exposition and one for the Century of Progress. Let's get the city a fifth star -- the one that comes with FA status. (sorry to sound like a cheerleader, but I'm sitting here every night policing ad editing and citing the damn thing, and I want it to all be for something more than an outlet for my own boredom!) Ryecatcher773 (talk) 06:03, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I just opened up peer group city GAs Washington, D.C., Miami, Florida, Manhattan, Los Angeles, California, and Toronto. Immediately, I see our WP:LEAD is weak compared to the other articles.  This caused me to do an auto peer review (also posted at Talk:Chicago).  Note the first thing the auto peer review mentioned is the short lead.  I am willing to help pursue a WP:GA.  However, we should first make our article as good as the GAs of comparable municipalities.

The following suggestions were generated by a semi-automatic javascript program, and might not be applicable for the article in question. You may wish to browse through User:AndyZ/Suggestions for further ideas. Thanks, TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 14:31, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Please expand the lead to conform with guidelines at Lead. The article should have an appropriate number of paragraphs as is shown on WP:LEAD, and should adequately summarize the article.[?]
 * Per Wikipedia:Context and Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates), months and days of the week generally should not be linked. Years, decades, and centuries can be linked if they provide context for the article.[?]
 * Per Wikipedia:Manual of Style (numbers), there should be a non-breaking space -  between a number and the unit of measurement. For example, instead of 000 feet , use 000 feet , which when you are editing the page, should look like: 000&amp;nbsp;feet .[?]
 * When writing standard abbreviations, the abbreviations should not have a 's' to demark plurality (for example, change kms to km and lbs to lb).
 * Per Wikipedia:Context and Build the web, years with full dates should be linked; for example, if January 15, 2006 appeared in the article, link it as January 15, 2006.[?]
 * Per WP:WIAFA, this article's table of contents (ToC) may be too long – consider shrinking it down by merging short sections or using a proper system of daughter pages as per Summary style.[?]
 * Watch for redundancies that make the article too wordy instead of being crisp and concise. (You may wish to try Tony1's redundancy exercises.)
 * Vague terms of size often are unnecessary and redundant - “some”, “a variety/number/majority of”, “several”, “a few”, “many”, “any”, and “all”. For example, “ All pigs are pink, so we thought of a number of ways to turn them green.”
 * The script has spotted the following contractions: didn't, Don't, if these are outside of quotations, they should be expanded.
 * As done in WP:FOOTNOTE, footnotes usually are located right after a punctuation mark (as recommended by the CMS, but not mandatory), such that there is no space in between. For example, the sun is larger than the moon [2]. is usually written as the sun is larger than the moon.[2][?]
 * Please ensure that the article has gone through a thorough copyediting so that it exemplifies some of Wikipedia's best work. See also User:Tony1/How to satisfy Criterion 1a.[?]

Upon further inspection, both Miami and Washington should be GARed and LA is pretty borderline. I am going to GAR Miami and Washington. We should strive toward Toronto and Manhattan.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 14:55, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

P.S. My list above was WP:GAs. All current large United States cities (Boston, Massachusetts, Cleveland, Ohio, Minneapolis, Minnesota, New York City, San Francisco, California, and Detroit, Michigan) seem to continue to be FA quality although Detroit may be the weakest of the group.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 15:33, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Proposed renaming of Chicago-related categories
There is a proposal to move all 'X in Chicago' categories to 'X in Chicago, Illinois'. Anyone with strong views on this move should read the discussion here. —Jeremy (talk) 20:34, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I saw these and I believe I voted, but I forgot to post at WP:CHIDISCUSS where these should be noted.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 02:00, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

ChicagoWikiProject: Articles of unclear notability
Hello,

there are currently 73 articles in the scope of this project which are tagged with notability concerns. I have listed them here. (Note: this listing is based on a database snapshot of 2008-03-12 and may be slightly outdated.)

I would encourage members of this project to have a look at these articles, and see whether independent sources can be added, whether the articles can be merged into an article of larger scope, or possibly be deleted. Any help in cleaning up this backlog is appreciated. For further information, see WikiProject Notability.

If you have any questions, please leave a message on the Notability project page or on my personal talk page. (I'm not watching this page however.) Thanks! --B. Wolterding (talk) 15:02, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Northerly Island
Currently Northerly Island is a part of the article on Meig's Field. This made sense at one point, but since Meig's is gone it's a bit anachronistic. Additionally, Northerly Island is the site of Solidarity Drive with its beautiful monuments and the Adler Planetarium. Any opinions on how we should rearrange this?--Orestek (talk) 01:37, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I would suggest creating a Northerly Island Article. Then, use mainarticle for sections on Adler, Meigs Field, 12th St. Beach and Charter One Pavilion.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 01:56, 30 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I finally finished Northerly Island- whaddaya think boss? --Orestek (talk) 09:56, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I know it still needs tweaking, but its done in a general way, only so much you can do before insomnia leaves ya--Orestek (talk) 09:59, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Chicago
Under the subsection "Chicago Architecture" there are three articles mentioned as ones to see also in addition to two articles listed as main articles. I think we should get rid of some of these, it makes for two much clutter when we're looking for FA status. My proposal is to at the very least get rid of the links to Parks of Chicago, and Neighborhoods of Chicago in this subsection since they have their own subsections. I particularly dislike the link to the neighborhoods article since its the very next subsection--Orestek (talk) 20:41, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It does seem like a bit much. We should compare the article to FA city articles (preferably large American ones).  Only the first main belongs, but the second seems to belong in see also.  However, Parks does not belong in see also.  I have revised. Check now.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 03:57, 22 April 2008 (UTC)--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 03:57, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Template:Chicago skyline
I just started working on the article The Buckingham, when I found this template. The building is very obviously displayed (quite prominently IMO), but the problem is it is not labeled. I was wondering how do I go about editing the image for the template or who do I ask to edit it for me? Thanks Torsodog (talk) 07:15, 11 April 2008 (UTC) Also, as I'm editing more articles relating to the area, Outer Drive East is much more dominating than the four small towers of 900 North Michigan, yet that is not labeled either. Torsodog (talk) 10:59, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It seems like the original version of that image was created by User:Urban at Wikimedia Commons. You can try asking him for help. Zagalejo^^^ 16:48, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

McKinsey & Company
This one really needs some work on neutral tone, and its notability and placement in the bigger scheme of things. I removed the interview section. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 23:35, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hopefully, an employee or someone in the industry can take this article over.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 04:04, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Chicagoland.png and Chicagoland municipality template
Some time ago, I replaced the geobox templates on West Chicago, Hinsdale, and Batavia with Template:Chicagoland municipality. One necessary element is an image (US-IL-Chicagoland-NAME) that shows the municipality within the 9-county metro area. The image is generated using, but I don't have the knowledge or software to work with the layers in order to do so. Would someone please generate the three images for inclusion in the articles? -Rrius (talk) 18:46, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
 * User:Kranar drogin was an ace with this stuff, but I don't know how active he has been lately.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 04:08, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Naming of Metra Articles
The titles of articles for the Metra lines with cardinal directions (e.g., North or East) in their names use a "slash" between the direction and the word preceding it. For example, the Union Pacific North line is rendered "Union Pacific/North". Why is this? The website doesn't print the line names that way. -Rrius (talk) 06:04, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Looking at Metra Lines, I see what you mean. I do not know what is correct. Talk with the active editors or contact WP:RR--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 04:42, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

RfC: Mirth & Girth GAN and completeness of article
See Talk:Mirth & Girth. &mdash; Rob (  talk  ) 17:50, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * You have gotten some good feedback on ways to improve the article from what I can see. Good luck.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 02:43, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

RfC: Mirth & Girth and whether the part mentioning Chicago Tonight is WP:UNDUE
Please comment at Talk:Mirth & Girth. Thanks. &mdash; Rob (  talk  ) 04:43, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Alexander Graham Bell School
Could I request someone with knowledge of Chicago schools keep half an eye on Alexander Graham Bell School? It's being massively edited by a single IP - from the mix of good-faith edits and vandalism, almost certainly a group of students using the school's computer for a project. In these circumstances given the number of good-faith edits, I really don't want to go the usual route for an IP who's vandalised repeatedly and block it, but obviously it needs to be watched to stop libel & inappropriateness slipping through... —  iride  scent  21:18, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It sounds like you may want to try WP:RPP.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 22:23, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Is Michael Sneed a reliable source?
Sneed is a columnist for the Chicago Sun-Times. In one of the sources I've been reading (re Harold Washington), he's also been referred to as "the gossip columnist." Should he be cited at all? &mdash; Rob (  talk  ) 02:56, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Michael Sneed is actually a woman: . :) She's not an ideal source; she famously misidentified the gunman at the Virginia Tech massacre as a "Chinese national". . It really depends on the specific sort of claim you need to cite, and how it's presented in the article. Zagalejo^^^ 03:03, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Chicago Daily News image collection at Chicago Historical Society
I have just discovered that the Library of Congress search engine at http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/index.html includes the Chicago Daily News image collection at Chicago Historical Society. For the majority of Chicago articles you put in the search box you will get many images. The collection is from 1902-1933 and anything before 1923 classifies as PD-US. Many later images may classify as fair use. I have been going nuts finding images for articles. Join the fun.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 07:26, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * P.S. the Chicago Daily News collection has its own source template. For uploads use LOC-cdn.  Look at the page history at Chicago Race Riot of 1919 to understand usage.  I have also been using the newly created multiple image template in some places such as Chicago Board of Trade Building and Prairie Avenue.  You may want to try that if you find a lot of good images for a given article so you don't have to put as many images in a gallery.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 07:30, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Great find! Thanks for sharing. Zagalejo^^^ 18:37, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Odd instructions, Chicago Blizzard of 1979
I was looking for the "Newly Created Articles" section on the project homepage, but it doesn't seem to exist. So I'll note it here... we didn't have an article for the Blizzard of '79. That was a travesty, so now it's a high-importance stub. :-) Please update articles you think would be relevant accordingly (including Byrne, Bilandic, CTA, etc.) I won't be able to get to them 'til tonight at the earliest... &mdash; Rob (  talk  ) 19:46, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I removed the section because it was looking forlorn. No one was adding anything there.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 15:52, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Top Importance Chicago Articles
If you want to help me choose Category:Top-importance Chicago articles, come comment at WikiProject_Chicago/Assessment by June 5th.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 13:55, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Newly Created List + article
"If you have created a Chicago-related article in the last month, put it in the Newly Created List"... but there's no such list. Little help? I recently recreated a deleted, Chicago-related article (Marshall McGearty Lounge) that I think has potential (and published sources) to at least become a non-stub. If you get as far as its talk page, yes, I am a self-hating Wikipedia editor. Thanks in advance, --dfg (talk) 05:40, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I removed that section because it was not being used as originally intended. Can you help me out with the deletion date.  There is no Articles for deletion/Marshall McGearty Lounge page.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 06:15, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It appears to have been speedied in February: . Zagalejo^^^ 06:16, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah it was, but I resurrected it a few days ago. And had an unnecessarily uncivil discussion about it with an admin. Anyhow, it's not an earth-shatteringly important Chicago article, but it has potential to be fleshed out, as I found multiple non-Chicago sources (NYT, WP) about it and posted links on the talk page. In brief, the lounge was a failed attempt by a Big Tobacco company to Starbucks-ize smoking and they picked Chicago (Wicker Park) as ground zero. The smoking ban indirectly killed it. I figured I'd leave a note here in case someone was particularly interested, and since there's the potential to even get a photo of the shuttered establishment by anyone here who bar-hops down there (I don't) if the signage is still up. --dfg (talk) 06:31, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I think the fact that it was discussed, at length, in the New York Times should save it from deletion. Zagalejo^^^ 06:42, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Gapers Block: reliable source?
Has anyone in the project had any problems with using Gapers Block (http://www.gapersblock.com/) as a reliable source? I could see how someone could argue that it's a blog, but it's very un-unilateral (non-unilateral?), and the "masthead" appears to include a publisher and several professional journalists. --dfg (talk) 06:07, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * If you were to build an article with it as your sole source of notability you might have trouble. In a larger article where it is the sole source for a single fact or two, I think it would be O.K.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 17:57, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I also somehow missed that it's on the Project's list of useful sources. dfg (talk) 13:30, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Important discussion on Chicagoans Barack Obama, Bill Ayers, Jeremiah Wright, Tony Rezko
How much information should Obama's bio article have on his embarassing associates -- Bill Ayers, Jeremiah Wright, and Tony Rezko? The Barack Obama Featured Article, part of this project's scope, now has an important discussion about this on its talk page (at Talk:Barack Obama).

Some editors here think that when a U.S. presidential candidate is embarassed by someone associated with that candidate, no information about it should be mentioned in the WP biography article, even if the campaign (and therefore the person who is the subject of the article) was affected. Others think WP should only mention that this person was controversial and leave a link in the article to the WP article on that controversial associate. Still others (including me), think we should briefly explain just why that person was controversial in the candidate's life, which can be done in a phrase or at most a sentence or two. Other examples: Whatever we do, we should have equal treatment, so anyone interested in NPOV-, WP:BLP-compliant articles should look at and participate in the discussion. We've started the discussion by focusing on how much to say about former Weather Underground leader Bill Ayers in the Barack Obama article. Noroton (talk) 16:06, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hillary Clinton and Norman Hsu
 * John McCain and John C. Hagee
 * Rudy Giuliani and Bernard Kerik
 * On some other pages where I've posted this, people have been responding only beneath the post, which is fine, but won't help get a consensus where it counts. So please excuse me for raising my voice, just to make sure I get the point across: Please respond at the Talk:Barack Obama where your comments will actually affect the consensus!!! Sorry for the shoutin'. I promise not to do it again. Noroton (talk) 18:11, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Millennium Park WP:FT drive
Come check out our Millennium Park articles. We have a WP:FT drive going on. We are focussing on the first line of the following template.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 20:09, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Now we have Cloud Gate, BP Pedestrian Bridge, Lurie Garden, McCormick Tribune Ice Rink, Wrigley Square and Harris Theater (Chicago) all in the WP:GAC queue. The latter ones could use some more beef. If anyone can find anything to add please do, because they are kind of borderline.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 06:01, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

PLEASE NOTE OUR FEATURED TOPIC DRIVE IS NOW LOCATED AT WP:CHIFTD--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 04:50, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

GAR debate on buildings under construction
There is debate on whether buildings under construction are stable enough and complete enough to be WP:GA. Currently, Chicago Spire, Joffrey Tower, and 108 North State Street are GAs. Thus, the debate is important to our project. Comment would be useful at Good article reassessment/Trump International Hotel and Tower (Chicago)/1.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 20:32, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Help on List of Registered Historic Places in Chicago
Hi! New article List of Registered Historic Places in Chicago could use help for photos and for tieing its places to existing articles. For example, the National Register name "Lou Mitchell's Restaurant" needed proper wikilinking to the existing article Lou Mitchell's. Photos for a lot of sites have been identified, but there are lots of gaps and it would be great to get current pics to replace some of the historic black&white ones. Thanks! doncram (talk) 02:13, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * We don't have an article titled Garfield Park, but we do have Garfield Park Conservatory, which has a large section discussing the park in general. Zagalejo^^^ 08:22, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Hmm, okay, i will leave it as a red-link for now, in effect calling for an article on the park to be created.  It certainly is notable, it is an NRHP and there are NRHP nomination documents available to describe it.
 * The Gold Coast Historic District is briefly mentioned in Near North Side, Chicago, but I'm sure one could write a separate article on the Gold Coast. Zagalejo^^^ 08:29, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm, likewise, calling for a new article...
 * Illinois Institute of Technology Academic Campus could probably just be a redirect to Illinois Institute of Technology. Zagalejo^^^ 08:42, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Re Old Colony Buildings: We do have Old Colony Building (Chicago). Is there more than one? Zagalejo^^^ 09:01, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Now linked, and ended up adding a HABS pic we had already rounded up for the list-article, to the Old Colony Building article.  Will leave it to a future editor of that article to sort out why the NRHP program name is plural, probably is explained in the NRHP nomination documents that would be available.
 * I think the Reid Murdoch Building is the same as the Reid, Murdoch & Co. Building, although the addresses listed are different. Zagalejo^^^ 09:08, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Great, now linked, and got the nice pic from the article to use in the list-article too.
 * I'm very surpised that I can't find an article on St. Patrick's Roman Catholic Church (AKA Old St. Patrick's Church). That's probably the most well-known landmark that's still a redlink. Zagalejo^^^ 09:21, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, also good to call for that article to be created, too. Thanks so much for all the above comments, and for your other helpful comments on neighborhoods in Talk:List of Registered Historic Places in Chicago! doncram (talk) 05:04, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Pics needed
We now have images to illustrate about 99 of the 296 NRHPs in Chicago, which is pretty good for a new list-article. In the process of collecting these, we have added historic HABS pics to a number of articles that already existed for individual landmark sites. However, it sure would be helpful if WP:Chicago members would check out where photos are needed (sort the List of RHPs in Chicago list by neighborhood, and go take new current pics to fill the gaps! doncram (talk) 18:22, 10 June 2008 (UTC)


 * The List of RHPs in Chicago article is right now showing for a DYK on the wikipedia front page. Thanks Orestek, Zagalejo, and TonyTheTiger for adding pics! doncram (talk) 10:33, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Meetup
This summer? Leave a note at Wikipedia talk:Meetup/Chicago 2 if you're interested. &mdash; Dan | talk 02:11, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

List of Nobel Laureates affiliated with the University of Chicago
Does anyone want to help me with List of Nobel Laureates affiliated with the University of Chicago. I am starting to lose steam. Maybe I have a few too many columns. General help would be appreciated.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 20:39, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Chicago/Bot Category List
Apparently, every article that's in one of the categories listed at the above page will be (or already is) tagged with the Wikiproject Chicago template. That's certainly useful for most of them, but there are a couple of categories where I'm not sure if there's much of a point in adding the Wikiproject template. I'm mostly talking about people-categories (Category:Actors from Chicago, Category:Discographies of Chicago musicians and musical groups, Category:People from Chicago, Illinois, Category:Writers from Chicago, etc.), since the people listed in them usually don't have much to do with Chicago, apart from coming from there. For instance, how is the project planning to improve Freddy Rodriguez? Or Charles MacArthur, LaVern Baker, R. Kelly? All these are currently tagged, although they have next to nothing to do with Chicago (apart from being born and growing up there), so I don't think it's too useful to have the Wikiproject Chicago template on their talk pages in the first place. So would anyone mind if I remove some of the categories from the bot category list? --Conti|✉ 13:32, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I actually mind. We still are interested in People from Chicago.  R. Kelly is big news here.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 22:52, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Would you please keep Freddy Rodriguez? He's been promoting this film about Humbold Park, Chicago. He is a permanent promoter of his hometown. And he visits frequently. I think it wouldn't hurt to leave him on the category. --Beatrice Benedick (talk) 13:06, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Articles flagged for cleanup
Currently, 2652 articles assigned to this project, or 17.8%, are flagged for cleanup of some sort. (Data as of 2008-06-18.) Are you interested in finding out more? I am offering to generate cleanup to-do lists on a project or work group level. See User:B. Wolterding/Cleanup listings for details. If you want to respond to this canned message, please do so at my user talk page. --B. Wolterding (talk) 11:52, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The cleanup division of the project is inactive at this time.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 22:53, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Changes to the WP:1.0 assessment scheme
As you may have heard, we at the Wikipedia 1.0 Editorial Team recently made some changes to the assessment scale, including the addition of a new level. The new description is available at WP:ASSESS.
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Please leave a message with us if you have any queries regarding the introduction of the revised scheme. This scheme should allow the team to start producing offline selections for your project and the wider community within the next year. Thanks for using the Wikipedia 1.0 scheme! For the 1.0 Editorial Team, §hepBot  ( Disable )  22:08, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

AFD on Steve Bartman
Steve Bartman has been proposed for deletion. You may participate in the discussion here. Johntex\talk 01:53, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

History of Northwestern University
I've been working on the History of Northwestern University and have taken care of most of the pre-WWII history and a smattering of topics since then. I would welcome other editors' assistance in expanding the article, getting it assessed, and nominating it for GA and FA in the coming months. Madcoverboy (talk) 17:11, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

A-Class review
Are there people who would be interested in participating in a WikiProject Chicago A-class review?

Signpost report
Would one of the projects members be willing to answer questions on this WikiProject for the signpost? A model is displayed here. If you could get back to me by tomorrow, that'd be great. Thank you in advance. Rud get  15:34, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I responded at your talk page a couple hours ago.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 20:35, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

NOTICE Everyone should follow along at Wikipedia Signpost/2008-08-11/WikiProject report/Rudget and make sure I do not say anything too misleading.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 17:04, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Who wants an easy Featured List
I think List of stations on the 'L' just needs a paragraph or two added to the WP:LEAD and a few sources confirming the listings to be a WP:FL, IMO.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 22:51, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I am looking more closely at this and wondering if some OR was done to describe above ground and below ground stations.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 15:43, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Photo request: British consulate in the Wrigley Building
Hi! I understand that the British Consulate in Chicago resides in the Wrigley building.

Does anyone wish to photograph the entrance to the consulate (as in the entrance on the 13th floor) - If required, see if you can seek permission to take the photograph. See: http://www.britainusa.com/chicago/ WhisperToMe (talk) 22:27, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * By the way, as Kransky said on the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject International relations page: "I would like to caution people to exercise judgement when choosing to take photographs of diplomatic premises. Many missions are highly security conscious for good reason."WhisperToMe (talk) 00:16, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * How unusual of an image is this? Do most consulates have images on wikipedia?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 05:46, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * On the Commons many diplomatic facilities (Embassies and consulates) have images: see Commons:Category:Consulates - Consulates in standalone buildings always have their photographs in "Diplomatic relations of XX" articles, and some consulates in office buildings have their pictures in "Diplomatic relations of XX" articles if the entrances look distinctive enough. I also include images of office consulates in the articles about the notable buildings that house consulates, i.e. Wells Fargo Plaza has an image of Houston's British consulate, and Greenway Plaza has a photo of its Republic of China office. The British consulate photo would be put in the Wrigley Building article. This photo is notable as it is the UK's diplomatic facility serving Chicago. WhisperToMe (talk) 23:14, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Meetup/Chicago 3
Please come discuss Meetup/Chicago 3.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 15:57, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Chicago/Review
Be advised that the project is trying to keep all the projects WP:PR, WP:FAC, WP:FAR, WP:GAR, WP:GAC WP:FLC, WP:FLRC, WP:FTC, WP:FPOC, WP:FPC, and WP:AFD discussion pages in one location at WikiProject Chicago/Review. Please help add any discussion you are aware of at this location.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 16:03, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Blues FAR
Blues has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xnux (talk • contribs) 16:13, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

FLRC
Chicago Bears seasons is a Featured list removal candidate. BUC (talk) 19:00, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Where can I list new articles?
...Not that I need a list. I've only just done one: Art Chicago. It's very important in its own little slice of art culture, although maybe not so important in the big picture. Artemis-Arethusa (talk) 19:02, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi Artemis-Arethusa - Your article is automatically listed in the Chicago group of articles by inclusion of the template that has been added by a ro(Bot) at the talk page of Art Chicago. You might also like to join the Chicago Project by adding   to your user page and signing up on this page WikiProject_Chicago/members.-- VS  talk 07:14, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * If you are willing to continue cleaning up the article list it at WP:CHIR.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 06:47, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The new template feature is not quite working yet. I just tested it.  Give us a few days.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 06:52, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It is working now.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 16:56, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Please see discussion about Bernardine Dohrn and Bill Ayers, Chicago residents
Bernardine Dohrn and Bill Ayers both became famous in the late 1960s and early 1970s for their leadership in Weatherman (organization), which bombed buildings and organized riots. Some scholars, journalists, authors and law enforcement authorities have called the group "terrorist". There is now a dispute on Wikipedia over whether Wikipedia should mention that this organization has been called "terrorist" (there is a content guideline on this: WP:TERRORIST). After extensive discussion at Talk:Weatherman (organization) a centralized discussion has been started at Talk:Weatherman (organization)/Terrorism RfC. Please participate. I believe all these articles have been tagged as part of WikiProject Chicago. -- Noroton (talk) 19:41, 5 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Several proposals have recently been made at the RfC. Please help form a consensus. -- Noroton (talk) 17:52, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Article Alerts
This was brought up at User talk:B. Wolterding/Article alerts, that you were managing WikiProject Chicago/Discussions by hand. B. Wolterding and I have been working on this project since, and you were intrested. Would you like to be part of a larger trial, for a BRFA? This would include PRODs, AFDs, CFDs, TFDs, MFDs, GANs, GARs, FACs, FARs, FLCs, FLRCs, and Peer Reviews. Thanks LegoKontribsTalkM 22:55, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * What do I need to do?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 16:39, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Nothing right now. I will take care of the rest. LegoKontribsTalkM 22:21, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

This is after the first run. LegoKontribsTalkM 00:19, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Please send updates to WP:CHICAGO/Article Alerts.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 13:01, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Chicago Public League champions
Anyone know where I can find complete lists of Chicago Public League champions in football or baseball? Thanks.

(By the way, I just started an article on Richard T. Crane Technical Preparatory Common School, better known as Crane Tech. If anyone has suggestions for improvement, let me know.) Zagalejo^^^ 05:52, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Now, you should be able to get article comments by listing it at WP:CHIR. I am unsure about where to find further info.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 12:59, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

O F Hunziker
The O F Hunziker article recently received GA status. It is listed as a WikiProject Chicago article but currently with an importance scale rating of low. If the rating is to remain at "low" (and I am not quibbling with that rating), can and should the article be removed from WikiProject Chicago? (I would prefer to have it removed if it remains at low importance.) Even if the importance scale rating is not changed, if the article remains in WikiProject Chicago, the quality rating should change to at least GA, if not A Class.--Rpclod (talk) 16:44, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It is remaining at Low/GA. The majority of articles within the project are low priority.  Is there a reason that a project should not have low priority articles?  See WP:CHIPRIORITY and if you have a problem with the low rating get back to me.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 04:53, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia 0.7 articles have been selected for Chicago
Wikipedia 0.7 is a collection of English Wikipedia articles due to be released on DVD, and available for free download, later this year. The Version 1.0 Editorial Team has made an automated selection of articles for Version 0.7.

We would like to ask you to review the articles selected from this project. These were chosen from the articles with this project's talk page tag, based on the rated importance and quality. If there are any specific articles that should be removed, please let us know at Wikipedia talk:Version 0.7. You can also nominate additional articles for release, following the procedure at Release Version Nominations.

A list of selected articles with cleanup tags, sorted by project, is available. The list is automatically updated each hour when it is loaded. Please try to fix any urgent problems in the selected articles. A team of copyeditors has agreed to help with copyediting requests, although you should try to fix simple issues on your own if possible.

We would also appreciate your help in identifying the version of each article that you think we should use, to help avoid vandalism or POV issues. These versions can be recorded at this project's subpage of User:SelectionBot/0.7. We are planning to release the selection for the holiday season, so we ask you to select the revisions before October 20. At that time, we will use an automatic process to identify which version of each article to release, if no version has been manually selected. Thanks! For the Wikipedia 1.0 Editorial team, SelectionBot 22:31, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks good.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 06:04, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article review/Barack Obama
For those not following at WP:CHIR or WP:CHIDISCUSS see the discussion at Featured article review/Barack Obama.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 12:57, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Notability for an ancestor?
An ancestor of mine, John Henry Raap, was an entrepeneur and businessman in Chicago in the late 19th century. I found a one-page writeup on him in an album of Chicagoans thought to be notable at the time so that's something. He may not have been a major figure in Chicago, but he was important enough that I was also able to find a full page writeup of his murder in the microfilmed copies of the Chicago Tribune at Harold Washington Library. I know that notability is not temporary, so having only older sources in theory shouldn't be a problem, but are these enough sources on their own to establish notability? If not, what else should I be looking for? I think I once found an inquest report online, and of course there are cemetery records, census, and other things to verify facts with. BOZ (talk) 15:50, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I usually start with the Encyclopedia of Chicago and Newsbank for local and local history articles.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 21:49, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Cool, thanks. :) BOZ (talk) 00:27, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Chicago
I'm not a member of this project, but I saw Chicago, Illinois redirected to Chicago. Shouldn't it be the other way around? I think the full name would be more appropriate. I'm not an expert though, so are anyone's thoughts on this?-- LAA Fan sign review 01:35, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I suspect that Chicago is better-known internationally than its state, so adding "Illinois" wouldn't really accomplish much. Zagalejo^^^ 20:38, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Sandwood?
Anyone know if there is/was ever a small town close to Chicago by the name of Sandwood? Theodore Dreiser mentions the place in Jennie Gerhardt, though it could be a fictional place.Zigzig20s (talk) 23:01, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I would guess it does not exist because was pretty diligent about creating and organizing most Illinois municipalities.  Furthermore, nothing links there.  I.e., no redlinks exist for Sandwood, IL or Sandwood, Illinois.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 02:10, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Chicago Blackhawks
Hello to everybody in this project. The WikiProject Ice Hockey is currently looking for editors to help update team articles about the 2008-09 NHL season. If you are interested in the NHL, please consider helping us keep these article current. To sign up, go to this page and add your name beside the team or teams you wish to particpate in. For a guide to expanding the article, see 2007-08 Pittsburgh Penguins season which is currently listed as a Good Article. If you have any questions, feel free to ask at WT:HOCKEY or at my talk page. Hope to here back from you,  Grsz  Review!  16:48, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I am not sure who to suggest that you turn to. However, if you look at WP:CHICAGO in our GA list you will find a few hockey articles.  Some of these editors may be able to help you or know who to point you to.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 04:55, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Andrés Nocioni
This article is part of WikiProject Chicago and is currently under GA review.— Chris!  c t 01:43, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Boyce Building
I need a free pic of the Boyce Building on North Dearborn. It's on the National Register of Historic Places. Can someone help me out? Pics of the whole bldg, the entrance, and the Lone Scout plaque would be awesome. tks. — Rlevse • Talk  • 01:30, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Friendly Notice of an Article for Deletion
The article Paul LaVinn is being considered for deletion. You may participate in the discussion at Articles for deletion/Paul LaVinn.

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Chicagoland Sports Hall of Fame
I was surprised that the Chicago Sports Hall of Fame, see link wasn't an article, but found out that its name is "the Chicagoland Sports Hall of Fame." There's only a couple other similar "city" halls on Wikipedia (SF "Bay area" and "Georgia"). It might make a good list rather than an article. There are something like 200-300 members, almost all would have an article. Smallbones (talk) 18:36, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Have at it. It would likely survive WP:N if properly sourced.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 17:49, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

HELP! I've started the article/list but underestimated how much time and expertise it would take. Any Chicago sports fans would probably enjoy tracking down a few honorees and inserting their sport, position, Chicago team and other major team into the proper boxes. It might also be a place to look for famous Chicagoans who don't have a Wikipedia article - did you know that Babe Baranowski does not have an article?

Any help appreciated.

Smallbones (talk) 20:38, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * A few of them already had articles under different names. I made redirects for Nate Clifton, Tommy Hawkins, and Lennie Sachs. I might knock out a couple of other redlinks later this week. Zagalejo^^^ 21:16, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

List of supercentenarians from the United States
Just a note that I removed List of supercentenarians from the United States from this wikiproject. If every list-member's city's wikiproject was attached to this article it would be a very long list. davidwr/ (talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail)  07:24, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Good Call.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 14:13, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Weight of Chicago's 2006 "big-box living wage" ordinance in Alderman Toni Preckwinkle article
Hello, I please request advice on dealing with an WP:UNDUE issue with respect to certain content in an article on a Chicago alderman. At least 3 rounds of reverts have been exchanged, although not within the same day, and the text has evolved somewhat with successive reverts. Extensive discussion on talk page completed without resolution.Talk:Toni Preckwinkle: Level of detail of background information on big box ordinance. One round of WP:3 completed without resolution. Thank you. --Hugh (talk) 19:05, 30 December 2008 (UTC)