Wikipedia talk:WikiProject China/Archive 29

Rainbow Ruby earned something in China...
... but what is it (or, what are they)?

Apparently, Rainbow Ruby (彩虹宝宝), a multinational co-production which involves a company in China, received some award(s) and/or recognition(s) in China, according to, and. Also, it gained some kind of aproval. But I don't know what exactly are they because I don't understand Chinese at all. Anyone fluent in Chinese care to help? --58.123.222.52 (talk) 16:01, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
 * http://www.sz-gameshow.com/hotnews/hot-news/171-2015-10-01-07-59-35.html: It received the "Grand Prize, Anime Category, rank no. 7" in the "China Anime Games Creative Investment Awards" (tentative translation - 中国动漫游戏创投奖) on 1 October 2015. The Awards are run by the Chinese Animation Society and the Korean Gangwon Province Information and Culture Promotion Agency.
 * http://www.mcprc.gov.cn/whzx/bnsjdt/whcys/201607/t20160720_462784.html: It was one of the projects selected for the 2016 "Anime which Promotes Socialist Core Values" subsidy project by the Chinese Ministry of Culture.
 * http://www.sapprft.gov.cn/sapprft/contents/6588/305775.shtml: The list linked from this page says that the show was selected as one of the "Excellent Programmes Recommended for Broadcasting" in the second quarter of 2016, by the State Administration for Radio Film & Television, because it "insists on correct value guidance, and possesses relatively high artistic merit and production quality".
 * http://www.acgnet.cn/code111/001/201606/d1c527ccce6a48e1b2453facea035132.shtml: It received a domestic animation film distribution licence from the government. --165.225.80.125 (talk) 11:25, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Hmm, Socialist values... Anyway, thank you for your kind tips. --58.123.222.52 (talk) 12:35, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Found another thing: it seems like, according to, an exhibition was held about the works (including Rainbow Ruby) that won socialist values project.

Also, an article needs to be created about the animations and comics with socialist values thing at both Chinese and English Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.123.222.52 (talk) 15:44, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
 * There are "socialist core value" everything now, not sure it's feasible to have a separate article on all "socialist core value X". That said, just noticed that there is no article on socialist core values itself (which is a propaganda campaign centred around a set of 12 two-character slogans), and I think it would make sense to have that article and then things like "socialist core value anime" can be treated in sections within that article. There's much to be said about the irony that the slogans include "democracy", "liberty", "equality" and "rule of law", and the absurd propaganda campaigns like the one where people were told to get off buses if they could not recite the 12 slogans. --165.225.80.115 (talk) 14:55, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Okay, so that's two articles (which are translation of zh:社会主义核心价值观 and zh:社会主义核心价值体系) that must created at the English Wikipedia. Meanwhile, I'll ask the folks at the Chinese Wikipedia about Rainbow Ruby in PRC. --58.123.222.52 (talk) 06:32, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Well, I'll begin with less or not-so controversial ones, like the show receiving entertainment awards. --58.123.222.52 (talk) 11:26, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

Wu Zetian → Empress Wu move request
There is currently a move request discussion related to this WikiProject taking place at Talk:Wu Zetian. Please weigh in there if you care. —  AjaxSmack  02:22, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Kleshas
These articles and their redirects need to be untangled: Kleshas (Hinduism), Kleshas, and Kleshas (Buddhism). Particular attention needs to be paid to Kleshas, which used to be a disambiguation page. Right now it says The Five Poisons are five perceived threats to the stability of the rule of the Communist Party of China., with nothing about the etymology and no mention of the other articles. It seems fine to me if it's an overview or summary article instead of a dab page, but it's incomplete as it is.

The redirects to these articles seem pretty random; sorting them out might be easy for someone knowledgeable in these areas. — Gorthian (talk) 19:25, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Civil Service of the People's Republic of China — Civil service of China move request
There is currently a move request discussion relating to this WikiProject taking place at Talk:Civil Service of the People's Republic of China. Please participate in the discussion AusLondonder (talk) 03:11, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

National Emblem of the People's Republic of China — National emblem of China move request
There is currently a move request discussion relating to this WikiProject taking place at Talk:National Emblem of the People's Republic of China. Please participate in the discussion AusLondonder (talk) 03:12, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

Red bean soup split discussion
Please come participate in the discussion to determine if this article should be split into two or more articles. Thank you. ··· 日本穣 ·  投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 06:29, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

Proposed changes to WP:NC-ZH
I invite you to the recent discussion about proposing a change to WP:NC-ZH. --George Ho (talk) 13:41, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

translation map of townships of China
Can anybody translate map of townships of China from chinese to english?
 * Township level administrative map of Yunnan
 * Township level administrative map of Guizhou--Kaiyr (talk) 17:06, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

Wu/Shanghainese romanization?
There are romanizations of Wu scattered throughout Wikipedia, but a quick |+*wuu+*%3D%2F&title=Special:Search&profile=default&fulltext=1 search finds and either
 * 1) tones being represented by the historical four tones
 * 2) tones being marked via unexplained numbers
 * 3) no tones being marked at all,
 * 1) usage of the Long-short system, a system of unclear notability
 * 2) IPA (|lmz+%3F%3D%2F&title=Special:Search&profile=default&fulltext=1 placed in the parameter for Long-short due to the labeling being a deceptively vague "Shanghainese romanization")
 * 3) no explanation of the romanization used.

Can this hodgepodge situation be remedied? —suzukaze (t・c) 04:36, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree that there seems to be no evidence that "long-short" is notable or widely accepted. In the absence of someone unearthing a well documented romanisation scheme devised by 19th century French missionaries (say), I would prefer to just stick with IPA. It's consistent, reliable, and well documented, although not user-friendly. The next best option would be just ad hoc Anglicisation, which is user friendly but fails on the other criteria. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 16:34, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Fan Ho, or Ho Fan
The article Ho Fan starts (after I've stripped a reference):


 * Fan Ho (8 October 1931 – 19 June 2016) was a celebrated Chinese photographer, film director, and actor.

and it goes on to talk about "Fan Ho" or "Ho" (but not "Ho Fan"). There's a Chinese article on him, zh:何藩, so I'd guess that the name 何藩 is correct. And (from my hazy understanding of Japanese but ignorance of Chinese) I'd rather wildly guess that this is Ho Fan rather than Fan Ho.

But enough of guesswork. Given the choice between original Chinese order and westernized order (if different), I have a strong personal preference. But I'm happy to put that aside. It's silly to have a name one way around in the title and the other way around in the text. What are the facts here, and what's the best thing to do? -- Hoary (talk) 01:46, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
 * As ever, we should follow common usage in reliable English-language sources. This isn't the only case of someone with a Chinese name who is best known in English with the surname last, e.g. Yuen Ren Chao.  I'd say the text is right, but needs to be moved.  It also needs a  note.  Kanguole 02:27, 4 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Thank you, Kanguole. Could I ask you to take a quick look to check that I didn't do anything wrong in my edit and move? Additionally, I'd like to add pinyin to the template for the man's actual name (the Zh-t template or its successor, I mean, not the hatnote); but I haven't done this myself because I don't know the tones. -- Hoary (talk) 07:28, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Pinyin is not appropriate as it’s not Putonghua but Cantonese: see 何 which gives the pronunciation hè in Mandarin and ho6 or ho1 in Cantonese. It’s almost certainly a Cantonese pronunciation of his name, as he moved to Hong Kong at an early age. But the tones are unclear, at least for his surname.-- JohnBlackburne wordsdeeds 08:42, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Actually I misread Wiktionary. I think the pronunciation for his family name is ho4, the first and main entry under Chinese at 何, while from 藩 his given name is faan4. It makes sense as it matches his name in Cantonese ('aa' or long 'a' is often Romanised just as 'a' – see e.g. Wan Chai). Putting it all in a template gives:


 * Fan Ho.
 * -- JohnBlackburne wordsdeeds 09:00, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you, JohnBlackburne. I'm appalled to realize that I seem to unconsciously subscribe to the fiction that there's one Chinese language, of which Cantonese is one of several quaint variants. (When conscious, of course I don't believe this.) -- Hoary (talk) 13:09, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
 * In Mandarin, the surname 何 is also frequently romanized as "Ho" (because the pinyin romanization "He" is too confusing in English). "Fan" is also Mandarin. Timmyshin (talk) 23:41, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Syncretism in Chinese Buddhism?
I was trying to find a replacement for an out-of-place image in our Religion in Singapore article and found zh:聖家廟, but Chinese Wikipedia explicitly calls it "道教廟宇" and not "佛教寺院" or whatever. Does this mean it would be a bad image to represent "Buddhism in Singapore"? I'm really not sure, as if a Japanese religious institution was explicitly called 神道 as opposed to 仏教 in a Wikipedia article it would usually mean that the answer is "No", but I'm not sure how it works in China (or, rather, in overseas Chinese communities). Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 02:14, 1 March 2017 (UTC)
 * There's a blurred distinction between Taoism and Chinese folk religion in China, but there is a relatively sharp distinction between those two and Buddhism. Of course, in overseas Chinese communities the line is less sharp, as it is not uncommon for Buddhist and Taoist/folk religion shrines to be in the same complex, sometimes in the same building. My sense from what I have read about the temple in question is that it falls on the Taoist/folk side of the line, however. Although it has Guanyin, this is not uncommon in temples firmly identified as Toaist/folk, and although Sun Wukong is fictionally a Buddhist in the source work, worship of the fictional character as a god is fairly firmly a folk religion thing. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 11:51, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Geographic Features
Just a heads up to WP:CHINA members, I have a couple questions about geographic features that I have left on different talkpages:
 * 1) How should features such as 湟水 (Huang Shui) be translated?
 * 2) How should features such as 云开大山 (Yunkai Dashan) be translated?

Both questions relate to naming conventions as part of WP:ZH that I'm hoping to clarify. I appreciate comments from interested members on the respective talkpages! --NoGhost (talk) 02:37, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Propose to indicate East Asian age reckoning clearly in biographies
I am worried that the mixtures of traditional and modern age reckoning in biographies were less rigorous, especially in chronicle section. Thus, maybe it is better to indicate East Asian age reckoning clearly in biographies. Med Nyin (talk) 14:34, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

Big Ear Tutu
Is anyone from this WikiProject familiar with a cartoon called Big Ear Tutu? It's been unsourced since it was created back in 2015 (the only external link provided is to YouTube which appears to be dead and may have been removed as a copyvio), so it's not clear if WP:TVSHOW is satisfied. It is quite possible that sources for the show can be found in Chinese, but not sure how to find them. Thanks in advance. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:21, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
 * The Chinese language page cites sources - I have now linked the two. Chinese Wikipedia seems to indicate it started as a knock-off of Crayon Shin-chan but has now developed independently. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 20:10, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Proposed renaming of Chinese secondary school categories
Hi! In Categories_for_discussion/Log/2017_March_16 I proposed renaming the cats Category:Middle schools in China and Category:High schools in China to "Junior secondary schools in China" and "Senior secondary schools in China". Knowing from personal experience and from looking at websites of Chinese schools I know a Chinese person would be confused by the current English names of the categories (in China a "middle school" does not mean the same thing that it does in the U.S.!) - It's better to be clear and unambiguous about which levels the categories cover.

Since many Chinese secondary schools (中学 xhongxue) have both junior secondary and senior secondary levels, there will be a lot of overlap. WhisperToMe (talk) 22:04, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Daikon split discussion
Please come participate in the split discussion regarding the Daikon article. Thank you. --Epulum (talk) 06:40, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Draft translation for Chinese wikipedia of Please Like Me
User:Gupulvzhou/sandbox appears to be a draft Chinese version of Please Like Me. The editor does not appear to be active now. I suggest someone who is fluent in Chinese might like to import the page to Chinese wikipedia, then tag the user sandbox for deletion. – Fayenatic  L ondon 14:50, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Rail transport in Walt Disney Parks & Resorts featured list
Greetings. I am attempting to get the Rail transport in Walt Disney Parks and Resorts article upgraded to featured list status here: Featured list candidates/Rail transport in Walt Disney Parks and Resorts/archive1. If you are a member of this task force, your input will be valuable.  Jackdude 101  ( Talk ) 23:38, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Seeking Admin
Greetings. I am seeking an Admin from either/or Cantonese Wikipedia or Chinese Wikipedia. This is in regards to the possibility of speaking on the subject of editing Wikipedia within that language at a convention. Please contact me on my talk page.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 17:34, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

Move discussion
Greetings! I have recently relisted a requested move discussion at Talk:Couplet (Chinese poetry), regarding a page relating to this WikiProject. Discussion and opinions are invited. Thanks, Yashovardhan (talk) 04:16, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Changing BC to BCE
Can you take a look at this? I'm not sure what your preferences are. Best, Nicnote  •  ask me a question  •  contributions  22:46, 18 April 2017 (UTC)
 * WP:ERA applies: any changes require discussion. Kanguole 23:13, 18 April 2017 (UTC)

Notability of cannabis in China
Hi, I have started a discussion at Talk:Cannabis in China because I do not think the mere fact that (i) a plant is notable; and (ii) it is grown in China, makes "plant in China" notable. Another user seems to disagree, so I would be interested in the view from others who are familiar with the topic. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 12:03, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Notability discussion at Talk:Cannabis in China
Your comments welcome to resolve. Goonsquad LCpl Mulvaney (talk) 18:12, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

New descendant wikiproject
Members of this project may be interested in WikiProject Chinese in New York City, a descendant project that has been created recently. Regards, epicgenius (talk) 18:43, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Relisted RfD for civil service of China
The RfD for civil service of China was recently relisted. I invite you to comment there. --George Ho (talk) 19:10, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

Popular pages report
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Automated assessment of article importance
Hello everyone! I'm currently working on a project studying how to do automatic classification of article importance. As part of that project, I've done some analysis of articles within the scope of WikiProject China and built a model to predict article importance. Started a thread over on the assessment page with more information and a link to our predictions (as well as a few other types of articles that might need an updated importance rating). Since I hadn't seen any comments over the past week, I thought I'd get in touch in here as well, would appreciate your thoughts and comments! Regards, Nettrom (talk) 23:45, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

Cǎoguǒ
Hi! Please come and help with this discussion regarding cǎoguǒ (草果). Thanks! --Brett (talk) 11:23, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Input needed
Please weigh in here. Thanks. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 11:49, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Gate of Heavenly Purity?
Should there be a Wikipedia article for the Gate of Heavenly Purity, in Beijing's Forbidden City? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 04:46, 12 May 2017 (UTC) Why not? LuKesi (talk) 20:49, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Zh Wikipedia
Hello. I am in China where zh Wikipedia is blocked. I got an alert saying I was mentioned in this edit. Could someone please help me know what is being said? Many thanks. Please post at the bottom of this page because it is no doubt about that thread. Thank you kindly. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 22:34, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Never mind. Got it. Discussion now here. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 23:07, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

Translation help requested


Regarding this image, used in brake fluid, and whether this change is a better translation. Should it be, "Please check your brakes and add brake fluid!" (meaning the special fluid for hydraulic brakes) or "Please check your brakes and add brake cooling water!" (meaning an additional supply of water to cool hot brakes on this long descent).

Thanks to anyone who can help with this. Andy Dingley (talk) 20:00, 3 June 2017 (UTC)


 * I had never heard of "刹车水", and from googling it does seem to be different to brake fluid. It seems to be water for cooling the brakes and specific to trucks. For example, this forum discussion about why there are water stations by the side of highways seems to say that trucks in China typically have water-cooled brakes, so the water needs to be regularly topped up in hilly areas. I don't have any experience with trucks and am not sure whether this is uniquely Chinese. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 16:15, 5 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I've gone with the cooling water translation. Andy Dingley (talk) 10:55, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Disputed territory question
Seems to me the PRC isn't recognized by 20 UN member states that recognized the ROC. Fighting tooth and nail, does the ROC still claim the mainland as part of their territory as judged by this edit? Supreme Dragon (talk) 17:11, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * That edit was mine. By no stretch of the imagination is [mainland] China 'disputed territory'. The territories that don’t recognise China are small not only in number but in size and importance, consisting mostly of small island states in Oceania and the Americas. They have no influence at e.g. the UN, where China is not only a member but one of the five countries on the Security Council.-- JohnBlackburne wordsdeeds 17:34, 7 June 2017 (UTC)
 * In response to 's question, not only does the ROC still claim Mainland China's territory, they technically still claim Mongolia's as well.  White Whirlwind  咨   01:55, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Edit: it seems the ROC has formally recognized Mongolia since 2012 and seems to have dropped their claim on it .  White Whirlwind  咨   02:04, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks guys, so another question is, since Taiwan and China "claim" to be separate states, does the ROC (Taiwan) and PRC (China) belong to the same "China"? We know Panama and Vatican still recognizes Taipei as "China". If this issue is discussed, the US referred to Taiwan as "China" or the "Republic of China" before the passing of the Taiwan Relations Act in 1979 that changed the definition. Supreme Dragon (talk) 14:44, 8 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Taiwan and China do not formally claim to be separate states. Formally, they are alternative claimants to be the government that represents the single state, China. China's claim is recognised by more countries, and Taiwan's claim is recognised by fewer. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 09:26, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

What modern province is Pu Prefecture (Shandong) in?
Sorry for the weird section title, but could someone familiar with historical Chinese administrative divisions take a look at this? My source says that the subject was exiled to "Pu Prefecture", and in parentheses puts Pu Prefecture in modern Fan County, Henan. zh.wiki says 中国河南省东北部，...旧属山东省, which would solve the problem, but does anyone here know where to find a more reliable source? Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 04:24, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Chinese wikipedia says Pu Prefecture was across modern-day Shandong, Henan and Hebei. It says that in 596AD the prefecture seat was in Juancheng, in Shandong. In 621AD its boundaries took in modern-day Juancheng, Shandong; Fan County, Henan; and the southern part of Puyang, Henan. In 742, when Pu Prefecture became Puyang Commandery before reverting in 758, the seat was still Juancheng. I can't find any sources directly confirming that the seat of Pu Prefecture was still in Juancheng in 902, but also can't find any sources that say it had moved from Juancheng before then. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 09:47, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
 * The area covered by Pu Prefecture during the Tang straddles the border of modern Shandong and Henan Provinces and is indeed centered around Juancheng. Shi (2005) is your best bet here, sadly I don't have an electronic version of it in my collection.  I checked Tan Qixiang's work, which is still the source par excellence for this stuff, and vol. 5 pp. 44-45 clearly shows the borders.   White Whirlwind  咨   11:42, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
 * The 中国历史地名大词典 (Dictionary of Chinese Historical Place Names) cited in the article is certainly a reliable source, although not very detailed. The most detailed and authoritative source for historical Chinese divisions is 中国行政区划通史 (History of Chinese Administrative Divisions) edited by Zhou Zhenhe 周振鹤 of Fudan University (student of the late Tan Qixiang) and written by dozens of scholars. According to Volume 6 (Tang dynasty) pp. 343-345, Pu Prefecture governed Juancheng, Fan, Leize, Linpu, and Puyang counties, with Juancheng as its seat. Fan County originally belonged to Ji Prefecture during the Sui dynasty, briefly formed its own prefecture (Fanzhou) in 619, but became part of Puzhou a few years later and remained so throughout the Tang dynasty. -Zanhe (talk) 11:53, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Nomination of Tony Chang for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Tony Chang is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Tony Chang until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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LGBT culture in Beijing
Project members are invited to help expand the newly-created article LGBT culture in Beijing. Thank you. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 02:37, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Discussion Talk:Fan_(surname)
Just a note on this possible issue of interest to the project Talk:Fan_(surname) KylieTastic (talk) 12:11, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

AfD for Michael Ching (businessman)
The article for the Chinese-Canadian businessman Michael Ching (businessman) has been nominated for AfD. You're welcome to join the discussion at Articles for deletion/Michael Ching (businessman). -Zanhe (talk) 18:23, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

RfC: Proposal to remove Chinese from lead in parentheses
There is an RfC at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Lead section‎‎ proposing to remove CJK in parentheses from the lead (as well as IPA pronunciations). Please do come participate in the discussion. Thanks! TheInfernoX (talk) 15:23, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

Nomination of The core ideology of socialism for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article The core ideology of socialism is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/The core ideology of socialism until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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The core ideology of socialism
Could someone here take a look at The core ideology of socialism? The article appears to have been written by a Chinese-speaking editor and cites sources in Chinese. It's in AfD (notice posted above), but I have a hunch that it's an encyclopedic topic that needs the help of someone with both strong Chinese and English language proficiency. Specifically, I wonder if the name of this topic is typically translated differently into English than it is in that article. - GretLomborg (talk) 04:14, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, the name is wrong. I have moved the article and rewrote some of the sections. Alex ShihTalk 06:13, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Postal romanization
Hey guys, I just came up with an idea to use the Chinese Postal romanization one by one for future edits. I listed the examples based on this link:


 * Mao Zedong > Mao Tse-tung
 * Deng Xiaoping > Teng Hsiao-ping
 * Jiang Zemin > Chiang Tse-min
 * Hu Jintao > Hu Chin-t'ao
 * Xi Jinping > Hsi Chin-ping
 * Bo Xilai > Po Hsi-lai
 * Gongchandang > Kungchantang (Communist Party of China)
 * Yīgè Zhōngguó yuánzé > Ige Chungkuo Yuantse (One-China principle)
 * Yìyǒngjūn Jìnxíngqǔ > Iyungchun Chinhsingchu (March of the Volunteers)
 * Yiguo, liangzhi > Ikuo, liangchih (One country, two systems)
 * Hong Kong > Hung K'ung
 * Macau > Aomen
 * Zhonghua Renmin Gongheguo > Chunghwa Jenmin Kunghokuo (People's Republic of China)
 * Zhōnghuá Rénmín Gònghéguó Chénglì Liùshí Zhōunián Qìngdiǎn > Chunghwa Jenmin Kungkokuo Chengli Liushih Chownien Ch'ingtian (60th anniversary of the People's Republic of China)

What do you guys think? Any proposals? Supreme Dragon (talk) 21:16, 12 July 2017 (UTC)


 * You're mixing up several different schemes of romanization. Most are Wade-Giles: Mao Tse-tung, Teng Hsiao-ping (should be Teng Hsiao-p'ing), Chiang Tse-min, etc., which was the dominant romanization scheme before being replaced by pinyin in the 1980s. It is already included in many articles, and should be included in most history-related articles. Postal romanization is different and normally only used in place names (Peking, Nanking, Tientsin, etc.) and should be included in geographical articles. "Hung K'ung", "Ige Chungkuo Yuantse", "Chunghwa Jenmin Kungkokuo" etc. do not conform to any standard and are probably made up by someone who has no idea what they're doing. -Zanhe (talk) 21:28, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I am actually looking deeper on the net to find the proper Postal romanization. Anyone help me out here to add the chart? Supreme Dragon (talk) 21:34, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
 * PSP is an ad-hoc historical anomaly, not a systematic romanization scheme, and should not be applied to topics unrelated to historical postal names. You may wish to brush up on Wade-Giles, which is a systematic scheme and dominant until the 1980s (still widely used in academia today, although pinyin is slowing taking over). -Zanhe (talk) 21:40, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
 * what does "use one by one" even mean? If you mean to convert the romanization schemes in the articles to postal romanization, that is a terrible idea and you should not even consider it.  It's an old, outdated system that was used only for certain place-names.  If you make any changes using it, they will be immediately reverted.   White Whirlwind  咨   21:42, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
 * It means to say  White Whirlwind  咨   why not add the postal romanization for reference sake. I notice the Korea-related topics use Hanja in their articles but a few people can read pinyin or postal.


 * EDIT: The CCP was actually called "Kungchantang" in some sources like one of the CIA documents.Supreme Dragon (talk) 21:47, 12 July 2017 (UTC)


 * You seem to be confusing PSP with Wade-Giles. It's fine to add WG to most articles for reference, but stay away from PSP, except for Qing dynasty and Republican-era place names. BTW, Kungchantang is Wade-Giles spelling, with the hyphens and apostrophe omitted. -Zanhe (talk) 21:52, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Heads up on Guangming Daily (China) RM
There is an RM started at Talk:Guangming Daily (China), proposing to make that the primary topic for both Guang Ming Daily and Guangming Daily, with Guang Ming Daily (Malaysia) as the secondary topic. Currently there is no PTOPIC. Thanks &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 08:54, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Haicang Town
I came across the article for Haicang Town from the list of articles needing more Wikilinks. A comment on the Talk page suggests that there has been an administrative change that Haicang is no longer designated a town in China. I thought maybe this group would be best to address what to do with the article. Brookfre (talk) 21:23, 18 July 2017 (UTC)


 * I've redirected the article to Haicang District. Alex ShihTalk 02:20, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Potential Hoax article?
I'm extremely skeptical about the current Zui quan article. Sources about the Jackie Chan movie of that name seem to suggest that this was a comedic style of martial art invented for the movie, not a respected historical tradition. The current state of referencing on the article do little to alay my suspicions, I think it's fair to doubt the reliability of most of the sources used. Would anybody be able to verify the sources, especially those cited in the 'History' section of the article? Landscape repton (talk) 11:09, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
 * You're right about the current article is filled with unreliable sources. The tradition did exist however, although peripheral, and it was simply popularized by the film. There are several academic sources outside of filmography. A complete re-write with these sources would be appropriate. Alex ShihTalk 12:13, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

RfC on Film censorship in China
There is an RfC at Talk:Film censorship in China regarding the adding columns to a table showing the original runtime of a film and its runtime upon release in China. This RfC comes after multiple discussions and a recently closed DRN. Comments would be appreciated. ~Cheers, Ten  Ton  Parasol  18:32, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Group of Two as part of Cold War II
The "Group of Two", the proposed special relationship between US and China, was recently added into Cold War II. It is discussed at Talk:Cold War II. --George Ho (talk) 06:15, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

I have listed the discussion as RfC discussion. --George Ho (talk) 06:28, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Ethnic issues in China article
The Ethnic issues in China article looks like it could use a lot of improvement by someone who knows something about the subject. It's extremely odd to me that the article focuses so much on racism committed by and between different minority groups, but spends relatively little time on racism committed by the majority ethnicity against minorities. I suspect there are significant WP:NPOV issues, but I don't really know enough to say for sure. - GretLomborg (talk) 23:11, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
 * You are correct about the imbalance, I will take a look later and try to cleanup the page. Alex ShihTalk 23:44, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I was digging around in some of the older revisions and I found this, which was removed but seems relevant. - GretLomborg (talk) 23:54, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Provincial maps
I've noticed that the maps for all provincial-level territories in China have been changed. I was just wondering what the reason was for this? In my view, it appears the new maps are 1) less visually clear, 2) less consistent with other maps on WP, and 3) in a lossier format (jpg vs svg). Compare OLD with NEW.  If there is a discussion somewhere on why this has occurred, I would appreciate the explanation.  Thanks! --NoGhost (talk) 18:28, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree with all of these points. The loss of distinction between sea and neighbouring land is another step backwards.  Kanguole 18:35, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
 * This is definitely a step backwards, and I am certain there wasn't any discussion. I've dropped a note at the user talk page to ask for clarification. Alex ShihTalk 14:07, 29 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry for adding all those new maps. I'm just somewhat new to Wikipedia and don't know all the does and dont's (besides the obvious ones about copyright). Please change the maps back to what they once were. I should have looked here on the talk page and seen what actually needed changing.C1MM (talk) 00:19, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the comment! Take care. Alex ShihTalk 03:09, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Okay great, all the maps have been changed back. Thanks! --NoGhost (talk) 19:33, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

Peace Treaty with North Korea at AfD
Dear Participants of WikiProject China Thank you for your efforts and contribution of Wikipedia. From my understanding, North Korea nuclear issue is quite related to many parts of China. Please refer to this Invitation to AfD and let us know your opinion for this article whether it should be "Keep", "Delete", "Merge", "Redirect", or other view Comment  on the top page of Peace Treaty with North Korea, please click the link this article's entry for your valuable opinion. Goodtiming8871 (talk) 10:27, 11 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Reference link : Wikietiquette about AfD
 * For the AfD Articles for deletion/Peace Treaty with North Korea -- JohnBlackburne wordsdeeds 10:34, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

Help reading/translating 大晟府?
Hey, could someone with a knowledge of Northern Song government offices and/or music take a look at this?

I'm gonna mainspace the page shortly, at which point the above diff's url will (probably?) change to this.

Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 11:16, 18 September 2017 (UTC)


 * This 2014 PhD thesis gives da sheng fu or "Grand Music Bureau" on p. 5, this book chapter gives simply "Dasheng Institute" on p. 267 and this site gives Dasheng Fu, "Imperial Music Bureau." The pronunciation is also corroborated here and here. I've changed the spelling accordingly. Cobblet (talk) 15:58, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Actually, the first source cites recent scholarship indicating that Zhou was not in fact the head of the Music Bureau. I'll update the page to reflect that. Cobblet (talk) 16:06, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Huh. Interesting. Thanks for the work! (The first source looks like a good general resource for expanding the article beyond its current state, so thank you especially for digging that up.) Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 21:41, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, I've readded "superintendent" in a footnote. It's an interesting piece of historiographical debate, if nothing else, and the fact that our paper encyclopedias all cite the older view as fact means simply citing the new view without even mentioning the older one might confuse readers. Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 22:07, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Makes sense – happy to help. I've found another source in English that I'll mention on the article's talk page. Cobblet (talk) 23:47, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

RfC pertaining to naming of railway lines
There is an RfC on WT:TRAINS on the disambiguation style used for railway lines, particularly numbered lines. The naming of articles for rapid transit lines in Mainland China may be particularly affected, since they use a largely unique naming style. Jc86035 (talk) 12:01, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

If you visit the Bund
We need a photo of the new and spectacular Fosun Foundation. Many thanks. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:13, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Request for comment for those who live in mainland China.
FYI, see m:CentralNotice/Request/Wiki_Science_Competition_2017_(November_1-30). It's a request for banner for Wiki Science Competition. Actually, we have two jurors from China but it's difficult for us to make a campaign and we have no uploaded files.Vietnam and India might get something.. for sure Thailand, Russia, Taiwan and Australia might get a sitenotice but not China, which will be one of the few countries in East Asia without appropriate coverage.--Alexmar983 (talk) 15:17, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Is it appropriate to call Hong Kong a country in the article Four Asian Tigers?
The article itself is a bit of a mess, with some original research, an IP hopper recently, and other problems including promotional wording, huge lists of citations, etc. Doug Weller  talk 09:16, 13 November 2017 (UTC)
 * It would be better to say "economy" – that would also avoid arguments about Taiwan's status. And yes, the lead of that article has been stuffed with puffery, making it useless, as mentioned on the talk page.  Kanguole 09:38, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Help identifying monument
I took this photograph in Shanghai, probably not far from People's Square, but I can't identify this monument. Is anyone familiar? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:31, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
 * It's a monument of zh:南京路上好八连 ("Good Eighth Company on Nanjing Road") per . Timmyshin (talk) 08:55, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Might you be willing to create a stub for the monument here at English Wikipedia? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:06, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
 * The monument is most likely not notable. Timmyshin (talk) 21:17, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Even though there's a Chinese Wikipedia article? Or, can you tell if the Chinese Wikipedia article about a topic more general than just the monument itself? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:20, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
 * The zh.wiki article is about the subject of the monument: a People's Liberation Army company stationed in Shanghai which became famous during a propaganda campaign in the 1950s/1960s. I suppose it's notable, but it'll be hard to translate the topic into English. Timmyshin (talk) 21:26, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:27, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

Unidentified statues
Is a project member able to help identify this statue/monument in Shanghai's Jing'an Park? Notable enough for a stub? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:29, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
 * It's a teachers' monument. Doesn't look particularly notable. Cobblet (talk) 21:45, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:47, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

Also, how about File:Shanghai (December 10, 2015) - 062.jpg? Here's the plaque. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:38, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
 * It's a monument to Zhang Side. Again not particularly notable. Cobblet (talk) 21:45, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:47, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

Missing article related to Forbidden City?
I created some talk page sections starting at Talk:Forbidden_City to discuss whether or not articles should be created for a few topics related to Forbidden City. Project members are invited to contribute. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:05, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Sorry to bother, but you've both been so helpful today and thought I'd ask if you might know anything about these Forbidden City structures, and whether or not they're independently notable. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:02, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

Help with a draft?
I was wondering if anyone would be willing to help with the drafts at User:Happyweekdays/Chinese students in the United States and User:Happyweekdays/Chinese faculty in U.S. I think that this could be a good topic on Wikipedia in general considering how many Chinese people are coming to the United States for education and/or to serve as educators, enough to where it would warrant its own article. Currently the student who is working on these topics has students and faculty in two different articles, but I don't know if they could be merged into one article. Any help with this as far as advice or edits would be much appreciated! Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 21:26, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
 * (Cross posting this to a few places to see if we can get more help.) Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 21:26, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Tianjin Binhai Library
If you live in Tianjin, please get a photo of the new and stunning Tianjin Binhai Library. Thank you!


 * Image gallery

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:12, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Chinese Ambassador to Belgium
Would the article be improved if a separate column was made with only the image in it and insert interlangagelinks where possible? Lotje (talk) 12:43, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I guess. Other than the images (which, size wise, are disproportionate at the moment), the lede needs to be expanded. Alex Shih (talk) 16:52, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
 * , where should the image be inserted? First colum seems the most logical to me. Lotje (talk) 17:53, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Second column is probably better. See Featured_lists for better examples. Alex Shih (talk) 19:30, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

Input needed on Quanzhang/Hokkien/Southern Min/Minnan Proper mess
Please see Talk:Hokkien. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ &gt;ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ&lt;  10:17, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

Maoist Theory of National Struggle
Would someone from this WikiProject mind assessing Maoist Theory of National Struggle? It's a newly created article moved directly to the mainspace by a student participating in Wiki_Ed/UCSD/HIGR_210_Socialism_in_China_(2017_Fall). Just for reference, the article has already been userfied once before, but maybe this time around it is OK for the mainspace. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:09, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Need help reading a sign
Please help with the second horizontal.


 * Left vertical: "Wild Honey"
 * First Horizontal: "Dissolve lung mucus to stop coughing"
 * Second Horizontal: Illegible
 * Third Horizontal: "Stomach ache, head ache"
 * Left vertical: "Cold"

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 07:37, 29 November 2017 (UTC)


 * It's really blurry, but I believe it's 肿胀 (swelling; even though the first character looks off, but I cannot think of another explanation) and 阵痛 (labor pain). Alex Shih (talk) 07:49, 29 November 2017 (UTC)


 * It looks like 喉咙肿痛 (swelling and sore throat) to me. I think they wrote 咙 as 胧 as a mistake. — justin(r)leung { (t...) 08:10, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
 * That makes more sense, thanks! Alex Shih (talk) 08:13, 29 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Yes, Justin. We have agreement here. You solved it when two Chinese people here in China could not! Many thanks, and thank you too Alex Shih! Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:20, 29 November 2017 (UTC)


 * Glad to be of help! — justin(r)leung { (t...) 08:23, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Unidentified outdoor monument
Does any project member know how to identify this outdoor monument? Thanks, --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:18, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
 * This monument is obviously related to the May Fourth Movement as can be seen by the date of "1919.5.4". Timmyshin (talk) 21:28, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, and the image is categorized as such at Commons. I was mostly curious if this monument had a specific name and/or should have a stub here at English Wikipedia? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:30, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
 * It is the memorial to the May Fourth Movement near the Red Building at Peking University. Cobblet (talk) 21:33, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I'm assuming not notable enough for a Wikipedia article? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:39, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Seems marginal at best – I can't seem to find much on it. Cobblet (talk) 21:48, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for checking. I create stubs for many outdoor monuments and sculptures, so I just wanted to make sure this wasn't a missed opportunity to work on another. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:51, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I would look to the lists of national cultural sites for monuments that are unquestionably notable. Cobblet (talk) 21:58, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
 * I added the picture to the May Fourth Movement article. Timmyshin (talk) 21:41, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:45, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

User:そらみみ identified this monument as being located in a park named "Imperial Palace Wall Relics Park " (in English). (See Commons talk page.) Do you have any thoughts re: whether or not this belongs in the Imperial City category and/or if this park should have an article (as opposed to just the monument itself)? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:29, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
 * That park has an article on the Chinese Wikipedia. Although it was built where the city wall used to be, I think that part of the wall has been completely dismantled so the connection to that category seems tenuous to me. Cobblet (talk) 16:42, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Are you saying an English Wikipedia article called Imperial Palace Wall Relics Park would be appropriate, and an equivalent to article? I could create a simple stub referencing the Chinese Wikipedia article... --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:10, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, although IMO Imperial City Wall Relics Park is a better translation. In other sources the park's name is also translated/transcribed as Huangchenggen Relics Park. By the way, I was wrong when I said the wall had been completely dismantled – according to the Chinese article a small section has been rebuilt at the north end of the park. But I still think the link between the May 5 monument and the imperial city is tenuous. Cobblet (talk) 17:25, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Ok, I went ahead and created a stub at Imperial City Wall Relics Park. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:14, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Disambiguation links on pages tagged by this wikiproject
Wikipedia has many thousands of wikilinks which point to disambiguation pages. It would be useful to readers if these links directed them to the specific pages of interest, rather than making them search through a list. Members of WikiProject Disambiguation have been working on this and the total number is now below 20,000 for the first time. Some of these links require specialist knowledge of the topics concerned and therefore it would be great if you could help in your area of expertise.

A list of the relevant links on pages which fall within the remit of this wikiproject can be found at http://69.142.160.183/~dispenser/cgi-bin/topic_points.py?banner=WikiProject_China

Please take a few minutes to help make these more useful to our readers.&mdash; Rod talk 12:29, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Requesting assessment
Dear fellow Wikipedians,

Faith in Buddhism is an article which deals for a large part with Pure land Buddhism om Japan. It has been significantly modified since its last assessment, and I would appreciate an assessment before I am nominating for GA. Thanks.--Farang Rak Tham (talk) 16:35, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Discussion on naming convention of emperors
Hi everyone, there is a proposal to change the naming convention for emperors of the Northern and Southern dynasties. You're welcome to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Chinese). -Zanhe (talk) 06:13, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Please come and help...
There is a requested move at Talk:Shudao in which an editor has proposed renaming Shudao to Road to Shu. Please come and add your !vote and rationale to the discussion. Thank you and Happy Holidays to All!  Paine Ellsworth   put'r there  02:50, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

You are again needed...
There are requested moves at: that would benefit from your !vote and rationale. Happy New Year to All!  Paine Ellsworth   put'r there  09:28, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Talk:Wandu and
 * Talk:Guonei

Discussion at Reference desk/Entertainment
You are invited to join the discussion at Reference desk/Entertainment. What are the (other) foreign TV channels permitted by SAPPRFT? JSH-alive/talk/cont/mail 10:56, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Name Question
Hi,

I'm most a sports gnome, and I was working on Lü Zhiwu. I'd just like to confirm something said on the page. It says that Lü Zhiwu can also be written as Lv Zhiwu. Is this true? (Sorry there's no Hanzi on the page otherwise I would have shared that too.) Thank you, Red Fiona (talk) 21:29, 8 January 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi, the correct way to write the individual's name in Hanyu Pinyin, the official romanization system for Chinese in Mainland China, is Lü Zhiwu. However, due to the inability of some machines to type characters with accents, such as input using an English keyboard, the letter ü is often substituted by v instead. So although officially, no, it is not correct to say that the romanization of the name is Lv Zhiwu, it does sometimes appear this way in texts due to the limitation of systems that don't support accents. The Hanyu Pinyin page states: The letter v is unused ... despite a conscious effort to distribute letters more evenly than in Western languages. However, sometimes, for ease of typing into a computer, the v is used to replace a ü. Hope this helps. Thanks.  Heights (Want to talk?) 03:21, 9 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you, it does :) Red Fiona (talk) 18:00, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Questions for editors familiar with Shanghai geography
I am trying to sort some Shanghai sites by geography (more specifically, by district). Are there any editors who can help by reviewing the questions posed in the below sections? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:27, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Pinging you two since you've been so helpful here before. I'd appreciate help with any of the below questions. Just trying to double check my work here. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:41, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

Huangpu District
The following sites are associated with the Huangpu District:


 * Chong Hing Finance Center
 * Ciros Plaza
 * City God Temple of Shanghai
 * Fuxing Park
 * Fuyou Street Merchandise Mart
 * Grand Cinema
 * Gucheng Park
 * K11
 * May Thirtieth Movement Monument
 * Pacific Hotel Shanghai
 * Park Hotel Shanghai
 * People's Park
 * People's Square
 * Radisson Blu Hotel Shanghai New World
 * Raffles City Shanghai
 * Shanghai marriage market
 * Shanghai Museum
 * Shimao International Plaza
 * Taipingqiao Park
 * Tian An Centre
 * Tomorrow Square
 * Yu Garden
 * Yuyuan Tourist Mart

Does this seem accurate? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:27, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, these are all correct.  Heights (Want to talk?) 04:03, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:15, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

The Bund
Within the Huangpu District, the following sites are associated with The Bund:


 * Bund Bull
 * Chen Yi Square
 * Gutzlaff Signal Tower
 * Huangpu Park
 * Monument to the People's Heroes
 * Peace Hotel
 * Shanghai Club Building
 * Waibaidu Bridge
 * Waldorf Astoria Shanghai on the Bund

Does this seem accurate? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:27, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Yep.  Heights (Want to talk?) 04:03, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for confirming. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:14, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Jing'an District
The following sites are associated with the Jing'an District:


 * Jing An Kerry Centre
 * Jing An Shangri-La
 * Jing'an Park
 * Jing'an Sculpture Park
 * Jing'an Temple
 * Shanghai Centre
 * Shanghai Exhibition Centre
 * Shanghai Natural History Museum

Does this seem accurate? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:27, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Yep.  Heights (Want to talk?) 04:03, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:15, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Pudong
The following sites are associated with Pudong:


 * China Art Museum
 * Expo Axis
 * Hehe Xiexie
 * Mercedes-Benz Arena
 * Pudong Shangri-La
 * Shanghai Expo Park
 * Shanghai World Financial Center
 * The River Mall

Does this seem accurate? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:27, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Yep.  Heights (Want to talk?) 04:03, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for confirming. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:15, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Unknown
Here's where I could use the most help. Are these sites associated with any specific district?


 * Eddy's Bar
 * Huaihai Road
 * IAPM Mall
 * Kaiqiao Green Area
 * Nanjing Road
 * New Town Central Park -- Note: The article says Changning District, but is there no corresponding category for this district?
 * Shanghai Library
 * Shanghai maglev train
 * Shanghai railway station -- Note: The article says Jing'an District, but this does not seem correct, at least not when I view the boundaries as defined by Google Maps when I search "Jing'an District, Shanghai, China". Can someone clarify?

I'd appreciate any help with sorting these sites by district. I'll try to keep an eye on these articles to see if any changes are made, but would appreciate a ping here as well since I don't have all these on my watchlist. Thanks in advance. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:27, 17 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Eddy's Bar - Xuhui (the Chinese name is probably incorrect though)
 * Huaihai Road - Xuhui, Huangpu
 * IAPM Mall - Xuhui
 * Kaiqiao Green Area - Changning
 * Nanjing Road - Huangpu, Jing'an
 * New Town Central Park - Changning
 * Shanghai Library - Xuhui (Main & most branches), 1 branch in Pudong, 1 branch in Minhang
 * Shanghai maglev train - Pudong
 * Shanghai railway station - Zhabei
 * User:Another Believer hope this helps. Timmyshin (talk) 00:34, 31 December 2017 (UTC)
 * This is very helpful, thank you. If you have a moment to revisit the above sections at some point in the future, I'd appreciate any confirmations. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 04:10, 31 December 2017 (UTC)


 * I checked everything in your lists above. Timmyshin has these right as well, though Zhabei is technically no longer a district, as it has been absorbed into Jing'an District.  Heights (Want to talk?) 04:03, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Ahh, that is good to know. Thank you for confirming. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:16, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

BTW, I added a "citation needed" tag after the Chinese name in the Eddy's Bar article, per Timmyshin's comment. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:11, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Please come and help...
Greetings! I have recently relisted a requested move discussion at Talk:Jingpo people, regarding a page relating to this WikiProject. Your opinion and rationale are needed so a decision can be made. Thank you and Happy New Year to All!  Paine Ellsworth   put'r there  18:06, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Userspace content
Hi! I wanted to see if this student's draft article would be useful anywhere - one of the Wiki Education students created a draft on User:Happyweekdays/Chinese faculty in U.S, but it never really went live because we were worried that it would be deleted. Can someone give it a look? There's also a draft on Chinese international students in the United States. I would post it at the WikiProject devoted to expanding education related topics, but that's only semi-active. Semi-active usually means dead as far as WikiProjects go, unfortunately in my experience, so I wanted to post it here and to the university WikiProject. Shalor (Wiki Ed) (talk) 15:07, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Please see this discussion on the neutrality of the Confucius Institute article
An IP editor has been removing sourced content from the article because they think the content is biased. I welcome your input here. I am posting this notice because Confucius Institute is rated as a top importance article for WikiProject China. – by AdA&D  at 19:23, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

Celestial bureaucracy
FYI and Celestial Bureaucracy have been nominated for deletion. I think the article on the Court of the Celestial Emperor was supposed to be this one, and this one disappeared in 2014 (it's successor,, disappeared in 2016) Though there's still a Jade Emperor article. -- 70.52.11.217 (talk) 05:25, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

If anyone over here has some free time
the English language sources and both Chinese wikis disagree completely on the name for Yuanju (Yuanqu? Wanqu?): see here. Presumably, the Chinese are right about this and the laowais are wrong but, since neither Baidu Baike nor the Chinese wiki rely overmuch on citations, it'd be nice to have something authoritative to start correcting the mistake. Anyone here have anything? — Llywelyn II   01:01, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Talk:List of Korean Nobel laureates
Greetings! I have recently listed a requested move discussion at Talk:List of Korean Nobel laureates, regarding a page relating to this WikiProject. Discussion and opinions are invited. Thanks, ―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 06:44, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

The Chinese article "List of Chinese Nobel laureates" is the same situation. A user removed all laureates other than Chinese nationality.―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 06:44, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Is the figurative meaning of 萬/万 ("a great many") WP:BLUE?
I've been working on a new article at Interpretation of the title of the Man'yōshū (once it's "complete" I'll move onto the next sub-topic, then summarize all of them in the main Man'yōshū hub article, which I think is how everything on Wikipedia probably should work), but my Japanese sources (which work with Chinese sources because Nara period) don't really come out and say "ten thousand really just means a whole lot" as often as I would like, presumably because it's implied.

Does this seem like the kind of thing an English Wikipedia could include in an uncited footnote along the lines of The character literally means ten thousand but figuratively means "a great many", similar to the English myriad.?

Posting this as well on WT:JAPAN since the question is kinda relevant to both and I have no idea which venue would welcome the most input.

Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 10:31, 6 February 2018 (UTC)


 * No, I don't think this would be at all obvious to the average English Wikipedia reader of reasonable education (our general target audience). In the purely Sinological literature there is some inconsistency in terms of how they handle the "ten thousand" – authors sometimes render it "myriad" or similar, but many stay literal with it (this can be an issue with "nine", as well, in some of the more archaic texts).  A lot of this has to do with context.  I'd avoid a one-size-fits-all translation of the term and just try to follow whatever the reliable sources go with.  See, for example, Stephen Owen (1996), An Anthology of Chinese Literature: Beginnings to 1911 (New York: W. W. Norton & Co.): pp. xliv–xlv.   White Whirlwind  咨   16:19, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
 * You're right, but that solution would involve careful pondering of how to translate every time it comes up; which in that article is very frequent, even though it always means "a lot" and never literally "ten thousand". 萬世 actually seems to just mean "forever", while 萬葉 with 葉 metaphorically referring to a poem would be prosaicly rendered as "4,516 poems" (the exact number included in the Nishihonganji text). I am considering adding a footnote to near the top of the article (and expecting the reader to read it!) that would clarify this dual-meaning of that character so that I can then just say either "ten-thousand" or "myriad" each time and expect the reader to understand, but I'm looking for input from folks here whether the dictionary definition of 萬/万 requires a citation for such a footnote. The sources I'm working with at the moment are in Japanese and appear to treat it as a given, because I'm pretty sure their readership already know it. The reason I can't just ignore the "Ten Thousand" and translate it figuratively throughout is that eventually the article is going to have to mention English translations and this is one of the most prominent. Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 01:44, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I've often remarked that, in my opinion, if it's hard to find good sources on something in English, that's usually evidence that it's going to have WP:Notability problems on the English Wikipedia. In any case, sure, if you can't find a note on the title in something, just cite a good dictionary and pray to the gods of WP:Original research.  I did a quick search of vol. 1 of the Cambridge History of Japan and didn't find anything.  Try the literature volume (it came out in 2016 and I don't have an electronic copy of it like I do most of that series) or maybe Konishi.   White Whirlwind  咨   03:35, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, I imagine Konishi in Japanese has the same problem as the other Japanese sources, and I don't have 16,000 yen to fork over for an antique copy of Konishi in English. I have a paper copy of Keene at home, who I think devotes a page or two to the subject of the title of the Man'yōshū so I'll check if he makes the point directly anyway. I don't think it'll ever be a notability issue though, since anything that has had multiple papers written on it and been the subject of scholarly debate going centuries is almost certainly meriting a standalone article. I'm just being lazy/cheap about tracking down a source that would solve my problem quickly, but it's not even really a problem that needs to be solved, at least in the short term. If I ever nominate the main MYS article for FA status, then maybe, but that is long term, and would by its nature be a collaborative process (so someone who lives nearer an Anglophone university library could probably do). Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 04:18, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Romanization Chinese names in passing references in primarily non-Chinese articles?
I was just reading our World War I article, and it features the curious Japan seized Germany's Micronesian colonies and, after the Siege of Tsingtao, the German coaling port of Qingdao on the Chinese Shandong peninsula. As Vienna refused to withdraw the Austro-Hungarian cruiser SMS Kaiserin Elisabeth from Tsingtao, Japan declared war not only on Germany, but also on Austria-Hungary; the ship participated in the defense of Tsingtao where it was sunk in November 1914. The inconsistent spelling of [Ts/Q]ing[t/d]ao is likely to confuse readers not familiar with Chinese romanization. I was gonna just replace the WG with pinyin, but Siege of Tsingtao is the name of a linked article; I then considered just changing the one out-of-place use of "Qingdao" to "Tsingtao", but that would be internally inconsistent with "Shandong" only four words later, and with MOS:CHINA. Thoughts? Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 09:35, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I think this is one case where making the spelling consistent with the historic spelling makes sense. As the article makes clear Tsingtao is not just historic but a still used alternate name, used in the postal romanisation and seen in the name of the beer and brewery. As World War I is a historic article it makes sense to use the names as they were used then, and pinyin did not exist at the time and would not be devised for another few decades.-- JohnBlackburne wordsdeeds 09:49, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, yeah, but then should it be "Shantung"? Hijiri 88 ( 聖やや ) 10:00, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
 * That could just be removed. You don’t normally give the county when mentioning a British city, or the state when mentioning a US city. So just "Tsingtao, China" in enough to clearly identify it. Readers can click on the link if they want to know where it is, which province it’s in.-- JohnBlackburne wordsdeeds 12:02, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I think it would be better to explain that Tsingtao=Qingdao, which is more or less done now, and change the other two Tsingtao's to Qingdao. We routinely use the current spelling in historical articles because it's easier for readers to make connections.  I would also keep Shandong peninsula, as geographical references are useful in war articles.  Kanguole 13:28, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I've tried to get around this by doing things like "in Tsingtao (modern Qingdao)" or "in Peking (modern Beijing)", since the use of an older romanization necessarily entails an older era of a city's history.  White Whirlwind  咨   15:34, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
 * My approach is similar to what has been suggested by . In this sentence, I would say "German coaling port of Tsingtao (modern Qingdao)", which would make everything else that follows consistent, I think. Alex Shih (talk) 04:32, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Subject identification
Can a project member identify the subject of this statue, installed in Shanghai's New Town Central Park? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 04:14, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
 * That is a statue of Ma Zhanshan, a Chinese general that fought against the Japanese.  Heights (Want to talk?) 04:26, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I went ahead and started a discussion at Talk:Ma_Zhanshan re: whether or not the statue should be mentioned and/or the image added. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:46, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I have commented at the article talk page. Alex Shih (talk) 04:49, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Notability of Draft:Beini Da?
Can anyone weigh in as to the Notability of Draft:Beini Da? All the references are in Chinese. If you have an opinion either way, please post it and sign it at the top of the Draft itself. Thanks! MatthewVanitas (talk) 00:52, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
 * She appears to be more of a internet celebrity, more known for notoriety rather than notability; at the current state the draft is more likely to be deleted again, rather than passed for AfC. Alex Shih (talk) 04:57, 8 February 2018 (UTC)