Wikipedia talk:WikiProject China/Archive 32

Requested move at Talk:Chinese geography
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Chinese geography that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky (talk) 16:17, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

WiTricity entry at Chinese Wikipedia
Hello! On behalf of WiTricity and as part of my work at Beutler Ink, I've shared a draft entry for Chinese Wikipedia, which is a translated version of the English Wikipedia article. I'm searching for an editor who can review this draft and update the entry appropriately. Might someone here at WikiProject China be able to help? Thanks for your consideration, Inkian Jason (talk) 17:23, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * The draft has been reviewed. Thanks! Inkian Jason (talk) 15:16, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

I want to use these images for Yangge
This article on sina.com https://k.sina.com.cn/article_5898468734_15f937d7e01901taf5.html has brilliant images that would really help improve the yangge article by showing struggle yangge. I'm not sure the nature of the site, whether it is a blog or a new publication, but if anyone here would be willing to ask for permission to use these pictures on the article, or use them as fair use it would drastically improve it Immanuelle 💗 (please tag me) 15:13, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Death and state funeral of Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Death and state funeral of Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. UtherSRG (talk) 10:50, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

That probably was cryptic... why do we care about that? This RM involves about 50 state funeral articles, including at least one that is related to this WP. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:12, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Pallas's cat
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Pallas's cat that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. UtherSRG (talk) 21:50, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Chinese name of Lung Chien?
There seems to be an actor called Lung Chien but there's no ZHwiki article on him? Would someone mind confirming what his Chinese name is and if such appears on ZHwiki? WhisperToMe (talk) 05:36, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
 * As far as I can tell, the name given in the article (劍龍 / 剑龙) seems to be correct – it appears in the upper left of this poster for the film Queen of Fist. There's apparently no article about him on zh.wikipedia, Baidu Baike, or Sogou Baike. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 06:42, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

NRICM101
I seriously get the feeling that writing about TCM is considered advertising on English Wikipedia, when I posted DRAFT:NRICM101 (zh:清冠一號) as a one sentence stub that was a definition, and it was slapped as a speedy-delete advertisement.

Is it worth continuing with this article? -- 65.92.247.226 (talk) 09:58, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree that the speedy deletion tag was not appropriate in this case. Please do continue to work on the article. I would suggest finding sources other than the Taiwanese government for the claim that the treatment has been approved in multiple countries. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 10:37, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

New Template
I made a new template at Template:Hanyu in imitation of Template:Nihongo. This is intended for quick explanation of a word in Chinese. I copied code from the Nihongo template. It can work like this Religious Confucianism It is useful for just helping someone recognize words and characters. It doesn't provide info on pronounciations in different dialects. Immanuelle 💗 (please tag me) 00:46, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for posting about this. Would you be able to fix the documentation of the template? It currently has lots of examples in Japanese and Japanese-specific guidance. Module:Hanyu may need to be fixed too – I see "N I H O N G O" in a couple of comments in that module. Also, a question – does the template support giving both simplified and traditional characters, or do editors have to choose just one? —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 20:15, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I plan on fixing the documentation soon. There is no support for traditional vs simplified characters, as I believe that would go against the purpose of the template as a quick and easy way to write a word multilingually. I might change the pinyin label to just romanization so people can use a different romanization when a topic is about something where another pronunciation is more important. I am struggling with documenting parameters now though so they just appear as 1 2 3 etc right now. Immanuelle 💗 (please tag me) 20:42, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
 * The template documentation still has a lot of Japanese-specific guidance and examples. Is there any plan to fix this? —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 19:40, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
 * To be honest, I'm not sure this template is needed, as the widely-used Template:lang-zh can accomplish something similar with more flexibility.
 * With Template:Hanyu:
 * Sun Yat-sen
 * With Template:lang-zh:
 * Sun Yat-sen
 * —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 19:52, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Moreover the markup is easier to work with using the lang-zh version – the Chinese versions are clearly separated, and can be treated separately from the running text. Kanguole 19:58, 8 October 2022 (UTC)


 * I've nominated the new template for deletion at Templates for discussion/Log/2022 October 16, for the reasons mentioned above as well as the issue with the module discussed at Template talk:Hanyu. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 09:33, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Your feedback requested at Gautama Buddha move request
Hello. Your feedback would be appreciated at Talk:Gautama Buddha. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 11:21, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Is this list of Chinese elementary schools accurate?
I'm trying to develop a list of the schools in Chaoyang District, Beijing at List of schools in Chaoyang District, Beijing using this list from the Beijing government. It seems that a lot of the list consists of secondary schools even though the list is supposed to be primary schools. Do these branches in fact have primary components, or is the Beijing government making a mistake with its lists?

Thanks, WhisperToMe (talk) 03:10, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Moved 'Holy Confucian Church' to Kongshenghui
The term 'holy' was a misinterpretation. The world 'holy' was liberally used. I've made Kongshenghui the main page, toned down the article and added an update tag. As far as I can check, Kongshenghui may no longer exist. A further look may be required. Travelmite (talk) 00:50, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Update: Edits were reverted and "Holy Confucian Church" restored without updating talk page. Not only is it a bizarre interpretation of Confucianism, I cannot find it existing anywhere. When I look up so-called Confucian Churches, there's no buildings. It's not on the Chinese wiki. Much appreciated to get some input on this so to find out why Holy Churches are being promoted on Wikipedia. Travelmite (talk) 00:00, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Beijing Sitong Bridge protest
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Beijing Sitong Bridge protest that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — Shibboleth ink  (♔ ♕) 03:01, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Requested reassessment of May Fourth Movement
Given the importance of May Fourth on Chinese politics, culture, literature, and national consciousness I recommend that the May Fourth Movement page be upgraded to top-importance from its current rating of high-importance.

The page itself is rather brief and I would argue slightly Western-centric, and as a result the impacts that 5-4 had on China internally are underreported. There is an abundance of related discussion and material in both Western and Chinese academia that goes much deeper, and the page has a lot of potential for improvement. When I have time I will try and help clean up the article as well. F1anders (talk) 08:02, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Category:Wei Jin Southern and Northern Dynasties
TSventon (talk) 13:25, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Stop citing the Chinese-Western Calendar Converter
I have noticed a lot of Chinese history articles cite the Academia Sinica Chinese-Western Calendar Converter (a few random ones: Ma Yin, Li Yong (prince), Li Congke, and Emperor Fei of Western Wei). Should we remove them? Mucube (talk) 23:59, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Is it unreliable? —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 08:51, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
 * No, I just think it's unnecessary. Mucube (talk) 18:59, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Help with article
Hi, I am currently working on Jin Boyang all alone, and this includes looking through Chinese sources. I'd appreciate some sort of assessment on whether I've taken those sources accurately, and whether I'm reading those sources correctly. General help from someone who's interested in this athlete will also be appreciated. I'd also appreciate a translation of this: 札幌面孔之七：火星男孩金博洋平昌要进前三, the headline of this article: http://www.olympic.cn/zt/sapporo2017/china/2017/0226/143718.html Editor120918756 (talk) 19:32, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
 * The headline means "Seventh face of Sapporo: Martian boy Jin Boyang wants to make it to the top 3 at Pyeongchang". Apparently Jin Boyang is nicknamed the "Martian boy" because he is said to skate with otherworldly skill. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 00:45, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks! Yes, I knew about the nickname (thank you for another source!), but I didn't understand why they were saying "札幌面孔之七", and thought I didn't read it correctly. Actually, I still don't get it and would love an explanation, but I am grateful for the translation. Editor120918756 (talk) 05:38, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm guessing this article is part 7 of a series of profiles published around the time of the 2017 Asian Winter Games in Sapporo. It looks like this is part 5 ("札幌面孔之五") about Yuzuru Hanyu, and this is part 6 ("札幌面孔之六") about Zhang Hao (figure skater) and Yu Xiaoyu. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 06:49, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Oh, OK, thanks, I hadn't seen those. By the way, is 163 considered a good enough source to be included in a biography? Editor120918756 (talk) 06:53, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * 163.com is more of an aggregator, so reliability depends on where the article originally came from. The article I linked to above is apparently from "子牙童趣人物纪", and I don't know whether they're reliable. This might be a better source for the origin of the nickname in the article. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 07:02, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that helps! I'm not entirely sure about what I can use for Chinese sports articles, so I'll keep this in mind. Editor120918756 (talk) 08:00, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Citing Houhanshu commentary
How would I cite the commentary on the Houhanshu? Specifically, I want to cite the one that Chinese Wikisource has. Mucube (talk) 00:05, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * The source you linked isn't any special exegetical version of the work, so it can be understood that the notes follow the standard Zhonghua Shuju modern punctuated addition, so you can cite comments the way you'd cite any other footnote. Additionally, the footnotes in the Chinese Wikisource version are anchors, so you can link them directly to support your statements.
 * As to how to cite footnotes within Wikipedia's citation templates, there's no built-in parameter that works to my knowledge, so I'll usually overload the p parameter with pp at  note nn or somesuch, but I'm unaware what best practices are. Folly Mox (talk) 01:45, 24 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, I know that the Chinese Wikisource version isn't special. But I want to emphasize here that the commentary on the Houhanshu and the Houhanshu itself are completely different works written by different authors and different times. Mucube (talk) 01:28, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

Liang Boqi
I just created an article for Liang Boqi. Any help would be appreciated. Thriley (talk) 06:21, 26 November 2022 (UTC)

Article on recent lockdown protests
Hi, I have written an article on the recent wave of COVID-19 protests in China. Would love if people could take a look. LatakiaHill (talk) 01:29, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:The Buddha
The page which had been Gautama Buddha was unsuccessfully proposed for a change to Siddhartha Gautama, then successfully changed to The Buddha, and is now being proposed for a change to Buddha. Your input and expertise would be most welcome at: Talk:The_Buddha Best,  Fowler&amp;fowler  «Talk»  04:14, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

Input requested
Your input is requested to help resolve a disagreement at Talk:2022 Chinese military exercises around Taiwan. Thank you. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 19:10, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

Death and state funeral of Jiang Zemin
I was wondering if someone from this WikiProject would mind taking a look at Death and state funeral of Jiang Zemin and perhaps try cleaning up the formattting some of the citations to Chinese language sources. A number of citations added at the beginning of this month are formatted in only the most basic way. They probably can be improved using the script-title, title, language and trans-title parameters. I don't know how Chinese source titles are typically romanized and don't understand Chinese to start translating anything into English; so, I thought someone who does understand Chinese could help with this. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:19, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Anyone here who is into ancient/traditional Chinese culture
Just saw that there is a massive hole in the current Wikipedia coverage—which means equally large holes in Google and OpenAI—for discussing the concept of a 聖/圣 or 聖人/圣人 in Chinese history and culture. Saint currently lacks any Chinese coverage outside of Buddhism. Sage (philosophy) is currently only a laughably bad misunderstanding of Greece, joining Plato&Aristotle as one idea while separating Epicurians and Stoics, none of whom have any figures known in standard modern English as "sages", while completely ignoring the Seven Sages and any concept or even link to the Chinese idea.

I think the way forward is to lump the Greco-Romans together (and eventually have a Classicist clean that mess up) and add a Name section (English "sage" covers Greek ABCos, Latin XYZus, and Chinese 甲乙丙) and a Chinese section to the Sage (philosophy) page until there's enough material for a Sage (China) page, at which point Greek stuff goes to Sage (Greco-Roman) or sth and Sage (philosophy) redirects to the part of the dab at Sage that can point to the various traditions. Then Saint gets a Chinese section quickly glossing and linking to the Chinese concept at whichever page.

That might be wrong if 聖/圣 or 聖人/圣人 includes enough mythological and Taoist religious figures that it really is closer to the concept of saint than sage. Even then, I think the divide would be fuller coverage of actual local saints on the Saint page, coverage of the saintly philosophers on the Sage page, and crosslinks between them since traditional Chinese vocab didn't divide the concept so neatly. — Llywelyn II   06:19, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

OpenAI just had a seizure
trying to tell me what form of Chinese script was in use around the time of the Gonghe Regency and the reign of the Zhou Xuanwang. Part of the problem is that our nest of articles on the subject—Chinese characters, Written Chinese, Chinese calligraphy, Chinese script styles, Chinese bronze inscriptions, seal script, large seal script, &c.—admit that 20th & 21st century scholarship has decisively debunked the received wisdom that about six different forms of the characters more or less stayed consistent and in constant use until specific reforms changed things. On the other hand, our articles still hit the high points of those specific named styles and make kind of a hash of addressing the middle periods.

The best treatment we've got of the period—Chinese bronze inscriptions—(a)is at the wrong namespace if it's focused on the script style instead of the artifacts but (b) goes out of its way to explain that the only agreed upon term for the script of the era is "large seal script" but then tells readers never to use it for anything because it can refer to zhouwen __and__ [completely undefined other subtypes]. I get that it's messy and there may not be scholarly consensus on what the specific names for those other subtypes are but we should at least provide enough guidance that people (and Google and OpenAI and our coming robot overlords) can call them something instead of just -not- seal script. — Llywelyn II   05:06, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

[We should also briefly present the traditional account of there having been a reform under the Zhou Xuanwang in the main articles and then link to the modern scholarship that has debunked and adjusted that history, instead of burying it at the specific article on the Shizhoupian.] — Llywelyn II   05:09, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Family in China
This article appears to belong to this wikiproject, but the project banner is missing from the talk page 76.14.122.5 (talk) 23:44, 26 December 2022 (UTC)

Murong Xi and chili peppers
Chili peppers are native to Central or South America. It was only brought to Asia when the Portuguese started trading there. The article Murong Xi states: they put chili peppers in their mouths to stimulate tear production. A similar claim is repeated on the zhwiki article (群臣只好口含辣物以刺激流淚, though this only states spicy thing) and on the article about Gao Yun. I tried to look up relevant passages in Zizhi Tongjian (I think it's in vol. 114, around the time of Emperor An of Jin's reign), but I can't find anything. The issue here is that the article is completely unsourced, so it's difficult to trace this back to any sources.

While I'd like to speculate that it's actually Sichuan pepper or a member of the Piperaceae, assuming so is original research. If anybody finds anything about this, please let me know. —*Fehufangą (✉ Talk · ✎ Contribs) 06:04, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I think this is the relevant phrase on Wikisource: "無淚則罪之，群臣皆含辛以為淚". The word for spicy here is "辛", which might describe garlic, ginger, cinnamon, etc. As you say, chili peppers are unlikely given the time period. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 15:06, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I didn't even think of looking up 辛 because I'm so used to seeing 辣... I've done the same and adjusted the sentence at Gao Yun (emperor). —*Fehufangą (✉ Talk · ✎ Contribs) 11:17, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

GAR Notice
Shanghai has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Onegreatjoke (talk) 00:55, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

GAR Notice
Shinan District has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Onegreatjoke (talk) 01:05, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Architecture of the Song dynasty
Architecture of the Song dynasty has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Onegreatjoke (talk) 04:00, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Dynasty or Empire
Many articles have Ming Dynasty, Ming Empire or Ming China, and some variations. So when we edit articles, which one should we use?  TomMasterReal  TALK 19:55, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I think it depends. If the context is about Chinese history, I would usually say "Ming dynasty". In a context where China hasn't yet been mentioned, it might be clearer to say "Ming China". —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 04:11, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
 * So should we ever use Empire?  TomMasterReal  TALK 19:09, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
 * In my experience "Ming Empire" is less common than the other two terms, but it's not wrong. Any of these terms can be used; it's up to individual editors' judgement or style. Don't go around mass-changing lots of articles to use one of the terms instead of another, but I wouldn't worry too much about which one you use. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 02:48, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Okay then.  TomMasterReal  TALK 03:39, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

FAR
Nathu La has been nominated for a featured article review, please see here Featured article review/Nathu La/archive1 Desertarun (talk) 10:02, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Underground City (Beijing)
Underground City (Beijing) has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Artem.G (talk) 18:25, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Company Related to China Education
Hi all,

I am requesting a rewrite of KraneShares. I believe it is notable and deserves a page, however, I need help from other members in this group to address issues that are preventing it from being published. Thank you everyone. Footballfan3570 (talk) 20:33, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Yuan-tsung Chen (female Hong Kong writer)
I'm curious as to whether any attempts have been made to write a Wikipedia biography of this memoirist and recounter of the early days (Great Leap Forward) of the PRC. Interviewed recently for the NYT, still working at 93. Seems like an oversight of some sort that no article exists on her. Thanks for any insights.-- Quisqualis (talk) 23:52, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Holy Confucian Church
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Holy Confucian Church that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject.  ❯❯❯  Raydann  (Talk)   09:58, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Category:China-US Cold War has been nominated for discussion
Category:China-US Cold War has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 14:55, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

Please check ratings
I have seen an editor mark several articles as being of "top importance" to this group. Since this editor was marking articles as being of top-importance to every WikiProject, I doubt that this was done correctly. Please consider reviewing Category:Top-importance China-related articles and adjusting the contents to reflect this group's preferences. WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:47, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Reliable source question (for athlete)
Hi, I'm continuing to work on Jin Boyang. Some of his interviews exist on news sites in the form of videos. Can these videos be linked as reliable sources?

Secondly, can links like these be considered reliable?

Editor120918756 (talk) 10:10, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * http://sports.enorth.com.cn/system/2022/02/15/052336536.shtml
 * https://www.sohu.com/a/522812979_363549
 * Video interviews should be usable as a primary source for basic biographical claims, similar to self-published sources by the article's subject. I'm not familiar with Enorth, but it looks like a news org that is probably fine for straightforward reporting in the topic area. I believe Sohu is an aggregator of content from a variety of sources, so the reliability of an article there depends on where the article came from – in this case, the article you linked seems to be by "品途商业评论"; I don't know whether it's reliable or not. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 14:54, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you! I'll have a look at the sohu link's publisher. By the way, shouldn't China Daily, Xinhua, CGTN be fine for biographical claims? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Editor120918756 (talk • contribs) 15:09, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * In a context like this (biographical information about a figure skater), China Daily and Xinhua should be fine, yes. CGTN has been "deprecated", meaning it shouldn't be used except in unusual circumstances (e.g. as a primary source when discussing CGTN itself). —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 15:25, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Last question, CCTV news is fine, isn't it? Both videos and links like these: https://2022.cctv.com/2022/02/11/ARTIAI8mEEvVK6s7V0ZRPzxh220211.shtml? Editor120918756 (talk) 16:26, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
 * For this topic area I think it should be fine. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 02:42, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Last question: https://baijiahao.baidu.com/s?id=1744841497283225595 from baijiahao/baidu. I can't tell whether the person is reliable? But seems to write entertainment updates. The only written source I've found for an injury that's not weibo... Although the weibo is a newslink: https://weibo.com/1779837945/Ljho8zeVP It's on weibo, but it's the official account of a news channel. Can I use either of these? Editor120918756 (talk) 07:45, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I don't know whether 君子体娱 is reliable either. I think it would be fine to cite the video interview in the Weibo post, though. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 14:47, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I disagree with Mx. Granger about China Daily and Xinhua. They should not be used for BLP with the possible exception of interviews which would be evaluated as SPS. I agree with them about CGTN use. Horse Eye&#39;s Back (talk) 22:37, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources#China_Daily
 * "Editors agree that when using this source, context matters a great deal and the facts should be separated from China Daily's view about those facts. It is best practice to use in-text attribution and inline citations when sourcing content to China Daily."
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources#Context_matters


 * Since you're disagreeing, tell me how the biographical details don't fit the context of a figure skater blp. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Editor120918756 (talk • contribs) 22:47, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Just so you know your pings aren't working, BLP articles are held to higher standards than all other articles. We are only allowed to use high quality sources, we can't use mid or low quality sources: "Be very firm about the use of high-quality sources."WP:BLP Horse Eye&#39;s Back (talk) 15:30, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * In my mind, the main concerns with China Daily and Xinhua are about political bias, not sloppy fact-checking or sensationalism. So for this topic I think they should be fine. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 14:08, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Actually, last time, I very much did post an interview, which horse eye's back deleted, even though they're now saying it should work as self-published source. I genuinely don't know why I can't use this article to quote something like "he wants to go to the Milan Olympics". https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202205/10/WS62799c27a310fd2b29e5b8bf.html What political bent could possibly exist on this?
 * Luckily I found alternate sources to prevent deletion. But it won't be the case for many Chinese athletes, he just happens to be moderately visible after the Beijing OWG.Editor120918756 (talk) 14:20, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * So that means that for politically sensitive topics like China's participation in international sporting events its a no go. Horse Eye&#39;s Back (talk) 15:30, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * To some extent it might depend on the claim (for instance, I would be cautious using these sources for information about the motivations for Olympic boycotts), but broadly speaking I would expect China Daily and Xinhua to be reliable for factual claims about sporting events, biographical information about athletes, and quotes from athletes about their goals. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 20:29, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
 * "Sloppy fact checking and sensationalism" isn't on Xinhua's summary. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources#Xinhua_News_Agency


 * Quoting the relevant parts: "There is consensus that Xinhua is generally reliable for factual reporting except in areas where the government of China may have a reason to use it for propaganda or disinformation. " I'd love to know which part of "wants to go to Milan" or "has appendicitis" are "areas where the government of China may have a reason to use it for propaganda or disinformation." Figure skating used to wage war on Taiwan or what?


 * China Daily's doesn't mention "sloppy fact checking" when it comes to athlete interviews either, and let's not pretend people are dumb enough to not know the difference between Olympic boycotts and stories about athlete injuries, or that I'd added any such claims in. I'd like user:horse eye's back to actually read what the source says next time, because this is simply proving my suspicion of them. Next time it will be straight to dispute resolution.
 * I concur with Mx. Granger on China Daily and Xinhua. I would welcome discussion about individualized objections that specific claims are biased or opinionated, but the blanket objections above are considerably overbroad. Adumbrativus (talk) 04:28, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for 2008 Summer Olympics
2008 Summer Olympics has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Onegreatjoke (talk) 22:54, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Baren Township conflict has an RFC
Baren Township conflict has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. ADifferentMan (talk) 08:52, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

Ruins of Saint Paul's
I just removed all of the body sections from this page because they were poorly written and badly sourced, so hopefully someone else can fix up the article somewhat. Mucube (talk • contribs) 04:52, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Proposed merge: Administration of territory in dynastic China and History of the administrative divisions of China before 1912
The subject matter of this page and Administration of territory in dynastic China appear nearly identical. In fact, many of the sections are similar if not the same, with the difference being that the Administration of territory in dynastic China's sections are better written and sourced. I'd appreciate other editors' thoughts. SilverStar54 (talk) 23:41, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Discussion on disallowing use of the ʻokina in Chinese romanized article titles
There is currently a discussion that may interest you. Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style proposes that the ʻokina gennerally be prohibited from article titles derived from Chinese whenever it does not adhere to the English Wikipedia policy to use commonly recognizable names. Plese join the discussion. Thank you. Peaceray (talk) 17:12, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Discussion on correct romanization in historical articles
There is currently a discussion that may interest you. Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Chinese) is debating which romanization system articles on Chinese history topics should use. Please join the discussion. Thank you. SilverStar54 (talk) 22:45, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Please review an expanded article
Dear friends of WikiProject China: I have expanded St. Francis Cathedral, Xi'an, and it is no longer a stub. However, on the talk page, it still shows that it is a stub-class. I am wondering if any of you can re-rate the article. I am not very experienced in WikiProjects, so many thanks in advance. 多谢！-- TheLonelyPather (talk) 18:08, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * That's an impressive expansion! It's at least C class, and I've updated the talk page accordingly. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 20:21, 5 April 2023 (UTC)

Project-independent quality assessments
Quality assessments are used by Wikipedia editors to rate the quality of articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at Content assessment, but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent Village pump proposal was approved and has been implemented to add a class parameter to WikiProject banner shell, which can display a general quality assessment for an article, and to let project banner templates "inherit" this assessment.

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Proposed merger
There is a merge discussion at Talk:Cross-Strait relations. Thebiguglyalien ( talk ) 23:20, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Rigour media/Super Star Online
Hi! I do a lot of work on snooker articles, and they are almost always broadcast on "superstar online" (as far as I can tell, it's supposed to be "Super Star Online", but the translation is often off). I had a look for sources to create a rudimentary stub about the channel, but there's not much in terms of a Google search (or at least from the UK). I can see they are owned by "Rigour media" (according to https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/world-snooker-announces-chinese-digital-deal-with-rigour-media/?zephr_sso_ott=8cb62P at least), but I didn't get much traction with that either. Anyone have any ideas? Do we have a Chinese Wikipedia page I can interlanguage link for these terms? We also have "Migu" which I'm not sure what that is either. Any help would be appreciated.  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 10:24, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
 * this is way outside my area of expertise, but I was able to determine that "Super Star Online" refers to 巨星在线, an app which does not have a zh-wiki article. (It does have an article on baidu.) "Rigour media" should probably be rendered as "Rigour Tech", since it refers to 瑞盖科技, truename 北京瑞盖科技股份有限公司 (Beijing Ruigai ["Rigour"] Technology LLC). They have no zh-wiki article nor baidu article; their corporate website is rigourtech.com. They don't seem to have a subsidiary named "Rigour media" to handle their snooker streams, but like I said this is well outside my wheelhouse so I might be misreading something.Migu has a zh-wiki article: zh:咪咕. Folly Mox (talk) 05:10, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
 * As a brief point of explanation instead of just pointing you to a Chinese wiki page, Migu is a media company owned by China Mobile. They've also got a streaming site (miguvideo.com) and a proprietary video streaming app. Folly Mox (talk) 05:22, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh, in that case, do you think a redirect for Migu to China Mobile would be suitable for this, or simply link to the zh article?
 * In terms of Super Stars Online, is there a suitable redirect target?  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 07:32, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Migu is definitely a separate corporate entity to China Mobile, probably of the genre "wholly owned subsidiary". Our zh-wiki article categorises it as an online video platform, so I was imprecise in my followup paragraph just above. Our (en) article on China Mobile doesn't mention subsidiary corporations, apart from alluding to "multimedia services" in the lead. That said, I don't know how naked links to sister projects are viewed by the community. I doubt we have a suitable redirect for the Super Star Online app or its publisher.I do want to emphasise how inexperienced I am in the spaces of corporations, sports, technology services, and indeed modern China. I'm hoping someone better placed to give recommendations can chime in here, but I wanted to give your initial request a go because you deserve better than feeling unheard. Folly Mox (talk) 10:22, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
 * In terms of linking to other wikis, there's no drama, we use ill, which is likely the best use in this way, unless we could find a suitable redirect target. For instance Migu (broadcaster).  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:41, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Li Rui (politician)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Li Rui (politician) that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Material Works   (contribs)  13:10, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

Discussion opened at Talk:Chinese surname
There is a proposal to make changes to how surnames of early Chinese figures are displayed in a particular infobox at Talk:Chinese surname that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Folly Mox (talk) 06:32, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Forced abortion of Feng Jianmei
Forced abortion of Feng Jianmei has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:01, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Asian Australians WikiProject
Hi,

I am looking for members to join WikiProject Council/Proposals/Asian Australians.

I figured that some members of WikiProject China might want to help contribute to the proposed WikiProject.

Let me know if you are interested!

Thanks, AverageFraud (talk) 09:23, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

On Ching Shih
Hi y'all, I've completely revamped the Ching Shih article based on reliable sources, both in Chinese and English. Would appreciate it if someone from the project would take a look since I'm still new to Wikipedia! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gaiushe (talk • contribs) 06:31, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Qishuyan railway station


The article Qishuyan railway station has been proposed for deletion&#32;because of the following concern: "Fails WP:GNG there are no claims of notability in the article. The other language article https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%88%9A%E5%A2%85%E5%A0%B0%E7%AB%99 has several references, but the all seem to be minor mentions and/or primary sources."

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Help finding Chinese sources for a videogame Draft:Amazing Cultivation Simulator
Draft:Amazing Cultivation Simulator is a longstanding draft which seems to need more sources before it can be approved. The specific issue seems to be lack of Chinese language sources establishing its notability. Can any of you help with this? Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 04:02, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

"Template:WPCH" listed at Redirects for discussion
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Missing chinese character components from Template:Simplified Chinese radicals
I posted a while back at Template talk:Simplified Chinese radicals regarding Chinese character components (apparently) missing from Simplified Chinese radicals, but did not receive a response, likely because the template has few watchers and low traffic. I'd appreciate help from anyone interested/able. – Scyrme (talk) 16:55, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

Consistency among Tai chi-related articles
Editors interested in this topic are politely asked to participate in the discussion here: Talk:Tai chi. SilverStar54 (talk) 06:17, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Correcting Locator Maps of Provinces?


At one point in the past couple decades, the provincial border between Haixi Mongol and Tibetan Autonomous Prefecture (Qinghai) and Aksay Kazakh Autonomous County (Gansu) definitely underwent a major change, most likely in 2001 as this officially published letter by the State Council implies. However, it seems that this change was not widely publicized by the media. As a result there are currently two conflicting versions of provincial maps showing different borders between Qinghai and Gansu. All the locator maps currently used for the infoboxes of all articles on the provinces feature the version with larger Haixi AP while other currently used maps such as and  feature larger Aksay Autonomous County. Based on the maps used on official government website, it seems that the ones featuring larger Aksay County reflect the current borders after the change. Of course, more maps from official publications would be helpful. Do you guys agree with my assessment? StellarHalo (talk) 02:14, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Discussion at Category talk:Ancient Chinese military writers
There is currently a discussion at Category talk:Ancient Chinese military writers regarding overpopulation of the category due to inconsistent definition. The thread is How are we defining "Ancient China" for this category?. Thank you. Folly Mox (talk) 11:52, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Chung Chun Rice Dog
Could any editors try to update Chung Chun Rice Dog with details about when and where the restaurant chain has operated in China? I'm struggling to find much info via Google and was hoping someone might be willing to update the entry based on Chinese-language sources. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 02:20, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Based on this photo, it seems the chain's Chinese name is 青春感性米热狗. I've spent a few minutes searching but I'm struggling to find reliable sources about it in Chinese. Others might have more luck. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 03:57, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for checking. Do you think the Chinese name is worth adding to the Wikipedia entry? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 04:25, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Maybe, if we can confirm that that's the name the chain uses or used in China, and not just in Seattle's Chinatown. I haven't even been able to find RSs confirming that. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 14:01, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Is this article still up-to-date?
Fare of passenger trains in China Félix An (talk) 00:57, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

Statue of Zhang Side
AfD: Statue of Zhang Side --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:17, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

Nomination of Huijuan for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Huijuan is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Please help me decide the correct name for this article.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hanghai_line#What_is_the_WP:COMMONNAME_for_this_metro_line? Félix An (talk) 09:50, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Eyes required for the Chinese New Left article
I came out of dormancy and stepped right into the middle of a dispute regarding the Chinese New Left - specifically whether it is a very limited intellectual movement from the 1990s or whether it is a fusion of that and the contemporary neo-Maoist movements in China. My main concern in this is improving article neutrality so my plan is to go through, remove the obvious propaganda sources (RFA, Global Times, US Conservative think tanks, etc.) and then see where reliable sources takes us but it would be wise, in general to get some people knowledgeable about Chinese political movements to put some eyes on this and ensure the article follows reliable sources. Simonm223 (talk) 13:17, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

Statues in Shanghai
Anyone aware of sources for:
 * Statue of Charlie Chaplin, Shanghai
 * Statue of Ma Zhanshan

? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 13:54, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Hong Kong
Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Hong Kong for an RfC regarding how to phrase the place of birth for people born in Hong Kong after the Handover of Hong Kong on 1 July 1997. Cunard (talk) 05:33, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Hong Kong for an RfC regarding how to phrase the place of birth for people born in Hong Kong before the Handover of Hong Kong on 1 July 1997. The RfC also discusses a bot request to modify all affected articles to comply with the new guidance. Cunard (talk) 04:58, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Another discussion at Talk:Second Cold War
The matter of the tag in the Second Cold War article is discussed. More inputs are welcome there. Link: Talk:Second Cold War George Ho (talk) 22:49, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Locator Maps for Infobox of Province-level divisions


@Maanshen The reason I would like to change the locator maps in all the infoboxes of the provinces and regions is that I believe the current one being used all feature the outdated borders between Haixi Mongol and Tibetan Autonomous Prefecture (Qinghai) and Aksay Kazakh Autonomous County (Gansu). The border was most likely changed in 2001 as this officially published letter by the State Council said. However, it seems that this change was not widely publicized by the media. As a result there are currently two conflicting versions of provincial maps showing different borders between Qinghai and Gansu floating around online. Based on a map used on official government website, it seems that the ones featuring larger Aksay County reflect the current borders after the change. Of course, more maps from official publications would be helpful. StellarHalo (talk) 12:21, 31 July 2023 (UTC)


 * I would prefer the borders of OpenStreetMap and File:China_prefectural-level_divisions_and_administrative_divisions_(PRoC_claim).png, and as well as other maps made by Chk2011. The current borders of provinces are detailed because this is used to match other maps. Maanshen (talk) 13:15, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Trans-Karakoram Tract


The article Trans-Karakoram Tract has been proposed for deletion&#32;because of the following concern: "Blatant Indian-defined fantasy region which is part of Xinjiang, China and not known as such. Trans-Karakoram tract is literally a non-existent place. However, it does contain the Shaksgam Valley and a new article focused on it would be needed. This article is just about an imaginary territorial claim.123"

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Credibility bot
As this is a highly active WikiProject, I would like to introduce you to Credibility bot. This is a bot that makes it easier to track source usage across articles through automated reports and alerts. We piloted this approach at Vaccine safety and we want to offer it to any subject area or domain. We need your support to demonstrate demand for this toolkit. If you have a desire for this functionality, or would like to leave other feedback, please endorse the tool or comment at WP:CREDBOT. Thanks! Harej (talk) 17:53, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

Howdy: Need some help
The user recently speciously moved the article Jian'an (Eastern Han)—made in March on the basis of identical other articles on Chinese eras, repeatedly edited by others, entirely unquestioned to now, and useful to have for the era to year conversion chart—to Draft:Jian'an (Eastern Han). The redirect was almost immediately flagged for speedy deletion. There's nothing at all that has been questioned in the article but this y handling of the subject—instead of discussing the article in any way or putting fact tags on any questioned point will presumably soon result in the complete blanking of a valid and helpful article.

Any admin who stops by here is welcome to undo this silliness/gatekeeping, move the article back, and discuss, , and with SBD091. Any other editor is welcome to discuss the actual problem with them and provide whatever should have been handled with a fact tag instead. I'm obviously too peeved to handle it.

Alternatively, if there is a new policy supporting the wholesale deletion of presumably valid articles instead of discussion or using fact tags, well, new to me but do let me know. Same thing if any of the content in the article is actually problematic. (I know some parts of Eastern Han history get muddled up between the Sanguo legends and historical fact.) — Llywelyn II   12:36, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
 * User:SBD091 appears to be a pretty inexperienced user who has unnecessarily powerful scripts available and unclear ideas about good articles. I noticed them changing maps at several dynasty / khaganate articles, being reverted in many cases. I just undid another incorrect draftification done against policy at an article I tidied up at the request of another reviwer back in April or something: Wang Guangyang. SBD091 seems to be making incorrect choices and needs to familiarise themselves with policy before jumping into this kind of work. Folly Mox (talk) 13:40, 10 August 2023 (UTC)

Mongol leaders
Please, can you also help me to translate from Chinese these Mongols: zh:董狐狸, zh:长秃, zh:长昂? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.207.130.38 (talk) 21:37, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Modern Chinese characters
The above article has recently been created: I think it should be deleted and merged into Chinese characters, but would appreciate this project's input as I am in no means an expert. Thank you. GnocchiFan (talk) 10:32, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
 * If we're keeping it, it very much needs guidance about finding its niche. Related articles probably need massive purging since it would need to act as the main topic for all present-day characters. — Llywelyn II   14:19, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Wuyue people
As far as I know, Wu culture is a thing and Yue culture is several things and Wuyue culture is very much not a thing. On the other hand, the 1st is a bare redirect; the 2nd doesn't exist; and the 3rd is all the content + a prominent alt name for "Wu Chinese-speaking people" (which Wu people nonsensically redirects to instead of being the main article name). If this is really what Wu and Yue culture should be and modern China doesn't differentiate between Suzhou and Shaoxing at all any more, both articles need some sourcing and clarification added on the point when someone has some extra time. — Llywelyn II   14:19, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Nomination of Republic of China (disambiguation) for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Republic of China (disambiguation) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Requested move at Talk:Northeast Project of the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Northeast Project of the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. —Usernamekiran_(AWB) (talk) 21:37, 29 August 2023 (UTC)

Template:Chinese Year
FYI has been nominated for deletion -- 67.70.25.175 (talk) 06:10, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

Dominic Ng
I'm hoping for some editors experienced with China related issues to offer feedback at Talk:Dominic Ng on whether the subject's participating in the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference is WP:DUE for the lead. Nil Einne (talk) 02:29, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
 * By way of further explanation, at the moment we have a bunch of editors who may have a CoI or otherwise seem to be new who are opposed, one experienced editor who keeps adding it back unfortunately without explaining why they feel it is DUE (I'm dealing with that elsewhere), and basically me as the only experienced editor engaged in the talk page and I don't really know (which means I'm leaning towards exclude as a BLP and give the uncertain DUEness). The article is in a bit of a mess and also very short, making it fairly unclear what is and isn't due beyond their main job. Editors experienced with the general relevance of participating in the CPPCC to someone's life will help. Nil Einne (talk) 02:29, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Central Science and Technology Commission
I was wondering if I could get some help and/or guidance in how to fix all the errors with the page on the Central Science and Technology Commission. I went into a ton of detail about the errors in its talk page. Just not too sure how to handle the errors as they aren't as straightforward as an incorrect date. Atop21 (talk) 00:13, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Women in Green's 5th Edit-a-thon
 Hello WikiProject China:

WikiProject Women in Green is holding a  month-long Good Article Edit-a-thon event in October 2023!

Running from October 1 to 31, 2023, WikiProject Women in Green (WiG) is hosting a Good Article (GA) edit-a-thon event with the theme Around the World in 31 Days! All experience levels welcome. Never worked on a GA project before? We'll teach you how to get started. Or maybe you're an old hand at GAs – we'd love to have you involved! Participants are invited to work on nominating and/or reviewing GA submissions related to women and women's works (e.g., books, films) during the event period. We hope to collectively cover article subjects from at least 31 countries (or broader international articles) by month's end. GA resources and one-on-one support will be provided by experienced GA editors, and participants will have the opportunity to earn a special WiG barnstar for their efforts.

We hope to see you there! Grnrchst (talk) 12:51, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Dongyue Emperor
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Dongyue Emperor that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 14:42, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Yangmingism
Yangmingism is not the correct title for the Lu Wang school. Yangming is the personal name of the major philosopher Wang Yangming, one of the two main scholars under discussion. 140.147.2.1 (talk) 17:08, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
 * , Lu–Wang school, "Yangmingism". Folly Mox (talk) 20:00, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Wei? Weeeiii?
Anyone here have some interest and/or knowledge concerning minor Chinese rivers?

A) Wei River (Hebei) certainly shouldn't've been redirecting to Bohai Bay (fixed) but the Chinese Wiki's template box for all the major affluents of the bay doesn't list any corresponding 'Wei' at all. Most likely, it's a mistaken duplicate since our Wei River (Henan) article didn't previously know that river flows through Hebei for part of its course. It's possible that it was a mistake for the former lower course of our "Wei River (Henan)", which is now separately understood as the 漳卫新河 (Zhāngwèi Xīnhé or Zhāng–Wèi Xīnhé, "New Zhangwei" or "Zhang–Wei River") but we don't seem to have a separate article for yet. Depending on the mistake, we should either be redirecting to our current "Wei River (Henan)" article or moving the "Wei River (Hebei)" to however the 漳卫新河 gets handled in most scholarly English articles.

It is just possible that there's some other random small river called "the Wei" in northeastern Hebei, though. Anyone confident enough about what the mistake was here? and how to fix it now?

B) While you're here, Wei River (Henan) also had the separate issue that it seemed to entirely misunderstand the present lower course of the river. My own understanding and fix of the problem is on that article's talk page but—if there is some official Chinese riverine directory that does specifically and officially misunderstand the river (and Grand Canal) in the way described—then my fix would need to be fixed but the source should be provided and the reasoning laid out in the article. — Llywelyn II   02:41, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

Opinion needed
Hello, I welcome native or experienced editors with knowledge of China to give opinion. I would appreciate it if you could provide your opinion on the name change discussion Talk:Dongyue Emperor section. Your input would be valuable. Thanks and regards. 82.209.142.239 (talk) 01:29, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Enterprise Building (China)
My new China-themed article. Sadly, at 175 words, it's not long enough for a DYK and I cannot find much more in English sources. Can anyone do so, perhaps in Chinese sourcesw (all I got is this weibo? Also, does Liu Dejian have an article on zh wiki? He seems notable, desribed in some reports as one of Chinese richest people. PS. A free image would be nice too, but I am not holding out hope. I guess we can use something with fair use... PPS. The Chinese name of a building, assuming there is an official one, would be good to add. The company website I found is in English only . Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  11:03, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Chinese Wikipedia has not got Liu Dejian zh:劉德建 at time of writing (Baidu does). The building appears to be named just "Qiye Hao" . There's a full news article about it at here: "Red strike" is a cultural reference that could use some explanation, but hopefully it's not necessary for a trans-title parameter. There's another segment on the building at this article, which may not be relevant to support any different information, but there's certainly more news about it somewhere. The company's Chinese website is not loading for me. Folly Mox (talk) 12:13, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I guess "red strike" might also be a reference to Chinese localisation of the Star Trek franchise. I'm totally unfamiliar with that. Folly Mox (talk) 12:20, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I'll review this shortly! --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 02:22, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Recommended outline for names
I have a question for two pages.

First is Jin Boyang. His name written in Simplified and Traditional is the same. Should I drop one of them from Infobox Chinese?

Second is Dai Daiwei. His name 大卫 seems to utilize the alternate pronunciation for 大 when transcribed to english. How and where should I mention this in his wiki entry? Editor120918756 (talk) 11:30, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Editor120918756, I'm just one person here, but it's my personal opinion that Infobox Chinese is totally redundant to the lead sentence at Jin Boyang, so it can probably be removed entirely. I feel like the only purpose it serves at the moment is to demonstrate that the words in his name are the same across both modern character forms. As to Dai Daiwei, if there's a problem with editors moving the article to a wrong title based on misunderstanding the pronunciation, you could add a talk page message about it or a hidden html comment toward the top of the article. Infobox Chinese at that article already links to, which lists the standard pronunciations. Alternate pronunciation of individual characters is typically not something we mention, since it's considered trivial. See for example Langye Commandery, Sun Chen, Hu Sanxing. Folly Mox (talk) 17:04, 15 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you!! Editor120918756 (talk) 20:40, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Complete Library of the Four Treasuries
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Complete Library of the Four Treasuries that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Folly Mox (talk) 02:31, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Relevant CfDs
Some categories are up for discussion relating to Chinese topics, all of them at Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 16. The categories are: FYI, Folly Mox (talk) 01:18, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Category:Writing systems derived from the Chinese
 * Category:Chinese scripts
 * Category:Chinese spelling reform
 * Category:Han character input
 * Category:History of the Chinese script

Nomination for deletion of Template:Southern Min
Template:Southern Min has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Arctic Circle System (talk) 06:59, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

An editor has requested that Northern and southern China be moved to another page, which may be of interest to this WikiProject. You &#32;are invited to participate in the move discussion. -- 65.92.247.90 (talk) 11:18, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Dynasties in Chinese history
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Dynasties in Chinese history that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. – robertsky (talk) 17:55, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Splitting off History of religion in China from Religion in China
The article Religion in China is a very massive article. I have a draft for splitting the history section off from the main part. I feel it might be not enough though and the article will still be too long, but I'm less sure about other ways. ThoughtsImmanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 07:11, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Wuhan Sports Center Gymnasium
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Chinese translations of subdivisions etc (and other AWB ideas)
I am assuming that we want to remove the Chinese text in cases like "it has 3 residential communities (社区)", am I correct? I am thinking about using AWB to remove things like that (also an other suggestions for things to do with AWB While I'm at it are welcome). Danielt998 (talk) 18:10, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Context may matter. If 社區 is a term with an article that can be or is already wikilinked, the characters are unnecessary. Similarly if it is a common term that loses nothing in translation, the characters are unnecessary. If 社區 is a legal or otherwise special term that has its own meaning different to "residential communities" (I don't have an answer in this specific case), retaining the characters may help interested readers understand that this is a term with a special meaning in demographics or human geography or city planning or whatever, which we don't happen to have an article about yet. Folly Mox (talk) 18:38, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, for context, I am looking at town/city/etc articles like Huacheng. I guess the best option might be to link Residential community in this case and then remove the translation (and similar for other subdivision names)? Would like to get a few opinions before editing en masse though :) Danielt998 (talk) 19:56, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Hmm, in this case, given the source, I'm not sure if residential community is the same topic as 社區. I don't see any of the three 社區 (東區、西區、新橋) on the unreliable source google maps, and it's not clear if these are actually "residential communities" in that they are composed mostly or entirely of domiciles to the exception of commercial and industrial zones, or if the term 社區 could be better understood as "district", "township", "modern neighbourhood", or something else.I hope someone more familiar with demographic organisation in the PRC can comment here; I haven't lived there since 2011, and don't remember this term, although there were definitely major relocation projects underway to demolish old single family neighbourhoods to open up lands for development by consolidating population into newer, denser living situations, which may have been termed 社區. Folly Mox (talk) 21:23, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
 * I think the Chinese term should only be removed if we link the phrase "residential communities", probably to Residential community. The term 社区 has a specific meaning in Chinese administrative geography, and we should indicate that the phrase "residential community" is being used with this meaning rather than as a general description. what other types of subdivisions do you have in mind? —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 14:50, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Danielt998, so you know, I've done some work around the template, namely the out parameter and the  family of aliases, if those help you in the work at all. —  Remsense  聊  04:06, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know, those do sound like interesting additions Danielt998 (talk) 09:19, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Do you think it'd be worthwhile to have a shared page where regexes/code snippets for Chinese text could be shared? I've also been doing plenty of AWB work in this vein. — Remsense  聊  20:59, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Push for GA status for Chinese characters
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Korean influence on Chinese culture
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Battle of Red Cliffs to FAR
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Cfls's renaming of Chinese districts
It seems User:Cfls has recently renamed all Chinese districts from "XX District" to "XX, City that XX belongs to", giving no other reason other than WP:TITLECON. That's odd, because TITLECON links to WP:PLACE which links to WP:CHINESE, which gives the convention that our article titles had used before Cfls's changes. Was there some discussion for this change that I'm missing? I find it hard to believe that an experienced editor would make a massive change which disregards established convention without having discussed it with anyone first. Cobblet (talk) 23:44, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I am also puzzled. Remsense  聊  01:17, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not aware of any prior discussion, but if we're talking about a mass disambiguation on the merits, I weakly support it and definitely don't support undoing it. INS I must have been looking for the wrong thing; see below. 05:20, 23 November 2023 (UTC) WP:TITLECON makes sense as a reason, since some district names are perforce disambiguated (like Xincheng District), consistency would imply they should all be disambiguated.I note that the OP has overstated the scope of the mass action. Without looking very hard, I see Xi District, Shuncheng District, Wanghua District, Dongzhou District, Jianhua District, Longsha District, Ziyang District, Nan'an District, and many more that are still at titles matching . I'm not a big "article title" person, so I don't feel super strongly about it, but I imagine one reason some of our articles currently lack a disambiguator is due to redlinks or alternative names (for example, two out of three places in Taiwan that are named "西區" are translated as "West District" instead of transliterated as "Xi District", and the third lacks an article: see Xiqu and zh:西區 (臺南市)). I don't think a mass disambiguation is a bad idea, although it should have been discussed first. I invite  to comment here, but I don't believe any action is necessary. Folly Mox (talk) 13:02, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for correcting me, but that's even stranger then, that some articles have received this treatment and not others. FWIW, Ziyang District and Nan'an District are actually redirects. Cobblet (talk) 15:19, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks,, clearly I didn't do my due diligence before replying, a typical bad habit I have 🙃 Yeah I don't understand the reasoning exactly, and another thing I haven't done is a thorough search for a discussion about the mass disambiguation. There wasn't one on this page or Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Chinese) or MOS Talk:China, but it could be somewhere. Still hoping to hear from , but since we're at this point we might want to have a proper discussion now regardless of the participation of the initiating editor. Folly Mox (talk) 17:16, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * These moves are definitely wrong. 'district' (区）is part of the name in Chinese. While cities + provinces just go by the name – Henan, Beijing, etc. – a district is specified as such, always or almost always. This may seem odd to English speakers, but in English districts can and commonly are referred to by just their name: Tottenham e.g. or Toxteth. If the name is ambiguous it should be disambiguated but 'district' should still be included for correctness and to make it clear it's a district, not some other feature located in that city.--2A04:4A43:907F:F451:4584:675A:C90F:C0D1 (talk) 00:52, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Oops I confess I didn't even notice the elision of "District" from the article titles: too focused on finding the problem articles. Apologies to and striking my support above.Unregistered editor 2A04, you're absolutely right. The earlier moves in the series are of the form Zhaohua District → Zhaohua, Guangyuan, with newer ones like List of schools in Haidian District → List of schools in Haidian, Beijing, which I found by  searching User:Cfls's move log, which I should have done in the first place. There's also stuff like Zhangqiu, Yanggu County → Zhangqiu, Yanggu, which doesn't even make sense. So the general forms appear to be: 1. sometimes adding a superunit disambiguator (fine) 2. always removing a unit designation (wrong).Unit designations are part of the toponyms for Districts always, and I think also for Counties always. Cities aren't always specifically named " City", so dropping that can be ok, if we find instances of that.Anyway apologies for my earlier confusion. There are definitely a lot of them, and the things I said above about dusambiguating based on superunit still apply, but the moves are all incorrect. So I don't think straight reversion is the correct next step, but rather a separate move, to . I suppose if Cfls doesn't show up here soon we should just get started on it. Folly Mox (talk) 05:20, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi. Thank you all for your attention on this matter. The removal of the word is for clarity and for better understanding for the readers. Let me explain all your concerns. 1. The removal of the word "District" is not wrong. This is because all administrative divisions in China have being suffixed with a administrative division level name. For example, Beijing is officiall known as Beijing City (北京市). As we see in the corresponding article of Beijing, the article title is Beijing. This is also the case for other cities in China. More than that, it is also the same situation for Chinese provinces. For exmaple, the official name for Zhejiang is Zhejiang Province (浙江省). Therefore, the Wikipedia Chinese administrative division articles have already demonstrated the WP:TITLECON here. There is no need to take bias against the districts of cities to keep the redundant administrative suffixes. 2. Those districts are not the districts of a province or of the country, but are belongs to the city they are part of. They are officially called city-administered districts (市辖区). The addition of the city's name in the suffix helps readers to understand which city this district belongs to. For most of the out-of-town peoplem, they do not know the district names but they know the city's name instead. The standalone district names could mostly confuse people, especially the out-of-town people who do not know much about the city. 3. The city name suffix is a consistency standard on English Wikipedia. For urban districts in other countries, we have all districts and neighborhoods in Los Angeles with the ", Los Angeles" suffix, regardless of whether their names are unique or namesake. 4. There are too many name conflicts of urban distircts across China. For example, there are Chaoyang districts in Beijing, Changchun, and Shantou. There are also Dongcheng districts in Beijing and Dongguan. Using "Chaoyang District, Beijing" and "Dongguan District, Beijing" while having "Huairou District" and "Shijinshan District" makes the article titles inconsistent and diverse. This violates the WP:TITLECON policy of keeping article titles consistent. I hope mny answers above can respond to your concerns. What I do in the urban district articles is in the pursuit of WP:TITLECON and for making the Wikipedia article titles clearer and more understandable for readers. For articles other than the urban districts, I held no opinions on. I am open for discussion with WP:GOODFAITH, and hope you all can understand my efforts to make the urban districts' article titles clear and sound. And together, we make Wikipedia articles better. Cfls (talk) 21:43, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your comments. Unfortunately they do not address my main point, that removal of 'district' makes the titles worse both from a clarity point of view and to match common usage. I don't get your point about consistency; in this case the consistency should be within a geographic region, typically a country. If the practice in that country is to use 'district', as it is in China, then that should be followed here. Where I am such geographic terms have fallen out of use, or have been folded into names, e.g. Yorkshire. But in the US 'county' is used for sub-state units, even when not ambiguous; if you follow recent news you might have read a lot about the DA of Fulton County, Georgia, even though just "Fulton, Georgia" or even just "Fulton" would be clear and unambiguous.--2A04:4A43:907F:F451:91CB:B79D:6A28:A501 (talk) 14:32, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment For the naming we need to determine what newspaper articles, published books, magazines, and academic journal articles in English (either from China or outside China) use. Is it "Chaoyang District" or just "Chaoyang" without the district? Whichever it is, we should follow the lead. WhisperToMe (talk) 15:20, 25 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for engaging here. I hope you're not feeling accused of bad faith editing. I don't think anyone here means that. I do agree with points 2, 3, and 4 above indicating that the districts etc should be disambiguated by their containing administrative unit. I don't agree with point 1. The examples of cities and provinces are not to the point. Cities and provinces can be and often are referred to by just their toponym, without their administrative unit designation; it has been my experience that districts and counties are not. Folly Mox (talk) 17:26, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Nomination for split of Chinese calendar
Chinese calendar has been nominated to be split into Chinese lunisolar calendars, Chinese solar calendars, and Modern Chinese horology. You are invited to comment on the relevant talk page. Remsense 聊  06:37, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Disambiguation of links to Qingyang
Could you help to disambiguate links to Qingyang? There are several articles (shown at Disambig fix list for Qingyang) with links to this dab page and it is often unclear which one the link should point at. Any help appreciated.&mdash; Rod talk 16:46, 28 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I think the links coming from articles are all fixed now. There is still Category:Qingyang – maybe that should be moved to Category:Qingyang, Gansu. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 15:18, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for help with this.&mdash; Rod talk 16:42, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Han Chinese people
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Explicating naming consensus regarding Taiwan
Hey—I recently added some material to MOS:ZH trying to explicitly state what the working consensus (though mediated by explicit discussions) is regarding the WP:COMMONNAME of Taiwan. I wanted to make sure people saw it and could discuss or alter it if they felt the need to. Cheers! Remsense  留  16:28, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Request for sources for extant financial corporation
There is a new request at WP:RD/H for Chinese language sources about a modern company, if anyone here has interest in such topics. Folly Mox (talk) 14:10, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

People of China
FYI has been proposed to be merged to  -- 65.92.247.66 (talk) 06:04, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Land of Memories
I'll try to improve this shortly - but I expect most (more?) sources are in Chinese. Can someone identify the Chinese name of this work, and check if it, its author, or the award mentioned (all of those likely need Chinese names that I cannot find...) have entries on Chinese Wikipedia? TIA. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 10:03, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
 * It was a province-level competition for adolescent sci-fi writers, so it's not surprising that there is no entry in Chinese. One of the organizers contacted the author, a Communications professor who had played around with AI-assisted fiction, to give it a try. He didn't tell the other judges about this, so the work ended up getting three yes votes out of five. The competition handed out more than 100 prizes for about 200 entries, so I don't think people take it that seriously. Vacosea (talk) 00:27, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Can you add Chinese names to the article (for the book, author and competition)? They are in the source you cited but it is hard for me to do this as I don't read Chinese characters :( --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 08:31, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
 * I made some additions and changes. The novel actually received three votes out of six, not five. The competition was for "youths" from 14 to 45, which should bode well for all of us! Vacosea (talk) 10:15, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Da jiang article lacking sources.
Hello WikiProject China. The Article Da jiang has been listed under your WikiProject and is one of the oldest unreferenced articles on the site. If anyone would be able to take a look at it and add additional sources that would be great. Thanks! Tooncool64 (talk) 22:06, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Taoism
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Dahua Technology's minority state ownership
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Katherine Y. Qiu
I’m a bit mystified by this article, created by an SPA back in 2013. I can’t access any of the cited refs but I also can’t find any other references to the subject anywhere online (in English). Can anyone else verify the sources provided? Is the article ok, or is notability doubtful, or could it be a hoax? Thanks Mccapra (talk) 14:09, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm taking a look at this, and it doesn't look good. I haven't done a full AfD BEFORE yet at this point, but I'm noticing that the article makes a bunch of claims that seem pretty false:
 * the first version with citations cites the claim to a source apparently published 1938;
 * that version also dropped an earlier claim stating ("Award for the Metaphysical Arts" returns no meaningful ghits);
 * the bit about is pretty dubious: no combination of romanisation systems will produce "Qiu" and "Qin" from the same name: you could expect Qin / Ch'in / Chin or Qiu / Ch'iu / Chiou, but the final would always be clearly differentiable, and there are no words, much less surnames, that accept both readings;
 * then there's the book source attributed to Nathaniel Cha (not a Chinese surname) that purports to be a full length biography of the subject, published by Penguin? and only cited once?;
 * and the dubious claim that the subject adopted a pen name to publish "On Mao Zedong's thoughts about population" published by the US National Library of Medicine? but written in Chinese, but the pen name is in pinyin with no characters (it's not possible to communicate the initial "R." in hanzi), and found this to be necessary five years after Mao's death?
 * zh:秦暉 (Qin Hui) doesn't mention any siblings. I'll see if I can rustle up any mentions of anyone who could have been conflated into a composite misidentification like this, but the article history feels like someone made up a thing and threw a bunch of spurious cites at it after modifying the story. I could be wrong but that's my current feeling. Folly Mox (talk) 16:02, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. That was my feeling too. Mccapra (talk) 16:18, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I've confirmed that Isaacs 1938, p 78 makes no mention of anyone surnamed Qiu or Qin, nor makes any mention of Yumen City.There is / was a Katherine Chiu (later Katherine Chiu Lyle then Katherine Chiu Hinton) who wrote positively about PRC population control measures in the 1970s and 1980s, under her own name. That's the nearest match I've found so far. I'll keep digging; not sure this is prima facie G11able INS G3able, but I'd prefer that outcome to an AfD. Please let us know here if you open one. Folly Mox (talk) 16:32, 14 January 2024 (UTC) (INS corrected: 18:22, 14 January 2024 (UTC))
 * She wrote a book, but the biography doesn't match: born late 30s, fled with family to Taiwan in 1949. Birth name Ch'iu Yühua, though. Kanguole 16:46, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * The most complete source I've been able to find as a biography for this Katherine Chiu is Folly Mox (talk) 17:22, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * No results for "Nathaniel Cha" at Penguin or Worldcat. Ditto "Katherine Qiu", "Katherine Y Qiu", "Katherine Qin" (per the "mistranslated surname" claim). There are at least two unrelated Katherines Chin. Folly Mox (talk) 16:41, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * No results anywhere for Qin Hui having a sister. The article at is originally  I haven't been able to contextualise this author yet: all the Chinese websites are timing out on me or throwing 502s. Folly Mox (talk) 17:08, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * As expected, Gluckstein 1958 p 132 fails verification as well. No one from the Qin or Qiu families is mentioned; the context is state monopoly on grain trade. I think I'm satisfied this article is a hoax. Folly Mox (talk) 17:33, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Ok, Pan 2008 (OCRed and fully searchable in my region at gbooks) has no mention of any Katherine, and Leys 1981 p 212 fails verification spectacularly and hilariously: the page is blank, facing the first appendix, a translation of a 1958 letter to Mao. That's all the sources checked except for the 2012 conference paper. I don't think it's possible this article was a good faith misidentification or conflation. Folly Mox (talk) 17:50, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I’m very grateful to you for such thorough work, thank you. I’m going to send it to AfD now. Mccapra (talk) 17:54, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Now at AfD at Articles for deletion/Katherine Y. Qiu. Mccapra (talk) 18:05, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * For completeness, since there's an AfD now, I found a writeup of the 2012 conference paper, purportedly by the presenter. No mention of any Katherine. Folly Mox (talk) 18:07, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Proposed merge of Phoenix Hill Football Stadium into Chengdu Rongcheng F.C.
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Improving Climate policy of China
As you may know the article was just renamed to this title and needs a lot of improvement. As the subject is very important I hope some of you guys can pitch in as I am sure you know far more about China than I do Chidgk1 (talk) 13:20, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Tang campaign against Kucha
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Shocked
Our childhood dream, "The Nine Yin Manual" (九陰真經), is at risk of deletion due to the limited presence of Chinese native editors. Only wuxia fans or those familiar with Chinese culture truly understand the significance of this topic. Western editors lacking knowledge in wuxia are attempting to assess its importance. Despite not being Chinese, I recognize that The Nine Yin Manual deserves a Wikipedia article due to its notability. It has been the subject of numerous scholarly discussions and analyses, easily discoverable through Google Scholar by searching its Chinese name 九陰真經. If you have an opinion on the matter, feel free to express it on the AfD (Articles for deletion) discussion page: Articles for deletion/Jiuyin Zhenjing. Thanks for your consideration. 1.47.133.86 (talk) 23:24, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Carrot knife
Could someone check on this one, especially on how to write the toy knife variants into English. The subject was originally known as "重力幼崽小萝卜" by its inventor which when ran through Google Translate is "Gravity Cub Raddish" which doesn't seem right. It also talked on how he was inspired by videos in Bilibili UP? Not sure on how to write it here.Hariboneagle927 (talk) 16:57, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I think "Gravity Cub Radish" is an accurate literal translation. I suppose the word 重力 ("gravity") refers to something about how the toy is used; China Daily says "it achieves knife-like movements through its own gravity". The word 幼崽 ("cub") is used humorously to refer to a child. This word for "radish" (小萝卜) is similar to the standard Chinese word for "carrot" (胡萝卜); these are similar vegetables and a carrot in Chinese is literally a "foreign radish", so it seems English-language sources vary in whether they call the toy a carrot knife or a radish knife. A looser translation, to capture the vibe of the Chinese phrase you quoted, might be something like "kids' gravity carrot". —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 01:53, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Definitions of Chinese cities in the narrowest sense (城鎮)
Hello, does http://www.stats.gov.cn/sj/pcsj/rkpc/5rp/html/append7.htm define the following 城鎮 as: township area of ​​an approved established town. Including: towns and districts of organized towns where the people's governments and administrative offices of counties and above (excluding cities) are located, and towns and districts of other organized towns. Township refers to: (1) The seat of the town people’s government and other neighborhood committee areas under the jurisdiction of the town; (2) The urban construction of the town people's government seat has been extended to the surrounding village committee seats, and its town area should also include the entire area of ​​the village committee. Kind regards Sarcelles (talk) 13:04, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Moved from Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia Asian Month/2023. Warm Regards, ZI Jony  (Talk) 07:26, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
 * zh:城鎮 is a dismabiguation page. The introduction is something I don't understand. It has the following wikilinks:

英吉沙镇 seems to be an article on a particular town
 * 城市 links to the interwiki of City 鎮 is a redirect to 鄉鎮 which links to Town.
 * 行政建制镇 links to the interwiki of Towns of China
 * 集镇 links to Market town
 * 村镇 links to an interwiki, in Hebrew. This interwiki links to Village.

Kind regards Sarcelles (talk)


 * Sorry I missed this, but no, the source provided does not define 城鎮 as any of the things listed. The source defines 城鎮 as a compound term indicating cities and towns, broadly construed, as does the introduction to the dabpage zh:城鎮. Folly Mox (talk) 10:10, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your mesassage. https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%B8%AD%E8%8F%AF%E4%BA%BA%E6%B0%91%E5%85%B1%E5%92%8C%E5%9C%8B%E5%9F%8E%E5%B8%82%E4%BA%BA%E5%8F%A3%E6%8E%92%E5%90%8D

has a column, the third with population figures, where it has the population of 城鎮. It has 鄉村 as the remainder of 市轄區. Its endnote includes: 2010年数据根據国家统计局於2008年所发布的《统计上划分城乡的规定》中「城镇人口」的定義. Does this meanthe folllowing: Figures for 2010 are based on the definition of "urban population" in the Regulations on Statistical Classification of Rural and Urban Areas issued by the National Bureau of Statistics in 2008.? Where are the numbers of the column defined? Kind regards Sarcelles (talk) 14:26, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
 * disambiguation page zh:城鎮 has the following parts:

Does the article 集镇 say the following:Market town, mostly refers to the administrative centre of the town or rural commercial settlement. They are characterised by a high density of housing, a concentration of dwellings, and a high proportion of residents who take up commercial trade as their occupation. A "market town" has a certain commercial radiation capacity within a certain area, and is a distribution centre for agricultural products and a concentration area for trade. Municipalities, larger towns with a certain degree of urbanisation, also referred to as "towns" - one of the forms of administrative divisions. Traditionally, market towns had small bazaars, and in some parts of Mainland China, the custom of catching up with the market is still popular. In the modern sense, market towns often have a unified construction and development plan by the government - a form of town planning. In order to distinguish between ordinary market towns and towns as administrative divisions, administrative towns are often referred to as "towns". Mainland China In mainland China, a market town refers to the seat of the people's government of a township or an ethnic township, and an unincorporated town confirmed by the people's government of a county to have been developed from a market as a service centre for economy, culture and life in a certain area of the countryside. In the administrative division of "market towns" in mainland China, small "market towns" are divided into one community or formed by several small "market towns" into one community; large "market towns" are divided into two communities: the first one is divided into two communities and the second one is divided into two communities; the second one is divided into two communities and the third one is divided into two communities. Large "market towns" are divided into one or more communities or constitute a town (administrative town).''? Villages and towns in mainland China
 * Does the first part say the following: Smaller in scale than cities, but larger than towns, and with a predominantly non-agricultural population, they have developed to the extent that they have become industrial and commercial intensive areas of a certain scale. According to Chinese regulations, towns are the seats of counties, authorities above the county level, or settlements with a resident population of more than 2,000 and less than 100,000 people, with more than 50 per cent of the population being non-agricultural.?
 * 行政建制镇 linking to en article Towns of China
 * 集镇 linking to Market town.
 * Villages and towns, in Chinese, refer to a kind of settlement between villages and market towns, which is usually a concentrated and piecemeal distribution area of residential buildings in a rural community, with a certain commercial base and a high density of inhabitants relative to the general rural area.

Village and town planning: In the modern sense, "village and town" is the combined name of village and town. The planning of villages and towns is often called "village and town planning". In mainland China, most of the "villages and towns" in remote areas are inhabited by clans. In terms of administrative zoning, most "villages and towns" in remote areas are inhabited by a large number of people from one administrative village or a number of villagers' groups, with one family name dominating.
 * This part, judging by the romnanized spelling in Uyghur article apparently is the article on Yengisar, a geographical entity

城 is a disambiguation page. It links to:
 * 城市 links to interwiki city
 * 城堡 links to castle
 * 城池 links to no English article, but seems to be about fortified cities.
 * 城 (日本) links to Japanese castle
 * 城 (行政區劃) apparently is about something in Vietnam

Does zh:鎮 say the following? A township is a type of settlement and can be used as a type of administrative division. Overview In 1887, the International Statistical Institute (ISI) proposed a classification system for residential areas common to all countries, stipulating that any population concentration with more than 2,000 inhabitants could be called a city, while those with fewer than 2,000 inhabitants would be called villages. It has not been universally adopted because of the differences in national conditions and the difficulty of adapting it to the specific situation of each country. Although town or small city in English is widely translated as town, town and small city, the Chinese term "鄉鎮" has different connotations as the context changes. Township Xiangxiang, oracle bone inscriptions like two people to eat, the original meaning is to entertain others with wine and food, is the ancient character of "Connoisseur", the pre-Qin period borrowed as the domain name of the administrative region. Tang, Song to the present refers to the administrative district below the county, the size of the jurisdiction of different generations, used to this day, with reference to the Western administrative district "township" concept, expanding the concept of modern township-level administrative districts. Township Township (Administrative unit) In the Republic of China (Taiwan), townships are located under counties and have the same level as cities and townships under counties. There are township offices and township representative assemblies, which serve as local administrative organs and public opinion organs respectively. Under the townships, there are li (里), which are at the same level as the villages under the townships. The administrative towns of the People's Republic of China (Mainland China) are known as "established towns" for short. They are between counties and administrative villages, and are at the same level as townships, with township people's governments. "In ancient China, a town was a special administrative unit, a small or medium-sized city garrisoned by the army and its dependents, equipped with a more complete military function, and shouldering the task of guarding the geographical strongholds, i.e., a military town; an example of this is the military town of Tuen Mun. There is no strict definition of "town" in the modern Chinese language, and it is used in a variety of ways. It may be a "town" with a population density higher than that of a rural village and with better residential and commercial facilities; it may be a "village-town" which is a combination of a village and a town; it may be a "market-town" which has a certain scale of infrastructure and serves as a commercial centre for the neighbouring villages and towns. It may be a "market town" which has a certain scale of infrastructure and serves as a commercial colony for nearby villages and towns; it may be a "city" or "town" which is smaller in scale than a city but larger than a town; and it is sometimes used to describe a city which is particularly developed in certain aspects, such as an industrial town, a commercial town, an academic town, or a town with a high level of education. town" or "town"; sometimes it is also used to describe a city that is particularly developed in some way, such as an industrial town, commercial town, academic town, etc.
 * Does https://zh.wikipedia.org/zh-hant/%E5%9F%8E%E9%95%87%E4%BA%BA%E5%8F%A3 say the following below?

kind regards

''Urban areas refer to the areas delineated by this regulation in municipal districts and cities without districts. Urban areas include:

The residents' committee area under the jurisdiction of the subdistrict office ; Other residents committee areas and village committee areas connected to urban public facilities, residential facilities, etc.

Townships refer to towns and other areas outside urban areas, areas delineated by this regulation. The township includes:

The residents’ committee area under the jurisdiction of the town; The village committee area to which the town’s public facilities, residential facilities, etc. are connected; Special areas such as independent industrial and mining areas, development zones, scientific research units, colleges and universities, farms, and forest farms with a permanent population of more than 3,000 people.'' Kind regards

Can 城鎮人口, the heading of the last column in the Chinese article mentioned be translated as urban area or area of the city? Kind regards, Sarcelles (talk) 18:26, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Does the beginning of the latter mentioned article saythe following?: ''On March 10, 2006, the National Bureau of Statistics of China issued the "Interim Provisions on the Statistical Classification of Urban and Rural Areas", making a new classification of "urban" and "rural". The stipulated cities and towns refer to the areas delineated by the regulations on the basis of China's municipal system and administrative divisions. Cities and towns include urban areas and towns.

​''? Sarcelles (talk) 10:21, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Urban areas refer to the residents' committees and other areas that are connected to the actual construction of district and municipal government residences in municipal districts and cities without districts. Which explanation does exist fo this?

Sarcelles (talk) 20:02, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
 * This is what https://www.stats.gov.cn/sj/pcsj/rkpc/6rp/html/fu11.htm seems to say in Chinese.Sarcelles (talk) 08:06, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
 * zh:中华人民共和国城市建制 seems to say: Many cities still have administrative divisions called " urban areas " and " suburban areas ", which are the most concentrated expression and the last remnant of this binary opposition. It links to zh:市区, the interwiki of urban area. When measuring urban population, mainland China also uses the standard of built-up areas . 建成區 seems to say:  the "Basic Terminology Standards for Urban Planning" ( GB /T 50280-98) defines "urban built-up area" as "the areas that have actually been developed and constructed, municipal public facilities and public facilities within the urban administrative area." Areas with basic facilities.” Mainland China's statistics department uses built-up area to reflect the size of a city 's urbanized area. Specifically refers to the land acquisition and non-agricultural production and construction areas within a municipal area that have been developed by actual construction, including concentrated and contiguous parts of the urban area and suburban areas closely related to the city center, with basically complete municipal public facilities Urban construction land for facilities (such as airports, sewage treatment plants, communication stations). The scope of the built-up area generally refers to the area included by the outer contour of the built-up area, which is the boundary range of the actual construction land of the city. Therefore, it is a closed and complete area, a city with multiple towns scattered around it. The built-up area may be composed of several corresponding closed areas.

Sarcelles (talk) 11:04, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
 * 重庆主城区 and 重庆主城都市区 are articles on the central part of Chongqing with one definition each. https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%B8%AD%E8%8F%AF%E4%BA%BA%E6%B0%91%E5%85%B1%E5%92%8C%E5%9C%8B%E5%9F%8E%E5%B8%82%E4%BA%BA%E5%8F%A3%E6%8E%92%E5%90%8D had as respective population of Chongqing for 2010 as

Area Population 16,044,027, as Municipalities Population 12,084,385 and as Town Population 8,894,757.Sarcelles (talk) 15:41, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
 * https://stats.yn.gov.cn/Pages_26_2791.aspx seems to have the following:

110 urban areas 111 Main city area 112 urban-rural integration zone

Partially connected village-level areas refer to when the actual construction of the township-level government residence is connected to the village-level residence within the jurisdiction, and the connected village-level area contains agricultural land, then the village-level area is a partially connected village-level area. A village-level area that is completely connected to other districts and cities refers to the actual construction connection between a village-level unit and a municipal area outside the area, a district or municipal government station, or a street station, and the connected village-level area has no agricultural land. The area of ​​this village-level unit is a village-level area that is completely connected to other districts and cities. The village-level area that is partially connected to other districts and cities refers to the actual construction connection between the village-level unit and the municipal area, non-district and municipal government residence or street residence in other areas, and the connected village-level area retains agricultural land, then the area of ​​this village-level unit is the village-level area that is partially connected to other districts and cities. The village-level area that is completely connected to other towns refers to the actual construction connection between the village-level unit and the town government residence in the non-urban area outside the area, and the connected village-level area does not have agricultural land, then the area of ​​the village-level unit is connected with other towns. A village-level area that is completely connected to the town. The village-level area partially connected to other towns refers to the actual construction connection between the village-level unit and the town government residence in the non-urban area outside the area, and the connected village-level unit retains agricultural land, then the area of ​​the village-level unit is connected with other towns. Special areas also exist. Sarcelles (talk) 19:30, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Foreign concessions navbox
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How best to source verifiably PD 丹青 paintings for use in articles
Hey everyone—I've been working on getting Zhuangzi (book) to FA status, and one of the minor things on my checklist is sourcing one or two really solid images—probably paintings—-to illustrate the article. Specifically, I'd probably like depictions of the Joy of Fish anecdote with Zhuangzi and Huizi. Commons:Category:Zhuang Zhou in art and related categories have a plethora, but all that I've looked at are not adequately sourced, and I haven't been able to adequately track down an authorship chain for any with any integrity, so I do not want to use them in an article if I don't know they're in the public domain.One thing I want to ask is—does anyone know of any solid online art galleries where I might be able to find some media like what I'm looking for. Thanks in advance! — Remsense  诉  23:29, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
 * This painting from the Met's website was inspired by the Joy of Fish story and is in the public domain: [Https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/40393 https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/40393]-Danaman5 (talk) 00:21, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

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I am working at the Chinese Legalism page, and although I have ideas and some work to cobble together on the back end, it's present state is very basic in putting it back together. I have a good category in mind to put together. It's in the stanford encylopedia, and I can find some other sources. But the page does not yet cover it's basic introduction. We need to talk about introductions.

Mainly I can avoid blanket terms, I don't care. But Fajia is one of Sima Tan's six schools of thought. I haven't actually much discussed the term Fajia yet - airship suggested we discuss it, but doesn't know that we can. I would like a discussion of whether it should be discussed, and why it should or shouldn't be discussed. If I don't discuss it where I am starting with?

I believe that this discussion should be based on what you believe should be in the page, and why or why not. I don't believe that is should be based on the name of the page without a challenged discussion of the name. Legalism isn't a valid category in acamedia, and I don't even know how common it is as conventional term. Both Legalism and Fajia are deprecated categories, both are different categories in academia, and both have different coverages philosophically where Legalism isn't simply used conventionally.

The figures are also not Legalists, but that doesn't that matter, I don't need blanket terms.

While, with some work it is possible to discuss them in Warring States context (inasmuch as is desirable for a general page), Fajia and Legalism are not warring states period categories, and they are not used as warring states period categories.FourLights (talk) 06:32, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

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