Wikipedia talk:WikiProject China/Archive 33

Requested move at Talk:Chinese language and varieties in the United States
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Chinese language and varieties in the United States that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 (talk) 01:53, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Cheang Pou-soi
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Cheang Pou-soi that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 (talk) 02:02, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

elgooG
I have started a discussion on the notability of elgooG. You may view it here. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 19:38, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:2024 Ju County attack
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:2024 Ju County attack that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 (talk) 05:30, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Sheng nu
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Sheng nu that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Remsense 诉  03:52, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

AfD: China and the opioid epidemic in the United States
Articles for deletion/China and the opioid epidemic in the United States FailedMusician (talk) 02:22, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Discussion at Everything Everywhere All at Once
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Everything_Everywhere_All_at_Once, which is within the scope of this WikiProject. Spinixster  (trout me!)  02:49, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Chinese Right-wing politics
I added to the article about the right-wing politics of the Chinese Communist Party. See Right-wing politics. ProKMT (talk) 07:22, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I've given it a quick pass. Remsense  诉  07:42, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * There is more going on here than a single edit. Rather I am concerned you are pushing the WP:FRINGE POV that the Chinese Communist Party is a conservative party. This is happening across dozens of articles. In addition I'm a bit alarmed that this seems to extend generally to treatment of historical anti-western movements in China as de-facto conservative and pro-western movements both historically and in the present political clime as de-facto left-wing. Simonm223 (talk) 12:25, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * One of the manifestations of this is an WP:UNDUE focus on a very small group of essays and books by Yuezhi Zhao and Christer Pursiainen - frequently with vague language about "some researchers" or such when, for the most part, it's just those two. Simonm223 (talk) 12:29, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * And one last note is that I don't believe you are accurately reflecting the thrust of Zhao's work. Simonm223 (talk) 12:32, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I finished a review of the section on China in that article. Two of the sources are properly represented. The rest vary from kind of WP:SYNTH such as equating a criticism of Xi Jinping as a criticism of the CPC to entirely irrelevant such as a page reference to an article about Li Zicheng. Simonm223 (talk) 13:04, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Hokkien article and infobox
There's currently a discussion to establish consensus on aspects including layout and sourcing on the Hokkien article. Input from folks would be appreciated. Remsense 诉  22:32, 7 May 2024 (UTC)

Invitation to the 2024 Developing Countries WikiContest
Hello, everyone! I'd like to invite you all to sign up for the upcoming 2024 Developing Countries WikiContest. The event runs from July 1 to September 30 and signups close on July 15. The WikiContest focuses on developing countries, in which they have included China. The intention is to improve the English Wikipedia's coverage and comprehension of articles related to developing countries. For this reason, you may also expect that articles related to the China may be heavily edited during the contest. More information on how points will be awarded can be found at 2024 Developing Countries WikiContest/Scoring. For comments or suggestions, please don't hesitate to reach out to Wikipedia talk:2024 Developing Countries WikiContest. Thank you! (Copied with the permission of Chlod) CMD (talk) 12:36, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

Democratic Alliance for the Betterment and Progress of Hong Kong‎
Currently, there is an edit dispute in a DAB article. DAB has long been marked "Centre-right" on infoobox, and its source is presented. However, Guotaian changed its political position to "Big Tent". The source presented by Guotaian explains the 'claim' of the DAB, so Guotaian's editing is WP:SYNTH. I want other users to keep an eye on this article. ProKMT (talk) 01:02, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

218.54.93.120 edits
Hello, I tried looking on the translation tab, but it was difficult to tell who was still active.

218.54.93.120, has been making changes to the zh template of a few pages recently. Seems to be interested in removing simplified Chinese and replacing with traditional characters. I want to check to see if these edits should be addressed or are they acceptable? Thanks, -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 02:17, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I took a quick look-see, and they seem to be adding traditional more than removing simplified. In any case, here's generally what we do:
 * In the lead sentence and, we include both forms save in very particular circumstances (i.e. China only has simplified in the lead)
 * In places like the native name of the infobox, we usually only include the form relevant to the individual. They seem to be making a mess of things in this regard.
 * Remsense 诉  02:40, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Remsense are there edits you think should be reverted? Unfortunately, since they have not edited in a few days (at least through this IP address), it might be futile to warn them. -- Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 05:04, 15 May 2024 (UTC)
 * @Classicwiki, I went through and reverted the ones I saw that were problematic. Seems fine. Remsense  诉  05:37, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Sino-Xenic pronunciations
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Sino-Xenic pronunciations that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 16:11, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Does the Laizhou Hong meet GNG?
This article is in poor shape and I will try and improve it; however, I'd rather not put much effort into that if it ends up deleted due to lacking notability. I cannot speak Chinese which is what most of the sources appear to be in so I'd like conformation from anyone here that it meets GNG in Chinese sources. Traumnovelle (talk) 20:43, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Chinese elections
Wanting to see articles on elections in China, I visited this template. But to my disappointment it only links various sessions of the National People's Congress. I don't think this then serves any purpose for the title it contains. Is someone willing to improve this? Or is a better template available to redirect or merge this?

If any of this is not possible, I will move this towards a deletion nomination. Gotitbro (talk) 21:25, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

chinese-language-only video games
needs populating with games that are not just from mainland China. It was nominated for deletion as a duplicate of a PRC-only videogame category. -- 65.92.244.143 (talk) 06:20, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

RfC about handling the Chinese calendar
Kindly direct your comments to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Years but our current year-by-year handling of the Chinese calendar is somewhere between amusingly bad and nonsensical misrepresentation. We should fix it. Some solutions are obvious (use imperial era numbering), others will require some consensus building (handling regnal dating before the Han, how to appropriately abbreviate dating by the supposed ascension of the Yellow Emperor, &c.). — Llywelyn II   22:23, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

So... this is awkward (ROC dating)
This project is probably more active and should have users able to answer the question. Like I just posted at WPTAIWAN,

(a) As noted since 2013, our actual article on the "Republic of China calendar" entirely omits discussion on how dates before 1912 are handled in the system. Presumably, they aren't handled at all and official practice is to just use Julian/Gregorian dating or the old imperial lunisolar eras. However, we currently have nearly every year of human history back to 719 BC tagged with a "Minguo calendar" equivalent using the form "NNNN before ROC" followed by "民前NNNN年". Is that actually based on anything real whatsoever? Is it the right phrasing in both languages? If it's real, how does it handle the Julian/Gregorian conversion? If it ain't, what was the last date officially using the old lunisolar months?

(b) Those 4000ish year entries are possibly the most prominent use of this system in the English language but, to the extent it can be figured out, is the actual of the system "Minguo calendar" like the infobox has, "Republic of China calendar" like our page has (partially based on mistaken parallelism with North Korea), or "ROC era" like Ngram suggests it might be (although also based on lots of discussion of mainland topics during the period 1912–1949)? Whichever one it is, the page and the 4000ish applications of the infobox should both be correct and should both agree. — Llywelyn II   20:23, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I think I can answer, though no sources: I haven't really seen Minguo calendar used nearly as much in English. It's not used to backdate at all, it's meant as a civil calendar and saying "前民國400年" or whatever would seem intensely strange, that's just not the point of it. Remsense  诉  21:21, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I know you're too busy to hunt down specific sources now, but you mean you feel you have seen one of the other terms being used frequently in English? I've definitely seen Minguo as often as ROC (extremely seldomly for either but both in specific detailed contexts), versus absolutely never seeing anyone except Wikipedia writing out all of Republic of China in normal discussion of a date, but ymmv. — Llywelyn II   22:18, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I left some comments about this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Taiwan before I saw this discussion. It seems some sources do mention years like "民國前12年", "民前12年", or "民元前12年", but I think it's more common to use Common Era years or Chinese era name years for events before the late Qing dynasty. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 15:05, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

WP:Xinjiang
Anyone interested in joining? TALK 03:02, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Red link...? --Piotrus at Hanyang&#124; reply here 08:58, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * It’s in user space. Admin told me to move it back once I had enough people that wanted to join 48JCL  TALK  11:21, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Chang Hsueh-liang
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Chang Hsueh-liang that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Векочел (talk) 12:25, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Prehistory of China
(To be moved from The Prehistoric Culture of China shortly). Pretty major topic, was missing until a student of mine translated it from zh wiki just now. Since it is quite important, I am mentioning it here for folks to review and copyedit and so on. Might make for a good WP:DYK perhaps? Piotrus at Hanyang&#124; reply here 08:57, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I've begun the copyediting process, but have to leave for work shortly. The article seems good, but I don't think the move to the current title was correct. From the lead sentence: Chinese prehistory refers to the culture of the Stone Age in China. No, the subject described in the prose of the article is "material cultures of stone age China" or similar. Prehistory is a much broader topic, and a more cross-disciplinary thing than strictly archaeology. Folly Mox (talk) 12:59, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Both might be valid topics, so the title might depend on whether the article is expected to be expanded to become more broad, or if the intention is that a broader Prehistory article be created at some later point. We do already have List of Neolithic cultures of China. The article looks ready for DYK (maybe expand the lead?), but there has been trouble with student editors in the past so they should only nominate if they are planning to stay engaged and answer potential questions from the reviewer. CMD (talk) 14:07, 7 June 2024 (UTC)