Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Clans of Scotland/Archive 7

Septs/jargon
I was cleaning up other material re: the surname Hardy and came across the term "Septs". I had no idea what the term "Septs" meant (until I looked it up). This term used undefined in Wikipedia Clan articles makes it jargon. And this reference actually says "septs" is jargon and incorrect usage to boot re:Scottish clans. Someone may want to look into that. I used that ref to cleanup the entry at Clan Douglas. SomeRandomFilmArticleEditor (talk) 19:05, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Have you checked out the Sept article ? You might find some information there dude.QuintusPetillius (talk) 19:09, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Its not really a question of "can I find the information", its a question of whether the article is written in jargon. It seems it is. Also the ref I quoted points to the Scottish part of the Sept article being a bit bogus.SomeRandomFilmArticleEditor (talk) 00:35, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

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WikiProject cleanup listing
I have created together with Smallman12q a toolserver tool that shows a weekly-updated list of cleanup categories for WikiProjects, that can be used as a replacement for WolterBot and this WikiProject is among those that are already included (because it is a member of Category:WolterBot cleanup listing subscriptions). See the tool's wiki page, this project's listing in one big table or by categories and the index of WikiProjects. Svick (talk) 19:34, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Good stuff - by count is perhaps the most useful for highlighting the articles that really need some love, and that highlights Dewar (Dewar na Ferg) of Perthshire as a bit of a disaster area. It's obviously copied from some offline family history, it needs a copyedit, probably a rename, and some thought about its relation to the main Clan Dewar article, which is rather sketchy at the moment.Le Deluge (talk) 13:57, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Curries
fyi: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Curries of Arran: A Brief History and Their Tartan.

Colonel Warden (talk) 14:40, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Deletion of articles on heirs to former thrones
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WikiProject Clans of Scotland
I have radically changed the Wikipedia:WikiProject Clans of Scotland layout. The blueprint I used was that of WikiProject Heraldry and vexillology. As you can see the project has a neat set of tags that link the project into different sections (you will need to place the extra pages on your watch list). I added an extra tab to link this talk page as I felt the tabs could lose some inexperienced users who just enter the project to ask questions (tabs rather annoyingly have separate talk pages). It also looks rather nice in my view, and somewhat more professional. Any thoughts? Yours ever, Czar Brodie (talk) 08:45, 2 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes a great improvement Czar. Well done.QuintusPetillius (talk) 18:55, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Copy Paste
Several articles seem guilty of copy pasting from internet links. My understanding is that this is a copyright violation. I have tagged some of the guilty articles with. These are: Clan Rose, Clan Irvine and Clan Urquhart and I suspect that there are many more. Yours ever, Czar Brodie (talk) 22:04, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Czar, I'll see if I can get round to re-writing the history sections of these three clan articles, referencing from the Collins Scottish Clan Encyclopedia. What I would like to do is at least get all of the articles for clans with current chiefs referenced up. Of course there are many that are already well referenced that I will not need to touch but there is still a large number that a poorly sourced and in some cases there are no sources/references at all. Cheers.QuintusPetillius (talk) 18:55, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Update: Hi Czar, the above three mentioned articles I have now sorted so that there is no copy and paste problem with the electric Scotland website. Cheers.QuintusPetillius (talk) 19:01, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

House of Burnett/Clan Burnett
I seem to have waded into an edit war at House of Burnett/Clan Burnett. The mater has been going on for some time and does not seem to to be able to be resolved between user:Bearpatch and myself. We would welcome other input and opinions on the mater. Yours ever, Czar Brodie (talk) 00:02, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Clan MacEwen - overhaul needed
Hi there! I feel the Clan MacEwen section needs a major overhaul. I've tinkered with it before to introduce the idea that not all MacEwens are descended from Clan Ewen of Otter, but it still places way too much emphasis on this historical clan. Earlier writers (notably R. S. T. MacEwen, 1904) have claimed a link with between modern MacEwens and Clan Ewen of Otter, but have not presented evidence to support the claim. I have been researching the history of the MacEwen and Ewing names for several years. There are known origins for the MacEwen name in a medieval clan based in Galloway, in Clan Cameron and in Clan MacDougall. All these are clearly supported by evidence, but there's no clear evidence that any MacEwens are descended from Clan Ewen of Otter. So, what should I do? Should I just go ahead and re-write? Or is there some process to offer a new version for general appraisal? Thanks for your help. Thor Thor Ewing (talk) 09:16, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 * If I were you I'd put a note in the article talk page announcing your intention and stating that you'll start work in a week's time (or whenever) if there are no objections. If any come up, discuss them until everyone's happy. That's all the process that's really needed. Good luck! -- Derek Ross &#124; Talk'' 13:16, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi Thor Ewing, remember that if you are going to re-write then you must provide references/sources for you information. Ideally there should be an inline citation for each sentence. And you are not supposed to remove information from Wikipeida, that is already well sourced, without prior discussion. Thanks.QuintusPetillius (talk) 14:01, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you both. I'll put a notice on the Talk Page right away.Thor Ewing (talk) 16:21, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Bogus websites copying from Wikipedia
I have come across no less than four new clan websites that are copying directly from Wikipedia. They copying exactly from the Wikipedia articles, therefore a Tag has to be inserted into the Wiki article to state that Wikipedia had the info first. Whats worse is someone is adding these bogus websites as external links to the Wikipedia article. So far I have found the following and have removed them as external links from the relative clan article: I am particularly annoyed about this because the first three articles I have worked hard to research myself. All four are well sourced Wiki articles. We have to make sure to add the Tag because otherwise there is the absurd possibility of someone accusing Wikipedia of copying the info!QuintusPetillius (talk) 16:27, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
 * http://clanarbuthnott.com/history/
 * http://clananstruther.com/history/
 * http://clanmacbain.com/history/
 * http://clanmacalister.com/?page_id=12

The two Clan Frasers
The Standing Council of Scottish Chiefs, according to their official website recognizes both a chief of Clan Fraser and a chief of Clan Fraser of Lovat. The Scottish Clan and Family Encyclopedia like wise recognizes them as separate clans. The Clan Fraser is the Lowland clan and the Clan Fraser of Lovat is the Highland clan. Currently the Clan Fraser article is entirely about the Highland clan. We did once have an article for the Lovat branch but it just contained duplicated info from the Clan Fraser article and so was re-directed. What I am proposing to do, as per the official sources, is transfer the info currently in the Clan Fraser article to the Clan Fraser of Lovat article and then re-write the Clan Fraser article with info about the Lowland clan.QuintusPetillius (talk) 11:43, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

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Popular clan articles that need major work
QuintusPetillius (talk) 12:55, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Clan Gregor - this has been a popular article for random IP users and others to come along and edit. But it has become a mass of unsourced information. What with the clan's famous member, Rob Roy MacGregor, it would be good to get the clan article up to a good standard, but I do not want to get into an edit war.
 * Clan MacLaren - another article that has been popular to edit. It does have some sources but is largely unsourced. Would be good to get it up to a good standard.
 * Clan Swinton - a lot of information and effort has been put into this article but again it is largely unsourced. Would be good to get up to standards.
 * Update: I have made some edits to the Clan Gregor article - mainly removing unsourced info and adding info with references.QuintusPetillius (talk) 14:34, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Update: I have brought the Clan MacLaren article up to a better standard. It is now well sourced.QuintusPetillius (talk) 14:13, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Proposed restrictions on styles & titles of former royals
A proposal is now pending to !vote to ban use of titles, honorifics and styles historically associated with titled members of no longer reigning families or to require that wherever such titles are mentioned in a Wikipedia bio, article or template that a disclaimer must be attached informing the reader that the title/style is not legal or is a courtesy title only. You may read opinions and express your views here. FactStraight (talk) 22:49, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Carter-Campbell of Possil
I have serious problems with the current state of this article. I'm being reverted in edits to take in hand, by User:ContribUnit, who is apparently unaware that "defending" the article in this fashion, they are putting its very existence at risk. I actually do not see so far that this subdivision of Campbells is worth an article in its own right: I was led there by a reference I couldn't resolve, and the sheer accumulation of material is not as far as I can see establishing the notability. There a clear line between clan history and indiscriminate family history, as I hope is common ground. Charles Matthews (talk) 12:13, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
 * The article has potential to be a good article but is not yet. If you can improve it then go ahead and edit. However I would be unhappy for the article to be deleted. The majority of the article is well sourced with secondary sources, however it does not read very well, not like an encyclopedia article should.QuintusPetillius (talk) 19:46, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

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Sir Malcolm Colquhoun, 9th Baronet, Chief of the Colquhoun Clan
Hello. Much appreciated if you want to help keep (and hopefully expanded) his page. Please add a keep if you can to this page. Thanks.Zigzig20s (talk) 18:16, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Clan Buchanan Heraldry
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Clan Ewing Page
I noticed that there is no page for Clan Ewing and recently Clan Ewing has been officially recognized by the Court of the Lord Lyon. I would like to create a page because there's a lot of information relevant specifically to Clan Ewing such as their crest, coat-of-arms, registered tartan, and roots.

I saw some notices about unlinked pages being deleted. Should I first identify pages this article would reference against and edit in those references before building that page, or is deletion unlikely? (I've never created a page before)

EricEwing (talk) 02:56, 1 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Great idea, Eric. Go ahead!Thor Ewing (talk) 17:02, 18 October 2014 (UTC)


 * It doesn't look like this is about to happen any time soon. Would it be OK for me to put up a stub myself (I'm Commander of the Clan)? Thor Ewing (talk) 18:25, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Clan Cochrane
I was left a message on my talk page, possibly because I was the last person to edit the Clan Cochrane page. I don't really have time to do much about it so I'm posting it here in hopes that someone else can take care of things. Of course, I'm unable to verify the identity of the person but the point about the clan motto and crest being incorrect seems valid. The message from my talk page follows:


 * I am Thomas Cochran, President of Clan Cochrane in North America and Commissioner to the Chief Clan Cochrane. While I find most of your page accurate and well written there is a glaring error. The Clan Motto is not "Virtute et Labour". It is "Virtute et Labore".Labour is an alternate spelling of the English "labor". Labore is the Latin word for "hard work", which is paired with the Latin word for "valor". The clan crest thus is incorrect also. I have seen this version around the internet and I not sure how to address that issue, but I do hope you will correct your page. Thanks. 69.170.194.133 (talk) 23:53, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

I guess a public domain version of the crest needs to be found. I'm a bit unclear about how to do that. Best, Pigman ☿/talk 00:25, 1 October 2014 (UTC)


 * I've adapted the previous image file to include the correct motto.Thor Ewing (talk) 09:24, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

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David Stewart (major-general)
An article about Major General David Stewart, who wrote a book in two volumes that created the modern image of the clans, including regiments, look, tartan, battles etc. It needs to be assessed in 3 months. Worth a look. scope_creep (talk) 13:43, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Friendly reminder about reliable sources (avoid use of scotclans.com, electricscotland.com, etc.)
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Clan MacLaren wiki page
I would like to add the original MacLaurin crest badge from 1781 and also replace the incorrect crest badge that is depicted for the modern Clan MacLaren. How do I go about doing that? Cordially Mac — Preceding unsigned comment added by MacRory Mor (talk • contribs) 00:32, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't think you understand, the Clan MacLaren page on Wikipedia is supposed to have the modern crest badge. That is what the page is representing. So you won't be able to do that. I have also left several messages for you to reply to on Talk:Clan McLaurin. This whole Clan McLaurin thing is very dubious to say the least.QuintusPetillius (talk) 10:51, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Issues with WP:OR on clan articles
Could use more eyes on this Sourcing and OR on Clan articles, Need more eyes. Thanks - CorbieV  ☊ ☼ 23:45, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

MacGowan, McGowan, "Scoto-Irish"
So far the main sourcing for this stub, Clan MacCowan, is actually about "Scoto-Irish" Clan MacGowan. I'm thinking it would maybe be more appropriate to merged and redirect to McGowan, rather than what I'm cleaning up, which is yet another copy and paste retread of all the variant, interconnected and sometimes redundant Clan MacEwen et al articles. Not every listed surname on those "find your clan!" websites needs it's own Clan page on WP... Would appreciate more input. - CorbieV  ☊ ☼ 21:12, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose I disagree with merging these two pages. They are about two different things. McGown should list all people and places named McGown and Clan McGwon should be about the clan of that name.

Sept lists
I think we should have a rule in policy that names found in the sept lists should not simply be linked to a the surname disambiguation page for that name. Just because someone has a surname that is regarded as a sept surname of a clan does not mean that they or their ancestors' ancestors were from the same family that was a sept. There are endless examples of this. Some of these are surnames have origins in countries other than Scotland for a start. So, links should only be made to pages specifically about the sept of that name. For example if you check the septs listed on the Clan Munro article, they all go to pages specifically about the septs by that name. As are those on the Clan Ross, Clan Sutherland and Clan Mackay articles. However, while I do not think it acceptable to link to articles just about the surname, I do think that is acceptable in certain cases for a sept name to link to a clan article of the name. For example on the Clan Douglas page all of the septs with links go to articles to clans who are clans in their own right, but who historically were smaller septs or vassals of the Clan Douglas. Also, it might be worth looking into some proper sources for septs other than the old 19th century lists which are hardly reliable. The book What Is My Clan?: A Study of Scottish Clans, Their Septs, and the Various Spellings by David W. McIntosh, published 2018, may be somewhereto start looking for this.QuintusPetillius (talk) 16:26, 9 December 2018 (UTC)


 * You can look at it from another direction. Some readers may assume that, because a partular surname is listed as a sept, that this name is always or mostly connected with a certain clan. If such surnames are wiki-linked to, and the surname article is half descent, the reader will become informed that there is much more to that surname than they originally thought. So I don't think we should automatically cull links to name pages. I think there can be use in linking to (descent) surname articles. It's just a judgement call.


 * I would say that articles on established septs should be wiki-linked in preference to surnames articles. So, like what we've got with the Mackay-descended Bains for example. Instead of wiki-linking to the surname article Bain, the listed Mackay sept of 'Bain' links to the actual family in question.


 * I agree that improving the quality of our sources should always be encouraged. If you think that book is better than most, you could add it to WikiProject Clans of Scotland/Resources, it might encourage someone else to use it.--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 00:55, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Late reply I know, but I've only just seen your reply. The problem is that by linking surname disambiguation pages to sept names it implies that everyone with that surname belongs to the sept of that name, which in the majority of cases will not be correct. So I see it as being misleading.QuintusPetillius (talk) 20:23, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

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MacLarens, MacLaurins and Clanlaurane
Greetings,

My interest is primarily relating the true story of the MacLaurins/MacLarens/McLerrans (so many spellings) which is fascinating and very different from the Clan MacLaren's version and that of Robert Bain, George Way of Plean, Romilly Squire, James Logan, Frank Adam and Sir Iain Moncrieffe of that Ilk, most of their writings are uncited. Logan is especially suspect as "The Clans of the Scottish Highlands" was a 'pay to play' coffee table book much like a "Who's Who". The Clan MacLaren was created in 1957, based on the above authors work and from the novels of Sir Walter Scott. There are no historic primary sources that mention a Clan MacLaren in Balquhidder or Strathearn, its history began in 1957 not before. BTW: the depicted MacLaren crest is incorrect, too many points on the crown.

For the time being I have placed a Disputed citation on the article as recommended by wikipedia.

I am also interested in adding an article on the armigerous Clan MacLaurin of Argyll dating from 1781, the Matriculation of John MacLaurin, Lord Dreghorn's chiefly undifferenced arms is available but the petition and supporting documents have unfortunately been lost by the Court of the Lord Lyon. This clans progenitors appear in primary church records to be a series of Vicars Laurence and M'Labhruinn's in Kilmartin nearby Kilmichael and Ardchattan in Argyll, perhaps beginning with Laurence de Ergadia in the 13th centuryon the Isle of Lismore, then under M'Dougall control.

There was also an historic 16th century 'Clanlaurane' in and around Loch Tay as described in the "Black Book of Taymouth" a primary source, and other Campbell of Glenorchy Bonds that are found in the National Records of Scotland.

Cordially — Preceding unsigned comment added by Macrorybeg (talk • contribs) 17:00, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Resources
Greetings I am very interested in the history of Scottish Clans, with fifty years of research under my belt. When researching wikipedia Resource requirements for articles on Scottish Clans, so that I can create an article on Clan MacLaurin that was created in 1781 by the Court of the Lord Lyon, I was surprised to see the following listed as reliable sources, Adam, Logan, Moncrieffe, Learney and Way. Learney was famously known for clan/sept-making during his long tenure as King of Arms based on his books that have no sources listed. Logan was criticized in the 1890s for his inventions and pandering to the American tourist dollar, this was over a hundred years ago. None of these published books have references that meet academic standards, or they have no footnotes, references or bibliography at all.


 * Way of Plean, George; Squire, Romilly (1994). Scottish Clan and Family Encyclopaedia.


 * McIan, R.R. and Logan, James (1985). The Clans of the Scottish Highlands. New York: Crescent Books.


 * Bain, Robert; Stewart-Blacker, P. E.; MacDougall, Margaret O. (ed.) (1983). The Clans And Tartans Of Scotland. London: Fontana. ISBN 0-00-411117-6. - also ISBN 0-00-6364160. Contains information on a clan and its history, crests, mottos, tartans (with a color plate of each), etc.


 * Adam, Frank; Innes of Learney, Thomas (1970). The Clans, Septs & Regiments of the Scottish Highlands (8th ed.). Edinburgh: Johnston and Bacon.


 * Moncreiffe of that Ilk, Sir Iain (1967). The Highland Clans. London: Barrie & Rockliff.

Scratching my head!Macrorybeg (talk) 18:50, 24 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Way of Plean, George; Squire, Romilly (1994). Scottish Clan and Family Encyclopaedia, is approved by the Lord Lyon, Lyon Court and Standing Council of Scottish Chiefs, as are many of the publications by Moncreiffe. Wikipedia is about reflecting what the published secondary sources say. If you want to dispute them then you have to provide verifiable sources to prove the point that you are trying to make. In fact, all of the above sources would be acceptable under Verifiability. Please also see guidance on claiming to be an expert. QuintusPetillius (talk) 19:35, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Proposed inclusion criteria for List of tartans
Please see Talk:List of tartans, a proposal for a three-point list of inclusion criteria. There are at least 7000 tartans and we cannot account for them all in a single article. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  20:44, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

Clearances
The term clearances has redirected to Highland Clearances for many years. Someone is proposing to change this to a disambiguation redirect, but doesn't seem to have notified any of the projects concerned, so I am posting this to each of the projects. If you wish to comment, please do so here:
 * Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2020_May_27

--188.30.171.198 (talk) 14:21, 30 May 2020 (UTC)

There is a merge proposal at Clan Hunter
I have placed it at Talk:Clan Hunter § Request to merge from Draft:Clan Hunter and am positing it here as the most relecvant WikiProject. It is also at the Requested Merges page. My nomination is purely procedural. I have no opinion about the correct outcome. Fiddle  Faddle  13:29, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Garbharry
Hello, I made an edit to the Battle of Garbharry Wiki entry, but it probably needs tidied up...! Wasn't sure how to remove the image at the top right - it was incorrect. The new correct image is in the centre of the page.

Many thanks, Ken — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kennethmcelroy1 (talk • contribs) 05:06, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

Clan Heatherington
Hey. Back in 2014, an IP on the Scots Wikipedia created the article Clan Heatherington without providing any sources or editing it further, but the only evidence I've found that the Heatherington family is a clan have been a blog, a closed Facebook group and a wiki (which on closer investigation probably copied Border reivers). Is this a hoax? CiphriusKane (talk) 17:28, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

User script to detect unreliable sources
I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like and turns it into something like
 * John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.
 * John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.

It will work on a variety of links, including those from cite web, cite journal and doi.

The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.

- &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b}

This is a one time notice and can't be unsubscribed from. Delivered by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:01, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Project-independent quality assessments
Quality assessments by Wikipedia editors rate articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at Content assessment, but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent Village pump proposal was approved and has been implemented to add a class parameter to WikiProject banner shell, which can display a general quality assessment for an article, and to let project banner templates "inherit" this assessment.

No action is required if your wikiproject follows the standard assessment approach. Over time, quality assessments will be migrated up to WikiProject banner shell, and your project banner will automatically "inherit" any changes to the general assessments for the purpose of assigning categories.

However, if your project has decided to "opt out" and follow a non-standard quality assessment approach, all you have to do is modify your wikiproject banner template to pass WPBannerMeta a new custom parameter. If this is done, changes to the general quality assessment will be ignored, and your project-level assessment will be displayed and used to create categories, as at present. Aymatth2 (talk) 13:35, 10 April 2023 (UTC)