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Should musicians having memory lapse in concerts be added as an entire paragraph in their biographies?
A brief summary of my long paragraphs: Should incidents like musicians having memory lapse in concerts be added to controversy, career or personal life section, i.e. notable as an entire paragraph in their biographies? (As currently, biographies only include long-term memory lapse as a one-sentence description) Also, seeking for GA Nominee Advice. Thanks a lot.

Since the community has not discussed this matter before, I am asking to clarify my confusion: I am currently working on this classical pianist's biography, hoping to improve it to GA status. I just noticed two debates/discussions on its discussion page on whether him having a memory lapse in a 2015 concert should be added to the controversy section. In the first discussion in 2016, the two editors (according to edit history) seemed to have reached agreement that the inclusion may have violated WP:BLP trivial/gossip and it was not kept at last. In the second discussion in 2021, the other two editors didn't reach an agreement on the matter. So now, I am confused and want to know whether the memory lapse incident should be added to the controversy (or career or personal life section, as an entire paragraph) or not, and I want to get it resolved to one step forward meeting GA standards.

I have read some other musicians' biographies concerning memory lapse as references. I notice that although having memory lapse is a usual mistake in classical concerts, only a few musicians having long term (yearly) memory lapse were included as a one setence description in their career/personal life section, not controversy section e.g. Vladimir Horowitz, Anton Rubinstein.

It makes me doubt whether a one-time concert memory lapse is necessary to be included in the controversy section of musician's biography, and whether this may violate WP:BLP. (According to previous replies in teahouse, it seems that this should not be included in musicians’ controversy section) Also, I am wondering if such incident is relevant/has the necessity to be included as an entire paragraph in musicians’ career/personal life section

Also, I would like some additional advice/feedback to improve this article, allowing it to meet GA status. Thank you so much, once again. EleniXDD ※  Talk  12:03, 17 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Controversy sections generally shouldn't exist at all, which would suggest that if this is to be included it will be included in some other section. However, I don't think we should have a general discussion on if or where such details would be included, since it will be highly context-specific. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:01, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Got it, thanks. Other experienced editors at teahouse suggested that I could look at biographies as references (if it has the necessity to be included as other section).
 * Currently in Wikipedia's biographies, I observed that only musicians having memory lapse in concerts lasted yearly are listed-- this makes me wonder if there's a general agreement on this kind of incident.
 * If I just take other GA or of high quality biographies' as references on quality, is it enough for me to promote it to GA.
 * Thanks for the reply, EleniXDD  ※  Talk  14:35, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi there, I've just committed to reviewing your article, so can speak more about it on the review page.
 * The people at the teahouse mean well, but these kinds of situations vary wildly between different pianists, so looking for comparisons may be misleading. If reliable sources are covering something in depth, it should be mentioned. As Nikkimaria says, it should likely not be a section in itself, and should be incorporated into a large narrative of the article.  Aza24  (talk)   17:23, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much for your kind help. Sure, let’s discuss it on the review page. EleniXDD  ※  Talk  17:32, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Just a thought, if the lapse was especially notable, e.g. the performer suddenly played a different piece or did an amazing improvisation or etc, then I think it warrants inclusion; but rarely as a whole paragraph. Unless of course it is a regular feature of their performances. Again as pointed out, the WP:RSs are key — Iadmc  ♫ talk  05:32, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
 * The correct answer is that an article should reflect what reliable sources have written about the subject. If there is a good biography written after the incident, what percentage of that biography is devoted to the incident? The article generally should have roughly the same percentage coverage. It's likely that, apart from news-of-the-day commentary, a memory lapse would get very minor coverage which probably means it should not be mentioned in the article. Another way of looking at it is to ask what impact the incident had. Was there a medical examination? Did the incident lead to the cancelation of a concert? Did the audience riot? It's likely that the impact, after a few days of news coverage, was zero. Therefore, it should not be mentioned. Johnuniq (talk) 05:50, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Discussion on Classical music Eligibility at Wiki Yearly Album List
In case of interest, please take look at discussion Talk:List_of_2024_albums#Classical_music_eligibility EleniXDD  ※  Talk  06:30, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:But what about the noise...
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:But what about the noise... that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 (talk) 11:40, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

RFC at String Quartets, Op. 20 (Haydn)
I have opened an RFC regarding deletions that @Wickiwickedness has made. Input will be appreciated. Ravpapa (talk) 10:26, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

References improvement needed for Verdi's Requiem
Verdi's Requiem was first performed on 22 May 1874, - its 150th anniversary is tomorrow. The referencing should be improved, ideally for a Main page appearance. Please look and help at Talk:Requiem (Verdi). -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:35, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Main page appearance will come, more references - and more music - would be good! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:00, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Dmitri Shostakovich has an RfC
Dmitri Shostakovich has an RfC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 18:59, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Mahler infobox
I've suggested an infobox for Mahler. We are at an impasse at the moment and require further input. Thanks — Iadmc  ♫ talk  15:10, 3 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Add comments to the talkpage: Talk:Gustav Mahler — Iadmc  ♫ talk  15:13, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm very pro-infobox, but it seems that most of the active users of this project (and the opera project) are very much against infoboxes. I'm pro because eventually infoboxes will be replaced with information pulled from Wikidata, which will make them easier to use across different language wikis and will be easier to update (in the case of those that have changing information, such as populations).  Having witnessed these arguments over time, I'd say it's not worth spending effort to argue.  You can create infoboxes for articles you create and I feel that's the best use of your time, rather than modifying existing articles where many editors will disagree. - kosboot (talk) 15:18, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I would disagree - infoboxes are important and useful enough (and basically universal on every other chunk of Wikipedia) that it's worth going through the effort to get past the roadblocks. PianoDan (talk) 16:00, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the comments guys! I was involved in the RfC over at composers group... I know about the arguments. PianoDan is right: we should keep going despite the effort and resistance— Iadmc  ♫ talk  14:42, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

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A discussion is taking place as to whether the article XIX International Chopin Piano Competition is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted. intforce (talk) 09:29, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Deceased editor
I am sad to report that Hyacinth,a very long-standing editor to articles on this project, has passed away. Condolences should go on his talk page. Graham87 (talk) 08:39, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Please help out with Brahms
In his page, I fixed many of the phrases and made them less argumentative. Still, there's more that needs to be rephrased (especially under the Reception section), as well as citations that need to be added (especially in the introduction and Music section). I can't do all this by myself, so could somebody lend out a helping hand? Thank you.

P.S. My condolences to Graham87, I noticed he was mentioned in the post before me. May he rest in peace. Wikieditor662 (talk) 01:18, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

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