Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Classical music/Archive 72

Wikidata
I don't know how many people here are involved with Wikidata. I work with it a little. About a year ago The Signpost published an article showing the utility of being able to summon up all the works of a particular graphic artist, despite there being no Wikipedia articles for some of the paintings. That got me to thinking that one could do the same for composers. Does anyone want to work with me in tackling such a project? - kosboot (talk) 14:24, 12 October 2018 (UTC)


 * You can do this outside of mainspace using Wikidata list, with P86 and the Q-number for the relevant composer (eg Q255 for Beethoven). Nikkimaria (talk) 00:57, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Milenko Stefanović - overciting problem
Dear classical music experts: The above article has a lot of overciting, among other issues. Could someone who is familiar with classical music sources maybe remove some unnecessary references and select just a few external links? I remove a reference to a record store and one to ebay. Thanks!&mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 04:05, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

János Scholz
Hello. Feel free to help me expand János Scholz. I don't believe Discogs is an RS, but it would be good to add that he played Mozart, Schubert, etc...We need an RS first though.Zigzig20s (talk) 10:57, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Need help reviewing Draft:Elliot Wuu
Could somebody take a look at Draft:Elliot Wuu. I'm trying to figure out if it meets item 9 (Has won first, second or third place in a major music competition) of WP:MUSICBIO, but I'm not familar with the awards so I can't judge if they meet the major music competition requirement. -- RoySmith (talk) 23:33, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Community Wishlist Survey
Hi. I haven't posted here before, but I was wondering what editors in this topic area thought about this (I don't edit classical music articles frequently).

I'm planning to propose some sort of limited MuseScore integration with MediaWiki at the Community Wishlist Survey, since (a) there don't seem to be a lot of correctly licensed recordings of public domain music which are newer than 95 years; (b) MIDI can already be uploaded to Commons but can't be played, so this isn't really unprecedented; (c) MuseScore generally has better playback and editing than the Score extension (in my opinion); (d) allowing MuseScore files to be uploaded to Commons would have general positive effects for other MuseScore users and musicians; (e) Commons and WP would get to benefit from the OpenScore project's development.

The specific things that would probably be requested would be
 * (definitely) allowing Commons uploads of .mscz and .mscx files
 * (probably) allowing the sheet music and/or audio of the files to be displayed (as PDF and OGG respectively) when used with normal file syntax
 * (maybe) creation of standard template files for MuseScore files, such as a file for displaying a one-line snippet of sheet music

Would these things be generally beneficial for classical music articles? Is there something I've missed that would be helpful? (In general it doesn't really help with the prose part of articles, but there's only so much that software changes would ameliorate.) Jc86035 (talk) 17:33, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Posted at m:Community Wishlist Survey 2019/Multimedia and Commons/Allowing upload, rendering and playback of MuseScore files. Jc86035 (talk) 17:35, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Featured quality source review RFC
Editors in this WikiProject may be interested in the featured quality source review RFC that has been ongoing. It would change the featured article candidate process (FAC) so that source reviews would need to occur prior to any other reviews for FAC. Your comments are appreciated. --IznoRepeat (talk) 21:40, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Appropriation (music)
The important article is being considered for deletion. —Cote d&#39;Azur (talk) 07:16, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

Augustin Hadelich
Largely a promo 'sourced' by the website of his agent, it seems.....anyone fancy cutting it down to size?--Smerus (talk) 17:17, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I've now had a go at it.--Smerus (talk) 21:57, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Komorniki Festival of Organ and Chamber Music
Was wondering if someone more familiar with classical music or classical music concerts/festival could take a look at this and assess it for WP:NEVENT. None of the content is supported by citations to any reliable sources and many of the participants don't appear to be Wikipedia notable musicians or musical groups. -- Marchjuly (talk) 09:24, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

WikiJournal of Humanities published first article
T.Shafee(Evo &#38; Evo)talk 09:35, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Silent Night's 200th anniversary is on December 24th
Hi all. "Silent Night" was first performed on Christmas Eve in 1818, and consequently will appear on the Main page in the "On this day" section on December 24th. As the article is within the scope of this Wikiproject I figured editors here might be interested in improving it before then. There are no major issues with it that I can see, but it's also rather short and I feel certain it could be significantly expanded if interested editors had a go at it. I'd be happy to help out, of course, but as this isn't remotely my field I fear I have very little to contribute. Any takers? (PS. Cross-posting this to WP:CM and WP:SONGS as the most relevant Wikiprojects with recent activity.) --Xover (talk) 10:11, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

RILM Music Encyclopedias
I just had a chance to examine a resource RILM Music Encyclopedias - scanned/encoded versions of 54 dictionaries/encyclopedias. It's available at my public library but not from home (perhaps some academic institutions make it available from home for alumni). The list of encyclopedias is very interesting - I know a number of these works are among the only places to find biographical information on certain musicians:
 * Algemene muziekencyclopedie
 * Annals of Opera
 * Band Music Notes
 * Biographical Dictionary of Afro-American and African Musicians
 * Biographical Dictionary of Musicians: With a Bibliography of English Writings on Music
 * Biographical Dictionary of Russian/Soviet Composers
 * Biographie universelle des musiciens et bibliographie générale de la musique
 * Biographisch-bibliographisches Quellen-Lexikon
 * Blasmusik-Lexikon: Komponisten – Autoren – Werke – Literatur
 * Broadway: Its History, People, and Places: An Encyclopedia
 * Československý hudební slovník osob a institucí
 * Concise Garland Encyclopedia of World Music
 * Conductors and Composers of Popular Orchestral Music: A Biographical and Discographical Sourcebook
 * Dictionary of American classical composers
 * Dictionary of Music and Musicians (A.D. 1450–1889)
 * Dictionary of the Avant-Gardes
 * Dictionnaire de la musique: Les hommes et leurs œuvres
 * Dictionnaire de la musique: Science de la musique: Formes, techniques, instruments
 * Dictionnaire de musique
 * Dictionnaire des œuvres de l’art vocal
 * Dizionario degli editori musicali italiani, 1750–1930
 * Dizionario e bibliografia della musica
 * Dizionario universale dei musicisti (Schmidl)
 * Enciclopédia da música brasileira
 * Encyclopedia of American Gospel Music
 * Encyclopedia of Music in the 20th Century
 * Encyclopedia of Recorded Sound
 * Encyclopedia of the American Theatre Organ
 * Encyclopedia of the Blues
 * Encyclopédie de la musique et dictionnaire du Conservatoire
 * Garland Encyclopedia of World Music
 * Gothic- und Dark Wave-Lexikon: Das Lexikon der schwarzen Szene, von Ambient bis Industrial, von Neofolk bis Future Pop und von Goth-Rock bis Black Metal
 * Großes Sängerlexikon
 * Handwörterbuch der musikalischen Terminologie
 * Historical Dictionary of the Music and Musicians of Finland
 * Hollywood Songsters: Singers Who Act and Actors Who Sing: A Biographical Dictionary
 * Hugo Riemanns Musik-Lexikon
 * International Encyclopedia of Women Composers
 * Komponisten der Gegenwart
 * March Music Notes
 * Melodramma italiano: Dizionario bio-bibliografico dei compositori
 * Neues Historisch-biographisches Lexikon der Tonküstler
 * Opernlexikon
 * Paris Opéra: An Encyclopedia of Operas, Ballets, Composers, and Performers
 * Percussionists: A biographical dictionary (JRG)
 * Steirisches Musiklexikon
 * Tin Pan Alley: An Encyclopedia of the Golden Age of American Song
 * The 20th century violin concertante
 * Παγκοσμιο Λεξικο Της Μουσικης [Pagkosmio Lexiko Tes Mousikes]

Hope this is of some use. - kosboot (talk) 00:37, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

A link to a DAB page
Piano Concerto No. 1 (Liszt) contains a link to the DAB page Diminished chord. Does anyone know what particular chord this is? Thanks in advance, Narky Blert (talk) 11:23, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Flute sonata and Flute Sonata
There are four pairs of an article and a disambiguation page – Bassoon concerto and Bassoon Concerto, Flute sonata and Flute Sonata, Organ concerto and Organ Concerto, Trumpet concerto and Trumpet Concerto. The first member of each pair is an article about the form (with a large list of compositions), whereas the second one is a disambiguation page listing a small number of articles that have this as a title. I'm not sure this is optimal. The articles already contain all the content (and more) of the dab page, so the dab page seems kind of unnecessary. But on the other hand, I guess it's convenient for a reader who types say "Organ Concerto" to be able to get to a place that lists only the articles about compositions that are actually known as "Organ Concerto". Any thoughts? – Uanfala (talk) 00:29, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I am very unhappy about pairs of articles which use a slightly artificial capitalisation (arguably misusing the WP title rules about the specific and the general) to distinguish between a general article and what is effectively a list. There's inevitably going to be omission and duplication. I note also that Flute sonata and Flute Sonata don't cross-refer to each other.
 * I would much prefer a single article on the general topic which included a list; or, if the article be large, a split into a general article and a list article. As always: what are our readers looking for? and how can we best help them find it? I don't see the need for such DAB pages at all, and I spend most of my time on WP working with DAB pages. A reader looking for a particular composition will almost always know the name of the composer.
 * No-one is even finding the DAB pages. Who types capitals into the search box? Views in the last 30 days - Flute sonata 305, Flute Sonata 9. That's background noise.
 * This whole area may be a mess. While composing this post, I came across:


 * 1) String trio. I like this article, although the description is a bit stubby. It could do with an explanation of why the form is so rare (answer: because it leaves the composer very exposed [citation needed]). (If anyone can work out where the two stray }} pairs are coming from and get rid of them, you'll have my thanks.)
 * 2) String quartet. The section 'Notable quartets' is horribly WP:POV and has no inclusion criteria. It includes some composers I'd never heard of (Robert Volkmann, anyone?) and omits others (e.g. no List of compositions by Benjamin Britten). I greatly prefer the incomplete but potentially comprehensive List of compositions for string quartet to a subjective list like that.
 * 3) Horn Concerto is another DAB page. is a redirect to List of compositions for horn. That article has several problems, most obviously:
 * 4) The list is said to be selective, but there are no inclusion criteria.
 * 5) Many of the composers are redlinked and unsourced. Some, but probably not all, will be notable and may have articles in other WPs. (E.g. I've just ill-linked Johann Gottfried Schuncke.) I suggest the inclusion criteria should be: bluelink, ill link, or WP:RS citation for the composer.
 * 6) The list is divided by partly by era and partly by date. (1) Era is subjective. (Don't even try to fit Beethoven's compositions into tidy boxes labelled 'Classical' and 'Romantic'.) (2) There are anomalies. Richard Strauss' 2nd Concerto (which wasn't bluelinked until just now) is listed as a Romantic work (I wouldn't argue with that) but not as a 20th century work (composed 1942, premiered 1943). In contrast, Ethyl Smyth's Concerto for Violin, Horn and Orchestra (1926) is listed as being a 20th century work rather than as Romantic. I much prefer the approach of ordering either alphabetically by composer's surname or by composer's date of birth (or by both, in a sortable list).
 * Narky Blert (talk) 11:12, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I've worked my way through List of compositions for horn. In total, I turned 34 redlinks either into bluelinks or into ill links. Narky Blert (talk) 20:05, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I would support merging as many of the smaller articles, DAB articles into the larger articles. I would also support organizing by date rather than start debates over what eras something belongs in.  on camera  13:36, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
 * I too prefer birthdate as the best means of organisation. It's neutral, unambiguous, and puts things in historical context. Narky Blert (talk) 02:45, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

WikiProject Classical music
Hi, I noticed the WikiProject Classical music tag on a person's article talk page does not display class or importance the way WikiProject Biography or other WikiProjects display the parameter status. When you click on edit, you see that |class=start is insert. Is this feature broken? Look at talk page of Paul Daniel for example. SWP13 (talk) 16:57, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Classical music (the project) doesn't rate articles, other than GA and FA. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:18, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Music conductors
Hi, I noticed that many music conductors don't have a subcategory in WikiProject Biography. Since a conductor of an orchestra must have a music related degree. Is it correct to assume a conductor is a musician? I think musician-work-group=yes in WikiProject Biography is appropriate using examples such as Colin Davis, Paul Daniel, and many other male conductors. I wanted an expert opinion before I start inserting to conductors in Category:Women conductors (music). Thanks, SWP13 (talk) 17:49, 18 February 2019 (UTC)


 * (Conductors don't need a music-related degree. They just need to conduct. :) ) But WikiProject Biography is a totally different group - you should be asking them.  Meanwhile, I assume, WikiProject Classical music will continue to tag based on the group's interest. - kosboot (talk) 01:03, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Degree or not, I agree that conductors are always musicians. But I also agree that adding yes to WikiProject Biography is a matter for the WP:WikiProject Biography. As for this project: not all conductors fall into its scope, typically not those that can also be found in Category:Bandleaders. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 03:25, 20 February 2019 (UTC)


 * I'd say they should be musicians, because they "make" music, but am used to the phrase "the singers and the musicians" which sounds as if not even singers were musicians. Certainly correct to bring it up at Biography whose template it is. Sorry for the detour from my talk page to there ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:46, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Music and music periodical publisher
I am having trouble getting approval at AfC for Draft:S. Brainard Sons. I would be happy to have help. Thanks. FloridaArmy (talk) 21:09, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I've moved it into article space, FloridaArmy. A clearly notable topic. Frankly, if I were you, I'd avoid the vagaries of the AfC process. I've rescued dozens of classical music-related articles from their clutches. The reviewers often lack the expertise and knowledge to evaluate pre-21st century topics. Voceditenore (talk) 15:03, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Heritage Orchestra
Hello. I know it says "non-classical" but I still think this might be the right place to ask. I would be grateful if someone with experience of orchestral articles would please have a quick look at Heritage Orchestra. It seems recently to have become somewhat POV-ish in parts of its language, and has acquired an unfeasibly (perhaps just in my opinion) lengthy chronology. For reasons too boring to recount here I don't want to get into editing it and indeed I don't have much that experience with orchestral articles per se. Just as a reader/observer I am unsure that its recent direction is wholly appropriate, though I certainly do appreciate the editor's efforts (pinging for transparency) to make it more current. Best to all, DBaK (talk) 09:08, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi DBaK. Even though they claim to be "non-classical", they do perform some contemporary classical music, e.g. John Cage, Vangelis, etc.. That article was an appalling piece of blatant advertising. I have removed it, along with their plug for a tour later this year. The Chronology of live performances and collaborations section is largely unreferenced and contains multiple non-notable or marginal performances and "collaborations". I have tagged it accordingly. After 7 days, all listings which are unreferenced will be removed. This is an encyclopedia, not the auxiliary website for Heritage Orchestra or free storage for their archives. A chronology like that belongs on their official website not here. I have elaborated on these issues at Talk:Heritage Orchestra and cautioned the editor involved. Nevertheless, the article needs more eyes. Voceditenore (talk) 11:07, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks – I just had a quick look and it is a much much better read and feels much more appropriate in terms of its view and our voice. I really appreciate your help. Cheers DBaK (talk) 13:04, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Gee, no reviews. I look forward to that chronology being deleted. - kosboot (talk) 14:46, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
 * The irony of this, kosboot, is that they are quite notable in their niche with multiple articles/reviews in the Financial Times, The Guardian, Daily Telegraph etc.. But they seem to be more interested in promoting themselves than in writing a decent encyclopedia article. Alas, for them, I'm not going to help them. SMirC-crazy.svg Voceditenore (talk) 15:12, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Joseph Flummerfelt
Hello. I was bold and re-created Joseph Flummerfelt after reading his obituary in The New York Times.Zigzig20s (talk) 03:55, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Move?
A move discussion which comcerns naming of classical music compositions is held at Talk:Trois Chansons (Ravel). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:33, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

Odd
Talk:Three Songs, 1926. Wouldn't this in fact be Three songs (John Ireland, 1926) In ictu oculi (talk) 09:09, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Likewise Three Songs, 1926, Two Songs, 1916, Two Songs, 1917–18, Two Songs, 1920, Two Songs, 1928 it's as if John Ireland is the world's only song composer. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:12, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

General question
The question is how to treat titles that are the combination of a numeral and a generic name. Trois Chansons (or 3 Chansons) is only one example. IMSLP has standardized names: numeral in digits, name, + in brackets composer's surname and full given name. While I don't support to adopt that (imagine Bach cantatas with the added long name of the composer), I think to have no dab is bad in these cases. We have 3 Songs and Four Songs for a good reason. (No idea why different style.) - For the above, it could be Three Songs (Ireland, 1926), and perhaps Three Songs (Ireland) for the one people will think of first, if one of them is, - compare Ave Maria (Bruckner), although he set it three times, and all have articles. - We should capitalize what follows the numeral, therefore we have Trois Chansons (Ravel (not Trois chansons). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:23, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I like that naming convention. I would also suggest moving 3 Songs to Three Songs. I thought it was the manual of style to write out any numbers less than ten.  on camera  10:17, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I have not particular preference, but something like Three Songs (composer name, year) would seem to be most Wikipedia consistent In ictu oculi (talk) 13:28, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
 * It should certainly be Three Songs (Ireland) (as '1926' is not part of the title), and I am going to be WP:BOLD and move it there.--Smerus (talk) 17:26, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
 * except that I completely f***** the move, so I'm now going off to down a large vodka......--Smerus (talk) 17:36, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Is that a case for Graham who does all page moves I can't handle (but will be asleep now? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:06, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Do I understand it right: the three entries from the present dab page "Three Songs (Ireland)" should go to "3 Songs" which should go to "Three Songs", and "Three Songs, 1926" should replace the present dab page? And care should be taken, that links work as planned even after the moves? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:09, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
 * It all seems good to be now. Graham 87 04:35, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Nope, what we now have is had was Three Songs (Ireland) being a redirect to Three Songs, which is wrong. What we ought to have is Three Songs (Ireland) being the main article, and Three Songs (1926) being a redirect to Three Songs (Ireland). And then a dismabig entry for Three Songs (Ireland) in Three Songs. But as I am so cack-handed I had better not venture on this myself.--Smerus (talk) 08:28, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
 * In fact I took my courage in both hands and have done the deed. Also put headers in all 3 articles about Ireland's sets of 3 songs.--Smerus (talk) 08:40, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

Monumentum pro Gesualdo
Monumentum pro Gesualdo is, of course, a work by Stravinsky. I was rather surprised, therefore, to find that our article Monumentum pro Gesualdo is almost entirely about a Balanchine ballet and barely mentions the Stravinsky work that it is based on. How should this be redressed? Separate articles? If so, the Stravinsky should surely be at the base name. Or is it better to try to cover both in one article? --Deskford (talk) 22:57, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Mainly because two or three editors added fucktons of cruft some years ago and no one cared, because ballet. ♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (talk) 05:01, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Notability/sourcing advice?
Hi, I was hoping to write a short article for Richard Einhorn's (1999) six-movement cantata "A Carnival of Miracles", but I myself was not able to find that many sources, namely: Einhorn's personal website, an interview with Einhorn , the American Record Guide review of a CD which included a performance of this work , and the notes for said CD from the radio station which produced it. It seems enough to write a short article, but I'm pretty sure they're not enough to demonstrate notability. Classical music isn't really my wheelhouse, so I would greatly appreciate if you knew of any ideas for sources I may have overlooked or if you think I'm being overly conservative with my view that what I've found doesn't demonstrate notability. I've gathered my findings on Talk:Richard Einhorn but figured I'd ask in a hopefully more-viewed area before I prepare to walk away from the idea of writing this article altogether.

Thanks for any advice and help. Umimmak (talk) 04:47, 26 March 2019 (UTC)


 * It seems like a relatively new composition in comparison to many classical music topics here on Wikipedia. Sometimes there's just not a lot information available at this time. I looked on jstor and didn't see anything, but maybe there's a listed partner on Wikipedia's library that you can apply for free access to find something more substantial?  on camera  16:25, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Umimmak, I'm not sure they are enough to clearly demonstrate notability. Wikipedia is getting mighty fussy about these things now. Only the last two are independent sources. I don't have access to the American Record Guide review of the CD which also included works by 6 other composers, but it would have had to devote a considerable amount of space specifically to A Carnival of Miracles. Apart from the CD, has it ever been performed in the concert hall? Another problem is that the Richard Einhorn article is itself very short on biographical information and very poorly referenced. I'm wondering if it might not be better to expand and improve that article, and include a separate section that discusses his concert works in some detail, e.g. A Carnival of Miracles. At present they are simply listed in a bulleted list devoid of dates and reviews. Alternative, you could take a chance and make a separate article. If it got taken to AfD, the worst that could happen would be that the material would merged into Richard Einhorn. Voceditenore (talk) 17:18, 26 March 2019 (UTC)


 * thanks for your replies. This is all the ARG says about the work: Then comes a major work by Richard Einhorn, a six-movement cantata lasting well over half an hour performed by the excellent Anonymous 4 accompanied by two cellos. This is a fascinating work employing several languages. There are no texts or translations, only a website where you may find the words, all of which deal with freedom. That takes the bloom off the production, reminding me of another reason why I stopped listening to John Schaefer's program: he tends to be more involved with music's sound than its substance. Nowhere in his chatty notes is Einhorn's work given its due as an important composition; it is by far the most extended and unusual piece here. It is also beautifully performed, with impressive feats of derring-do from both singers and cellists. But we need those texts! It has been performed in concert, but I only have been able to find brief mentionings in paper listing about performances, no serious reviews. I'm less familiar with Einhorn the person or even the rest of his oeuvre, but maybe I'll come back to this later and properly expand the article. I was also thinking about also writing a short article instead for the album The WNYC Commissions, Volume One, but can find even less information about that. Anyway, I figured what was out there was not enough for a safe bet for an article, so thank you both for giving your additional opinions and confirming this. Maybe in a few years there will be more information or I'll feel more gutsy about trying to rewrite the article on Einhorn. Umimmak (talk) 19:23, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Billboard "Classical Crossover Albums" charts?
Hi, Are any of you familiar with Billboard Classical Crossover Albums chart? I asked about this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Albums, but it seems like people more familiar with classical music might also be better to help me. I think an album whose article I'm writing, Anthony de Mare's (2015) Liaisons: Re-Imagining Sondheim from the Piano, charted, but I can't really find any sources about this chart, compared to say, the Top Classical Albums chart.

In trying to find information about this, I was only able to find a few pages labeled "Artist Index" for Billboard, but they seemed to provide the chart information. The key at the top of the page said CX (Classical Crossover), and the ones I was able to find said: Oct 17 2015 "Anthony de Mare: CX 11"; Oct 24 2015; "Anthony de Mare: CX 11"; Nov 14 2015 "Anthony de Mare: CX 15". These weeks would match up with the time period it charted on the Top Classical Albums chart which has more information (Oct 17 2015, Oct 24 2015, Oct 31 2015, Nov 14 2015). Are these "artist indexes" valid sources? Why can't I find anything else about the weekly Classical Crossover Albums charts? Help on this would be appreciated, thanks! Umimmak (talk) 22:25, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

De profundis
I once left a question on the talk of Psalm 130, but no answer, so I try here: The article states "This psalm has been frequently set to music, as part of musical settings for the Requiem, especially under its Latin incipit "De profundis". Problem: It's NOT part of the Requiem text, and the list looks more or less copied from Requiem, without sources. Mozart? Not that I'd know. Should we perhaps restrict the list to sourced settings of the psalm? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:22, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Asking again: I suggest to through out all not referenced, unless you protest. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:36, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

A new newsletter directory is out!
A new Newsletter directory has been created to replace the old, out-of-date one. If your WikiProject and its taskforces have newsletters (even inactive ones), or if you know of a missing newsletter (including from sister projects like WikiSpecies), please include it in the directory! The template can be a bit tricky, so if you need help, just post the newsletter on the template's talk page and someone will add it for you.
 * – Sent on behalf of Headbomb. 03:11, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

WikiProject:Musicology?
There's a nice review of Wikipedia in the current issue of the Journal of the American Musicological Society. It encourages musicologists to become involved. I'm wondering if an enticement might be formation of a WikiProject Musicology. Your thoughts? - kosboot (talk) 15:32, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Wedding March (Mendelssohn)
If someone skilled in such things can/want to add an audiofile to this article, it would be a good thing. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:20, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Voices in choir
For a girls' choir, the question came up how to translate the German "gleiche Stimmen", meaning "equal voices", only high voices (sopranos and altos), or only low voices (tenors and basses). Choir was no help, but I learned that there's a big difference between a male choir and a men's choir. A German Knabenchor would then be a male choir, or is a boys's choir the same? Why don't we have an article Girls' choir, and one Women's choir, but category:Girls' and women's choirs? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:45, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

No answer, articles still red links? It looks biased. See Mädchenkantorei Limburg. I believe that the several girls's choirs deserve their own category. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:54, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

A proposal for WikiJournals to become a new sister project
Over the last few years, the WikiJournal User Group has been building and testing a set of peer reviewed academic journals on a mediawiki platform. The main types of articles are:


 * Existing Wikipedia articles submitted for external review and feedback (example)
 * From-scratch articles that, after review, are imported to Wikipedia (example)
 * Original research articles that are not imported to Wikipedia (example)

Proposal: WikiJournals as a new sister project

From a Wikipedian point of view, this is a complementary system to Featured article review, but bridging the gap with external experts, implementing established scholarly practices, and generating citable, doi-linked publications.

Please take a look and support/oppose/comment! T.Shafee(Evo &#38; Evo)talk 11:09, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

New article
Hello all...I just started an article, Hickford's Long Room, about a concert hall in London (1713 - c. 1779) in which a variety of then popular but now classical music was performed. Looking up the name "Hickford's" in Newspapers.com or Newspaperarchive.com brings up articles from the era, with the names of singers and instrumentalist performers. At a glance, I would say there is potential to bring out some of these early performers and give them a modern presence in the new article. I will add some myself, but there are a lot of names to research. Welcome to anyone.Jacqke (talk) 14:10, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi
Dear fellow members of WikiProject Classical music, I just want to inform you that i have joined your project. If you ask, i am learning here in Greece in a conservatoire piano, violin and flute (i am in a relatively high class on the 2 first), so i have a good background in classical music. Because i am new in Wikipedia, i will try doing simple and middle-difficulty things in the start. I hope i will prove useful. Best regards, Enivak (talk) 13:41, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Dear, welcome to WP:CM! Should any questions arise during your editing experience here, please don't hesitate to leave a message either here or on my talk page Zingarese  talk  ·  contribs  13:46, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks! i will try my best! Enivak (talk) 13:48, 5 July 2019 (UTC)