Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College football/Archive-Apr2009

Request help editing college football infobox
Hi everyone, I'm trying to add a section in the infobox to include a diagram of the current team uniform, similar to those found on any NFL franchise article. I've added the template from the NFL franchise infobox to the college football infobox, currently as invisible text, and have been tinkering with it, but can't seem to make it work. If anyone can help me out, I'd appreciate it.CH52584 (talk) 02:07, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I responded on the talk page of the template. Cardsplayer4life (talk) 05:41, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

GA review: Talk:Crab_Bowl
I need further clarification regarding this article title. Everyone from this project is invited to comment. Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 00:08, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Template:College Football All-America Teams
We've made a lot of progress in filling in the historic All-America Teams dating back to the 19th Century. Still a few more to go. The lists for each year show a number of consensus All-American players who do not even have stubs. I've been creating articles on some as time permits, and encourage anyone else with time available to work on this as well. Template below. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cbl62 (talk • contribs)


 * Great job, Cbl62. I've noticed your excellent ongoing work at DYK and on these articles a while back. If you could do us one favor, I think it would make things easier for the project; Do you think you can add the project template to the talk pages of the new articles you create that are related to college football? This alerts us to their existence and helps us find, read, sort, and, if something drastic happens, like a prod or AFD, let's us all know. Strikehold (talk) 23:14, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Will do. I've generally done that with my college football bio articles. But I've been cranking out the AA team articles pretty fast and overlooked it. Cbl62 (talk) 07:28, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Here's a sampling of consensus All-American players who still need articles: Johnny Treadwell (1962, Texas), Danny LaRose (1960, Missouri), Dan Lanphear (1959, Wisconsin), John Guzik (1958, Pittsburgh), George Deiderich (1958, Vanderbilt), Al Ecuyer (1957, Notre Dame), John Witte (1956, Oregon State), Bo Bolinger (1955, Oklahoma), Jack Ellena (1954, UCLA), Don Dohoney (1953, Michigan State), Crawford Mims (1953, Mississippi), Bernie Flowers (1952, Purdue), Elmer Wilhoite (1952, Southern California), Dick Hightower (1951, Southern Methodist), Johnny Karras (1951, Illinois), Dan Foldberg (1950, Army), Burr Baldwin (1946, UCLA), Holt Rast (1941, Alabama), Ray Frankowski (1941, Washington), Esco Sarkkinen (1939, Ohio State), John Schiechl (1939, Santa Clara), Chuck Sweeney (1937, Notre Dame), Andy Bershak (1937, North Carolina), Tony Matisi (1937, Pittsburgh), Leroy Monsky (1937, Alabama), Averell Daniell (1936, Pittsburgh), Larry Lutz (1935, California), J.C. Wetsel (1935, Southern Methodist).
 * I wonder if all of the relevant yearly All-American articles should be cross-linked with the same year's football season? (perhaps as a new section added to the relevant articles or something?) Cardsplayer4life (talk) 05:31, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * They should, and I've been doing on some, but irregularly. I'll work at conforming them so that they all cross-reference each other.  Cbl62 (talk) 16:00, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Template:Rivals (coach)
Any input into this template? Contemplating expanding it to teams or players, depending on feedback. – LATICS   talk  07:53, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Jim Brandstatter
Hi where can I find old player statistics? The guy in my article played for Michigan from 1969-1971. Is there a site with his stats? Please help me improve this article. Thanks. TomCat4680 (talk) 06:17, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * You should be able to find Brandstatter's college stats here: http://stats.ath.umich.edu/football/footstart.php Cbl62 (talk) 21:08, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Great. Thanks. That only says 1971 stats though, he played from 1969-71 didn't he? Detroit Free Press from November interview said so. TomCat4680 (talk) 23:37, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Brandstatter only played as a starter in 1971. Not sure he had any stats in prior years. Cbl62 (talk) 01:45, 19 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Please verify the above and add any and all stats from his playing career (I only found them for 1 game vs Indiana in 1971 with the above link, there must be more than that, he said he played in the Michigan State game in 1971 in his Detroit Free Press interview from Novemember '07), and possibly a college football player infobox (is there one for players that didn't go pro?). I think his high school stats are notable too since he was heavily recruited by Michigan (he said so himself in the same article). Thanks. P.S. I also put in an expert in college football attention request, please help if you can. Thanks. TomCat4680 (talk) 21:26, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * There's no reason to believe the school's database is inaccurate. Bear in mind that Brandstatter was an offensive tackle.  Offensive tackles aren't likely to accumulate a lot of tackles, sacks, rushing yards, receiving yards, or any of the other stats that are logged in the database. Cbl62 (talk) 08:12, 20 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Well I found a site that says he made the all Big Ten team in his senior year. and another of the Michigan yearbook with his picture during a game (class of 1972, image number 325: here) but it wants me to buy a subscription. I don't have a credit card though. Help? TomCat4680 (talk) 10:59, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

P.S. can someone fix Template:Infobox CollegeFootballPlayer so it doesn't show gobly goop next to his position? TomCat4680 (talk) 12:40, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Streamlining reassments
Currently, there is a list of articles to be reassessed at WikiProject College football/Assessment. This system requires that an editor put the article in this list, and that somebody else assess the article and modify the list to reflect the reassessment. In my opinion, there is a better way to do this.

Over at WP:UTSH, we have a hook/note in the project banner that allows you to flag an article for reassessment, simply by setting a parameter on the talk page "reassess=yes". This puts the article in a category. For example, on WP:UTSH, that category is Category:U.S. Roads project articles needing reassessment. We could do something similar here, like Category:College football articles needing reassessment. Then, to request an assessment, simply set "reassess=yes" to flag it, and then an editor can assess the article, leave a comment, and clear the reassessment flag. Might be an easier way to keep the list clean, and would only require a minor edit to the banner template. What do you guys think?

PS: I've demoed a version of the updated banner and a test case in the sandbox. DeFaultRyan 15:51, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Request help on format of Georgia Bulldogs football
I am not sure if this is the right place to ask for help, since it doesn't deal with content, but since it is a college football page, I will ask here. On Georgia Bulldogs football I have noticed two formatting problems. The first is that the main infobox is overlapping some of the introduction. The other is that the infobox and/or images has created a large gap in the first section (History). I thought about tinkering with it, but I would just be wasting my time. If anyone could help, please do. If you think I should take this request to a more general help page, let me know. Thanks! Brinkley32 (talk) 15:05, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * It appears to be fine for me. It may either be your screen/browser or it may have already been fixed. – LATICS   talk  08:37, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject College football/DYK
I've created a project sub-page showing college football related hooks that have been featured on the Main Page as part of the "Did you know..." feature. It's at: WikiProject College football/DYK. Any thoughts on how to improve it or link it to other project pages/templates? Cbl62 (talk) 06:34, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and updated the DYK feature on Portal:College football/Did you know with new content and linked it to the full archive. Other suggestions? Cbl62 (talk) 21:25, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Expert quotes on player articles
There is an ongoing dispute between User:Yankees10 and me, so I'm asking you guys for some additional opionions. Do you think it is useful to have certain quotes (by renowned football experts) highlighted via Template:Cquote in players' articles, like here or here? I definitely think it is, but Yankees10 dissents. So what do you think? --bender235 (talk) 21:15, 25 April 2009 (UTC)


 * You should probably leave this at WP:NFL because Curry is in the NFL now and we could get more opinions if it is two places.--Yankees10 21:24, 25 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Meaningless quote, and Jim Schwartz is no football expert.-- Giants27 T/  C  23:42, 25 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Jim Schwartz isn't a football expert? I guess the 2008 Titans going 13-3 was a fluke then? TomCat4680 (talk) 08:56, 26 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Just because your team goes 13-3 doesnt mean your an expert, but he is def. credible.--Yankees10 13:42, 26 April 2009 (UTC)


 * A 17-year NFL coaching career is usually tantamount to a certain level of football expertise, wouldn't you say? --bender235 (talk) 21:52, 26 April 2009 (UTC)


 * It's not about that particular quote (and that one is definitely not meaningsless, btw), but anyway if a coach with a 17-year NFL career isn't considered an "expert" in football, who is? --bender235 (talk) 00:27, 26 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Quotes of this type make an article much more interesting, in my opinion.Cbl62 (talk) 00:45, 26 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree, leave them in. TomCat4680 (talk) 09:01, 26 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I put a quote from Herm Edwards in Brodie Croyle's article, mainly because it foreshadowed how much of a failure he was for the Chiefs organization. The quote is something like "Croyle is going to be a great player in our organization." I know this is unreleated, but I think putting quotes in the article make them better, even if Jim Schwartz passed on drafting Aaron Curry, he can still have an opinion. '' conman33 (. . .talk)  19:28, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

What exactly makes this quote any more important than any other quote? And again you should leave this at WP:NFL considering Aaron Curry is no longer a college football player--Yankees10 13:39, 26 April 2009 (UTC)


 * He had a notable college football career, and is thus within the area of concern for this project as well as the NFL, North Carolina, Biography, or whatever else project determines that he is within their jurisdiction. It is up to the individual projects to determine their own criteria. Strikehold (talk) 14:29, 26 April 2009 (UTC)


 * If a long time NFL coach is considering drafting you with a top 10 pick in the first round, that's pretty notable. Leave it in! TomCat4680 (talk) 07:45, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

disruptive IP editor
Could an admin do something to halt disruptive edits by an IP user, starting 157.182.224.###. The editor has repeatedly edited articles that link to WVU Mountaineers football articles – see the following links with final IP #s included: here (.216), here (.125), here (.120), and here (.88). The edits change proper formatting and wikilinking & references to WVU-related articles into ones that this user apparently prefers. I've had to revert them increasingly on Pitt articles in the last few weeks. JohnnyPolo24 (talk) 16:20, 27 April 2009 (UTC)


 * You should likely report it at the Administrator intervention against vandalism. At least, that is the best I can come up with reading over the Wikipedia vandalism page. Cardsplayer4life (talk) 05:18, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Merge discussion of Michigan stat lists
See Talk:Lists of Michigan Wolverines football passing leaders. Dabomb87 (talk) 00:01, 29 April 2009 (UTC)