Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College football/Archive-Aug2006

Proposed policy clarification

 * I have proposed a policy clarification on use of sports team logos at Wikipedia_talk:Logos. Johntex\talk 18:33, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
 * New wording now proposed at: Wikipedia_talk:Logos - Johntex\talk 17:59, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Contest
Would anyone be interested in a college football pickem contest for the project? We could use the Yahoo! version unless someone knows of another version that is good/better. -- MECU ≈ talk 13:59, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm in. That sounds like fun. Z4ns4tsu 14:55, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Good Articles
I was going through some of the unassessed college football articles and assessing them and I found several that would be ready for a good article nomination with only the slightest of effort. Whether it be some prose alterations, more thorough citation, slight structure changes, etc. It was times like that that I wished the quality rankings went Stub>Start>B>A>GA>FA. But, they don't. I would've rated the article A if I felt it was almost ready for GA. However, I had to rank it B. So there are some Bs that are ready for GA and some Bs that are not (but were still better than Start). So, I think we should start going through the B category and getting those ready for GA nomination.--NMajdan &bull;talk 15:58, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Here are a couple I was referring to:
 * Mack Brown: Needs citations; copyedit
 * Texas Longhorn Athletics: Copyedit
 * Pete Carroll: Copyedit; inline citations
 * Notre Dame Fighting Irish football: Citations; copyedit
 * Ohio State Buckeyes football: Fix citations; copyedit; some structural changes


 * That's most of them, I believe. And I know, I know, but nearly every article needs a good copyedit.--NMajdan &bull;talk 17:17, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm the creator and so far prime mover for the Ohio State article. In the case of citations I wonder if you might not mean "reduce the number" since I'm at fifty now with half of the history subarticle to go. Speaking of which, when I'm done I'm going to write a synopsis/referral and make that segment a main article "History of Ohio State Buckeyes football". Also I may do the same for the Buckeye MVP list and NFL list. I did not contribute the MVP list but somebody went to considerable effort and I've left it alone. That will reduce the overall article to a readable size and shape. Any other suggestions please let me know at my talk page. I started this article to present facts to the reader needing information without being a comic book. Usertalk Buckboard.
 * I took another look at the citations, and I guess I just looked at them wrong. I saw a lot of the Park, p3 and didn't look closely enough to see that Park book was referenced earlier. When I cite books, I typically don't cite the exact page so you're more thorough than I. Frankly, I don't see the need for a whole separate article for the History of OSU football unless you plan on getting into some serious length. I have a pretty detailed history of Oklahoma football on the main Oklahoma Sooners football page, but that is your preference so make your own judgment call on that one. Nevertheless, your article looks great and not much more effort is needed to get it to GA. However, I strongly urge you to finish whatever changes you make before applying for GA as they like to see stability in a page and having many large edits won't help.--NMajdan &bull;talk 19:48, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I'll bring it up for discussion before making a separate main article (I've had it done to me for sections of history articles that got pretty lengthy). As for any GA nomination, I'll leave that to other more objective members than myself. Thanx for all the advice.--Buckboard 13:37, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

The 2005 Texas Longhorn football team article already has a list of things that need to be done to get it to GA from a previous failed GA nomination. I may take a look at this next week unless somebody beats me to it.--NMajdan &bull;talk 15:35, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Team Userboxes
I've noticed a trend recently of some admins deleting user boxes. This has usually been addressed by one user taking on the task of putting the german solution into effect in their own userspace. Do we want to head off the possibility of these boxes being deleted and go ahead and implement TGS now? If so, I'll get some space set up, but I'll need help moving all of the boxes and getting redirects put into place. Thoughts? z4ns4tsu \talk 16:40, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Definately should be done. Put it on the todo as well. Perhaps we could put it under the Project? If not, Z4's userspace is as good as any, as long as we keep them all in one spot. MECU ≈ talk 17:21, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok, I created the archive page here. There are short instructions there, but the general idea is to use the Move function to move the page with its history to the new location.  Make sure to leave a redirect so that you don't break current pages.  After you move the box to its own page (i.e. to User:Z4ns4tsu/Userboxes/NCAA-Oklahoma) add the box and a link to the archive page.  Here's an example of how it should look when it's finished.  z4ns4tsu  \talk 17:57, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

I lost my cowbell userbox already. I consider it vandalism, pure and simple, and admin abuse, no matter what the rules say, but what can one do and no big deal. My Buckeye userbox is another matter. Its sole purpose is to let another with the same interest know they can call on me for assistance. However, I'm fuzzy on the whole German solution concept here despite reading TGS and this discussion ad nauseum. Be patient and walk me through this. What does my user page wind up looking like? Does the box disappear or what? Usertalk: Buckboard --Buckboard 19:44, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject College football/Team Articles
I have created WikiProject College football/Team Articles to facilitate the creation of team articles and to coordinate acquiring photos. I went on and put basketball and football on here just as a matter of convenience (so much of the information is duplicated) although once the table is complete, I can easily run a macro to split off the basketball data into its own page.

There are two things I would like to accomplish with it:
 * 1) This page gives us a master list of articles where we are missing athletics, mascot, football, or basketball articles.
 * 2) It shows us areas where we need to work on finding free photos.  The football season is coming up. Please, if you attend games, bring your camera.  If you don't attend games, check out message boards after games.  Lots of people will upload their own photos and, if asked, would be willing to release them under the GFDL.  Heck, some of them may even become regular contributors.  It's important to remember, though, to make sure that the photos they are posting are their own (not media, not something they found on someone else's message board) and that they agree to release the image under the GFDL (or another free license), not just give permission for it to be "used on Wikipedia".

Please feel free to help fill out the table. I think we ought to have redlinked articles where none exists - just make sure that it doesn't exist under another name. (For example, there might be a "Virginia Tech Hokies" article or a "Virginia Tech athletics" article.) BigDT 19:11, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I see the value of this, but some of it is duplicated from the Master Team Table. Would you be opponsed from removing all the duplicated info (school link (leave the name), football article, athletics article). There was opposition from putting too much info onto one table so that it got too big to handle, and this this duplicated info might qualify. MECU ≈ talk 21:42, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I think the school link is helpful ... I'll combine "school (athletics)" into one column. I've eliminated some of the duplicated information. BigDT 22:05, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Comments on worklist
I finally got a new feature working on the WikiProject template: WikiProject College football. As many of you have noticed, on the Wikiproject sidebar there are two new links: Worklist and Log. The Log shows changes to the class and importance rankings as defined in the template above. The worklist shows all articles with that template and what the class and importance ranking are. Now, we have a way of including comments in that worklist so we can better track what needs to be done to get that article to the next classification whether it be B, Good Article or Featured Article. I've added a snippet of code to the WikiProject template that takes you to the /Comments subpage of an article's talk page. Whatever is included in that subpage will be shown in the worklist, so please keep this list short. The more general comments should be included here with more specific instructions on the talk page (such as a to-do list). For instance, there are comments on the sub page of the Vince Young article (as soon here: Talk:Vince Young/Comments) and those comments can be seen on the worklist.--NMajdan &bull;talk 18:10, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

1998 Vols
Any chance on an article for them? They were national champions after all. I feel that if the Sooners get an article for their 2006 season (which hasn't even started!) the Vols National Championship team certainly deserve one. Dlong 01:57, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Be bold, create one. Creating new articles is lower on our priority list right now but feel free to tackle this one yourself. Take a look at the template here to get started.--NMajdan &bull;talk 02:02, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Critical Pages needing work
College Football All-America Team and Bowl game are rated stubs and Top priority. In the absense of a collaboration of the month, I'm saying these two articles need to be improved and upgraded to B-class by the start of the season. So if you have some time, stop in and help update the articles. Thank you. MECU ≈ talk 20:07, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I have an issue with College Football All-America Team being rated top. I'm going to raise this issue on the Assessment page. I feel that this should be rated no higher that High, along with the other football awards like the Heisman Trophy and Bednarik Award.--NMajdan &bull;talk 20:16, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * That's fine. There's still Bowl game that needs work for sure. And both article need work regardless of what they are rated. MECU ≈ talk 21:03, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Add college football news to your user page:
BigDT 05:52, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Rec.sport.football.college
How could the newsgroup that has piles of information about the sport (as well as a ton of other stuff) be deleted as an article? it helped me learn the sport as an Undergrad (egads) 12 years ago or so. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Drjudsjr (talk • contribs) 14:23, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Please remember to take and upload photos at games
Is anyone else going to a game this weekend? Please take photos and upload anything worth using to Commons. Also, please add any photos you take to an appropriate Commons article/gallery. See Commons:Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University, Commons:University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, Commons:Duke University, and Commons:College football for some examples. (If no gallery exists that is appropriate, create one!)

If you don't have a camera or can't make it to games, there's another way you can contribute. After any game, most of the active message boards will have people who went to the game that post photos on the message board. REMEMBER: you can't just use their photo without asking and even if they say, "you can use it on Wikipedia", that's not enough. If someone posts a photo or photos that you feel would be useful, email them, tell them about Wikipedia, ask them if they are actually the author of the photo (remember, it's possible that they are just posting something they found on another message board), and ask them if they would either release the photo into the public domain or release it under the GFDL.

Let's make the most of this football season and get some quality, free, media for our articles. BigDT 14:43, 30 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Very, very good idea. So far my previous game photos have been for stadiums (Aloha Stadium, Metrodome, LaVell Edwards Stadium, FedEx Field (BCA classic) and Rose Bowl Game).  It helps when the visiting fans gets seated in the upper deck :-P ...I'm going down to Arkansas on Satuday, I'll see if I can't get a good picture usable for USC and Arkansas' season pages.  Donald W. Reynolds Razorback Stadium already has a decent photo, I think my seats are in the same spot as that photo so I may not be able to improve on that one.  I'm sure the folks involved here with the project can help make this a "Wikipedia Sports Photo Service" to fill all of these articles with CC or GDLF goodness --Bobak 18:12, 30 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Also, venture out of the WP:CFB scope. Take pictures of the campus and buildings that may be used in articles for the universities (such as this for Oklahoma).--NMajdan &bull;talk 19:59, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Anyone else work on this during the past Week 1? I've gone hog wild (excuse the bad pun). --Bobak 21:18, 6 September 2006 (UTC)