Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College football/Archive-Jun2009

2009 FCS rankings
Since there is already a page for rankings of FBS teams for the upcoming season, I was wondering if we should add a rankings page for the FCS teams as well?Music+mas (talk) 16:04, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

College football on television
This article only lists what conferences television networks are affiliated with through television contracts. I was wondering if it would be better to change this. For example, have sections for each conference and within these sections give more specific and detailed information about the television contracts these conferences have. There's more specific and detailed information would include something like the number of games a certain television network is contracted to broadcast. Or if there is not a set number, the details of the contract could be written down in the sections. I think this would improve the quality of the article. Music+mas (talk) 15:54, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Articles need project tag
I've noticed there are a lot of articles out there that are within the scope of this project, but aren't tagged with the project banner and therefore are off the radar for assessment, improvement, etc. This is especially true for articles on players. I just went through the Category:Boise State Broncos football players and found that a full 33% (15 of 45) of articles weren't tagged.

A partial solution I can think of is to write a script for a bot to search for articles within certain categories (e.g. Category:Boston College Eagles football players) and tag their talk pages with the CFB banner if necessary. I've noticed ListasBot has been doing something similar to a lot of articles lately; taking lifetime information from the mainspace and tagging the talk space with it.

I don't know how to actually write the script to do that, but thought I'd bring it up if someone with the knowhow wanted to give it a shot. Strikehold (talk) 22:46, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't yet know how to do Wikipedia scripting either, but there is a pretty active bot community here, especially when it comes to tasks related to project tagging. I was able to get a bunch of articles auto-assessed a little while back by making a request on the bot request page. My auto-assessment request is archived archived here. Banner tagging requests are pretty common, so you should be able to combine the two into one task. Basically give them a list of categories to sweep and auto-assess. DeFaultRyan 03:53, 6 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the suggestion. I'll put together a list and submit a request. It actually looks like all the categories I can think of that might be relevant are nested under Category:College football, so it should be a pretty simple request... Strikehold (talk) 04:05, 6 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Just watch out for that warning on the request page about recursing subcategories. :) DeFaultRyan 06:13, 8 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I went through all the categories nested in Category:College football, and the only ones I see that need to be excluded are Category:NCAA Division I Football Championship Subdivision conferences and Category:NCAA Division I Football Championship Subdivision conferences. Did you have something else in mind? Strikehold (talk) 08:20, 8 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Nope, not specifically. Just mentioning it. DeFault<b style="color:blue;">Ryan</b> 15:04, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Copyright concern, help?
Hi. The article Ole Miss Rebels football has been identified as a copyright problem and will likely need to be reverted quite some ways if it is not cleaned (or if it cannot be verified that the source text is free for reuse). I am not a good candidate for revising football related articles, I'm afraid, as I am extremely unfamiliar with the sport. Might any of the participants of your project be available to help out? The article has been blanked per process and listed under today's WP:CP listings, which means it does not come ripe for admin closure for 7+1 days. Your assistance would be vastly appreciated. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 15:12, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Sweet! User:Allstarecho cleaned it up and saved the article. Three cheers! <b style="color:red;">De</b><b style="color:green;">Fault</b><b style="color:blue;">Ryan</b> 22:31, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

TCF Bank Stadium GA Sweeps: On Hold
I have reviewed TCF Bank Stadium for GA Sweeps to determine if it still qualifies as a Good Article. In reviewing the article I have found several issues, which I have detailed here. Since the article falls under the scope of this project, I figured you would be interested in contributing to further improve the article. Please comment there to help the article maintain its GA status. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 02:40, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Matt Barkley
This player passed notability already, based off an exception high school career, so that part isn't in question. The problem now is a user, not from the college football project, feels that information on the three-way quarterback battle at USC (national news in the spring) as well as information about the player's personal life (well sourced) should be deleted. I've seen a half-dozen arguments cited, but they aren't strong and it just seems to be a classic case of IDONTLIKEIT, which isn't relevant and assumes no good faith on my part (despite the fact that I've put together GA and FA articles in this topic and plan to keep developing the article). He's now started a discussion on BLP which is not pointing out that CFB has produced GAs like Mark Sanchez, Calvin Johnson and Darren McFadden --and those three either use "early years" or "personal" to address stuff that isn't necessarily football related. I would like to ask any interested WP:CFB participants to voice their opinion either on the Talk page or the BLP page, as this could set an unfortunate precedent for future player-of-note articles. --Bobak (talk) 20:40, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

2010 & other future CFB season articles
An article titled 2010 Auburn Tigers football team has been created. I nominated it for deletion, but the template was removed. I'd like to bring it up here, though, in order to get a greater sampling of thought. These types of future season articles have been shot down in other sports wikiprojects. In WP:WikiProject Football and WP:WikiProject Ice Hockey, it is inappropriate to create a team season article until the previous season for all teams involved in the league/competetion has ended. Isn't that the policy here as well? Would it be more appropriate to create something such as Colorado Buffaloes football (future schedule), although I think this may not be encyclopedic in its current form and need deleted. See WP:INDISCRIMINATE, specifically point #4. I believe that it would be more encyclopedic to delete the 2010 Auburn article and create something such as Future of Auburn Tigers football, where information about coaches' contracts, future scheduling contracts, and other such information could be collected and presented as a proper article, but I'm still not sure if it passes WP:Notability. Thoughts? Knowledge? Ideas? JohnnyPolo24 (talk) 12:01, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Why not add a section in the already existing Auburn Tigers football page entitled "Future Schedules". You could list all upcoming opponents for the next four years or so.  You could also add information such as coaching contracts to the Auburn Tigers football page.  This way you don't have to create a new article.Music+mas (talk) 14:15, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed. This discussion has already occurred here, and while I don't remember the link to it offhand, the conclusion was exactly what you said. Don't create a season page until the previous season has ended, or at the very least, is significantly underway. A 2010 article would be premature at this point. I like Music+mas's idea - move it to the future schedule section of Auburn Tigers football and delete the 2010 article. In the meantime, I'll try to dig up the precedent. <b style="color:red;">De</b><b style="color:green;">Fault</b><b style="color:blue;">Ryan</b> 14:50, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Found it. Articles for deletion/2011 Kansas State Wildcats football team. 2010 is definitely a bit premature at this point. All we have is a schedule, which has a lot of potential for change this far out. Merge the info into the main team page, and delete. <b style="color:red;">De</b><b style="color:green;">Fault</b><b style="color:blue;">Ryan</b> 14:58, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Merged and listed for deletion (Articles for deletion/2010 Auburn Tigers football team). <b style="color:red;">De</b><b style="color:green;">Fault</b><b style="color:blue;">Ryan</b> 15:28, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * You can find some ideas and discussion at WP:CFBSEASON that might help.--Paul McDonald (talk) 16:37, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

College Baseball/MLB
Not quite CFB, but would like thoughts on whether or not to add a "College" field to the MLB Player infobox Corpx (talk) 03:29, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Just a thought (and I'm not super-knowledgable about baseball) I'd think it would be okay, but not all pro baseball players go to college--don't most go right to the minors?--Paul McDonald (talk) 16:36, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

2005 Oklahoma vs. Texas football game GA Sweeps: On Hold
I have reviewed 2005 Oklahoma vs. Texas football game for GA Sweeps to determine if it still qualifies as a Good Article. In reviewing the article I have found several issues, which I have detailed here. Since the article falls under the scope of this project, I figured you would be interested in contributing to further improve the article. Please comment there to help the article maintain its GA status. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 06:19, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

"West Precedent" Update
Hey gang, rember about 9 months ago when we got nailed with all kind of AFDs on head coach articles under something people called the West Precedent? Wanted to post an update--right now, 47% of those deleted have been restored, many have gone through multiple processes and reviews by outside editors and all have been reviewed by the deleting admins!

Want to help with the rest? Check out my user page listing User:Paulmcdonald/deletedcoach where I've got user pages set up and many of the articles have had some significant work on them. Some just need a few more touches and they'll be ready!

But the neat part here is that we now have a serious argument using WP:SNOW that a head coach article should not be deleted. Of those gone through deletion in a huge block, nearly half have been restored--and there's more to come! I'll grant you it's taken a lot of time and research, but that should still carry some serious weight in our AFD discussions and ability to make a case for notability.--Paul McDonald (talk) 16:35, 29 June 2009 (UTC)