Wikipedia talk:WikiProject College football/Archive-Nov2008

Matthew_Stafford_(American_football)
Is it appropriate/necessary to have game-by-game statistical narratives for a college player? -- Zim Zala Bim talk  02:45, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Not in the format that you removed, but if in prose it would certainly be fine, especially with a refs. MECU ≈ talk 02:57, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Major successs
I'd like to report some major success in the West-related deletions. As of the restoration of Wally Bullington after deletion review, just over 25% of those articles deleted have subsequently been restored or merged into existing articles! Many of the coaches have been found to have professional careers and even at least one member of the hall of fame.

Other coach articles have been slightly improved and anyone who would like to assist can navigate to userfied articles here. It's been loads of fun and I've really learned an awful lot about football coaching around the early 1900s!--Paul McDonald (talk) 12:53, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I just got a hold of a copy of “The History of Football at Dickinson College”. It's a really good read.   I was going to help you with the Dickinson College coaches that were deleted but you already restored them.  I have added additional information to B. Russell Murphy.  Over the next month or two I plan to add to the rest of the Dickinson’s coaches.  09er (talk) 01:48, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * That's great! It was fifty bucks for me to order a copy of it!  I'm sure there are lots of coaches that could stand additional information!--Paul McDonald (talk) 01:54, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

some help
can people help me with the Javon Ringer article? I need help on expanding the lead, more suggestions on what to do to help can be found here and the [Wikipedia:Peer review/Automated/November 2008#Javon Ringer|automated peer review page]]. With some help, i think i could get this up to GA standards. - -' The Spook (TALK) (Share the Love with Barnstars) 19:11, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Category
Robert Park, a college football player for Syracuse, later moved to Pennsylvania, where he coached football and was a professor at Geneva College. This edit adds American football players from Pennsylvania: is this considered appropriate? After all, he didn't play football and live in Pennsylvania at the same time. Nyttend (talk) 13:23, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... I'm going with 1) Yeah, it's okay but 2) might start be overusing categories.  Good comment, though--and I might be dead wrong on #1!--Paul McDonald (talk) 13:36, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

New Templates
Hello! I recently created template:FloridaGatorsFootball, and I was wondering what everyone thought of having a template like this for all the teams. It combines the seasons and head coaches templates and adds a bit more links to related pages. In some cases, such as Florida-Florida State rivalry, it could be used in place of template:University of Florida, because it is more specific to the topic. I would like to create one for every team, but would like to ask the Wikiproject first! Richmond96 (talk) 00:08, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I like it, but I'd recommend having it collapsed by default. JKBrooks85 (talk) 01:56, 6 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Good idea. Done. Richmond96 (talk) 02:19, 6 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I kind of had the same idea with Template:Arkansas Razorbacks Football (also Template:Texas A&M Aggies football). They focuses more on the seasons, though. I like the white Florida box, as opposed to bright blue and orange. A big problem with doing one for each team would be that many schools don't have all of their historical season pages. I am working on pages for many schools, but they are time consuming and I don't have the time...  Brandonrush   Woo pig sooie  15:56, 7 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't think it's a valid replacement for the University of Florida template, but for all football related needs I think it's great. Maybe it should be put on the MasterTeamTable page and we have a concentrated effort to replace/update all teams to that style. MECU ≈ talk 02:59, 8 November 2008

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 * What is the MasterTeamTable page? --Richmond96 (talk) 14:55, 9 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Nice work on the Gators infobox. However, I put the link to Florida Gators football coach navbox back on the Master Team Table index as coach boxes are pretty much standardized now. I also think that the coach navboxes should be used in the coaching articles and that the massive all-encompassing football navbox should only be used in the football (team) related articles (I saw that Urban Meyer's article now has the new box and it looks out of place, IMO). Thoughts? Opinions? --Geologik (talk) 01:30, 10 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I think an advantage of using FloridaGatorsFootball on articles like Urban Meyer is that it links to other articles that are not necessarily other coaches, but relevant topics. Say you have just read about Urban's 2006 championship season. With the template, you can go right to that article. Another note is that on Steve Spurrier, instead of having a template for Gators head coaches and Gators starting quarterbacks, there is one that combines the two. This was the purpose of the template, to combine all templates relating to Florida gators Football. --Richmond96 (talk) 01:54, 10 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree with Geologik that this navboxes should not be placed on the coach’s articles. We finally have a standardized navboxes for coaches that are consistent throughout the project.  That being said, a compromise could be on how this situation is handled on the articles about  Michigan coaches.  Michigan also has similar all football program navbox but they use both navboxes on the article about coaches.  They also seam to only put the overall navbox on the important coaches.   Bo Schembechler gets both, while  George Little who coached at Michigan one year, only gets the coaches template. 09er (talk) 16:58, 12 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Not a bad infobox, really. I'd like to see more of these, to be honest. I created one several weeks ago for Alabama... Alabama Crimson Tide football. I agree, however, that you really shouldn't add them to coaches' articles. I did, however, add this one to Bear Bryant's ... just since he's a major figure for the team. – LATICS   talk  00:11, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

What about Quarterbacks? Should this be used or the QB navbox? ~ Richmond 96  t  •  c   13:44, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Another Main Pager!
A fact from Francis Dunn appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know? column on November 21, 2008.--Paul McDonald (talk) 00:23, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Please Help
Alright, Rich Rodriguez did an interview with Michigan Today which is an online magazine for alumni of the University of Michigan. It was part of a big feature article by John Bacon, a lecturer at Michigan who has written for Time, ESPN, Sports Illustrated and a best selling book about Bo Schebemchler. The article can be found here:. In it, Bacon makes the out of left field assertion that Rodriguez was born in Chicago. Rodriguez then discusses moving to West Virginia in the second grade. Now, I updated his article with this as this is a reputable source and the words are coming from his own mouth, but it's contantly (poorly) changed whenever I do, always by new accounts who provide no rationale. Can anyone here offer help/advice. --MichiganCharms (talk) 12:12, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Edit war brewing on Egg Bowl
Hi everyone, I have been having a problem with an anon on the Egg Bowl article. He is insisting that the article only cover games from 1927 to present (from the year the game was officially called the "Egg Bowl"), however, that is unusual to say the least, considering the Apple Cup, Battle for the Iron Skillet, Iron Bowl, Crab Bowl, etc, all cover the entire series.

I have been trying to open a line of dialogue on the discussion page with him, but he has not done so. I've also tried opening on a dialogue on his talk page, but he blanks it every time I write something there. No other editors have interjected, and now it's turning into an edit war, and I'd appreciate others' opinions. Thanks! CH52584 (talk) 04:07, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * I say it depends on the series. I'll pimp out one of my own articles: Battle for the Old Mountain Jug. The series started in 1932, the Jug came along in 1976. The infobox shows the winner since 1976, however, I've included the entire series in the games results section with a break when the Jug was introduced. If the "Golden Egg" is an actual trophy I see nothing wrong with adopting the same style. And looking at the edit history, you're both close to getting blocked for 3RR. --Geologik (talk) 04:18, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Figures on the size of NCAA football versus other Professional leagues
I've noticed that we often find AFDs started by well-meaning editors from outside the US who assume that a college sports league (and its key players) must not be all that notable because its not a professional league. The confusion is magnified by the existence of the NFL. What they don't realize is, unlike CFL or Arena, college football is often the other major league other than the NFL. In order to create some factual ammunition for disputes over D-I FBS (top-level) college football, I found the following data from credible sources that I'd like to share so that others can use it to educate user when needed: I hope these figures will help, and if anyone can find more numbers to throw in --please do! --Bobak (talk) 16:25, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * A top-level football school make major revenue: Texas ($60.9 million), Michigan ($50.4 million), Florida ($48.2 million), etc.
 * The 44 schools from BCS conferences that played in a bowl game in 2007 had combined revenue of $1.3 billion.
 * The Euroleague (professional European basketball) has a revenue of less than one hundred million.
 * Looking at German soccer, the top-league Bundesliga had 2006/07 revenues of €1.3 billion ($1.7b).
 * Looking at UK soccer: While top-level Premier League is obviously a major league with exceptionally high revenue (€2.2 billion ($2.8b)), The Championship clubs' revenues in 2005/6 were £318m ($470m) at an average of £13m ($20m) per club (League One for the same year totaled £102m, League Two £61m).
 * Stepping slightly away from football, the NCAA has a $6.2 billion, 11-year media contract.


 * Nielson TV ratings are another interesting comparison:
 * 14.4 - 2008 NCAA Football Championship game
 * 17.4 - 2007 NCAA Football Championship game
 * 8.4 - 2008 MLB World Series avg rating
 * 10.4 - 2008 NBA Finals Game One
 * Ryan2845 (talk) 16:45, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Comment I'd say that these are prime candidates to incorporate into WP:CFBAMATEUR
 * Excellent points. JKBrooks85 (talk) 04:49, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Major Notability Discussion
ATTENTION WP:ATHLETE is being re-written. There is a very big discussion here. The re-writing is focusing mainly on amateur athletes. You may well wish to participate.--Paul McDonald (talk) 16:46, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Dave Meggyesy
The Dave Meggyesy article that I started needs some help. I can find lots about his book and the related controversy, but almost nothing about his college and NFL careers. The pro football databases do not have defensive statistics for the 1960s, except for the number of games played. There are a couple of Google News hits that say he was an All-American at Syracuse, but I'd have to pay for an article in order to see the details--such as whose list he was on. If anybody has access to sources of Meggyesy's performance at St. Louis or at Syracuse, please add it to the infobox or start a new section. The article still seems stubbish for the NFL and college football projects, although I classified it as at Start for WP:BIO. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hjal (talk • contribs) 12:30, November 12, 2008