Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Computer Security/Archive 1

Tagging
Tagging has begun today, I am removing WP:Malware and CCISTF tags, and replacing them with ours. For the moment, we will be taking on the responsibilities of both. Sephiroth storm (talk) 14:53, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Before we start taking on these tasks, we should probably just call on a bot to move them all. Ask Tinu Cherian .. he has the bot for his account to take care of it. blurpeace (talk - contributions) 19:14, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Weird errors
I see this weird message all over the project's main page: UNIQ77d749371f048a99-h-1--QINU

Either there was a vandal attack or something is wrong with your codes. --Tyw7 (Talk • Contributions)   Changing the world one edit at a time! 07:56, 10 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Don't ask me why or how, but it's the inclusion of the Special:RecentChangesLinked template that's causing it. --DanielPharos (talk) 11:33, 10 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Then remove it! Tyw7 (Talk • Contributions)   Changing the world one edit at a time! 13:18, 10 January 2010 (UTC)


 * But the recent changes section is such a nice thing to have! Plus, it shouldn't be causing these kinds of problems, thus I think something deeper in the code must be wrong, something with the recent changes page itself. I suspect other wikiprojects that use this are also having trouble with it, and it will be fixed soon. So simply removing it wouldn't be a good solution. Plus, it worked fine in the past, and nothing has changed on "our end". --DanielPharos (talk) 13:44, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I have Recent changes on my WIkiProject. However, there is no code showing up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Software --Tyw7  (Talk • Contributions)   Changing the world one edit at a time! 15:32, 10 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Could have something to do with this: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/QINU_fix, beyond my area of expertise. Unless we have any code monkey's here, might need to ask on the helpdesk or ask an admin for assistance. Sephiroth storm (talk)


 * Sephiroth, why did you change the Recent Changes list to the Software one? Also, I don't think we have a code-monkey around, and this seems to be more wide-spread that just this project. I guess somebody should notify the helpdesk/admins. --DanielPharos (talk) 12:30, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

There is an easy fix. Remove all ==/== and ===/=== codes. Replace ==/== with  text

and ===/=== with text, which seems to produce the same affect without the error codes. --Tyw7 (Talk • Contributions)   Changing the world one edit at a time! 14:46, 13 January 2010 (UTC)


 * VPTech suggested it: Sephiroth storm (talk) 18:36, 13 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I changed to another (slightly less relevant) Recent Changes page, fixing the problem. --DanielPharos (talk) 21:46, 15 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Another way to fix this problem is if you put the templete on a double transclusion. For example transcluding the troblesome transclusion on a page and transluding that page. --Tyw7  (Talk • Contributions)   Changing the world one edit at a time! 03:51, 17 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Either I've did it wrong, or it didn't work. Anyways, I've commented out the Recent Changes part. I guess we'll have to wait till it works properly again. --DanielPharos (talk) 12:19, 17 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I could have sworn this was fixed. Sephiroth storm (talk) 00:01, 20 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Me too. I put it back in about two days ago, and it seemed to work. But now it's broken again. *sigh* Taking it out again... --DanielPharos (talk) 11:01, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject SOftware
Anybody interested in taking WikiProject Software. We need active users!? --Tyw7 (Talk • Contributions)   Changing the world one edit at a time! 15:33, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * What do you mean taking it? Sephiroth storm (talk) 17:55, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I mean is that any body is interested to join WikiProject Software? --Tyw7 (Talk • Contributions)   Changing the world one edit at a time! 14:31, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Assistance requested
Shon Harris is up for deletion. I would like some assistance in improving the article. Difficulty is finding third party references. Most hits are either articles by her, or book listings. Sephiroth storm (talk) 14:46, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

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List of BLPs tagges as unreferenced in your WikiProject
From here:


 * Andy_Müller-Maguhn: People_associated_with_computer_security; All_unreferenced_BLPs
 * Dave_Kleiman: People_associated_with_computer_security; All_unreferenced_BLPs
 * Eric_Blossom: People_associated_with_computer_security; All_unreferenced_BLPs
 * Evgeniy_Gabrilovich: People_associated_with_computer_security; All_unreferenced_BLPs
 * Gary_McGraw: People_associated_with_computer_security; All_unreferenced_BLPs
 * Huyremy: People_associated_with_computer_security; All_unreferenced_BLPs
 * Kurt_Baumgarten: People_associated_with_computer_security; All_unreferenced_BLPs
 * Loke_Yeng_Hoe: People_associated_with_computer_security; All_unreferenced_BLPs
 * Mental_Driller: People_associated_with_computer_security; All_unreferenced_BLPs
 * Simon_Johnson_(security_expert): People_associated_with_computer_security; All_unreferenced_BLPs
 * Steven_M._Bellovin: People_associated_with_computer_security; All_unreferenced_BLPs
 * Virgil_D._Gligor: People_associated_with_computer_security; All_unreferenced_BLPs

Regards. Pcap ping  04:37, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Unreferenced living people articles bot
Okip  01:12, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Help
I can't figure out how to add my name to that little list thingy. S*T*A*R*B*O*X (talk) 00:51, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

NVM, I did it. S*T*A*R*B*O*X (talk) 00:53, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Possible resource
I am the maintainer of the Archive of Information Assurance website ( http://iaarchive.fi .org and .info also forward to it) and I have on that site a collect of documents on applying TCSEC within a database enviroment (see books -> Trusted DBMS Interpretation) This is one of many collections of papers I am in the process of scanning and otherwise getting ready for publication. I think that updating at least the TCSEC pages with some examples of TCSEC applied to a complex system such as this might be of use, but I honestly am not a writer, and I have no clue what is the best way to do that. I had enough trouble going through and fixing all the dead rainbow series links, and adding links for all of my collection that was not there. (I'd be best at collecting the information no one else seems to know how to, and providing a critical mind for analysis of system design. I know many of the documents on my site are not great quality, there are a lot of scanning artifacts and missing OCR, but I am working to improve upon it.)Section9 Bateau (talk) 19:01, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Kane karu
This is to notify members of this WikiProject, within which scope this article falls, that Kane karu, has been listed for deletion. Editors interested in the deletion discussion, are invited to participate by adding your comments at Articles for deletion/. Thank you. Empty Buffer (talk) 21:21, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Removed from wikiproject due to lack of relevance. Thanks for pointing this page out. (Also, I voted.) --DanielPharos (talk) 23:41, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Project scope
I was thinking about attaching myself to this project, but wanted to check the scope. Some people view security as being mostly issues of malware and viruses. Others might view it as software used for security. Still others might view it as things like OWASP and PCI. Do any/all of these fit what the project is trying to do? AliveFreeHappy (talk) 23:23, 22 July 2010 (UTC)


 * All of the above :) Everything directly related to information security in the computing world automatically falls inside the scope of this wikiproject. --DanielPharos (talk) 09:19, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks - I do believe I'll add myself to the list and see what I can do as time permits. AliveFreeHappy (talk) 16:43, 23 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you and welcome, what is your area of experience/expertise? Sephiroth storm (talk) 23:59, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

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IT Baseline Protection Catalogs
This article currently is tagged for WP:COMPSEC, of which I am a member, but it also suffers from lack of notability. Furthermore, the Guild of Copy Editors, of which I am also a member, is looking at cleaning up the article's text, but that's not worth our effort if the thing will be deleted. So, should we keep it or not? There are several merge options available if we want it to survive as an example of one government's computer security policies. At a glance, a lot of our articles on policy could be merged together, but that's another conversation. –Paul M. Nguyen (chat&#124;blame) 00:59, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * What is the actual claim of notability? Sephiroth storm (talk) 03:54, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Per WP:GNG:


 * 1) Significant coverage: the article presently discusses every aspect of the "book" from a "table of contents" perspective, which is not significant at all. This could be improved, but would not help the other GNGs.
 * 2) Reliable: the article is primary-sourced, but does reference official documents available in several formats. It could be expanded (and reach significant coverage) to address history of development of the document (really the policy should be the focus, not the particular document), influence by other governments, influence on other governments, track record of maintaining defenses and the times that they failed.
 * 3) Sources: again, primary source fails this rule.
 * 4) Independent of the subject: again, primary source fails this rule.
 * 5) Presumed ... like I said earlier, the article presently lists the publishing party and outlines the document
 * As I stated before, I would much rather see the content present in the article at this moment be included as an example of a government-sanctioned information/computer security policy, and seriously abbreviated from its current form.
 * As a comparison of a subject of similar form, take the US Federal Information Processing Standard. This article includes a wider variety of sources, describes the nature of the standard (the German article does this in the intro just the same), and describes its history and effects - that's what I would be looking for. –Paul M. Nguyen (chat&#124;blame) 13:11, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Goatse Security
Goatse Security is the first article that I've written, and there isn't any clean-up templates on the article. I'm concerned that the lack of clean-up templates may mean that there isn't any experienced users looking over my work. I would like an experienced user from this WikiProject to help evaluate, clean up, and perhaps expand the article. It would be nice to know that I have some support in my efforts. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 13:50, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * It looks surprisingly good for a hacker group article. Make sure to only add notable events, not every hack needs to be listed, good job. My only concern is if the trolling group should be listed in the article, do you think it is important? Sephiroth storm (talk) 23:00, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Yes, I think that it's important; Goatse Security IS the GNAA. I'll review the notability of those events. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 13:10, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

I pretty much finished describing the events that Goatse Security was involved in. I would now like to improve the quality of the article, but I'm not sure where to start. Any advice for further improvements? --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 17:29, 28 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I think it was a good idea to have it assessed at WP:Comp. It can be difficult to have many of our articles match the established standards, so we personally don't push that hard for them. Sephiroth storm (talk) 10:15, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but no one has reviewed any of the articles listed on the assessment queue since September 30. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 19:05, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Stuxnet
I have requested an assessment from WP Computing. If anyone is able to, I request that we do everything to get this article up to FA class. Sephiroth storm (talk) 10:15, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Firesheep. Anybody care to create a stub?
Firesheep has been in the news. Anybody care to create a stub?

-- 187.67.203.186 (talk) 00:26, 27 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Holy... I suggest we do everything to improve this article, because this is gonna be big! --DanielPharos (talk) 14:07, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Disambiguation page for PNAC?
Disambiguation page for PNAC needed?

See Talk:Project for the New American Century. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.107.184.193 (talk) 12:56, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
 * You can add a Disambiguation link at the top, take a look here: WP:DLINKS Sephiroth storm (talk) 13:11, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject cleanup listing
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BS 7799
FYI, BS 7799 was prodded for deletion. I deprodded it because the rationale was that "BS 7799" was no longer a valid standard, it had been withdrawn. As Ancient Egypt no longer exists either, but we have an article about it, means that current standards are not the only thing covered on Wikipedia. 76.66.194.212 (talk) 06:26, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I added some appropriate templates to the page, if you think it should be kept, you should look at seeing if you can improve those points. First of all the article needs a claim of notability. Its a standard, but why is it notable? Secondly it needs inline citations in accordance with WP:CiteSephiroth storm (talk) 15:43, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
 * As a widely-used standard for a whole subfield of IT, with various independent sources discussing it in depth, I think it would pass WP:GNG with ease. The current article text is not great but I would agree that the reason given for the prod was poor. bobrayner (talk) 15:04, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

FIPS 140-3
My reading of FIPS 140-3 is that there are only four security levels (not five, as stated in this article). I realise that FIPS 140-3 is in draft so five levels may represent a more up-to date picture of FIPS 140-3 but no citaitons on the page reflect this extra level...

I would edit and remove references to level five but I am new to the FIPS (and WIKI) arena and would rather discus this issue and check my facts before changing the article...

Can any one comment, for or against the 5 security levels...? 11:55, 1 December 2010 (UTC) Frogs gate (talk) 11:55, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Rootkit
This article has been nominated for GA, but seems there's not anyone game enough to review it. If there's an experienced editor who's interested in taking this on, your assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Socrates2008 ( Talk ) 10:11, 10 December 2010 (UTC)