Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cornwall/Archive 4

Cornwall-related articles have been selected for the Wikipedia 0.8 release
Version 0.8 is a collection of Wikipedia articles selected by the Wikipedia 1.0 team for offline release on USB key, DVD and mobile phone. Articles were selected based on their assessed importance and quality, then article versions (revisionIDs) were chosen for trustworthiness (freedom from vandalism) using an adaptation of the WikiTrust algorithm.

We would like to ask you to review the Cornwall-related articles and revisionIDs we have chosen. Selected articles are marked with a diamond symbol (&diams;) to the right of each article, and this symbol links to the selected version of each article. If you believe we have included or excluded articles inappropriately, please contact us at Wikipedia talk:Version 0.8 with the details. You may wish to look at your WikiProject's articles with cleanup tags and try to improve any that need work; if you do, please give us the new revisionID at Wikipedia talk:Version 0.8. We would like to complete this consultation period by midnight UTC on Sunday, November 14th.

We have greatly streamlined the process since the Version 0.7 release, so we aim to have the collection ready for distribution by the end of November, 2010. As a result, we are planning to distribute the collection much more widely, while continuing to work with groups such as One Laptop per Child and Wikipedia for Schools to extend the reach of Wikipedia worldwide. Please help us, with your WikiProject's feedback!

If you have already provided feedback, we deeply appreciate it. For the Wikipedia 1.0 editorial team, SelectionBot 16:31, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject cleanup listing
I have created together with Smallman12q a toolserver tool that shows a weekly-updated list of cleanup categories for WikiProjects, that can be used as a replacement for WolterBot and this WikiProject is among those that are already included (because it is a member of Category:WolterBot cleanup listing subscriptions). See the tool's wiki page, this project's listing in one big table or by categories and the index of WikiProjects. Svick (talk) 20:44, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Recently created stubs
I have noticed that quite a few stubs that have been created by User:Starzynka (who has been blocked for sock-puppetry) are no more than one-line introductions. Many of these Monastic based-stubs can be found at Category:Cornwall articles missing geocoordinate data. I have had a go at trying to expand a couple of these into more of an article, but I have found it quite hard to find any online sources of information, so would someone with access to some other sources be able to have a look at these, decide whether these stubs are notable enough to be kept and maybe expand them slightly if so please? Also, don't forget to add the project tag to the talk pages. Cheers, Zangar (talk) 12:41, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Need an image
Can anyone out there get an image of a Squab pie? the article is rather bereft of a picture of this interesting little delicacy. --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 09:39, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
 * ... was about to ask the same myself...  Worm   09:45, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Talking of images needed, can anyone get a photo of the memorial to the victims of the Maria Asumpta which is located in St Enodoc's Church, Trebetherick. Mjroots (talk) 20:02, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Food articles - good topic
Just thought I'd mention this here in case anyone objects before I do it. I've been working on getting a few of the Cornish food articles up to good status - Pasty, Stargazy pie, Squab pie and Clotted Cream so far. I thought it might be a good idea to create a good topic on Cornish Cuisine. However, I was told that a good topic should cover every article in series, so I'd need to get the rest of the Cornish food articles up to scratch.

I'm not sure there's enough on some of the stubs to make a good article, so I was thinking of merging the sweet Cornish foods into Cornish Cakes, including Hevva cake, Saffron buns and Fairings along with any other Cornish cake bits I can find. Similarly with Cornish Cheese, which will include Yarg and hopefully other cheeses I can find (I used to eat only Cornish cheese, theres at least 10 varieties I can name!). I'd then put Hog's pudding in the Cornish cuisine article and bingo bango we've got ourselves a good topic (assuming I can get three articles up to Good status). Are there any objections? Worm   TT   09:25, 15 March 2011 (UTC)


 * This sounds a good idea! One thing I'll say is to merge the info from Saffron bun into the Cornish cakes article, but keep the original one there as it covers both the Swedish varieties as well as the Cornish ones (I can confirm the Swedish ones do exist out here and are tasty!). What's the plan with Cornish Gilliflower? Perhaps merge into Cornish cuisine under a Fruit and vegetables section? I'm wondering if there's more we could add to such a section - is there a particularly Cornish potato?
 * I'll try to help with this where possible. Cheers, Zangar (talk) 11:51, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

WikiConference UK 2011 16 April 2011: Watershed Bristol
If you missed the Wikibanner, full details of the above at {http://wikiconferenceuk2011.eventbrite.com/} Jezhotwells (talk) 00:49, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

election
can someone check the veracity of Mebyon Kernow (and the realted buts at Devonwall and United Kingdom Alternative Vote referendum, 2011) which lead toDevonwall (UK Parliament constituency). are they accruate, factuaklly?Lihaas (talk) 01:12, 26 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I've tidied up the section in Mebyon Kernow and it seems fine. Although I have serious concerns about the Devonwall (UK Parliament constituency) article, which I have stated on the talk page. Zangar (talk) 10:54, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Now moved to Devonwall (possible UK Parliament constituency). —S MALL  JIM   12:25, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Anglo-Cornish (Cornish dialect) up for deletion.
Please see the relevant page.--MacRusgail (talk) 17:05, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

The perrenial (and frankly pathetic and boring) England/UK malarky has reared its ugly head again.
See the discussion Wikipedia talk:WikiProject England. DuncanHill (talk) 12:37, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Ha! I didn't think the poor wee Union had much to do with this. At least we don't have the silliness of someone adding "British Isles" to the lead again. --Τασουλα (Shalom!) (talk) 16:24, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
 * I have come across editors using Cornwall, UK or Cornwall, England because they do not like the clumsy wording of Cornwall, England, UK. I personally do not see a problem with Cornwall, UK being officially adopted, and I don't really get what the argument is against it. Bodrugan (talk) 13:54, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
 * We have consensus to include both "England" and "United Kingdom", because of the edit wars when only one is included - nationalist opinion being split on whether Cornwall is separate from England but part of the UK and whether it is an administrative area of England. Yes, the long version is ugly but the arguments, troll wars, and disruption were uglier. LessHeard vanU (talk) 14:13, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Are the articles on Cornwall topics in the Simple English Wikipedia supposed to follow the same pattern of "Cornwall, England, UK"? As they may not be edited by WikiProject Cornwall members it would be hard to control I suppose.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 20:39, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Simple English Wikipedia is a separate entity, and decisions made by consensus here need not be followed there (it is to be hoped that there is simply not the advocacy for one viewpoint over the other, and no edit wars). LessHeard vanU (talk) 20:48, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The editing of Cornwall articles there looks quite neutral at present and I have created a few articles for settlements, using "Cornwall, UK" rather than the fuller form. The Cornwall coverage is quite sketchy so far and most civil parishes / villages do not yet have articles at all.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 11:00, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Guidlines.
Frankly, the current guidelines need updating, clarifying and need to be made more visible - Recent troubles involving accusations of POV pushing and such have thrown this strongly into light. --Τασουλα (Shalom!) (talk) 16:21, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

CNLA
Some changes to Cornish National Liberation Army, one thing I have done is remove an apparently spurious citation, and cast doubt on the actual existence of the CNLA as anything mor e than a hoax. See also its talk page Govynn (talk) 08:00, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
 * There was speculation that it was a hoax but you really need sources to back this up. --Τασουλα (Shalom!) (talk) 13:45, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Pseudoarchaeology of Cornwall
Just to note that this new article has been created, and on the article talk page I've raised the question of whether it should be renamed and/or merged with Cornish folklore. Of course, others may think it should either be expanded, or deleted. Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:11, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

s:Portal:Cornwall
I have started up the corresponding portal at English Wikisource to start to capture Cornwall specific and related text. I am starting to populate with works that have been transferred to Wikisource. — billinghurst  sDrewth  13:14, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
 * -- Text imported from Portal talk:Cornwall by Zangar (talk) 15:09, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Hundreds
Should articles on hundreds be titled Foo (hundred) or Hundred of Foo? Input and comments please at: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_UK_geography.  SilkTork   ✔Tea time  09:44, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Missing Cornish articles (potentially)
Done a WP:AWB scan of all the Cornish wikipedia articles and created a list of articles not linked to the English wikipedia. See list here. Maybe require interlinking, creating article here on .en or no action at all if topic is not notable. Regards, SunCreator (talk) 20:00, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Recently created sub-stubs
A while ago User:Dr. Blofeld created a whole load of Cornish place stubs from redlinks in List of places in Cornwall. While these are a good start, they generally contain little information and only state "x is a village in Cornwall, England" and are referenced to Google maps. As such there are a few issues with these articles - For the regulars amongst us, you'll see that the location description doesn't match the "England, UK" style laid down in the guideline; also some places can hardly be described as a "village", some can be barely described as a "hamlet", one example being Cusveorth Coombe, which is here on OS maps and doesn't exist on the referenced Google maps. Therefore we could do with systematically going through these and expanding/improving the articles.

I've created a list of these locations at WikiProject Cornwall/Recently created stubs, based on the listing from Category:Cornwall articles missing geocoordinate data which captures most of these articles (as they were created without geocoordinates), including a list of things that need doing before crossing them off. Hopefully editors will find this useful to go through these articles. Zangar (talk) 22:14, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Mount Edgcumbe
Would it be a good idea to merge Mount Edgcumbe House with Mount Edgcumbe Country Park? The two pages are strikingly similar. Alansplodge (talk) 20:08, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I think that would be a good idea, to stop excessive overlap. I think it would be bet to merge these into a new article of Mount Edgcumbe House and Country Park and set the others as redirects, as it's what this government website seems happy calling it. Cheers, Zangar (talk) 16:29, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

St Agnes, St Merryn and Treneglos
All these articles have been expanded recently: St Agnes, Cornwall, and St Merryn have been expanded and now conform to the normal style for settlements. Treneglos also has been much improved with a lot of archaeological information.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 19:41, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Padstow image neeeded
Hi. Do you live in Padstow? We could really use a picture of the National Lobster Hatchery, inside and out. Cheers. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 06:49, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

GA nomination
Zennor Head has been nominated for GA.-- Gilderien Chat&#124;List of good deeds 00:06, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Please help get Cornwall ready for the start of the Wiki Loves Monuments competition on 1st September
This September the UK is taking part for the first time in the international photography competition Wiki Loves Monuments. Participants will be invited to submit pictures of listed buildings of significant importance (grades I or grade II*), as recorded by English Heritage. The main external website for competitors can be found here, and you can leave a message there if you have queries about competing. Do please join in, and let people in your local area know of this excellent way in which both existing and new Wiki users can help improve the encyclopaedia by contributing photographs of local listed structures. What about organizing a local Wikimeet to attract new people?

In preparation for the start of the competition on 1st September there is still quite a lot of work to do, and we would like to ask for the help of members of this wikiproject. Your local and expert knowledge will be invaluable in ensuring that the lists of eligible buildings are up to date and correctly formatted. If you look at Listed buildings in the United Kingdom you will see how many structures are included. If you then follow the link to Listed buildings in England, you can get to the detailed lists for your area. Alternatively have a look at the WLM planning table. Can you help to ensure that the lists for your area are up to date and well presented?

Some of the lists have been semi-automatically generated from data provided by English Heritage. These use pre formatted templates (eg EH header) which will make it much easier for competition participants to upload their photographs to Commons as an automated process. Please don't change the template structure, as we need to ensure that the templates are properly compatible with the WLM standards that are in use worldwide. The format will allow a bot automatically to collect the information and to put it into the international Monuments Database.

The data still needs the attention of local editors:
 * The "title" may need wikilinking to a suitable article name (whether we currently have that article or not). If there are several buildings in one street all of the wikilinks point at an article about the street; however each entry has a separate line in the list.
 * The "location" column looks and sorts better if just the parish or town is included (& wikilinked).
 * The "date completed" column sometimes has eg "C19" for 19th century, and "C1850" for c. 1850 when the date is uncertain - these need to be corrected manually.
 * The "grid ref & lat & long" (which is occasionally missing) may be given to 8 characters — only 6 (grid ref) or 5 (lat & long) are really needed.
 * Clicking on the "list entry number" should take you to the data sheet for that entry on the English Heritage database which can be checked if needed for details.
 * The image column should have a picture added if we already have a suitable image on Commons. (N.B. if you are going to be taking photos yourself for inclusion in the competition don't upload them until September)
 * References may be added according to normal WP practice.

For further information, please see [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2013_in_the_United_Kingdom Commons:Wiki Loves Monuments 2013 in the United Kingdom. ]

If you have any queries, please post them not below but on the Organizers' help page on Commons.

Anything you can do to help improve these lists will be much appreciated. '''The final deadline for cleaning up is 31st August. '''

--MichaelMaggs (talk) 16:56, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Hoax?
Leonard Le-Bec In ictu oculi (talk) 19:10, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Seems to be creation of a theater company. See the talk page Talk:Leonard Le-Bec.--Salix (talk): 19:26, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Hills of Cornwall
I have started a list of hills of Cornwall which readers are free to enhance, correct and expand. --Bermicourt (talk) 21:06, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Second opinion requested
Can someone uninvolved take a look at the minor edit-war currently going on at Bal maiden? Someone is insisting on removing the links to iron and copper because they're "common terms" (along with South Australia in the section on the exodus of miners when the mines closed). I've already reverted twice, and obviously don't want to hit the WP:3RR limit. However, I would say that in an article on Cornish mining history, these are absolutely relevant links, and readers are fairly likely to want to know more about the materials in question. Obviously, I don't want to fight over this if there genuinely is a Wikipedia policy against these links, but I can't see how these links wouldn't be appropriate in these circumstances. Mogism (talk) 18:20, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Cornish Museum
Hi, I'm in discussion with a Cornish museum re a photography session where tripods would be allowed. Would someone here be willing to be the host on the ground? You don't need to be a photographer, but you would need to handout a feedback form and be our contact pointon the day. Please email me if you are interested. Jonathan Cardy (WMUK) (talk) 16:58, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Cornish Art
should we create a new article on Cornish art, there's a lot more that can be said of it I'm sure, Cornwall is famous for it after all.Bodrugan (talk) 23:31, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Feb 20th in Falmouth
Hi, we are running a training session for museum curators and other staff on the 20th Feb in Falmouth, and have had more signups than we bargained for. Is there anyone near Falmouth who would be available on the day to assist - we usually find at these events that someone is either much slower or much faster than the class or wants to spin the thing off into a discussion as to why their article was deleted. Drop me an email if you are near Falmouth and willing to join us for the day. Jonathan Cardy (WMUK) (talk) 13:46, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Popular pages tool update
As of January, the popular pages tool has moved from the Toolserver to Wikimedia Tool Labs. The code has changed significantly from the Toolserver version, but users should notice few differences. Please take a moment to look over your project's list for any anomalies, such as pages that you expect to see that are missing or pages that seem to have more views than expected. Note that unlike other tools, this tool aggregates all views from redirects, which means it will typically have higher numbers. (For January 2014 specifically, 35 hours of data is missing from the WMF data, which was approximated from other dates. For most articles, this should yield a more accurate number. However, a few articles, like ones featured on the Main Page, may be off).

Web tools, to replace the ones at ~alexz/pop, will become available over the next few weeks at popularpages. All of the historical data (back to July 2009 for some projects) has been copied over. The tool to view historical data is currently partially available (assessment data and a few projects may not be available at the moment). The tool to add new projects to the bot's list is also available now (editing the configuration of current projects coming soon). Unlike the previous tool, all changes will be effective immediately. OAuth is used to authenticate users, allowing only regular users to make changes to prevent abuse. A visible history of configuration additions and changes is coming soon. Once tools become fully available, their toolserver versions will redirect to Labs.

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Comment on the WikiProject X proposal
Hello there! As you may already know, most WikiProjects here on Wikipedia struggle to stay active after they've been founded. I believe there is a lot of potential for WikiProjects to facilitate collaboration across subject areas, so I have submitted a grant proposal with the Wikimedia Foundation for the "WikiProject X" project. WikiProject X will study what makes WikiProjects succeed in retaining editors and then design a prototype WikiProject system that will recruit contributors to WikiProjects and help them run effectively. Please review the proposal here and leave feedback. If you have any questions, you can ask on the proposal page or leave a message on my talk page. Thank you for your time! (Also, sorry about the posting mistake earlier. If someone already moved my message to the talk page, feel free to remove this posting.) Harej (talk) 22:47, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Old maps and views of Cornwall and the South West
As you might have seen in the Signpost this week, there's currently a drive to go through the million 19th century images released by the British Library last year, and identify all the maps, with a view to their being georeferenced by BL volunteers, and then uploaded to Commons early next year. As of Sunday night, over five thousand new maps have been identified, with 26.5% of the target books looked at -- but see the status page for the latest figures, and more information.

A part that may specifically interest this project is
 * c:Commons:British Library/Mechanical Curator collection/Synoptic index/England - South West

which currently shows pink templated links for 237 Flickr book pages still to be looked at. (Though there are lots of other parts of England, and indeed of the world, still to be looked through as well).

Any help looking through these would be very much appreciated -- as well as the maps (and ground plans) for tagging, you may well also find other interesting or useful non-map views that may be worth considering or uploading for articles on Cornwall and the West Country.

Thanks, Jheald (talk) 01:03, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Will Coleman and Dalla song?
There's a proposal at Talk:Black and Gold to move to Talk:Black and Gold (folk song), I believe at present state of article it should either move to Talk:Black and Gold (Will Coleman song) or be deleted. It appears to not be a folk song. I understand the legitimacy of what artists like Will Coleman are doing, but nevertheless we can't misrepresent a modern creation as "folk song" in the title if it is a recent creation. Can anyone help with sources? In ictu oculi (talk) 00:06, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

WikiProject X is live!


Hello everyone!

You may have received a message from me earlier asking you to comment on my WikiProject X proposal. The good news is that WikiProject X is now live! In our first phase, we are focusing on research. At this time, we are looking for people to share their experiences with WikiProjects: good, bad, or neutral. We are also looking for WikiProjects that may be interested in trying out new tools and layouts that will make participating easier and projects easier to maintain. If you or your WikiProject are interested, check us out! Note that this is an opt-in program; no WikiProject will be required to change anything against its wishes. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thank you!

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Harej (talk) 16:57, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

New Downs
This is just a note to say that New Downs is being discussed at Articles for deletion/New Downs. Any information about this farm or village would be appreciated. – Margin1522 (talk) 01:15, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Cornish politicians
Category:Cornish politicians has been renamed Category:Politicians from Cornwall. DuncanHill (talk) 23:02, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

List of public art
Please populate List of public art in Cornwall; see for a guide. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:13, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Project related RM
Talk:Tor (disambiguation). Please see Talk:Tor In ictu oculi (talk) 20:14, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Watching a category
It is now possible to see additions to, and removals from, any Wikipedia category. To do this, add the category to your watchlist, and make sure that in preferences you have unchecked the box marked "Hide categorization of pages" in the watchlist section. Project members may find this useful. DuncanHill (talk) 15:03, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the tip Duncan, that's great! Cheers, Zangar (talk) 09:16, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

Black and Gold
Any information about this song or the songwriter? In ictu oculi (talk) 18:34, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

The West Country Challenge
We're planning on running WikiProject England/The West Country Challenge in the summer. It is based on the WikiProject Wales/Awaken the Dragon model, a very successful contest/editathon which saw the improvement and creation of over 1000 articles and 65 Good and Featrued articles. If you'd like to replicate this success for your county, please sign up at the contest page in the participants section. It is intended for both people who might compete in it and for those just interested in independently contributing.♦ Dr. Blofeld  15:16, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Article alerts
Just a reminder that if you add WikiProject Cornwall/Article alerts to your watchlist then you should get warning of deletion nominations of any articles, templates, etc, tagged as part of the Wikiproject. DuncanHill (talk) 21:32, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

The West Country Challenge
Would you like to win up to £250 in Amazon vouchers for participating in The West Country Challenge?

The The West Country Challenge will take place from 8 to 28 August 2016. The idea ito create and improve articles about Bristol, Somerset, Devon, Cornwall and the Isles of Scilly, Dorset, Wiltshire and Gloucestershire.

The format will be based on Wales's successful Awaken the Dragon which saw over 1000 article improvements and creations and 65 GAs/FAs. As with the Dragon contest, the focus is more on improving core articles and breathing new life into those older stale articles and stubs which might otherwise not get edited in years. All contributions, including new articles, are welcome though.

Work on any of the items at: or other articles relating to the area.
 * Core articles
 * Missing article hotlist
 * Missing photograph hotlist

There will be sub contests focusing on particular areas:
 * Bristol (Day 1-3)
 * Cornwall and Scilly (Day 4-6)
 * Devon (Day 7-9)
 * Dorset (Day 10-12)
 * Gloucestershire (Day 13-15)
 * Somerset (Day 16-18)
 * Wiltshire (Day 19-21)

To sign up or get more information visit the contest pages at WikiProject England/The West Country Challenge.&mdash; Rod talk 15:50, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

2016 Community Wishlist Survey Proposal to Revive Popular Pages
Greetings Members!

This is a one-time-only message to inform you about a technical proposal to revive your Popular Pages list in the 2016 Community Wishlist Survey that I think you may be interested in reviewing and perhaps even voting for:


 * Fix and improve Mr.Z-bot's popular pages report

If the above proposal gets in the Top 10 based on the votes, there is a high likelihood of this bot being restored so your project will again see monthly updates of popular pages.

Further, there are over 260 proposals in all to review and vote for, across many aspects of wikis.

Thank you for your consideration. Please note that voting for proposals continues through December 12, 2016.

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Popular pages report
We – Community Tech – are happy to announce that the Popular pages bot is back up-and-running (after a one year hiatus)! You're receiving this message because your WikiProject or task force is signed up to receive the popular pages report. Every month, will post at /Popular pages with a list of the most-viewed pages over the previous month that are within the scope of. We've made some enhancements to the original report. Here's what's new:
 * The pageview data includes both desktop and mobile data.
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Warm regards, the Community Tech Team 17:16, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

New essay
Comments are invited about the relationship of NOTENGLAND with the existing project guideline on Cornwall as a county or country.--Johnsoniensis (talk) 13:20, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

More specifically comments are invited about which geographic descriptor should be used in the ledes of articles about places in Cornwall.
 * in Cornwall, England, United Kingdom.
 * in Cornwall, United Kingdom.
 * in Cornwall, England.
 * A Guy into Books (talk) 09:42, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

Disambiguation links on pages tagged by this wikiproject
Wikipedia has many thousands of wikilinks which point to disambiguation pages. It would be useful to readers if these links directed them to the specific pages of interest, rather than making them search through a list. Members of WikiProject Disambiguation have been working on this and the total number is now below 20,000 for the first time. Some of these links require specialist knowledge of the topics concerned and therefore it would be great if you could help in your area of expertise.

A list of the relevant links on pages which fall within the remit of this wikiproject can be found at http://69.142.160.183/~dispenser/cgi-bin/topic_points.py?banner=WikiProject_Cornwall

Please take a few minutes to help make these more useful to our readers.&mdash; Rod talk 14:39, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

WikiProject collaboration notice from the Portals WikiProject
The reason I am contacting you is because there are one or more portals that fall under this subject, and the Portals WikiProject is currently undertaking a major drive to automate portals that may affect them.

Portals are being redesigned.

The new design features are being applied to existing portals.

At present, we are gearing up for a maintenance pass of portals in which the introduction section will be upgraded to no longer need a subpage. In place of static copied and pasted excerpts will be self-updating excerpts displayed through selective transclusion, using the template Transclude lead excerpt.

The discussion about this can be found here.

Maintainers of specific portals are encouraged to sign up as project members here, noting the portals they maintain, so that those portals are skipped by the maintenance pass. Currently, we are interested in upgrading neglected and abandoned portals. There will be opportunity for maintained portals to opt-in later, or the portal maintainers can handle upgrading (the portals they maintain) personally at any time.

Background
On April 8th, 2018, an RfC ("Request for comment") proposal was made to eliminate all portals and the portal namespace. On April 17th, the Portals WikiProject was rebooted to handle the revitalization of the portal system. On May 12th, the RfC was closed with the result to keep portals, by a margin of about 2 to 1 in favor of keeping portals.

There's an article in the current edition of the Signpost interviewing project members about the RfC and the Portals WikiProject.

Since the reboot, the Portals WikiProject has been busy building tools and components to upgrade portals.

So far, 84 editors have joined.

If you would like to keep abreast of what is happening with portals, see the newsletter archive.

If you have any questions about what is happening with portals or the Portals WikiProject, please post them on the WikiProject's talk page.

Thank you. &mdash; The Transhumanist  07:33, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Celtic Knot Wikimedia Language Conference 2019


The third Celtic Knot Language Conference will be held this year at Penryn Campus, Cornwall on the 4th & 5th of July 2019.

More information can be found here. See you there! Llywelyn2000 (talk) 08:42, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

Request for information on WP1.0 web tool
Hello and greetings from the maintainers of the WP 1.0 Bot! As you may or may not know, we are currently involved in an overhaul of the bot, in order to make it more modern and maintainable. As part of this process, we will be rewriting the web tool that is part of the project. You might have noticed this tool if you click through the links on the project assessment summary tables.

We'd like to collect information on how the current tool is used by....you! How do you yourself and the other maintainers of your project use the web tool? Which of its features do you need? How frequently do you use these features? And what features is the tool missing that would be useful to you? We have collected all of these questions at this Google form where you can leave your response. Walkerma (talk) 04:24, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

The Great Britain/Ireland Destubathon
Hi. The The Great Britain/Ireland Destubathon is planned for March 2020, a contest/editathon to eliminate as many stubs as possible from all 134 counties. Amazon vouchers/book prizes are planned for most articles destubbed from England, Wales, Scotland and Ireland and Northern Ireland and whoever destubs articles from the most counties out of the 134. Sign up on page if interested in participating, we have over 44,000 stubs! A good opportunity to improve stubs for your area!♦ Dr. Blofeld  13:07, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

English Heritage inspector, Draft:Francis P Kelly
Hello, I'd appreciate any input on this draft article on a recently retired English Heritage/Historic England inspector who helped preserve and maintain heritage buildings in the SW, including Cornwall. For example, St Odulph's Church in Pillaton - he inspected after serious storm damage in 2013 and supervised the extensive repairs. Any help (and images!) would be much appreciated - many thanks in advance. CourtauldGill (talk) 11:08, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

PD Scilly Isles postcards: C. J. King
While researching ornithological photographers, I came across C.J. King, who also worked commercially and reputedly published the first postcards of the Scilly Isles. He died in 1939, so his works are out of copyright. I've uploaded a few of his pictures on Commons, but others can be found on eBay and the like. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:38, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Brighton, Cornwall
The photo is of Rottingdean windmill, Brighton & Hove. Wrong Brighton. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.3.229.32 (talk) 14:34, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I have replaced it with 1 in the Cornish one.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 20:26, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Parishes project
I have started a project for missing civil parishes at User:Crouch, Swale/Missing parishes. The missing parishes in Cornwall are:


 * St Buryan, Lamorna and Paul
 * St Ive and Pensilva
 * St Keyne and Trewidland
 * Tregony with Cuby

And these exists as a redirect only but should probably have separate articles: A total of 8, see User:Crouch, Swale/Missing parishes (1).  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 20:26, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Budock (?), is this an alternative name for Budock Water?
 * Lawhitton Rural
 * St Minver Highlands
 * St Minver Lowlands
 * I've struct the created 1, pinging active members to get more input .  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 18:17, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Budock Water is the name of the village, within the parish of Budock.  Tewdar  (talk) 20:19, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
 * St Minver Highlands and St Minver Lowlands civil parishes definitely need their own articles...   Tewdar  (talk) 20:31, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Tregony with Cuby is simply a very recent combination of the parish councils of Tregony and Cuby. Probably both of them are still civil parishes, even though those pages say they aren’t. Tregony with Cuby has almost zero history and might struggle to be notable. St Keyne and Trewidland is much the same. Moonraker (talk) 21:34, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
 * The CPs were merged in April last year, see this order and the OS. The history and distinction is the distinct name and recent merge. There's a reason Wokingham/Borough of Wokingham are separate articles but Reading, Berkshire/Borough of Reading aren't. The former is a relatively recent (1974) combination while Reading's boundaries are much older, see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK geography/Archive/WikiProject UK subdivisions.  Crouch, Swale  ( talk ) 21:45, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
 * , those are good sources, and the first shows that Cornwall Council did indeed use its powers to combine the civil parishes. It didn’t have to do that, as it could also have created what are called joint parish councils, with more than one civil parish in them. You have cleared that point up, but mine stands, viz. that if these pages were created there would be little to go in them! Not that I am against it, but of limited value. Moonraker (talk) 23:02, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

User script to detect unreliable sources
I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like and turns it into something like
 * John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.
 * John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.

It will work on a variety of links, including those from cite web, cite journal and doi.

The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.

- &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b}

This is a one time notice and can't be unsubscribed from. Delivered by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:01, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Isles of Scilly taskforce?
Hello, just some newbie here to enquire: Would it be possible to have an Isles of Scilly Taskforce as part of the Cornwall WikiProject? No worries if not, I just want to see if there is any enthusiasm from the WikiProject members. HenryTemplo (talk) 11:30, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I have done a bit of editing on the IoS articles in the past and willing to help, but I haven't really been that active on here recently and I can't guarantee I can spare much time. Bodrugan (talk) 10:04, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply, @Bodrugan! Judging from the otherwise lack of responses, I don’t think there’s a huge demand for a IoS Task Force, although I will certainly continue my editing of Scilly-related pages. I’m hoping (at some point) to get the Isles of Scilly article promoted to good article status... when I get round to it! Have a great day! HenryTemplo (talk) 10:14, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Penwith
The Penwith article seems very confusing and out of date. It's trying to cover the now defunct district of Penwith, but also West Penwith/the Penwith peninsula and completely ignores most of East Penwith (The areas around Camborne and Redruth). The district covered the western two thirds of the old Hundred of Penwith, and doesn't really match up with the geographical area of the Penwith peninsula or West Penwith as it included areas around Hayle. I think we need a separate article on the old district council, as there is for the hundred, and the article on Penwith should encompass the whole thing (West Penwith, East Penwith and the former district) or just become a disambiguation page and create pages for West Penwith and the district. Bodrugan (talk) 10:20, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

List of foreign-language names for Cornwall
This page was merged into Geography of Cornwall in 2009, but more recently all of the information on this subject was removed from that page, meaning the redirect doesn't take you to the information any more. Can we find a more suitable home for the list and redirect? Bodrugan (talk) 14:11, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Cornish people
We have a guideline (WikiProject Cornwall/Guideline) for article leads on the Cornwall - England - United Kingdom issue, but could we also have one for biographies of Cornish people on the use of Cornish as a nationality in leads? Bodrugan (talk) 10:45, 25 May 2022 (UTC)


 * I think that would be a good idea, do you want to draft one up in your userspace? Any interested editor can then chip in if they want to and comment on it. Have a great day! HenryTemplo (talk) 11:16, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Fully support this, this is very important. Gwikor Frank (talk) 22:38, 27 May 2022 (UTC)


 * WP:NATIONALITY. "The opening paragraph should usually provide context for the activities that made the person notable. In most modern-day cases, this will be the country, region, or territory, where the person is a citizen, national, or permanent resident; or, if the person is notable mainly for past events, where the person was a citizen, national, or permanent resident when the person became notable. For guidance on historic place name versus modern-day names, see WP:MODERNPLACENAME.


 * Ethnicity, religion, or sexuality should generally not be in the lead unless it is relevant to the subject's notability. Similarly, previous nationalities or the place of birth should not be mentioned in the lead unless relevant to the subject's notability". DuncanHill (talk) 22:53, 27 May 2022 (UTC)
 * There is an exception for nationalities within the UK. Why the UK in particular gets this I don't really understand, but that's the way it is. Note that it's not based on "countries of the United Kingdom" (this would result in Welsh people between 1746 and 1967 being labelled as English) so the policy should be read as being inclusive of the Cornish, unless Wikipedia wants to discriminate against the Cornish in particular. Bodrugan (talk) 20:33, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Editors should bear in mind that a large proportion of people in Cornwall regard themselves as either English (i.e. that Cornwall is a part of England), or both English and Cornish. Not all, of course, but (like it or not) a substantial proportion.  Ghmyrtle (talk) 21:10, 6 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Ideally, we would need some data to back this up (and some reliable sources), so maybe why should wait until the result of the 2022 census comes out this summer, which should give us some idea on the preferred nationality of Cornish people (and maybe some RS will publish some articles as well). Just a idea... HenryTemplo (talk) 07:08, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's perfectly true. What I'm encountering is that biographies of Cornish people, who may not have seen themselves as English, are being edited and changed to describe them as English (rather than British) using the above policy to justify it. What I would suggest is that all nationalities in opening paragraphs for people born in Cornwall should read British, unless a Cornish identity was part of that person's notability, or we have evidence that that person identified themselves as Cornish, or indeed English (and any other identity). Bodrugan (talk) 14:54, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
 * [Just to clarify, @Bodrugan, I'm not saying we use the census to cite wether someone identifies as Cornish, just that the census will probably lead to reliable sources publishing articles about Cornish identity, given any discussion on Wikipedia about Cornish identity some basis and data (my fault for rushing to write that reply!)] Yes, I think that approach would probably be appropriate, given that Cornish identity can be a controversial issue. Might be worth checking though what's the latest consensus and precedent on the matter. :) HenryTemplo (talk) 16:19, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
 * People from Cornwall should not have their national identity assumed. The Cornish are a recognised national minority and a blanket "English" description could introduce inaccurate information. The only way we can be sure of someone's national identity is if there are reliable sources in which they mention it. @Ghmyrtle Regardless of how many in Cornwall identify as English, it does not change the fact that the Cornish are a recognised national minority group.
 * I propose the following policy for WP:Cornwall pages: "The Cornish are a recognised national minority. In articles, the nationality of people from Cornwall should be given as British only, unless reliable sources can be found in which they state a Cornish or other identity". --Lader Gwiader (talk) 12:57, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

GAR for Isles of Scilly
Isles of Scilly has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 07:34, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Transport for Cornwall
Was back down last year and was very excited about the transport developments but had a headache trying to find out what this organisation actually is. After reading up, I compiled some findings on a new Wikipedia page at Transport for Cornwall. I've got a little more to add in the coming weeks but also some gaps, especially about the structure and the relation between bus companies and the organisation (what is tendered, direct, contracted, partnership, participating in ticket scheme only... etc.) and the power balance of Go Cornwall vs First vs others. Any local brains got anything to add or correct? Turtlecrown (talk) 22:23, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
 * First have joint ticketing with Transport for Cornwall, but I don't think they operate any subsidised routes so no buses are branded as TfC. They mostly operate in the west and north of the Duchy.
 * Go Cornwall had some commercial services in the east of the Duchy but all Go Cornwall buses seem to carry TfC branding, however Plymouth CityBus-branded vehicles also work on some of these services. They are all one company (along with Go Devon Bus) but use the different brands for different service groups. Geof Sheppard (talk) 11:03, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Project-independent quality assessments
Quality assessments by Wikipedia editors rate articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at Content assessment, but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent Village pump proposal was approved and has been implemented to add a class parameter to WikiProject banner shell, which can display a general quality assessment for an article, and to let project banner templates "inherit" this assessment.

No action is required if your wikiproject follows the standard assessment approach. Over time, quality assessments will be migrated up to WikiProject banner shell, and your project banner will automatically "inherit" any changes to the general assessments for the purpose of assigning categories.

However, if your project has decided to "opt out" and follow a non-standard quality assessment approach, all you have to do is modify your wikiproject banner template to pass WPBannerMeta a new custom parameter. If this is done, changes to the general quality assessment will be ignored, and your project-level assessment will be displayed and used to create categories, as at present. Aymatth2 (talk) 13:50, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

RFC on usage of First Nations placenames on Wikipedia
There is an ongoing request for discussion concerning whether First Nations placenames can be used in the infobox on Wikipedia. Please provide your feedback here. Poketama (talk) 02:27, 14 May 2023 (UTC)