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GA reassessment of Natalie Maines
I have conducted a reassessment of the above article as part of the GA Sweeps process. You are being notified as this project's banner is on the talk page. I have found some concerns which you can see at Talk:Natalie Maines/GA1. I have placed the article on hold whilst these are fixed. Thanks. Jezhotwells (talk) 05:38, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Notes field in No. 1 songs boxes
A couple of days ago, on the List of number-one country hits of 2010 (U.S.) page, there was an edit war over whether to include a piece of information about the No. 1 song "Gimmie That Girl" by Joe Nichols. An editor had wished to list one of the song's writers (Rhett Akins), reasoning that he had a previous No. 1 hit as a performer, and that made said information notable. Apparently, some other editors disagreed and tried to have the information removed. An edit war resulted, and the page is currently locked from editing. I understand that this WikiProject is inactive at the moment, but I wanted to turn somewhere to help resolve this debate and set some sort of procedure for handling miscellaneous information in the "notes" section of these No. 1 songs tables. I want to know what you think — should we include "notes" (i.e., truly notable information, as what we have tried to do by indicating whether the song was the first or last No. 1 for a particular artist, the No. 1 song of the year, etc., and exclude other indiscriminate trivia), or do away with this field altogether and just list the song, artist and weeks at No. 1. Myself, I'm not totally against these fields so long as the information is kept under control by including select information (as indicated just a sentence ago — whether the song was the first, last or only No. 1 for an artist, was named the No. 1 song of the year by Billboard magazine, and so forth. I still need to figure out the "so forth," and since I need to get to work here for my job, I'll ponder a list and then try to list my recommendations. However, information such as the songwriter — the issue at the crux of the edit war I referenced above — belongs on that particular song's page in most cases (yes, there are exceptions, and we can discuss them here). Meanwhile, I'm interested in your thoughts and resolving this issue so we can move forward. Briguy52748 (talk) 12:18, 4 May 2010 (UTC)]]
 * Do we even need a notes section at all? None of the other lists of number-one songs use notes sections, so I don't think the country one should either. If a song held #1 non-contiguously, we can put that in a footnote. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 16:15, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I second TenPoundHammer on completely removing the special notes, he uses the same reasoning that I did on Talk:List of number-one country hits of 2010 (U.S.), no other genres' list of number-one songs have these notes and country music shouldn't be treated any differently. I think that footnotes would be perfectly adequate for noting important infomation, like if a song broke any records or was the Billboard song of the year, whereas certain less important information (such as "First No. 1 since ...." or notable co-writers) may be better suited for the specific songs article. NOWucme(NOWudont)  talk 2 me 16:27, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed. The only things that should need footnotes are non-contiguous runs ("Song fell to #2 on the week of x and returned to #1 on the week of Y"), number-one songs of the year, and maybe one or two other things. "First #1 since x," "co-written by x," etc. are too much. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 18:41, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I kinda liked having the notation that the song is their first number one hit/how long since their last one, but now that you point it out that is something that could be left for the article page. But under no circumstances should there be absolutely useless trivia such as co-writers names. Seriously, who gives a frick if another country artist wrote the song? And limiting that even further to whether they had a #1 hit in the past is pretty lame as well. CloversMallRat (talk) 23:02, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
 * So basically, what I'm reading from TenPoundHammer, NOWucme(NOWudont) is kind of along the lines of waht I'm thinking as well — the "notes" field being reserved for truly notable information, such as whether a song broke a given record, was the Billboard No. 1 song of the year, non-contiguous weeks at No. 1, etc., which is ironically how it began for the most part. I'd probably also add whether the given song was a first, last or only No. 1 hit for the given artist, as has already been the practice; that information should be part of "the year in music" — who had their breakthrough No. 1, their only shining moment atop the chart, or enjoyed their last No. 1 hit. In addition, I think a note might be needed to distinguish two separate songs with an identical title if both were major hits (for example, "How Was I to Know" was the title of different songs by Reba McEntire and John Michael Montgomery in 1997, Reba's a No. 1 hit and John Michael's a top 5 hit), as not everyone who reads these pages may be a country music fan and, absent a note, could easily conclude that one artist or the other covered a song with that name. I had thought about the co-writers, etc., notes a little more, and considered an exception for somone who is not normally involved in country music, or even music for that matter, but that might encourage contributions that led us to this debate and best suited for the song article's page — in other words, keep co-writers out altogether. Other than the few exceptions I've noted, I think the "notes" section should be left blank for the most part. Meanwhile, I'm interested in other thoughts. Briguy52748 (talk) 12:41, 6 May 2010 (UTC)]]


 * It should look just like this, except for the References column replaced with Notes. Fortunately the scenario that you keep bringing up with John Michael Montgomery & Reba rarely happens, the only recent instance of two major country songs having the same title that comes to mind is "I Told You So" (Keith Urban & Carrie Underwood), so that isn't really a problem. NOWucme(NOWudont)  talk 2 me 18:08, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
 * And does anyone know if "Consider Me Gone" broke any records? It kinda seems like it could have to me. NOWucme(NOWudont)  talk 2 me 18:15, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
 * NOWucme — Songs named "I Told You So" (one by Keith Urban and the other by Carrie Underwood) were released and peaked in different years (Keith's in 2007, Carrie's in 2009), so no notes are needed there. However, it is appropriate for "How Was I to Know" since songs of that title by Reba McEntire and John Michael Montgomery both peaked in 1997 (see the difference), although admittedly a link to each song in this instance could help some readers discern that both songs are different. Then again, there still might be confusion by the reader who decides not to click on to each song link. The only other "notes" that I think would warrant an exception would apply mainly to years where 7-inch vinyl singles were still being released (i.e., prior to the early 1990s), when a flip side sometimes peaked on another Billboard chart. An example: Anne Murray's "He Thinks I Still Care" peaked at No. 1 on the country chart in 1974, while that single's B-side, "You Won't See Me" (no pun intended, NOWucme, but the cover of the Lennon-McCartney song), was a No. 8 hit on the Billboard Hot 100. How often that happened would need to be researched, but I do think it's rare. Briguy52748 (talk) 21:11, 8 May 2010 (UTC)]]


 * I disagree that it should look like that format; the one present looks much better overall. And I agree completely with what Briguy has said; the notes section should contain anything noteworthy including the status of the #1 (their first/last, etc.), but excluding trivial info that doesn't relate to the song's success, such as who wrote it. CloversMallRat (talk) 21:42, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * As far as breaking any records with "Consider Me Gone," it was the first time a woman over the age of 50 had reached #1 on the country chart. And its the first time since September 2005 (Sara Evans' "A Real Fine Place to Start") that a solo female other than Taylor Swift & Carrie Underwood reached #1. CloversMallRat (talk) 21:48, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * CloversMallRat — The notation about Reba McEntire's "records" with "Consider Me Gone" would be irrelevant since: 1. Dolly Parton (although she provided only harmony vocals on Brad Paisley's "When I Get Where I'm Going") is credited as the oldest female to hit No. 1 (at age 60), and 2. Whether a limited number of solo female vocalists had No. 1's in the 4-year, 3-month interim (October 2005 through January 2010) really didn't have much, if any, bearing on the success of Reba McEntire's "Consider Me Gone." The only time where a note to such effect would be appropriate is if Sara Evans were the last solo female vocalist to have a No. 1 hit before "Consider Me Gone" peaked (i.e., Carrie and Taylor never reached No. 1 with any of their songs), but that didn't hppen. Briguy52748 (talk) 21:11, 8 May 2010 (UTC)]]
 * Oh, and if there was a much longer span between two No. 1 hits by a given artist would a note be relevant — say, at least a 10 years, or if it's a record holder (as would be the case for Elvis Presley's "Moody Blue," which on the Hot Country Singles chart came nearly 19 years after his last No. 1 country hit, "Jailhouse Rock"). Again, it's time to decide what the consensus is and close this out this debate if there aren't any more comments. Briguy52748 (talk) 19:46, 10 May 2010 (UTC)]]

Chart history
Here


 * A  ^ Important information blah blah.

Hot 100 peaks
This is slightly off-topic, but since we're not including a CAN peak column anymore, is it worth including a column for Hot 100 peaks like so (or is that just more trivia)? I also don't think a references column is a bad idea. Eric444 (talk) 02:30, 7 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't think thats directly relevant, being as country singles are specifically released for airplay on the genre chart, crossing over to the Hot 100 based mainly on downloads. CloversMallRat (talk) 21:44, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * A song's peak on the Billboard Hot 100 — with the possible (and I mean possible) exception of said song reaching No. 1 on that chart — is irrelevant to note in the notes section. Otherwise, I don't know. Anyone for more opinions? Briguy52748 (talk) 21:12, 8 May 2010 (UTC)]]
 * The only other thing I can think of relating to CloversMallRat's comments is, do we know for sure how a given song reached the Billboard Hot 100? While downloads may very well be the main reason for Hot 100 peaks for many of the songs listed, I do know that, for instance, "Need You Now" by Lady Antebellum received substantial airplay on Top 40/CHR/adult contemporary radio stations, so — without looking — I'm sure there are a number of criteria used (other than just airplay or just downloads) that enables a given song to reach the Hot 100 (but then again, that's a topic for another forum). Otherwise, I stand behind my assertion at this time that, unless it reaches No. 1 on the Hot 100, a song's Hot 100 peak isn't all that important. If my mind changes, I'll post it. Briguy52748 (talk) 21:18, 8 May 2010 (UTC)]]

Time to reach a consensus
Have we come to a consensus on what should and should not be included in the notes field of the table? If not, I think it's about time to come to one, state it, and then apply the appropriate changes to the X-year in country music/No. 1 hits of X-year articles. If anyone wants to comment further, let's hear them. Briguy52748 (talk) 12:26, 10 May 2010 (UTC)]]
 * I suggest including notes only for non-consecutive Number One runs and Number One songs of the year. If a song set some sort of record (e.g. "Find Out Who Your Friends Are"), then that should be noted only in the song's article. Don't include the Hot 100 peaks in the table. Lists such as 2010 in music suggest including only a very small, lean amount of information. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 22:44, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 * We should keep the information pertaining to the Number One hit, ie: last #1, first #1, etc. But we should remove any trivial information such as songwriters. CloversMallRat (talk) 17:32, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree with CloversMallRat and some of what TenPoundHammer said. Notes pertaining to truly notable records (such as longevity at No. 1, weeks taken to reach No. 1, etc.), I believe, are part of the "year in music" and can be kept brief in the notes field, although said records can be explained further in the song article. But as far as songwriter info and miscellaneous info, that belongs only in the song article itself. Other extreme examples where notes may be required — such as the example I brought up about "How Was I to Know" having two different songs in the same year — should be handled on a case-by-case basis, although it leans more toward leaving it to the song article only. Otherwise, once final consensus is reached, we should patrol these articles and ensure that editors are adhering to it. Briguy52748 (talk) 16:08, 17 May 2010 (UTC)]]
 * I think that sums it up pretty well, and the #1 hits of 2010 list looks a lot cleaner now. CloversMallRat (talk) 19:58, 17 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't see a consensus on including "1st #1 on chart" under notes section. It's purely trivia and doesn't belong. Instead of a notes section, there should be a references section. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (talk) 05:37, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars — OK, what do you consider "consensus", and why do you think including "1st #1 on chart" is "trivia"? Unless I am mistaken, I thought we had reached it regarding "1st #1 on chart." Myself, it is not trivia but an important part of the country music year — i.e., when an artist reached his peak for the first time (or, in some cases, reach what would become his peak). We had also decided that, short of last/only No. 1 for a given artist, non-contiguous weeks at No. 1, the No. 1 song of the year and rare other exceptions, most of the information that was being included in the notes fields was trivia and needed to be excluded (or at least reserved for the song article's page). Briguy52748 (talk) 12:21, 8 July 2010 (UTC)]]
 * I agree with, and support Briguy52748.  Nowyouseeme talk2me  12:59, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Singles tables
Do these tables look the same? If not, which one looks better and why? Eric444 (talk) 06:54, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Table 2

 * They are almost the same, but the second one is better because the US & CAN columns are the same width as US Country & CAN Country. NOWucme(NOWudont)  talk 2 me♂♂ 13:44, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your input. Do the column titles in the first table appear left of center too? I'd be interested to hear how others see the two tables, because I think 35 is too narrow for country peaks, but another user maintains that it makes no difference. Eric444 (talk) 16:29, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Now that I see them both together to compare, I do kind of see a difference. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 18:47, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
 * In my opinion, I think I prefer Table #2, but either is fine as little difference is visible. CloversMallRat (talk) 03:06, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Succession boxes
There has been some discussion regarding the use/need of succession boxes in articles for songs and albums that have reached number one on various charts. Since consensus on their removal would affect many country-related articles, I wanted to link to that discussion. Your comments are very much welcome. Go to WP talk:MOS (charts). --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (talk) 23:34, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I think they should stay; they help with navigation and link to articles that list number ones for that year (ex. List of number-one country hits of 2009 (U.S.)). Also many number one country music articles are currently stubs, and removing succession boxes would make those articles even smaller.  Nowyouseeme  talk2me  00:43, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Also you can just imagine the labor and time it would take.  Nowyouseeme talk2me  01:07, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree w/ what Nowyouseeme said. CloversMallRat (talk) 01:23, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
 * A stub with or without succession boxes is still a stub. Your concerns should really be taken to the link I directed you to. There are a number of issues with succession boxes for #1's that are discussed there. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (talk) 22:53, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

RFC regarding use of succession boxes in song and album articles
In case you haven't been notified individually, an RFC is taking place at WT:CHARTS to discuss the merits of their use. Interested parties are encouraged to participate. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (talk) 10:18, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Singles tables
Do these tables look the same? If not, which one looks better and why? Eric444 (talk) 06:54, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Table 2

 * They are almost the same, but the second one is better because the US & CAN columns are the same width as US Country & CAN Country. NOWucme(NOWudont)  talk 2 me♂♂ 13:44, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your input. Do the column titles in the first table appear left of center too? I'd be interested to hear how others see the two tables, because I think 35 is too narrow for country peaks, but another user maintains that it makes no difference. Eric444 (talk) 16:29, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Now that I see them both together to compare, I do kind of see a difference. EnDaLeCoMpLeX (talk) 18:47, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
 * In my opinion, I think I prefer Table #2, but either is fine as little difference is visible. CloversMallRat (talk) 03:06, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Notes field in No. 1 songs boxes
A couple of days ago, on the List of number-one country hits of 2010 (U.S.) page, there was an edit war over whether to include a piece of information about the No. 1 song "Gimmie That Girl" by Joe Nichols. An editor had wished to list one of the song's writers (Rhett Akins), reasoning that he had a previous No. 1 hit as a performer, and that made said information notable. Apparently, some other editors disagreed and tried to have the information removed. An edit war resulted, and the page is currently locked from editing. I understand that this WikiProject is inactive at the moment, but I wanted to turn somewhere to help resolve this debate and set some sort of procedure for handling miscellaneous information in the "notes" section of these No. 1 songs tables. I want to know what you think — should we include "notes" (i.e., truly notable information, as what we have tried to do by indicating whether the song was the first or last No. 1 for a particular artist, the No. 1 song of the year, etc., and exclude other indiscriminate trivia), or do away with this field altogether and just list the song, artist and weeks at No. 1. Myself, I'm not totally against these fields so long as the information is kept under control by including select information (as indicated just a sentence ago — whether the song was the first, last or only No. 1 for an artist, was named the No. 1 song of the year by Billboard magazine, and so forth. I still need to figure out the "so forth," and since I need to get to work here for my job, I'll ponder a list and then try to list my recommendations. However, information such as the songwriter — the issue at the crux of the edit war I referenced above — belongs on that particular song's page in most cases (yes, there are exceptions, and we can discuss them here). Meanwhile, I'm interested in your thoughts and resolving this issue so we can move forward. Briguy52748 (talk) 12:18, 4 May 2010 (UTC)]]
 * Do we even need a notes section at all? None of the other lists of number-one songs use notes sections, so I don't think the country one should either. If a song held #1 non-contiguously, we can put that in a footnote. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 16:15, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I second TenPoundHammer on completely removing the special notes, he uses the same reasoning that I did on Talk:List of number-one country hits of 2010 (U.S.), no other genres' list of number-one songs have these notes and country music shouldn't be treated any differently. I think that footnotes would be perfectly adequate for noting important infomation, like if a song broke any records or was the Billboard song of the year, whereas certain less important information (such as "First No. 1 since ...." or notable co-writers) may be better suited for the specific songs article. NOWucme(NOWudont)  talk 2 me 16:27, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed. The only things that should need footnotes are non-contiguous runs ("Song fell to #2 on the week of x and returned to #1 on the week of Y"), number-one songs of the year, and maybe one or two other things. "First #1 since x," "co-written by x," etc. are too much. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 18:41, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I kinda liked having the notation that the song is their first number one hit/how long since their last one, but now that you point it out that is something that could be left for the article page. But under no circumstances should there be absolutely useless trivia such as co-writers names. Seriously, who gives a frick if another country artist wrote the song? And limiting that even further to whether they had a #1 hit in the past is pretty lame as well. CloversMallRat (talk) 23:02, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
 * So basically, what I'm reading from TenPoundHammer, NOWucme(NOWudont) is kind of along the lines of waht I'm thinking as well — the "notes" field being reserved for truly notable information, such as whether a song broke a given record, was the Billboard No. 1 song of the year, non-contiguous weeks at No. 1, etc., which is ironically how it began for the most part. I'd probably also add whether the given song was a first, last or only No. 1 hit for the given artist, as has already been the practice; that information should be part of "the year in music" — who had their breakthrough No. 1, their only shining moment atop the chart, or enjoyed their last No. 1 hit. In addition, I think a note might be needed to distinguish two separate songs with an identical title if both were major hits (for example, "How Was I to Know" was the title of different songs by Reba McEntire and John Michael Montgomery in 1997, Reba's a No. 1 hit and John Michael's a top 5 hit), as not everyone who reads these pages may be a country music fan and, absent a note, could easily conclude that one artist or the other covered a song with that name. I had thought about the co-writers, etc., notes a little more, and considered an exception for somone who is not normally involved in country music, or even music for that matter, but that might encourage contributions that led us to this debate and best suited for the song article's page — in other words, keep co-writers out altogether. Other than the few exceptions I've noted, I think the "notes" section should be left blank for the most part. Meanwhile, I'm interested in other thoughts. Briguy52748 (talk) 12:41, 6 May 2010 (UTC)]]


 * It should look just like this, except for the References column replaced with Notes. Fortunately the scenario that you keep bringing up with John Michael Montgomery & Reba rarely happens, the only recent instance of two major country songs having the same title that comes to mind is "I Told You So" (Keith Urban & Carrie Underwood), so that isn't really a problem. NOWucme(NOWudont)  talk 2 me 18:08, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
 * And does anyone know if "Consider Me Gone" broke any records? It kinda seems like it could have to me. NOWucme(NOWudont)  talk 2 me 18:15, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
 * NOWucme — Songs named "I Told You So" (one by Keith Urban and the other by Carrie Underwood) were released and peaked in different years (Keith's in 2007, Carrie's in 2009), so no notes are needed there. However, it is appropriate for "How Was I to Know" since songs of that title by Reba McEntire and John Michael Montgomery both peaked in 1997 (see the difference), although admittedly a link to each song in this instance could help some readers discern that both songs are different. Then again, there still might be confusion by the reader who decides not to click on to each song link. The only other "notes" that I think would warrant an exception would apply mainly to years where 7-inch vinyl singles were still being released (i.e., prior to the early 1990s), when a flip side sometimes peaked on another Billboard chart. An example: Anne Murray's "He Thinks I Still Care" peaked at No. 1 on the country chart in 1974, while that single's B-side, "You Won't See Me" (no pun intended, NOWucme, but the cover of the Lennon-McCartney song), was a No. 8 hit on the Billboard Hot 100. How often that happened would need to be researched, but I do think it's rare. Briguy52748 (talk) 21:11, 8 May 2010 (UTC)]]


 * I disagree that it should look like that format; the one present looks much better overall. And I agree completely with what Briguy has said; the notes section should contain anything noteworthy including the status of the #1 (their first/last, etc.), but excluding trivial info that doesn't relate to the song's success, such as who wrote it. CloversMallRat (talk) 21:42, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * As far as breaking any records with "Consider Me Gone," it was the first time a woman over the age of 50 had reached #1 on the country chart. And its the first time since September 2005 (Sara Evans' "A Real Fine Place to Start") that a solo female other than Taylor Swift & Carrie Underwood reached #1. CloversMallRat (talk) 21:48, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * CloversMallRat — The notation about Reba McEntire's "records" with "Consider Me Gone" would be irrelevant since: 1. Dolly Parton (although she provided only harmony vocals on Brad Paisley's "When I Get Where I'm Going") is credited as the oldest female to hit No. 1 (at age 60), and 2. Whether a limited number of solo female vocalists had No. 1's in the 4-year, 3-month interim (October 2005 through January 2010) really didn't have much, if any, bearing on the success of Reba McEntire's "Consider Me Gone." The only time where a note to such effect would be appropriate is if Sara Evans were the last solo female vocalist to have a No. 1 hit before "Consider Me Gone" peaked (i.e., Carrie and Taylor never reached No. 1 with any of their songs), but that didn't hppen. Briguy52748 (talk) 21:11, 8 May 2010 (UTC)]]
 * Oh, and if there was a much longer span between two No. 1 hits by a given artist would a note be relevant — say, at least a 10 years, or if it's a record holder (as would be the case for Elvis Presley's "Moody Blue," which on the Hot Country Singles chart came nearly 19 years after his last No. 1 country hit, "Jailhouse Rock"). Again, it's time to decide what the consensus is and close this out this debate if there aren't any more comments. Briguy52748 (talk) 19:46, 10 May 2010 (UTC)]]

Chart history
Here


 * A  ^ Important information blah blah.

Hot 100 peaks
This is slightly off-topic, but since we're not including a CAN peak column anymore, is it worth including a column for Hot 100 peaks like so (or is that just more trivia)? I also don't think a references column is a bad idea. Eric444 (talk) 02:30, 7 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't think thats directly relevant, being as country singles are specifically released for airplay on the genre chart, crossing over to the Hot 100 based mainly on downloads. CloversMallRat (talk) 21:44, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * A song's peak on the Billboard Hot 100 — with the possible (and I mean possible) exception of said song reaching No. 1 on that chart — is irrelevant to note in the notes section. Otherwise, I don't know. Anyone for more opinions? Briguy52748 (talk) 21:12, 8 May 2010 (UTC)]]
 * The only other thing I can think of relating to CloversMallRat's comments is, do we know for sure how a given song reached the Billboard Hot 100? While downloads may very well be the main reason for Hot 100 peaks for many of the songs listed, I do know that, for instance, "Need You Now" by Lady Antebellum received substantial airplay on Top 40/CHR/adult contemporary radio stations, so — without looking — I'm sure there are a number of criteria used (other than just airplay or just downloads) that enables a given song to reach the Hot 100 (but then again, that's a topic for another forum). Otherwise, I stand behind my assertion at this time that, unless it reaches No. 1 on the Hot 100, a song's Hot 100 peak isn't all that important. If my mind changes, I'll post it. Briguy52748 (talk) 21:18, 8 May 2010 (UTC)]]

Time to reach a consensus
Have we come to a consensus on what should and should not be included in the notes field of the table? If not, I think it's about time to come to one, state it, and then apply the appropriate changes to the X-year in country music/No. 1 hits of X-year articles. If anyone wants to comment further, let's hear them. Briguy52748 (talk) 12:26, 10 May 2010 (UTC)]]
 * I suggest including notes only for non-consecutive Number One runs and Number One songs of the year. If a song set some sort of record (e.g. "Find Out Who Your Friends Are"), then that should be noted only in the song's article. Don't include the Hot 100 peaks in the table. Lists such as 2010 in music suggest including only a very small, lean amount of information. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 22:44, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
 * We should keep the information pertaining to the Number One hit, ie: last #1, first #1, etc. But we should remove any trivial information such as songwriters. CloversMallRat (talk) 17:32, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree with CloversMallRat and some of what TenPoundHammer said. Notes pertaining to truly notable records (such as longevity at No. 1, weeks taken to reach No. 1, etc.), I believe, are part of the "year in music" and can be kept brief in the notes field, although said records can be explained further in the song article. But as far as songwriter info and miscellaneous info, that belongs only in the song article itself. Other extreme examples where notes may be required — such as the example I brought up about "How Was I to Know" having two different songs in the same year — should be handled on a case-by-case basis, although it leans more toward leaving it to the song article only. Otherwise, once final consensus is reached, we should patrol these articles and ensure that editors are adhering to it. Briguy52748 (talk) 16:08, 17 May 2010 (UTC)]]
 * I think that sums it up pretty well, and the #1 hits of 2010 list looks a lot cleaner now. CloversMallRat (talk) 19:58, 17 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't see a consensus on including "1st #1 on chart" under notes section. It's purely trivia and doesn't belong. Instead of a notes section, there should be a references section. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (talk) 05:37, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars — OK, what do you consider "consensus", and why do you think including "1st #1 on chart" is "trivia"? Unless I am mistaken, I thought we had reached it regarding "1st #1 on chart." Myself, it is not trivia but an important part of the country music year — i.e., when an artist reached his peak for the first time (or, in some cases, reach what would become his peak). We had also decided that, short of last/only No. 1 for a given artist, non-contiguous weeks at No. 1, the No. 1 song of the year and rare other exceptions, most of the information that was being included in the notes fields was trivia and needed to be excluded (or at least reserved for the song article's page). Briguy52748 (talk) 12:21, 8 July 2010 (UTC)]]
 * I agree with, and support Briguy52748.  Nowyouseeme talk2me  12:59, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Succession boxes
There has been some discussion regarding the use/need of succession boxes in articles for songs and albums that have reached number one on various charts. Since consensus on their removal would affect many country-related articles, I wanted to link to that discussion. Your comments are very much welcome. Go to WP talk:MOS (charts). --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (talk) 23:34, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I think they should stay; they help with navigation and link to articles that list number ones for that year (ex. List of number-one country hits of 2009 (U.S.)). Also many number one country music articles are currently stubs, and removing succession boxes would make those articles even smaller.  Nowyouseeme  talk2me  00:43, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Also you can just imagine the labor and time it would take.  Nowyouseeme talk2me  01:07, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree w/ what Nowyouseeme said. CloversMallRat (talk) 01:23, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
 * A stub with or without succession boxes is still a stub. Your concerns should really be taken to the link I directed you to. There are a number of issues with succession boxes for #1's that are discussed there. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (talk) 22:53, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

RFC regarding use of succession boxes in song and album articles
In case you haven't been notified individually, an RFC is taking place at WT:CHARTS to discuss the merits of their use. Interested parties are encouraged to participate. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (talk) 10:18, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Billboard Decade-End as a parallel to Billboard Year-End
Please comment at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Music so that all discussion is in one place.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:52, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Willie Nelson/GA2
Willie Nelson is going through a GAN, and is on hold for an initial seven days to allow issues, mainly prose, to be addressed. Help is requested and welcome.  SilkTork  *Tea time 17:57, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Articles for review blogs?
In articles about singles, many times blogs like The9513, Roughstock, and Country Universe are referenced. Would it be worthwhile to make articles for the bloges/websites since they come up in the critical reception portion of articles for recent singles? Gilliganfanatic 23:32, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Lyrics for "Curly Joe from Idaho"
anybody know the lyrics for "Curly Joe from Idaho"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.145.168.74 (talk • contribs)
 * Try a search engine. -- Jrtayloriv (talk) 07:23, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Sons of the Pioneers
On the The Sons of the Pioneers page, paragraph 2 currently starts off rather 'out-of-the-blue' with "When Rogers began his film career," and paragraph 10 states that he was the last survivor of the original group, but Roy Rogers is not listed as an original member in paragraph 1. The discussion page there states it's within the scope of the WikiProject Country Music collaboration, so I brought my concern here. Thanks. Darr247 (talk) 18:34, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Critical Reception Section For Albums/Singles
As someone that has written some scholarly papers, I am often appalled at what is deemed to be credible information on some of the country music pages. The biggest issue I have is with the "Critical Reception" section for albums and singles. Specifically, why are blogs included in this section? For example, I have noticed that the blog "The 9513" is referenced heavily throughout the country music pages. What credibility does that site have? It is a blog. I love the internet, but the fact is that everyone and anyone on the internet can get a blog going, subsequently creating a ridiculous number of wannabe reporters. I strongly believe that blog reviews need to be removed--or at a bare minimum, used at an absolute minimum--because they do no provide any credible substance to the album and singles pages. If the goal is to improve the coverage of articles related to country music on Wikipedia, more credible information--and not the opinion of bloggers--should be the goal. Hldc1 (talk) 19:06, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Blogs are not good referances and I would recomend deleting any info derived from them on the count of original research or simply due to lack of a reliable source.Moxy (talk) 20:29, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

Boudleaux Bryant - Felice Bryant
I believe they also wrote 'Tina' recorded by THE EASY RIDERS in aboout 1957. T. Hunter — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.81.143.161 (talk) 21:05, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Pageview stats
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Johnny & Jonie Article
The article on Johnny & Jonie Mosby does, to the best of my knowledge, accurately state they were a Country Music husband and wife performing team. The article goes on to say "they split" in 1971 and follows by identifying the recordings Jonie released without Johnny following that. I am not going to dispute that either. However, my concern is in the broader interpretation of "they split in 1971." Johnny and Jonie bought a nightclub in Ventura known as the Ban-Dar. It was originally opened sometime around 1931, when Ventura County was active as an oil producing area, as well as an agricultural center. The Ban-Dar had a long history as a dance club. while the Mosby's owned the Ban-Dar, Johnny Cash owned a home in Ojai, just north of Ventura off of California Highway 33. Sheb Wooley was also said to own property near that owned by Johnny Cash, as was Desi Arnez. Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson, and Merle Haggard, along with other Country musicians were all have said to stop in periodically when they were in the area and sit in with the house band. According to an article referenced on-line from the Los Angeles Times about demolition of the building, Richard Pryor also used to occasionally do guest appearances there and try out new material before going on tour with it. As late as the middle of 1989, and the club was referred to as "Johnny and Jonie Mosby's Ban-Dar". They may have stopped recording together in 1971, but I am not aware of any split in their marriage. The Ban-Dar building was taken down in September of 2002. On-line archives reference articles dated September 17th, 2002 for both the Ventura Star Free Press and the Los Angeles Times. It is just a little thing, but out of respect for them as performers and as owners of one of Country Music's legendary old honky-tonks, I would like to see the article reflect the split was as performing act, not as husband and wife. Thank you. OldGreyBeard47 (talk) 06:09, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Festivals
Hey guys. I have done some expansion work on the Stagecoach Festival and Country Thunder pages and wanted to see if that usually falls in the scope of what goes on with this project. I know that I at least enjoy going to concerts and festivals, so that is something I like and would like to get involved. Laundry Week (talk) 22:21, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry if this is the wrong place to put this comment, but I figured this place was as good as any. Laundry Week (talk) 22:22, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Give It Away
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Ring of Fire
The usage of Ring of Fire is under discussion, see talk:Ring of Fire (song) -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 01:11, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Eagles
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Bluegrass project
Dear Country music enthusiasts: I am thinking of starting a Bluegrass music Wikiproject. There are about 500 pages that link to the Bluegrass music page, and there are more bluegrass related articles out there that don't link to this page. Over half of the ones I've looked at need serious improvement in referencing.

I know that there is an overlap among both musicians and tunes between traditional country and bluegrass, so I thought that I should check to see if this would present a conflict. It seems that you have at least 2000 articles to monitor; maybe a separate Bluegrass project could take a few of these off your hands. I looked through this project's talk page and found only one bluegrass discussion and a couple of announcements, so I presume that your current project participants are mainly interested in mainstream Country music topics.

I've been starting to categorize some of the Bluegrass topics on this page: User:Anne Delong/Bluegrass Topics. I haven't started on the bands or musicians yet.

If you have an opinion, yes or no, about whether I should start this project, or if you would like to take part, please leave a note on this talk page: User talk:Anne Delong/Bluegrass Topics.

Looking forward to hearing from you. &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 00:05, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Vital articles
There is a discussion occuring here regarding which music articles should be deemed vital to the Wikipedia project. Your input would be appreciated. GabeMc (talk&#124;contribs)  21:56, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Discussion about "Mary Was the Marrying Kind" by singer Kip Moore
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Chet Flippo
His passing caused me to look him up here, and was very surprised there's no article. I hope someone with the requisite expertise puts one together.KD Tries Again (talk) 21:04, 24 June 2013 (UTC)KD Tries Again

Controversial racist song by Johnny Rebel
I did research to find out what release the racist song "Alabama Nigger" by Johnny Rebel (Clifford Joseph Trahan) appears on, but I haven't found anything reliable. He recorded the song with a group of singers. It's the only song he recorded with a group of other singers. I noticed that some download torrents have said the release is known as "Racist Songs", but not from any reliable sources. Torrents are not reliable sources, and it's likely that this alleged album doesn't exist. Does anyone know what actual release it appears on, who wrote it, or when it was released? 108.0.244.168 (talk) 08:21, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject Bluegrass Music

 * WikiProject Bluegrass Music? Talk to Anne Delong. &bull; Serviceable&dagger;Villain 02:56, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Johnny Cash
Extra eyes are needed on the Johnny Cash article, as Opus88888 has taken it upon himself to repeatedly blank out the referenced claim that Cash is "one of the most important artists of the 20th century", simply because Opus regards this as "exaggeration". My warnings to Opus have not been effective. --- The Old Jacobite The '45  14:26, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Sam M. Fleming
Hello. Would some of you be able to add referenced info about Sam M. Fleming's role in financing the country music industry and attracting country music stars as clients to his bank? Would you be interested in creating a page for Castle Recording as well? Thank you.Zigzig20s (talk) 22:44, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

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RFC of general interest to this group.
See Talk:Eagles (band). Thank you in advance for your participation. -- Jayron  32  23:29, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Charlie Dick
Hello, country music experts! Is this person notable enough to be the subject of an article, or should this be redirected to Patsy Cline? &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 10:18, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

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Comment on the WikiProject X proposal
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Kasey Lansdale
Dear Country Music fans: I came across this article because a draft of it was declined at AfC some time ago, and then the information was pasted here. I have removed some particularly inappropriate references and some promotional language, but it could use some cleanup attention from someone more familiar with country music articles. I am hoping someone here will take an interest. &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 17:28, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

GAR
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Portal:Carrie Underwood
Hey, I have tried to start a portal for the Country singer Carrie Underwood but I don't have the skills , I hope people on here could help me with it. The reason it has a significance is because Carrie has transformed into one of the greatest female country singers and having 14 country number 1s and counting. I really hope that we can help with making this portal. I also would love someone to update the Portal:Country Music as well thank you. Vip Country (talk) 12:28, 2 January 2015 (UTC)Vip Country

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List of awards and nominations received by Garth Brooks
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Early years
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New book: Czech Bluegrass: Notes from the Heart of Europe
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Background
On April 8th, 2018, an RfC ("Request for comment") proposal was made to eliminate all portals and the portal namespace. On April 17th, the Portals WikiProject was rebooted to handle the revitalization of the portal system. On May 12th, the RfC was closed with the result to keep portals, by a margin of about 2 to 1 in favor of keeping portals.

There's an article in the current edition of the Signpost interviewing project members about the RfC and the Portals WikiProject.

Since the reboot, the Portals WikiProject has been busy building tools and components to upgrade portals.

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Thank you. &mdash; The Transhumanist  10:55, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Tomato-gate
I don't know very much about county music, but anyone who does is welcome to the article. Looking to maybe send to DYK in a few days. G M G <sup style="color:#000;font-family:Impact">talk  19:40, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

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What song is this? I plan on editing its article or creating it if there isn't one. -- Flooded w/ them 100s  06:34, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

A new newsletter directory is out!
A new Newsletter directory has been created to replace the old, out-of-date one. If your WikiProject and its taskforces have newsletters (even inactive ones), or if you know of a missing newsletter (including from sister projects like WikiSpecies), please include it in the directory! The template can be a bit tricky, so if you need help, just post the newsletter on the template's talk page and someone will add it for you.
 * – Sent on behalf of Headbomb. 03:11, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of Portal:Country music for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether Portal:Country music is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The page will be discussed at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Country music until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the page during the discussion, including to improve the page to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the deletion notice from the top of the page. North America1000 18:01, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

GAR
The Boxmasters, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for an individual good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 21:50, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

The Spurs up for deletion
Canadian Country Music group. Charted, but sources and sourcing is thin. <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 16:01, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

Request for information on WP1.0 web tool
Hello and greetings from the maintainers of the WP 1.0 Bot! As you may or may not know, we are currently involved in an overhaul of the bot, in order to make it more modern and maintainable. As part of this process, we will be rewriting the web tool that is part of the project. You might have noticed this tool if you click through the links on the project assessment summary tables.

We'd like to collect information on how the current tool is used by....you! How do you yourself and the other maintainers of your project use the web tool? Which of its features do you need? How frequently do you use these features? And what features is the tool missing that would be useful to you? We have collected all of these questions at this Google form where you can leave your response. Walkerma (talk) 04:24, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Request for assistance on Carter family articles
Hi, I've been trying to assist with an editing dispute at Anita Carter. Basically, a series of IP edits have inflated the article hugely over the past couple of weeks from very much a fan POV. Myself and another editor have agreed to revert to a version from 20 December, after a frustrating discussion on the Talk page. We want the article to be better, just in a more neutral way. I think the editor or editors who have been adding POV content could have a useful contribution to make, but only if we can ensure a more encyclopedic approach. In looking into the situation there, I noticed that much the same happened at Maybelle Carter some months ago, so I will be putting cleanup tags on that article also. Help is requested from topic-knowledgeable editors. Thank you FrankP (talk) 19:39, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

Error in a link on the Dillards
Among the veterans of the Dillards band, Ray Parks is listed as a fiddle player. Unfortunately, the link on Ray Parks takes you too a Scottish martial artist. I don’t know how to fix the incorrect link but I do know that Ray Parks is actually a California fiddler, well known for his band with mandolinist Vern Williams, called Vern and Ray. Ray is the author of many songs including the prescient “Is it too late?” about environmental degradation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.39.247.4 (talk) 19:36, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Inactivity
Why is this project inactive? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 00:48, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

Lulu Belle and Scotty
I know it says this project is inactive, but I'm hoping someone here can help. The page on Lulu Belle and Scotty needs someone to look at it. At the beginning it says Myrtle Eleanor Cooper was Lulu Belle, and then under the career tab it says Marcella Squires was Lulu Belle. I don't know enough to know what is correct. IMDB lists Myrtle Wiseman (nee Cooper) as playing Lulu Belle in 7 movies between 1938 and 1944. And she would be the wife to Scott Wiseman, aka "Scotty". However, a search for Marcella Squires brings up a 2019 obituary that states "She played Lulubelle on the Lulubelle and Scotty radio program".

Now, it's very possible that Myrtle Wiseman was perhaps unable to appear on the radio for a period of time, and they might have chosen Marcella Squires to perform the role for a period of time. But that's just speculation on my part. Regardless, the page can't stay the way it is right now. Anyone know anything more?Zhinz (talk) 04:14, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Anybody else willing to bring this project back to life
Hi, I'm interested in old time country music and would like to assist here in my spare time - I have absolutely no clue about how to get a project back up and running (I saw this project banner when tagging a Buck Owens song article on New Page Patrol). Any thoughts or advice JW 1961   Talk  18:24, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Just update the status on the main page, have someone remove "inactive" from the WikiProject Country Music template banner, continue to be active in the project, and I'll think you'll be fine. Star cheers peaks news lost wars Talk to me 23:40, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
 * , Thanks for that advice JW 1961   Talk  22:54, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Bill Owens (songwriter)
I recently created an article for Bill Owens (songwriter), the uncle of Dolly Parton. Any help with the article would be appreciated. Thank you! Thriley (talk) 05:25, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, Thriley welcome to this project page. Glad to help you get started with Bill Owens (songwriter). I added some content and a source. Try using google books and other sources that are on the tag at the top of your article. I'll check your progress from time to time. The information is out there, but the challenge you face is to show that the Owens is notable on his own, not just because of his family connection with Dolly Parton.  Good luck, Eagledj (talk) 17:01, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Assistance with new version of Mark David Bright (producer) article and adding new sources...
I am updating a page for Mark David Bright (producer) that has been on Wikipedia since 2012. The advice I received from Wikipedia support was to make a post here, asking for assistance with the new version of the article I am working on (in addition to adding new sources). Please see the new article below:

—ClericalEditor (talk) 18:08, 30 November 2016 (UTC)


 * I did a lot of work on that article in 2017. It is now named Mark Bright (record producer).  Eagledj (talk) 03:20, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Country Music 1942-44
After months of research, I am getting ready to revise the 1943 year in Country music. As some may know, the first Folk-Hillbilly chart was published by Billboard in the Jan 8 1944 issue. But Billboard had been collecting reports nationwide going back to at least 1942, and publishing the information weekly or semi-weekly. I started out trying to repair the beginning of the 1944 chart. which I can easily do now, but I was surprised to find much more information on popular juke box records, with detailed descriptions of their surveys. It is by no means a rock-solid account, but after collecting the results in spreadsheet charts, I have a very useful list, all linked to published references. I have all the pages from "The Billboard" I am basing this on if anybody is interested. If my information is not useful here, I won't mind, I started out doing this for myself, and thought I could improve our pages. Thanks DaveTillywilly17 (talk) 17:13, 17 June 2021 (UTC) Talk:1943_in_country_music

Updated, will start putting ideas and info on talk page. It can be applied to different types of pages. I have immersed myself in the time period 1939-1944, Ernest Tubb, Al Dexter, WWII Hillbilly! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tillywilly17 (talk • contribs) 15:04, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

RfC on the reliability of Business Insider
Hello! I have started an RfC about the reliability of Business Insider for sourcing in music related articles. This would have some impact (albeit most likely minor) on all music related articles. Feel free to comment at the RfC. -- The SandDoctor Talk 14:27, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Harold Morrison Page
I have just submitted a page for consideration for long-time banjo player and steel guitarist Draft:Harold Ralph Morrison, who was known as a comedian and great talent on the banjo. I have never submitted a page for Wikipedia before, so we'll see how many rookie mistakes I make before I can clear the initial hurdle, but any recommendations or suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dsfulker (talk • contribs) 19:22, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Money On You
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Money On You that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — Shibboleth ink  (♔ ♕) 02:08, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Joshua Scott Jones AFC Submission
I'd love comments, a reviewer, or additional edits for my Draft: Joshua Scott Jones AFC submission. Cteddie1 (talk) 15:58, 11 October 2021 (UTC)cteddie1

I Know One written by Jack Clement
This song has a page in Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Know_One. It gives the impression that Charley Pride is the original artist to record this song. However, Jim Reeves had a hit with it in 1960 as the b-side of "I'm Gettin' Better" (see for example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Reeves_discography#1960s). I have made some small edits on Wikipedia, but adding this information to the Charley Pride page or it's own page is beyond my editing abilities at this point. I just wanted to post the fact about the original recording of this song somewhere, and maybe someone else can add the information to the appropriate pages.TonyPole (talk) 15:27, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I've added just the most basic information, sourced to Discogs. It needs more info and a better source. GA-RT-22 (talk) 17:49, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Move discussion at The Cheap Seats
An editor has requested for The Cheap Seats to be moved to The Cheap Seats (song). Since you had some involvement with The Cheap Seats, you might want to participate in the move discussion (if you have not already done so). Happily888 (talk) 01:24, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Wrong link, the move discussion is at Talk:The Cheap Seats (Australian TV series). GA-RT-22 (talk) 22:27, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Talk:Sparks Fly (song)/GA2
Members of this WikiProject might be interested in the above GAR. <b style="color:#009900">SNUGGUMS</b> (<b style="color:#009900">talk</b> / <b style="color:#009900">edits</b>) 01:41, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:On Down the Line (album)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:On Down the Line (album) that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. UtherSRG (talk) 02:14, 7 October 2022 (UTC)

Old Dan Tucker under Featured Article Review
I have nominated Old Dan Tucker for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. George Ho (talk) 16:50, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Bob Miller AFC Submission
Obviously, I am a newbie. My recent Draft:Bob Miller (composer, born 1895) submission was changed after I submitted it to include the "composer, born 1895" bit. I realize this has to be done to disambiguate from all the Robert Miller entries. But I think "composer" is a little misleading in this case. Does anyone know how I can change it to be "songwriter, born 1895?" Or is "composer, born 1895" the best way to go? Joelcrob (talk) 15:31, 27 October 2021 (UTC)


 * The article can't be called "Bob Miller" because we already have Bob Miller, which redirects to Robert Miller, which is a disambiguation page. The convention around name disambiguation is at WP:NCPDAB. We already have Robert Miller (composer). When we have two people with the same disambiguating tag ("composer" in this case) we add the birth date, and that's what was done here. The other possibility would be Bob Miller (composer). I'm not sure which I prefer. GA-RT-22 (talk) 16:02, 27 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Or if you think "songwriter" is best I would go ahead and rename it (the "move" button) and maybe even leave out the "born 1895". If you do that, leave hatnotes on both pages. GA-RT-22 (talk) 16:05, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Don't forget music publishing and "Bob Miller, Inc." his publishing company
 * the man of many many pseudonyms Tillywilly17 (talk) 19:31, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Palmer Trio (Musical group)		Pseudonym on Bluebird, Sunrise issues for Bob Miller Trio.
 * Burnett Brothers (Vocal group)		Pseudonym on Vi 23745 for Bob Miller Trio.
 * Bob Miller Trio				Listing on Par R 1154 for Miller's Bullfrog Entertainers.
 * Sherman and Lee 			Listing  for Miller's Bullfrog Entertainers.
 * Sherman and Lee (Musical group)		Listing on VT and Cl issues for Miller's Bullfrog Tutters
 * Bob Ferguson and his Scalawaggers 	Pseudonym for Bob Miller and his Hinky Dinkers.
 * Bill Palmer (vocalist)		Pseudonym for Bob Miller.
 * Bob Ferguson (vocalist)		Pseudonym for Bob Miller.
 * Bob Kackley (vocalist)		Listing on OK 45531 for Bob Miller.
 * Bob Sherman (vocalist)		Listing on VT 2400-V and Cl 5336-C for Bob Miller.
 * Trebor Rellim (composer)	Pseudonym for Bob Miller.
 * Slick Palmer (vocalist)		Pseudonym on Sun S-3112, BB B-5012 and 1826 for Bob Miller.
 * Ben Weaver (vocalist)		Listing on OK 45531 for Barney Burnett.
 * Bud Skidmore (vocalist)	Pseudonym on Col 15761-D for Bob Miller
 * Miller and Burnett (Vocal group)
 * Bob Miller Trio
 * A. Sirillo (instrumentalist : guitar)
 * Bob Miller (vocalist)
 * Frank Novak (instrumentalist : violin)
 * Barney Burnett (instrumentalist : guitar) Tillywilly17 (talk) 19:37, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Along with Billy Hill and Carson Robison, Bob Miller was among the pioneering professional songwriters who specialized in what was then called hillbilly music. Miller wrote some of the biggest hits of the 1930s and '40s and was also a prolific recording artist.
 * Born in 1895 in Ansonia, Connecticut, Bob and his four siblings were placed in an orphanage in Memphis, Tennessee, around 1904 after their parents died in a house fire. By age 10, Bob, who was a formally trained musician, began working professionally as a pianist. In his early twenties, he performed in the dance band that sailed on the Mississippi River aboard the showboat Idlewild. He also worked in the Memphis nightclub Dreamland and opened his own Beale Street Music Shop.
 * In 1928, Miller moved to New York, where he initially worked as a copyist and arranger for Irving Berlin Music. He formed his own publishing company in 1933, and also worked as an A&R man and record producer for the Columbia and Okeh labels.
 * Bob Miller has more than a thousand registered song copyrights, although many of those are public-domain folk songs, Christmas carols and 19th-century Stephen Foster chestnuts that he arranged, rather than wrote. But he did truly compose a number of songs that became enormous country favorites.
 * His biggest early hit was the prison song "Twenty-One Years." During The Great Depression, this song was so popular and was sung by so many artists that Miller wrote a number of follow-up songs to it, including "Twenty-One Years, Part Two," "New Twenty-One Years," "Answer to Twenty-One Years," "Woman's Answer to Twenty-One Years," "After Twenty-One Years," "The End of Twenty-One Years" and "The Last of the Twenty-One Year Prisoner."
 * Similarly, "Seven Years with the Wrong Woman" was so omnipresent in Depression-era country music that it also spawned sequels. These included, inevitably, "Seven Years with the Wrong Man" and, humorously, "Seven Beers with the Wrong Woman" and "Seven Beers with the Wrong Man."
 * Perhaps his most enduring song from the Depression was the sentimental "Rocking Alone in an Old Rocking Chair," which is still sung by folk and country performers today.
 * Miller's activity in the 1940s was no less impressive. His million-selling "There's a Star Spangled Banner Waving Somewhere," recorded by Elton Britt, was one of the biggest hits of World War II. That song, too, spawned a sequel in 1960 when Dave McEnery combined Miller’s melody with new lyrics for "There's a Star Spangled Banner Waving Somewhere #2 - The Ballad of Francis Powers" in tribute to U-2 pilot Francis Gary Powers, whose plane was shot down over the Soviet Union. Miller’s "Chime Bells," also recorded by Elton Britt, became a yodeling standard.
 * Bob Miller wrote and recorded under a number of pseudonyms, including Shelby Darnell, Bob Kackley, Lawrence Wilson, Dinny Dimes and Trebor Rellim — which was his name spelled backwards. Tillywilly17 (talk) 19:39, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Bob was a very busy guy in the 1930s, not necessarily as a performer. My impression is that he generated a lot of income from music publishing. You have an extensive songwriting list, I am pretty
 * sure he published a lot of that music, too. Forgive me, I did a bunch of research months ago, and I am speaking from memory. If you are interested, I can send you a copy of my notes. Dave

I Want to Be a Cowboy's Sweetheart
 * "I Wanna Be a Cowboy's Sweetheart"
 * Song by Patsy Montana Acc. by Prairie Ramblers
 * B-side "Ridin' Old Paint"
 * Written 1934
 * Published 1935 Bob Miller, Inc. Universal - On Backstreet Music Inc. 1965
 * Released November 1935
 * Recorded August 16, 1935
 * Studio ARC Studios, New York City
 * Genre Country (Hillbilly), Western
 * Label Melotone 51156
 * Songwriter(s) Patsy Montana
 * Producer(s) Art Satherley Tillywilly17 (talk) 15:24, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

User script to detect unreliable sources
I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like and turns it into something like
 * John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.
 * John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.

It will work on a variety of links, including those from cite web, cite journal and doi.

The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.

- &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b}

This is a one time notice and can't be unsubscribed from. Delivered by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:01, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Country Music 1930
Regarding "1930 in Country Music", a significant omission is "When It's Springtime in the Rockies" by either Ford & Glenn or by Hilo Hawaiian Orch feat. Frank Luther & Carson Robison. You have included Carson Robison elsewhere but not here. As a country-tinged song, it was a megahit, second only to Prisoner's Song. Then Gene Autry also recorded the song in 1937. So "Rockies" belongs on the list both of these years, in my view. Also, how about some mention in the of George Reneau in 1924, 1925? Edward Foote Gardner, Author: Popular Songs of the Twentieth Century" Paragon House 2000 108.2.192.69 (talk) 22:47, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Deletions notice
Please see Templates for discussion/Log/2023 April 6 where several redirects to the project template are being considered for deletion.  P.I. Ellsworth &thinsp;, ed.  put'er there 21:08, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Project-independent quality assessments
Quality assessments by Wikipedia editors rate articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at Content assessment, but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent Village pump proposal was approved and has been implemented to add a class parameter to WikiProject banner shell, which can display a general quality assessment for an article, and to let project banner templates "inherit" this assessment.

No action is required if your wikiproject follows the standard assessment approach. Over time, quality assessments will be migrated up to WikiProject banner shell, and your project banner will automatically "inherit" any changes to the general assessments for the purpose of assigning categories.

However, if your project has decided to "opt out" and follow a non-standard quality assessment approach, all you have to do is modify your wikiproject banner template to pass WPBannerMeta a new custom parameter. If this is done, changes to the general quality assessment will be ignored, and your project-level assessment will be displayed and used to create categories, as at present. Aymatth2 (talk) 13:51, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Saving Country Music
We have an IP editor over at Lavender Country who really wants to include a negative review from the Saving Country Music blog. The last WP:RSN discussion of this blog, at WP:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_362, was not positive, and I have concerns about WP:FALSEBALANCE. But perhaps there is something I'm missing. Input from other editors with more experience in this subject area would be welcome. As this wikiproject looks fairly quiet, I'll also ping as the respondents in the RSN discussion. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 05:31, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Vital articles/Level/5 add/remove participation
Some country music expertise is needed for a complicated Add/Remove decision for
 * Add Faith Hill - 5 Grammys, 6 multiplatinum albums, 14 #1 singles as lead and 3 more as featured -TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:17, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Do It Anyway (album)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Do It Anyway (album) that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. estar8806 (talk) ★ 19:44, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

Mixed-gender band
I have promoted Mixed-gender band to mainspace, but it could use some expansion with respect to country music, with bands like Sugarland, Little Big Town, and Lady A in the mix. Cheers! BD2412 T 03:29, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Kasey Chambers "Dragonfly" album
I'm not competent to make an edit on an article. Could someone make it for me? In the article about Kasey Chambers' album "Dragonfly", I wanted to add that the album art is a portrait of Kasey by David Bromley. [1 ] Also, the music video for the single "Satellite" was filmed at David Bromley's property in Daylesford, Victoria, and directed by Duncan Toombs and David Bromley.[2 ] 120.17.239.209 (talk) 23:38, 13 November 2023 (UTC)