Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Creationism/Archive 1

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WP:YEC
WikiProject Young Earth Creationism is on the verge of going live, if you are interested in joining please follow the link above. We will be cooperating extensively with this WikiProject..-- Novus Orator 06:29, 8 November 2010 (UTC)


 * This purported 'Wikiproject' has not been proposed (let alone accepted) via the proper forum, WP:WikiProject Council/Proposals -- it therefore has no legitimate existence. It has only a single member/creator (who 'retired' one account (User:Gniniv) and created another part way through creating this purported 'Wikiproject'). It has therefore been userfied, per consultation with another experienced editor (Hans Adler) on its talkpage. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 06:47, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The Wikiproject has been proposed here, and it is in the process of getting members...-- Novus Orator 06:53, 8 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Only after it was userfied. And I would note that you have failed to create a normal proposal (example: WP:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Cambridgeshire) for it. I would also suggest editors read this comment and view Terra Novus/Gniniv's past activities before joining. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 07:03, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I just took a look at their contributions and what I saw supported my initial hunch: there is a pattern of supporting pseudosciences of all stripes. For example, there's Interpretive science, which is some sort of postmodern joke. Dylan Flaherty (talk) 07:11, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * You are free to hold that opinion. Wikipedia welcomes editors of all backgrounds. Feel free to consider joining this project once it gets going so we have a critical perspective..-- Novus Orator 07:17, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The normal proposal has been created here. Please move all discussion there..-- Novus Orator 07:19, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Formal proposal to expand this Wikiproject to the wider topic of creationism

 * This idea has been raised twice in the past, with no dissent, but with very little comment:
 * WT:WikiProject intelligent design/Archive 2 by John Carter
 * WT:WikiProject intelligent design/Archive 4 by myself.
 * The idea has been raised again in WP:WikiProject Council/Proposals/WikiProject Young Earth Creationism.

I am therefore raising it a third time, so "speak now or forever hold your peace" -- WP:SILENCE will apply.

My rationales for this are: HrafnTalkStalk(P) 04:46, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) Taking WP:MERGE as vaguely-relevant, rationales #2 'Overlap' -- ID is explicitly a 'big tent' creationist movement, and has many YECs & OECs in its fold; #4 'Context' -- ID can best be described as one of the more recent evolutions of Creationism, not as a movement that sprang forth without any precursors.
 * 2) The fact that the IDM movement generally doesn't even explicitly mention ID any more -- using code-phrases like 'strengths and weaknesses' and 'academic freedom' instead.
 * 3) The fact that most ID articles are fairly stable, and in a number of cases becoming somewhat stale, due to lack of ongoing coverage -- resulting in their being merged into more general articles.
 * 4) The fact that many editors active on ID are already active on Creationism generally.

Supporting

 * HrafnTalkStalk(P) 04:46, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
 * --Taiwan boi (talk) 13:42, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
 * -- Novus Orator 07:40, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * --Charles (talk) 10:30, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Totnesmartin (talk) 10:27, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Cerebellum (talk) 18:40, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Discussion

 * As the proposed expansion seems likely to pass, I've taken the liberty of creating a proposed revised template to reflect this expansion at WikiProject Intelligent design/sandbox, which has ID & YEC as task forces within the project. Most of the links from it are of course red-linked, until a post-expansion rename, but if anybody wants to check the syntax (and/or debate any underlying assumptions), I'd be happy for the input. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 07:20, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I've implemented the expansion. If anybody notices any cockups, please let me know. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 12:26, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Image discussion
An Image discussion is ongoing at Template talk:Intelligent Design regarding the watch image used. If changed, IMO the change should also be rolled out to the following: KillerChihuahua ?!?Advice 01:02, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * WikiProject intelligent design
 * WikiProject Intelligent design
 * User WikiProject Intelligent design

Articles page
WikiProject Creationism/Articles hasn't been updated in three years. And to be honest, I don't really think keeping it up to date is worth the trouble -- that's what categories are for. I'm therefore WP:BOLDly tagging it as 'historical' & removing tasks related to it from the project page. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 05:02, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

I've found out that you can insert an automatic 'category tree' of articles into a page, so I've replaced the manual list with it. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 07:24, 19 January 2011 (UTC)