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Edward Barrett (cricketer, born 1846)
Hello all. I was in the middle of attempting to expand the article on the above cricketer, when I noticed the London Gazette reference referring to his wife, Ella. In it, her late husband is identified as "Colonel Edward Barrett". Interestingly, a search for Colonel Edward Barrett on the BNA brings up a chairman of the Farnham United Breweries, which would make sense as he was a Farnham man. CI and CA have his dates of birth and death as follows: 11 June 1846 – 23 December 1923. A notice of death in the BNA records his death from a motor accident as occurring on 19 January 1922, aged 67, making his year of birth 1854 or 1855. Is it likely CA and CI have the dates for a different Edward Barrett? An 1854/55 DOB would also make more sense, as his FC debut was 1885, making him more likely to debut at 29/30 than over 40. Thoughts? AA (talk) 19:36, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * His son's Cheltenham entry gives his father's address as Sandbanks in Dorset, where the inquest into Colonel Edward Barrett notes his residence as being... gotta be the same guy! AA (talk) 20:11, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Seems likely. wjematherplease leave a message... 12:10, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for finding this. I'm going to have to find a way around WP:ORIGINAL here! AA (talk) 16:07, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Articles for Future ICC events
There's no point in creating stub-class articles for future ICC events; they only have confirmed hosts, other than that not even the format is confirmed. Take a look at the following pages, A consensus should be made on when new articles for future events should be created... Vestrian24Bio ( TALK  ) 10:47, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * 2026 ICC Women's T20 World Cup (just a stub)
 * 2028 ICC Men's T20 World Cup (even the given format is just speculation)
 * 2029 ICC Champions Trophy (redirect; look at past revision)
 * 2030 ICC Men's T20 World Cup (redirect; look at past revision)
 * 2031 Cricket World Cup (redirected after AfD; past revision)


 * I'd suggest that the new articles should only be created when the qualification process for the event commences, then only we could know confirmed format, qualification scenario etc. Until then, they should remain as redirects. Vestrian24Bio ( TALK  ) 10:50, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Create a page on World Championship Of Legends (WCL) 2024
There are approved pages of retired players t20 cricket league on wikipedia like Legends League Cricket, World Masters League T20 and Road Safety World Series, etc. This tournament is similar to the above tournaments.

Add this tournament page to category 2024 in English Cricket.

The tournament is approved by the England & Wales Cricket Board (ECB), it will be played at Edgbaston Cricket Ground in the United Kingdom. The WCL will feature teams from India, Pakistan, Australia, England, West Indies and South Africa.

The tournament will feature a host of cricket legends from these six nations. From India - Yuvraj Singh, Harbhajan Singh and Suresh Raina are some of the big names who will play in the WCL 2024.

Apart from these stalwarts, other international stars like Brett Lee, Aaron Finch, Shaun Marsh, Ben Cutting, Shahid Afridi, Shoaib Malik, Younis Khan, Jacques Kallis, JP Duminy, Dale Steyn, Chris Gayle, Daren Sammy, Dwayne Smith, Kevin Pietersen, Ian Bell, Ravi Bopara and Samit Patel will also feature in the tournament.

The World Championship of Legends started on Wednesday, July 3, 2024 and will end on Saturday, July 13, 2024. The competition will see the return of the bowl-out format to decide a winner in case of a tie.

Teams


 * Australia Champions
 * India Champions
 * England Champions
 * Pakistan Champions
 * South Africa Champions
 * West Indies Champions


 * Tournament home at Cricbuzz
 * Tournament home at Cricbuzz

Vikas265 (talk) 12:50, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * You already asked for this: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cricket/Archive 94, and I don't think the answer will have changed since then. Richard3120 (talk) 13:04, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * this should only be created if it meets WP:GNG. Don't ask the same questions here over and over again. If yo continue repeating questions here because you don't like the answers, I will seek administrator action to block you from this page. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:22, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Please do. 87.5% of their articles have been deleted and they add nothing to the cricket project. AA (talk) 16:08, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I see that the page has been created. I've seen no mention of this tournament anywhere in the British media, so IU doubt that it meets GNG. To call most of the retired players taking part "legends" would seem to be rather stretching things. JH (talk page) 07:07, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * He's literally just copying and pasting press releases which describe them as "legends": https://www.ndtvprofit.com/sports/world-championship-of-legends-wcl-2024-schedule-teams-live-streaming-and-more#:~:text=The%20WCL%20will%20feature%20teams,play%20in%20the%20WCL%202024. Richard3120 (talk) 16:15, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I've moved in back to draftspace Draft:2024 World Championship of Legends, since the article does nothing to establish notability. If inevitable ignores everyone here again and moves it back to article space, I will be AFDing it. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:30, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Also on related note, I see 2023 Legends League Cricket Masters (the last season of it) has been previously deleted as non-notable. I've also started a couple of AFDs on articles mentioned here, feel free to contribute there: Articles for deletion/Legends League Cricket and Articles for deletion/Road Safety World Series. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:40, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Falling standards
Now we have Under-19 cricketers without senior debuts being added and deemed notable, largely due to WP:REFBOMB or WP:INHERITED. Given the above topic, do we actually have any proper, quality article creation/editing taking place anymore? AA (talk) 21:26, 5 July 2024 (UTC)


 * WP:GNG is the main criteria for inclusion. THis seems like WP:FORUMSHOPPING of the conversation at Rocky Flintoff AFD. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:05, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
 * There is zero consensus for the inclusion of under-19 cricketers. It has never been discussed here and their inclusion has always resulted in deletion. Now all of a sudden the Second XI Championship is the highest domestic level, and age-group cricket is now the top-level of international cricket. Of all the history of cricket and the thousands of pages needing expansion, we instead get "kids" whose matches fall well short of this important document. AA (talk) 22:40, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Now all of a sudden the Second XI Championship is the highest domestic level, and age-group cricket is now the top-level of international cricket. Neither of these things are true. As I mentioned at that AFD, it is possible to pass WP:GNG without being at the top level, just like you can play top level matches and not be notable. All of these top level guidelines do not override WP:GNG. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 16:24, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * As noted, GNG is the benchmark test for notability of sportspeople, regardless of what level they have played at. If that guideline is met and there is enough information in reliable sources to write a proper article, then we should have one. wjematherplease leave a message... 18:21, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
 * There is absolutely no doubt that the coverage he has received is because of his famous father. If he didn't have a famous father, nobody would bat an eyelid to any record in the Second XI Championship being broken, I can think of a few where no coverage whatsoever has been received. If we include any old cricketers, we become TriviaPedia, a concoction of random cricket trivia instead of a high quality database. Sad times. AA (talk) 22:10, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Have you seen Rocky Flintoff bat? He's another Joe Root and a dead cert for England. Desertarun (talk) 15:54, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
 * . And? Is the bar for notability now "he's another Joe Root and a dead cert for England"; if so, it's pretty low. We have articles popping up on Archie Vaughan and Farhan Ahmed. So what exactly makes these two notable? What have they done in cricket? There's a crazy argument on one AfD for these that signing a professional contract which is covered by loads of sources = notability. Rubbish! AA (talk) 22:13, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
 * For notability and suitability for an article, the question is not "what have they done?" but "what coverage is there?"; the answer to the former is often an indicator to the answer to the latter, but sometimes it is utterly irrelevant. If the appropriate coverage exists (which of course, has to go beyond the routine pro contract signing/press release blurb), then they are notable. wjematherplease leave a message... 12:44, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Signing a professional contract isn't notable, and neither is making a century the Second XI Championship. Essentially, any coverage of Rocky Flintoff or Archie Vaughan exists purely because they have famous father's. The WP:INHERITED is as clear as daylight! I mean, take Rocky Flintoff's page. 8 references to say he has signed a contract at Lancashire. Eight!!! That's terrible referencing and totally WP:REFBOMB. Apparently Lugnuts bar was too low, but here we have these... oh and just discovered Farhan Ahmed... what has he done to warrant inclusion? AA (talk) 21:22, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
 * So a great player of the sport's early days is not notable because there was minimal media coverage during his lifetime, but some nonentity who got his name into a tabloid last week is an absolute must for an article. Not so much falling standards as no standards. 92.17.1.49 (talk) 13:58, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Quite agree. AA (talk) 22:31, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Why the coverage exists is not relevant, and you appear to be misunderstanding NOTINHERITED. When the coverage is of the individual, and meets the threshold for GNG (because there is far more depth than just reporting a contract signing), they are presumed notable. We have countless articles on early "first class" cricketers for who we have no evidence of actual achievement (since playing first class cricket in this era was too often not based on ability or achievement at all), with references that are limited to routine announcements, directory listings (commonly school, university, armed services, etc.) and the odd mention in a match report/scorecard. It's hard to say standards are falling when we have these older articles, let alone the thousands of formulaic db scrapes created by Lugnuts, Bobo and others – the articles on Flintoff and Vaughan's boys are far higher standard than all of these. wjematherplease leave a message... 09:57, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
 * This article is about Rocky Flintoff, not his dad. Your argument that Sigcov is trumped by inherited is very weak. Desertarun (talk) 21:56, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

FLRC nomination
I have nominated List of Indian Premier League captains for featured list removal. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks; editors may declare to "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 11:04, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Ian Chappell
This is an old FA article from 2007 which has not run on the front page, so I submitted it for Sept 26th (his 81st birthday). However, I know next to nothing about Cricket, so please double check the blurb to see if it is accurate. I tried to condense the lede down as much as possible. Second, if someone could check over the article to see if it's up to date, that would help as well. Harizotoh9 (talk) 19:22, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
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