Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cryptozoology/Archive 2

Ariel
Why has Ariel (The Little Mermaid) been given a banner from this project? She is fictional. Totnesmartin 19:09, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * One, she is a mermaid, and mermaids in general are within the scope of this project, fictional or not. On that basis, it is rather likely that at least some of the details regarding her that might deserve to be mentioned in the article might be best known by members of a group which deals explicitly with that subject. Note that I said some, not all, details, and am only thinking that they might be mentioned in some cases, not that they would take over the article. In fact, all articles in the Category:Fictional mermen and mermaids are being tagged with this project's banner on that basis. Also, all such articles will eventually be added to the WikiProject Cryptozoology/Articles page, where they can be more regularly monitored for improvement, vandalism, and other changes by a wider variety of editors. (Right now I'm working on the WikiProject Paranormal/Articles page, but will be creating this project's page as soon as I'm done.) Also, by making it easier for a broader number of editors will at least somewhat regularly be interested in the article, it makes it more likely that the article will be improved in a NPOV fashion. I hope that answers your question. Badbilltucker 19:34, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

The fake taxobox
I originally posted this on the Bigfoot talk page, but here seems like a better place:

Each Wikipedia page on a particular species has a taxobox on the upper-right side of the page (for example wolf). The use of a fake taxobox on the Bigfoot page is at best disingenuous. We have a responsibility to avoid misleading readers. A casual reader who is unfamiliar with Bigfoot will get the wrong impression from the fake taxobox, which suggests that Bigfoot has a categorization like any other species. Furthermore, there is nothing which immediately suggests that the given picture may just be a guy in a gorilla suit, as opposed to, say, a picture of an actual wolf on the wolf page.

Also, nobody has a right to claim that Bigfoot is a hominid. Since no specimen has ever been found, for all we know Bigfoot could be filled with jellyfish guts, which would give it a different classification. Thus the use of the word 'hominid' further misleads the reader by the giving the appearance of legitimacy via the (undeserved) use of a scientific word.

Of course, this applies to all such hypothetical animals; I'm not singling out Bigfoot.

Please, be honest and don't mislead readers by "emulating" a taxobox. Thank you. Xerxesnine 23:52, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Chickcharnie
Hi, anyone willing to set up that page? Possibly, it could be a redirect to Tyto pollens, as the case is fairly clear here. But there needs to be more on the origin and history of the Chickcharnie tale in any case (e.g. who came up with it, where was it first documented, status in modern times etc). Dysmorodrepanis 12:54, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Deletion
Hello I have a probablem on adding material on the mermaid article, they keep deleting my material. This is what I wrote about the article and tell me if I should put it back on or not,

"The chance of mermaids existing is low, but there has been reports tales from first-hand witnesses generally describe mermaids who don't talk at all, who have green,black,brown, or blond hair, and are beautiful.If mermaids exist it would be hard to catch one due to their intelligence, for science has never managed to get a dead body despite the fact that mermaids are supposed to love hanging about near shore, where capture should be easy and their dead bodies would probably wash onto the beach. If they did exist they would be attacked constantly against underwater predators like sharks, and would probably be living inside sunken ships,if the sunken ship is explored then they would have hidden in the ships closets." --Ender_Wiiggin 09:29, 13 Febuary 2007 (UTC)

Edit warring
There's an edit war at Mermaid (cryptozoology). If anyone wants to throw a bucket of water over the factions, they're welcome. Totnesmartin 17:57, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Articles with several banners
Just came across a banner which contains several other banners here - could we adopt this format for such over-bannered pages as Bigfoot, Loch Ness Monster etc? Totnesmartin 11:36, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

List of cryptids
I've proposed that the list in Cryptid be split. This is what it would look like. Any comments or suggestions? Totnesmartin 16:53, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Giant animal
There was a merge that I felt was concluded too hastily and for the wrong reasons, so I undid the redirect. Now they want to open a discussion, and I feel that this is of interest to the cryptozoology community since most of the content that can't be added to Megafauna (the article it had gotten redirected to) from Giant animal was cryptozoology-related or mytholology-related. Thanks, and I hope to see your input. Mermaid from the Baltic Sea 02:50, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Category deletion debate
The category under consideration for deletion is Category:Giant animals, which should be of interest to people in this WikiProject. I'm refraining since I created the category. Mermaid from the Baltic Sea 03:56, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Dragon article discussion
A relevant discussion is going on at Talk:Dragon. Your input would be appreciated. Thanks. Mermaid from the Baltic Sea 20:50, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Quick Question
Does the project include things like Phoenixes and faeries? There wasn't one of those boxes on its talk page, so I wasn't sure. Corvus  coronoides  Contributions  M Go Blue 19:16, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi Cc, if you're into crypto stuff, try Bennu and drop me a line if you're interested in keeping the eyes peeled and/or to make Ardea bennuides a section there (taxobox n stuff - no need to make own article yet). FWIW, the Banggai Crow, guess you heard of it... if you want to work on that one day, drop me a note, willya? TIA! And finally, cryptids-wise - and that goes out to all - the "Zululand black bird cryptid" Kondlo (or something), I have seen the one-odd Web page mentioning it briefly and that might just be a corvid (though probably not). Took few prelim notes on it, but didn't get any further.


 * BTW avian cryptozoology is seriously underworked. Look at Late Quaternary prehistoric birds, we have LOTS most of you probably never heard of! Dysmorodrepanis 12:16, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Infobox
Could this: Infobox Paranormalcreatures work? Corvus  coronoides  Contributions  M Go Blue 20:36, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Loch Ness Monster anagram
I'm trying to find a source for the origin of the joke anagram "Monster Hoax by sir Peter S" - unfortunately my books don't mention it, and websites either name "the London papers" or Scottish politician Nicholas Fairbairn. Any answers? Totnesmartin 12:07, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Beast of Dean
i've been trying to create an article on the beast of dean. is mentioned on the list of cryptids and on answers.com (although they obviously get their info from here. there is NO- thats right ZERO mention of the animal anywere else as far as ive been able to search. the only non-wikipedia influenced mention to the animal is on an Unexplained Mysteries.com's fourum (see it [|here]) if anyone has any information whatsoever please dont hesitate to tell me. thanks-Ryan shell 04:05, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * If there's no information about it, then how do you know there even is a Beast of Dean? Where is Dean, even? (I'm guessing the Forest of Dean, but it might not be.) The name might have been added to the list as a joke, or after reading the local paper. You might have to trawl through the edit history and ask whoever originally wrote it in. Totnesmartin 09:57, 5 June 2007 (UTC)


 * From the Encyclopedia of Cryptozoology: "Alien big cat sightings have emerged from the Forest of Dean in Gloucester, England, since the early 1990s." It goes on to say that most witnesses describe it as a "black panther".  Most sightings are near highways, but no definitive evidence has been found.  A six foot long black wild boar was hit by a vehicle and killed on Dec. 5, 2002 on A40 near Over, causing speculation that this may have been the beast. of Dean.  In turn the encyclopedia gives as references:
 * "Beast' experts combine" Gloucestershire Echo Feb 17, 2000
 * "Could death crash boar end theories?" The Citizen Dec 7, 2002
 * "New 'Forest beast' sightings"
 * Hope this helps. Here's the encyclopedia citation if you need it:

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 * --Joelmills 14:30, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Legendary creatures infobox
The categories in the infobox for paranormal creatures didn't fit with most legendary (mythological) creatures, so I made an infobox specifically for those: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_Legendarycreatures

Feel free to change it. Here's an example of its use: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CentaurFunkynusayri 15:15, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Question of scope...
Just passing through to ask a question... Is it within this project's scope to include articles that deal with the cryptids in fiction, or extremely tangentially?

The reason I ask is that I've come across articles that seem odd to be included:

Siren (DC Comics): Dealing with the comic book character (a fictional mermaid).

Aquaman and related articles: Dealing with comic book characters (various types of fictional Atlanteans).

Namor: Again dealing with a comic book character (a fictional human/Atlantean hybrid).

Tsunami (Marvel Comics): An imprint (line) used by the comic book company, and it's only cryptid linkage being that one the comics published under the imprint was named for, and prominently featured Namor.

I was wondering if like articles should have the project tag added, or if these cases should have it removed.

Thanks

- J Greb 07:29, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Regarding the characters, probably. Particularly with this field, whether a given cryptid is real or not if often an open question anyway. Also, if and when we devlop the appropriate articles lists, as I hope to do, I think many/most agree that an article included on a list is itself relevant to the project making the list. Regarding the Tsunami imprint, I think that must have been a mistake. Many of these articles had been included in the Fictional Atlanteans categories, and that made them relevant. Sorry for taking so long to respond here, but I'm trying to help all the projects on the WP:PROJDIR/PR page know what their FAs, GAs, DYKs, and release version articles are, and that pretty much means doing assessments for all of them right now. I'm hoping I can come back to more active involvement as soon as this gets done. John Carter 19:32, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

watchlist
i can generate a list of all wikiproject cryptozoology articles every week though it won't list the category they are in--Java7837 01:01, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Also it will number them--Java7837 01:24, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Is this ok?--Java7837 17:59, 26 July 2007 (UTC) any one tell me the name for the red light face transformation used by mediums? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.104.20.53 (talk) 15:13, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Expert review: Mbielu-Mbielu-Mbielu
As part of the Notability wikiproject, I am trying to sort out whether Mbielu-Mbielu-Mbielu is notable enough for an own article. I would appreciate an expert opinion. For details, see the article's talk page. If you can spare some time, please add your comments there. Thanks! --B. Wolterding 08:51, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Aponard de Thevet
Does anyone have information about the Aponard of (de?) Thevet, the cryptobird of Ascension Island? Dysmorodrepanis 12:05, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Perro mudo
The "mute dog" of the Taíno of Hispaniola and perhaps other islands could deserve an article Taíno Dog. Some claimed it to be a raccoon, but the Taíno were pretty obviously depicting them as dogs. I don't know whether material evidence exists; it is extremely hard to come across any good sources, sources that don't just mention their existence. Dysmorodrepanis 09:23, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Cubacyon transversidens may be a junior synonym of the Taíno dog - or indeed the correct scientific name. I don't think enough is known about the Taíno animals to unequivocally state that they were indeed the same species as our dogs. Dysmorodrepanis 14:38, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Chupacabra found?
I am not part of this project I just wanted to let you guys know that the Chupacabra may have been found in a town near San Antonio. Rgoodermote 21:17, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Status
How exactly is status worked out. I think a clear set of criteria needs to be set for each of these. DurinsBane87 (talk) 09:55, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
 * If you meen status as in stub, featured etc class, there's a table in WikiProject Cryptozoology/Assessment - Whatever best fits the article you're thinking of is the one to go for. Are you volunteering your services? Totnesmartin (talk) 14:44, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Avius cani
Considering that this is pretty far from being my speciality, I thought I'd drop the Avius cani article by you. By any standard it does seem "out there" - with no google results other than a single wiki copy page. The single claimed reference, also without google results (both with and without correct spelling of "British"), is "unpublished". As said, cryptids is pretty far from my knowledge base, so I thought I'd bring it to this group, as you presumable would be better able to judge the "genuine cryptid" versus "entirely made up for wiki cryptid". If entirely made up for wiki, I'd recommend a member of this group forward it to WP:AfD. Rabo3 (talk) 00:11, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
 * For any comments, please see: AfD/Avius_cani. Rabo3 (talk) 00:55, 23 December 2007 (UTC)