Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dance/Archive 7

Active?
Is this still an active project? I was just noticed that it seems to be rather inactive. ReelAngelGirl If I do somthing wrong please let me know 18:07, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Ballet vs. modern
Hi, folks. I've recently written some dance articles and I'm a little confused by the templates and categories. Are you considering ballet and modern dance to be the same? I suspect the modern dance pioneers would have considered themselves a different genre, but I don't see any division in the labels here. Pkeets (talk) 17:02, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

I have another question, too. I've written several small articles on dancers and choreographers recently, and I don't see them appearing in the "lists", even though I've put the category tag at the bottom of the article. Is there some problem I should investigate, or is there just a huge backlog lately? Pkeets (talk) 17:22, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi. I might be able to help you. I think this is an inactive project. Just place the article links below and I'll see what I can about the categories. As for your first question, I don't know. Sorry I can't help you with that. ReelAngelGirl If I do somthing wrong please let me know 18:30, 26 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay. Looking around at the bios, it looks like there's ballet, modern dance and contemporary dance. Also, someone like Louis Falco or Matthew Diamond might be categorized as "commercial", because they work or worked primarily in film and TV. Likely some of these people qualify in more then one category, also. Here's a listing:


 * Lubov Egorova
 * Sonia Gaskell
 * Belinda Wright (dancer)
 * Russell Dumas (choreographer)
 * Nanette Hassall
 * Jaap Flier
 * Lucy Guerin
 * Donya Feuer
 * Paul Sanasardo
 * Sara Rudner
 * Maria Pagès
 * Pierre Rigal
 * Tere O'Connor
 * Louis Falco
 * Luciana Savignano
 * Flower Hujer
 * Matthew Diamond
 * Donna Uchizono
 * Foofwa d’Imobilité

Some of these articles have been complete for a while, and they are yet to show up in the listings of choreographers, dancers, etc. I also set up redirect pages for Pep Ramis and María Muñoz (choreographer) and I'm not sure how to add it to the list of choreographers. Normally categories are not placed on redirect pages, are they? Pkeets (talk) 21:49, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I checked and I see the articles on the lists. They seem ok to me. As for the redirects, I don't think you can place the categories there. I hope this helps. If you have any questions, let me know. ReelAngelGirl If I do somthing wrong please let me know 16:57, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks. Pkeets (talk) 17:31, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

WikiWomen's History Month
Hi everyone. March is Women's History Month and I'm hoping a few folks here at WP:Dance will have interest in putting on events related to women's roles in dance. We've created an event page on English Wikipedia (please translate!) and I hope you'll find the inspiration to participate. Please visit the page here: WikiWomen's History Month. Thanks for your consideration and I look forward to seeing events take place! SarahStierch (talk) 18:46, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Project Scope
I've just added the Category:Dance musicians to Category:Dance occupations. That was going on the assumption that someone from your project modified Category:Canadian dance music groups to provide an explanation. Does your project include modern dance music/musicians/groups? Argolin (talk) 11:09, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Patti Rutland Jazz


The article Patti Rutland Jazz has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * No indication of notability

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Proposed by another user. This had a blank talk page. I have added WP Dance. --Mirokado (talk) 00:31, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Portal:Arts for featured portal consideration
I've nominated Portal:Arts for featured portal candidacy, discussion is at Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:Arts. Thank you for your time, &mdash; Cirt (talk) 20:13, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Portal:Arts

Semi-Active
I have placed the semi-active template on the page. I will trying to get it active again if any one can help. ReelAngelGirl  Talk to me!   Tea?  15:39, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I am also going to reconstruct the page to be easier to navigate and more inviting for newbies. Please place any ideas here! ReelAngelGirl   Talk to me!   Tea?  13:11, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Getting Active
Hey! This is a list of current members as listed on the project page. Please place  if you would like to continue or   if you don't or   if you are a sympathizer. If you would like to join feel free to place  or   if you would like to join but don't have the time to be a regular contributor here. If you have any questions, visit my talkpage or add a new section here! ReelAngelGirl  Talk to me!   Tea?  13:25, 14 March 2012 (UTC)




 * I came up with a plan to get this to a fully active WikiProject. Check out the table below. Also, please keep this page on your watchlist and provide feedback if you see mistakes, flaws or have suggestions. If everyone approves of this, I will put it on the project page and get to work! Thanks! ReelAngelGirl   Talk to me!   Tea?  17:41, 14 March 2012 (UTC)


 * We could agree on an article to collaborate on, try to get it to GA or FA status. Anyone have a dance-related article they've been working on lately? --Fang Aili talk 16:06, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I've been working on Irish stepdance. Negatives; not many people know much about it. I have way too much WP:OR (have been taken it for 7yrs). ReelAngelGirl   Talk to me!   Tea?  18:43, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Cool, I'll give it a read. I've recently edited a few ballet-related articles, and I think they could be improved upon: Prima ballerina assoluta, 32 fouettés en tournant. Also, any editor might be interested in signing up for this. --Fang Aili talk 00:58, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Active
So, 9 active and 1 semi-active members. Can someone make a invitation template? I'm going to make test changes to the page so please leave feedback about design. Questions or comments? ReelAngelGirl  Talk to me!   Tea?  20:04, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I re-activated myself! --Mrlopez2681 (talk) 08:59, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Report on the use of self-published sources
The first version of a report on the use of self-published sources is now available, in WikiProject Wikipedia reliability. Some of the self-published sources listed in the report pertain to this project.

Suggestions on the report itself (a discussion has started here), and help in remedying the use of the self-published items that relate to this project will be appreciated. History2007 (talk) 06:29, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Richard Cragun
I did some work on Richard Cragun and added to Talk:Richard Cragun. This not being my field, I'm not comfortable entering ratings for it. I'm also not clear on any additional categories it might require. If someone else would like to pick up this article and run with it, that would be great. —&#91; Alan M 1  (talk) &#93;— 17:35, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Carolina Shag page - the first video is marked to private on YouTube
That's all really.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carolina_shag

Luxfornow (talk) 20:40, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Women's History Month is in March
Hi everyone at WikiProject Dance!

Women's history month is around the corner, in March, and we're planning the second WikiWomen's History Month.

This event, which is organized by volunteers from the WikiWomen's Collaborative, supports improving coverage about women's history during the month of March. Events take place both offline and online. We are encouraging WikiProjects to focus on women's history related to their subject for the month of March. Ideas include:
 * Women's roles as performers, directors, writers and instructors in dance.
 * The importance of women's roles in dance
 * Music, works and styles of dance that have specifically impacted women and women's history

We hope you'll participate! You can list your your project focus here, and also help improve our to-do list. Thank you for all you do for Wikipedia and stop by my talk page with any questions! SarahStierch (talk) 00:13, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

African dance
I'm active in the African dance community in NYC and I've been finding there to be a sore lack of information about African dances, dancers, schools, and troupes on Wikipedia. I'd really like to help improve this, and I'd like to find others who can help me. Can anyone in the dance editor community help me figure out how best to identify and divide up tasks, and source articles? I may be able to put together a Wikipedia editing party with a bunch of other dancers at an upcoming cultural arts festival at a local high school, among other things. Any advice? Gus andrews (talk) 03:40, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Question about number of dances styles
How many Dances styles are there? Since there seems to be a quite a mis-match between all of the following lists if they are compared in excel: List of dance style categories, List of folk dances sorted by origin, and List of dances. If anyone has defnine answer let me know DoctorHver (talk) 02:33, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

DoctorHver, if you look at research and theory on dance -- or even dance as it is done in the streets -- I think you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone who thinks there is a set number of dance styles. Dance is constantly evolving as people create new ones, putting their own spin on earlier dances. Are you asking about the number that Wikipedia knows about? Gus andrews (talk) 03:44, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Videos illustrating dance
I was coming here to suggest that a WikiProject be created to improve the coverage of dance moves, styles, terminology, etc., in videos at Commons. But I see such a project already exists: WikiProject Lights Camera Wiki/Dance. So, I guess I'd just like to highlight that project, and request that anyone who can, please make short videos illustrating all these different "dance-related things", so we can have more videos in the associated articles. (See, in particular, the lists at Glossary of dance moves, List of dance style categories, List of dances, and Novelty and fad dances, along with Category:Dance moves and its subcats.) After all, if anything in WP would really benefit from a video to illustrate the concept, it's a dance related article! - dcljr (talk) 05:03, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

I agree wholeheartedly. I was just wondering -- to what extent can we link to YouTube videos, or, say, stuff on archive.org? Gus andrews (talk) 03:45, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Dance in film related AfD -- Kriszta Doczy
Articles for deletion/Kriszta Doczy - for info Paul foord (talk) 05:45, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Patrick Corbin
RM to place the baseball player over the dancer. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:29, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Dranza


The article Dranza has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * no refs, no ext links since Dec 2009. A google search reveals no usable hits. Lots of mirrors of this article of course, which are just poisoning the well.

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I have just prodded it, then noticed that it did not have a project template on the talk page, so notifying explicitly here. Mirokado (talk) 13:03, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Archiving
I have just archived manually up to 2011. This more or less fills archive 6. I will set up automatic archiving for messages older than six months, starting with archive 7, adding for one or two messages we may want to keep longer. The first run of the archiving bot would only affect one or two messages I would also have archived manually already, so anyone who wishes to tweak the parameters, or doesn't like automatic archiving and is prepared to do it manually, has ten days or so respond before "new" old messages would be affected. If we wish to keep messages for longer, we can add the dnau template to them. Any sections without timestamp are also not archived. --Mirokado (talk) 13:36, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. It is also set up to keep at least 20 messages, which might cause messages to stay longer than expected. --Mirokado (talk) 14:09, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

List of dance companies
I have proposed new inclusion criteria and structure for the List of dance companies article. The two of us who have been engaging in this discussion have not been able to come to a mutually satisfactory decision on our own. If you would be willing to add a third (or other subsequent) opinion, it would be greatly appreciated. Neelix (talk) 13:10, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Missing topics page
I have updated Missing topics about dance - Skysmith (talk) 08:36, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Libraries 2013 - Portland, Oregon
FYI for project members. Even if you are unable to attend in person, online support and participation is welcome and much appreciated. Thank you! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:56, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Oregon Arts Project/Performing Arts/Dance might be of particular interest to project members. Thanks again! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:04, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Commons gallery rewrite
I've completely rewritten Dance to produce a useful, high quality image collection. It has individual galleries for various aspects of dance, populated with images selected during an extensive Commons survey (I uploaded a few additional images to fill things out). To be included, images were required to have high resolution, good clarity and visual impact, and not be too similar to other selected images. I may have gone a bit overboard with gallery styling, image sizes, or both, but I couldn't find any guideline or MOS that discourages that and, after all, those further my goal of creating a notable collection. Any feedback from fellow editors would be appreciated. Lambtron (talk) 19:48, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Ekaterina Krysanova and Ekaterina Krysanova
Dear dance experts: Is the material in the above old abandoned Afc draft something that would be appropriate to add to the mainspace article, or is this excessive detail? (Of course sources would need to be found, but deletion of the draft could be delayed if it would be beneficial). &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 01:23, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Joan McCracken
I've just considerably expanded the article on Joan McCracken, 1940s Broadway and film star and dancer. Problem is that there is only one good source, a biography from 2003. It's a very good and authoritative source, but I hate to base an entire article on one source. The problem is, except for obituaries of questionable reliability, I can't find much else. Any help with sourcing or the article would be great. Coretheapple (talk) 17:30, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Comments moved from to do list
-Agutman (talk) Plans to explain the mission and history of Dance Alloy, And the types of events that Dance Alloy holds.

-ealangan (talk) Plan to talk about Dance Alloy outreach and profile each staff member and their dance experience.

-jdk2010 (talk) Plan to disscuss the Dance Alloy Company and the Dance Alloy School. Although performed before the Beatles' broke up,wasn't Drive my Car performed by McCartney alone, like Blackbird? 86.181.200.246 (talk) 20:20, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Talk to myself... Danni is to do Over the Rainbow (Karen Carpenter version) Lisa is doing Hanky Panky from Dick Tracey, according to It Takes Two. 86.181.170.56 (talk) 21:24, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

--Mirokado (talk) 01:09, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Women in dance for International Women's Month 2014
Every year around this time I try to pick an area requiring development in connection with International Women's Day/Month. Last year it was female architects or women in architecture. The year before, it was photography. This year I think it would be worthwhile trying to develop female dancers or women in dance. We could try to develop a world list along the lines of List of female architects and write up the missing biographies. We could also write an article Women in dance like Women in architecture. I'll probably make a start myself within a week or two. We should also alert other pertinent WikiProjects. Anyone interested? --Ipigott (talk) 21:57, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

I've already started on a List of female dancers. Please contribute. We need many more biographies for most of the countries.--Ipigott (talk) 21:54, 16 February 2014 (UTC)


 * In addition to many new articles on female dancers for Women's History Month (March 2014), as far as I can see, 31 of them became DYKs. For the full status report, see WikiWomen's History Month/Outcomes. There is, however, still a lot of work to do, especially on creating biographies of the principals of the main ballet companies. I suggest we should try to work on Mariinsky_Ballet, Royal_Danish_Ballet, Dutch_National_Ballet, Royal_Swedish_Ballet, and La_Scala_Theatre_Ballet. There are also some gaps in the major North American companies including National_Ballet_of_Canada and American_Ballet_Theatre.--Ipigott (talk) 10:52, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

To do lists
Our to do list was getting far too long, and still is really. I have tidied it up a bit and moved a few comments here -- that list needs to be for links to a few articles needing attention, not a long series of user comments.

I found it rather confusing to have the page redirecting to the talk and the actual contents in the talk page. I would like to tidy this (and the corresponding ballet to do list) up so we have the contents on the page itself and the talk with a soft redirect to this talk page. This would need to be done in two steps since the wikiproject template is protected. Any comments? --Mirokado (talk) 01:09, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * While I was adding the wp template to a new article I was seeing only the expanded to do list in the preview, but it defaults to collapsed once the page is saved, in which case the list at its current length is OK (I'd still like to tidy up its location though). --Mirokado (talk) 01:37, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

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Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Aparna B Marar
Dear dance experts: This article at Afc has been waiting four weeks for a review. Any comments? &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 12:08, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Leaflet For Wikiproject Dance At Wikimania 2014
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Dancing With the Stars article RFD
Just making this group aware. Dancing with the Stars request for deletion. Fyunck(click) (talk) 06:09, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Comment on the WikiProject X proposal
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Could use some input at Talk:Undisputed World Bboy Series
Hi there, WikiProject Dance! An article on a breakdancing competition, Undisputed World Bboy Series, could use some focus. I happened upon it a while ago in my capacity as a WikiGnome, so I'm not too familiar with dance competitions. Right now it has a little prose, but the bulk of it comprises playoff trees. I don't know if there are any examples of how similar articles should be structured, but I was hoping to get some extra voices to potentially help direct the scope. I've started a discussion on the talk page. Thanks! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:13, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

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Dance categories and lists
I wonder whether some of these could be made more clear:
 * Categories: It is unclear to me why dances are in multiple "main" categories, for example:
 * Category:Dance contains Zumba
 * Category:Dances contains Jazz dance
 * Category:Dance styles contains Salsa (dance)
 * It could help if these categories would have clear inclusion criteria described on the category pages.
 * These lists are similar, but different:
 * List of dances
 * List of dance style categories
 * Why are they so different? Is (a) the only intended reason for difference the sorting order? Or (b) is dance supposed to refer to something different than dance style? In case of (a) the pages might be able to merge to a sorted list page and in case of (b) the difference may be clarified better.
 * I am willing to help so far I can, but first I wonder whether there is any support for addressing this and/or whether you know whether I am missing some relevant background. LazyStarryNights (talk) 20:38, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

I've diffused cat:dance and made other changes to resolve category issues, but the matter of cat:dances vs. cat:dance_styles remains. Please see the following RFC for a possible fix. As for the lists, a possible solution is to consolidate both lists and make it sortable by dance name, category, etc. Lambtron (talk) 14:21, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

RFC: dances category vs. dance_styles category
I've discovered an organizational problem in two dance-related categories: Category:Dance styles is a subcategory of Category:Dances, but many dance forms (48 to be precise) appear in both categories in violation of WP:SUBCAT ("a page or category should rarely be placed in both a category and a subcategory"). I think this should be fixed by having specific dance forms appear only in cat:dance_styles, but I'd appreciate the opinions of other editors before proceeding. Lambtron (talk) 14:21, 21 April 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm a little confused (owing less to the way you phrased things and more to the convoluted nature of the situation). Are you suggesting that, within the main category, we include only divisions of dance which do not concern the form of movement being referenced or that we only include only genres and then specific dance styles within those genres? In other words, do you want the category/article branches to look like this:


 * Category: Dance
 * (sub)Category: Dance styles
 * (sub-sub)Category:modern concert dance
 * Article Contemporary dance
 * Article Lyrical dance
 * Article Modern dance
 * (sub-sub)Category:Hip-hop dance
 * (sub-sub)Category:Latin Ballroom
 * Article Cha-cha
 * Article Rumba
 * Article Salsa (dance)
 * Article Tango
 * (sub)Category: Historical Dance
 * (sub)Category: Sacred Dance


 * or more like this:


 * Category: Dance
 * (sub)Category: Concert dance
 * Article Contemporary dance
 * Article Lyrical dance
 * Article Modern dance
 * (sub)Category: Hip-hop dance
 * (sub)Category:Latin Ballroom
 * Article Cha-cha
 * Article Rumba
 * Article Salsa (dance)
 * Article Tango
 * (sub)Category: Folk Dance
 * Article Irish folk dance
 * (sub)Category: Historical Dance
 * (sub) Category: Sacred Dance


 * ?  S n o w  talk 01:29, 12 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for showing interest in this, Snow. Yes, it is very confusing, in large part because there are no standards for terminology or classification. What's the difference between a dance "type", "genre", and "style"? Is hip hop a type of dance, a dance style, a street dance genre, the name of a particular dance, or some combination of these? Should fanga song be in cat:dances or cat:dance_styles? Before answering, consider that template:dance shoehorns all dances into "types" and "genres", where "types" are very general classifications and "genres" are everything else. At this point I'm certain of only two things: cats should be logically organized so they are useful to readers, and no article should appear in both a cat and its supercat. Lambtron (talk) 14:31, 13 June 2014 (UTC)


 * In that event, I'd suggest the following layout/hierarchy:


 * [Cat:Dance]
 * Sub-cats of [Cat:Dance] would include any of a number of subcats for genres ([Cat:Classical and concert dance], [Cat:Ballroom dance], [Cat:Hip-hop dance], [Cat:Jazz dance], [Cat:Swing dance], ect) and a number of subcats for topics which are not subtopics of any particular genre, including contexts ([Cat:Sacred Dance], [Cat: Historical dance], [Cat:Dance by country]), and other miscellany ([Cat:Dance companies], [Cat:Dance competitions and events], [Cat:Dance music], [Cat:Dance venues], ect.).
 * Each genre cat would then include articles representing the parent subject (Ballroom dance for [Cat: Ballroom dance]) as well as any articles relevant across the genre (for example, Dancesport for [Cat:Ballroom dance]).
 * Each genre cat would also include subcats for any major divisions/subgenres within the genre; so, [Cat:Latin ballroom dance] and [Cat:Standard/Smooth Ballroom dance] would both be subcats of [Cat:Ballroom dance], while [Cat:Ballet] would be a constituent of [Cat: Classical and concert dance].
 * At the lowest level of cat for any given branch -- be that a genre cat or subgenre cat within a genre cat -- we would add all articles which relate to that genre or subgenre at the most specific level at which they can be applied, including specific styles/dances (Cha-cha would be found in [Cat: Latin ballroom dance] and not in [Cat:Ballroom dance]), specific moves/techniques or compilation pages of such (Glossary of partner dance terms would be found in [Cat: Ballroom dance], while Gancho (dance move) would be found in [Cat:Latin Ballroom dance]; Glossary of ballet terminology would be found in [Cat:Ballet] and not in [Cat:Classical and concert dance]), specific dance personalities (List of professional ballroom dancers would go in [Cat: Ballroom dance], List of hip-hop choreographers would go in [Cat:hip-hop dance], and Fred Astaire would be listed in [Cat:Musical theatre and broadway dance]), equipment (Jazz shoe would go in [Cat:Jazz]), or any other topic which obviously belongs that genre/subgenre alone.  At the lowest levels, we might make a handful of exceptions to the general rule of not having an article be linked in a cat another cat subordinate to the first; for example, I think it makes sense to link the article Ballet in [Cat:Classical and concert dance] next to Contemporary dance, Modern dance, and Lyrical dance as well as in [Cat:Ballet].


 * At some point briefly I will put together a sample tree to hopefully clarify the above structure some. S n o w  talk 09:04, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Notability Guidelines
I'd like to work with other Wikipedians to establish notability guidelines for dance related content. Please let me know if you're interested in collaborating.Mwacha (talk) 16:01, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi! I'm hoping to work on this as well. Perhaps we can first create a 'Resources' section on the WikiProject Dance page that links to reliable, non-paywalled sources for dance references and/or other online dance Wikipedias where we can draw notability from(?) OR drohowa (talk) 18:35, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi! Also, examples of useful WikiProject resources that we could replicate are:
 * WikiProject Medicine/Resources
 * Identifying reliable sources (medicine)


 * A Reliable Resources section would be a very valuable asset indeed. Aside from its usefulness in the area of notability, it would really help editors (like me) who frequently encounter poorly stated--sometimes even obviously false--facts in dance articles, but can't correct them due to lack of RS. I'm not sure I can be of help building such a resource, but I would certainly make good use of it. Lambtron (talk) 19:21, 11 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Hi, I saw OR drohowa's note on the ballet talk page. I'd be interested in this as well. I see this as an issue in the "former dancer" sections of ballet companies (ex: American Ballet Theatre). Clearly, not all former dancers should be listed or the section would take over the article. Which dancers, then, should be listed? Since ballet often uses its tradtional heirarchical model, as a starting point for ballet at least, I would suggest that dancers that reach the principal level or who leave the company and reach the principal level at another (major?) company should be listed, as well as those who go on to achieve similar distinction. Modern dance companies could use a parallel model. Dkreisst (talk) 19:30, 11 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I tend to agree that many of the bios on American dancers lack sufficient notability. Nevertheless, it seems to me that from a global perspective there is still a huge amount of work to be done to cover all the current participants in the world dancing scene, not to mention historical players. My main concern is therefore to attract more editors to take a serious look at the overall picture and contribute to more and better coverage of ballet, modern dance and evolving trends. I'm always surprised to see how few of the budding stars reported in the press are documented on Wikipedia, whether in London, New York, Paris, Copenhagen, Berlin, Milan or Moscow. Let's keep our eyes open and try to give them all the credit they deserve.--Ipigott (talk) 20:47, 11 June 2014 (UTC)


 * A notable dance company is composed of and thus bestows de facto notability upon its current members, whether they are independently notable or not. However, former dancers lose that automatic notability because they no longer contribute to the company's notability. Consequently, I'm in favor of deleting former dancers who are not independently notable. Lambtron (talk) 21:37, 11 June 2014 (UTC)


 * But notability is not temporary. Are you suggesting that articles on dancers be eliminated upon their leaving dance companies? Coretheapple (talk) 21:41, 11 June 2014 (UTC)


 * No. Articles on dancers are inherently articles about notable dancers, otherwise they would not have articles about them. I'm talking about dancers who are not independently notable, who do not have articles. Lambtron (talk) 21:48, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

While I certainly take it as a good sign for this project, which often seems half-defunct, that people are seeing a need for this degree of discussion in dance articles, there's a a couple of points we need to be mindful of, setting out here. First off, in terms of outright policy, we can't establish arbitrary standards of notability of our own here for any article we perceive to be within the purview of our project; we have to solicit broad community input and that's going to be difficult with the relatively low degree of traffic and editor involvement we have across dance articles in general. Remember that there is a significant difference between a notability page that is an official guideline, such as WP:Notability (sports), which contains more stringent criteria that are applied on top of the minimum standards for notability found in WP:GNG and an essay constructed to provide the insight of a limited number of editors on how general notability standards can be applied to a given field or topic, but which applies no new refinements of notability standards that can be said to reflect broad community consensus. Moving from the latter to the former is not a small or quick project. None of which is saying that it can't be done, just that it's likely to be an uphill effort and it will be immeasurably helped if we are clear at the outset the basic types of standards that we can apply and expect support from the community and those that will be soundly rejected. All standards of notability must operate in concert with WP:V and WP:N and it's all going to come down to the sources. So some of the suggestions made above that we set notability to a standard of those who have attained a certain status within a company or association with certain companies, are untenable; first off because that approach is in direct conflict with the Wikipedia approach of establishing notability and weight via reliable sources rather than arbitrary standards of success and further because plenty of notable dance personalities and phenomena have no relationship to formal companies.

In general I have to say that, while we should always keep notability clearly in mind when authoring or evaluating dance articles, I don't see specific notability guidelines as our most pressing need right now. Frankly the biggest problem we have is at the other end of the proliferation spectrum as we have difficulty in that we have many subjects of deep significance for which we do not have articles (or have only poorly written articles), owing to a lack of quality reliable sources or editors to write the content; patrolling standards for non-notable articles taking root is a much smaller problem right now, by comparison anyway. Of course any kind of new community discussion to set standards would be helpful, if only in getting the members of this project and other editors of dance articles galvanized and motivated, but I tend to feel that the suggestions of on compiling resources (in particular, those regarding reliable sources) and those of  as regard generally expanding the scope of our coverage to the many notable global dance influences which lack coverage (and attracting the necessary editor involvement to generate this content) are both great examples of where I think our priorities ought to be first if we are to make a genuine push within this project to structure and augment dance articles better. Notability standards will become central in all of that, of course, but I don't know if they are the ideal starting point. Though I should like to point out that I say this respectfully with regard to, whose point is still very much valid and who has gone through a lot of effort to bring us here, through various means, to where we might finally begin to discuss the central issues which have limited this project and dance articles in general for some time now.  S n o w  talk 00:37, 12 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Notability is always an issue because it is the main point which decides whether or not an article is suitable for the wiki. Lack of accessible and reliable sources can be a big stumbling-point. In dance, ballet is no problem. There are so many ballet encyclopedias and biographies and dictionaries that cover every stage of the art except the most recent period. Also, the dance correspondents of serious papers are usually former ballet dancers, and most of their reviews are of ballet. If there is a problem with our ballet articles, it is the way commentary on the music tends to overshadow discussion of the dance. The problem of sources increase with other forms of dance. Some other forms of dance do get reviewed occasionally, for instance flamenco and kabuki, but are less well supplied with printed reference material. Lastly there are some forms of dance which are never reported in the main press, and which are never reviewed by the quality newspapers, and which have few printed sources, at least in the English language. Examples are international ballroom dancing, and quite a few of the south-east asian dance forms. In African dance even the idea of a named notable dancer is strange, so communal are the traditions. Macdonald-ross (talk) 07:45, 12 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Many thanks to everyone for their responses and engagement with the topic! You make a lot of good points. I agree,, that the lack of reliable resources and editors, as well as a general lack of coverage of dance content is a huge issue. I'd like to think that establishing notability guidelines will give new editors (and editors new to dance!) a solid foundation with which to approach the topic. and I envision this as the first step in a greater movement.


 * When the International Encyclopedia of Dance, the first multivolume encyclopedia, was published in the late '90s, the editors chose not to cover many dancers. This was done for a number of reasons, and I imagine the space limitations of a print publication was one of them -- a limitation we are not subject to. In addition to dancers, I'd also like to address notability guidelines for choreographers, performance companies, etc. Is this best done on wiki or off? Mwacha (talk) 15:28, 17 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I agree that the lack of coverage of dance is pretty distressing. We have so much junk on Wikipedia, so many self-serving articles about unimportant companies and idiotic video games. But important dancers and choreographers often get short-shrift. Just to pick up on one point, as I was away for a few days: if a dancer has an article because he or she belongs to a particular dance company, and then leaves the company or retires, the article remains. Notability is not temporary. Also it seems kind of cruel, wouldn't you say? Their careers are over, and they even lose their Wiki article. Ouch. Coretheapple (talk) 17:45, 17 June 2014 (UTC)


 * I may be mistaken but I don't think anyone has proposed deleting articles about notable dancers. A dancer who has his/her own article is independently notable -- that's a fundamental tenet of WP:N. And as you pointed out, notability is not temporary, therefore notable dancers continue to be notable regardless of what they do later in life. I think the original question was about dancers who do not have their own articles, who are merely named as members in company articles and do not warrant having their own articles. Should those dancers continue to be listed as "former members" in company articles? Lambtron (talk) 19:05, 17 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Oh OK, I misunderstood. No, I don't see why they have to be listed as former members, unless they are notable. By that, I mean either they have an article but are redlinked but likely to have one. Coretheapple (talk) 21:47, 17 June 2014 (UTC)


 * May I suggest that dance is so underrepresented on Wikipedia that instead of spending time debating notability we make use of it to develop articles? — Robert Greer (talk) 04:42, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Not to butt in, but if it's underrepresented, then this might be of interest... Dancing with the Stars request for deletion.

Dance theater?
I've posted a query about coverage of the overall topic at WT:WikiProject Theatre. Any thoughts there would be most welcome. Cheers, 86.134.203.235 (talk) 10:59, 20 January 2015 (UTC) The discussion there follows below: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Theatre

What is regional ballet?
Am just working on a quick article for Ben Sommers and I keep seeing references to regional ballet. This sounds like something that ought to have an article on it but I know nothing about ballet (the only reason I'm doing Sommers is because of his fashion links) so I thought I'd raise it here as it sounded like something missing from Wikipedia. Mabalu (talk) 10:20, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Stravinsky
Hi,

Just to let you know - Igor Stravinsky is missing from the topic 'Ballet Composers'. Quite an important man to miss out!

Grace 81.110.230.64 (talk) 11:19, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Teacher/Mentor field for Infobox dancer
The importance of the dance teacher cannot be underestimated. Tracing the "family tree" of dancers is of utmost importance.

For example, Benjamin Millepied was mentored by Jerome Robbins, who in turn learnt ballet with Ella Daganova, Antony Tudor and Eugene Loring. Eugene Loring was coached by Balanchine, who was the student of Pavel Gerdt. Gerdt was the student of Christian Johansson, Alexander Pimenov (himself a pupil of the legendary Charles Didelot), and with Jean-Antoine Petipa and so on.

Now, all the information is in Wikipedia, but it's not in the infobox. I think that making this information quickly accessible using the infobox is an important tool for people trying to learn about dance styles, influences, dance history, and more.

Would it make sense to add a Teacher/Mentor (any other suggestion?) field to the Infobox dancer template? This will enable users to quickly move up the chain of "dance teachers". It would be immensely useful to users. How does one go about this? Thanks!

Masala Dosa (talk) 09:24, 27 May 2015 (UTC)


 * , I'm not saying it's impossible (noting this kind of mentor relationship makes more sense for dancers than it does a lot of other types artist or professional) but there are a lot of potential problems here with regard to weight and original research. It's for these reasons that over the last few years there have been a number of discussions at template talk:infobox person which reached a consensus that "influences/influenced by" parameters should mostly be avoided in infoboxes, since they tend to attract a lot of unsourced fancruft and even when they are verifiable, they are often better contextualized in the prose of the article's main body.  That situation has since rippled out and mostly been implemented in other discussions for infoboxes on performers (see for example the recent discussion at Template_talk:Infobox_comedian and its more or less unanimous conclusion).  But, all of that said, I can see an argument for going the other direction here (dance has a famously strong standard relationship between teacher and pupil), though I must admit I am of two minds on the matter myself.   S n o w  let's rap 23:23, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

A dancer named Virginia Myers. Who? Thought you might not have heard of her. She got lost in the history books some years ago.
I happen to be the son of Virginia Myers. And it's only been about a year and a half since a box in an art storage room was opened and we discovered a vast collection of clippings, pictures, newspaper and magazine reviews, letters, essays, poems, etc. about a very young dancer who became quite famous in New York City in the early 20th century. Starting at the age of four, and by the age of 5 she had become so well-known that the Edison Film Company found out about her and signed her to a contract to star in their 1,000th feature release titled the "The Dream Dances of Virginia Myers." It was released to all the Edison movie theaters in America as well as numerous other venues around the world.

I've done two articles in the past for Wikipedia, one focusing on Virgina's famous artist father, Jerome Myers, and another on his wife, another fine artist, Ethel Myers. This time I think a son who is not really an expert on dance or its history, should take a back seat, and let someone who really knows about the dance world and is not a blood relative take on the subject. It certainly seems like a much wiser choice. I did actually co-produce and write a major gala at Lincoln Center paying tribute to Fred Astaire, which included meetings with him in Hollywood to discuss what films we would be using (and why he still didn't like his singing that much). Anyway, the show was a huge success and Astaire said himself "it was the greatest evening he had ever had in his life." Ginger Rogers was there, and Fred's famous sister, Adele, also came. She was an extraordinary talent in her own right and during their performing days together always got the better reviews.

Anyway, had I known about what my mother had achieved on the New York stage around the same time that Fred and Adele were doing shows, I would have certainly mentioned her to him. He might well have known about her; might possibly have even seen her perform. It so happened I did invite my mother to the Gala and did introduce her to Fred, but not knowing anything about the past.

Possibly the best way to introduce yourself to who she was is to visit the Internet site I did create for her. It contains almost all the publicity and documentation that is now part of the permanent Virginia Myers Collection at "The Jerome Robbins Dance Library at Lincoln Center". Here is the link:.

I'm not sure how to follow up on this note. My email address is barry@ques.com. My telephone in New York City is 212-734-7280. Thank you for reviewing this.

Barry BEDownes (talk) 23:02, 30 May 2015 (UTC)


 * , I've looked through the website some and there does seem to be a wealth of material here. It is quite reasonable and appropriate for you to want to avoid getting too directly involved in the potential creation of the article yourself, given the potential conflict of interests involved, and looking at it as a neutral party myself, I have to say it's a complex case.  On the one hand, as you probably know from your previous Wikipedia experiences, we have WP:Notability guidelines which determine when a given topic (including an individual) warrant and independent article on the project, and this determination is primarily made on the basis of the sources and outside materials available.  In this case, there seems to be a fair bit of material to work with, but the fact that it is so dated and that your mother's legacy did not make it into more contemporary coverage of the era of dance she featured in complicates things some, because it means our vital secondary sourcing is limited here.  Furthermore, we'd need to find at least some record of reference to her work in the archives for some media source, in order to confirm their publication status (it seems unfeasible that someone could/would flub that amount of material as is found on that site for such a purpose, but it's a simple matter of procedure here to confirm these things).   I will look into this matter in detail and if there is any indication that we have the necessary sourcing to add an article on your mother and her work, I'll be happy to assist you in the creation of the article.  However, as my editing time is limited at present, this could take some time (probably on the order of weeks or possibly even months, as it may require significant research on limited time).  In the meantime, others here may decide to take the lead and expedite things.  For now, my thanks for approaching this project in a smart fashion and all the best to you and your family!  S n o w  let's rap 23:52, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Misty Copeland PR
Misty Copeland could use a reviewer at WP:PR.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:22, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Sandman Sims
I've recently spent some time expanding the Sandman Sims article from its former stub status to a full, referenced article. I removed the template from the article itself, but  is still on the article's talk page, and I wasn't sure what the procedure is for modifying that template. (I'd also appreciate someone with expertise in dance looking the article over for terminology errors, as I am neither a dancer nor an expert in the field.) Thanks in advance! —GrammarFascist (talk) 16:38, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Cleared the entire GA Review backlog for Media and drama

 * 1) Thank you all to all our editors who help to contribute to Quality improvement efforts on Wikipedia related to WP:DANCE.
 * 2) I've helped to clear the entire GA Review backlog for Media and drama, which can be seen at Good article nominations/Topic lists/Media and drama.
 * 3) I'd like to make a suggestion, here, which is optional, for you to please consider:
 * 4) Suggestion: This suggestion is optional only, but I ask you to please at least read over the Good Article review instructions, and consider reviewing two to three (2-3) GA candidates from good articles nominations, for each one (1) that you nominate. Again, this is optional and a suggestion only, but please do familiarize yourself at least with how to review, and then think about it -- as a way to pay it forward.

Thank you,

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Archived old threads
Archived some old threads that were inactive, zero new responses, those that referred to closed AFDs, etc. &mdash; Cirt (talk) 06:55, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Request for AfD input for Satu Tuomisto
Please comment at Articles for deletion/Satu Tuomisto. The AfD has been open for two weeks with no input. Thank you. J bh Talk  16:19, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Kinesthetic empathy?
Fyi, WT:PSYCH. 81.157.0.217 (talk) 14:46, 6 November 2015 (UTC) (occasionally aka "dance ip")
 * How is this related to dance? Lambtron (talk) 15:50, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
 * (though obviously it isn't only related to dance). 81.157.0.217 (talk) 16:12, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Please be more specific about the topic of this section. A concise statement would be more helpful than Google search results. Lambtron (talk) 17:17, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, I believe it's an established (and scientifically-based) concept in dance teaching and communication. (I posted here because I thought it possible someone might be interested in this - and the current page is, imo, a misrepresentation, per WP:WEIGHT, etc.) 81.157.0.217 (talk) 17:51, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Red Bull BC One World Finals Italy 2015
Hi all, Red Bull BC One World Finals Italy 2015 could use some extra eyes. One user in particular, AdemirCedillos1, who has also gone by Ademiricedillos, has created a number of articles related to these breakdancing competitions. Another such is International B-Boy Championships, Red Bull BC One, and so on. Most of these articles are supported by primary sources, discussion forums, and things of that nature. I'm rather swamped right now and I can't do a whole lot to figure out whether these articles are notable or not, so I was hoping to get some help from the kind members of WikiProject Dance. There are a lot of competition trees and other detail that seems excessive. I'll also float this by WikiProject Hip Hop. I'm getting a really strong promotional vibe, cynic that I am. Two other articles, Undisputed World Bboy Series and 2014 Undisputed World Bboy Series were deleted as a result of AfDs. ((Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Undisputed World Bboy Series, Articles for deletion/2014 Undisputed World Bboy Series) Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 22:26, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Misty Copeland at WP:FAC
Please join the discussion at Featured article candidates/Misty Copeland/archive1.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:24, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

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Hi, Everyone, I've drafted an infobox for choreographic works in my sandbox and would greatly appreciate your feedback/review before I formally proposing it. Thank you! Megs (talk) 17:41, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

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Damian Woetzel
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Missing topics list
My list of missing topics about dance is updated - Skysmith (talk) 13:34, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Draft:Algorithmic Choreography
Please help evaluate this draft at AFC. If you do not wish or know how to do an AFC review, simply post your comments to the draft's talk page. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:26, 6 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Is this project dead? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 21:48, 19 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Only one source (the blog entry "Towards Computer Generated Choreography") mentions the term "algorithmic choreography". Perhaps the term "computer-generated choreography" -- which appears in most (if not all) of the sources, including the above blog -- would be a better title? Lambtron (talk) 22:37, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Danza Organica
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Sharon Kinney
Sharon Kinney, a choreographer, is currently the subject of a deletion discussion. I think it would be helpful to have participation from this project, as few or none of the participants on the AfD (myself included) have a lot of dance expertise. —David Eppstein (talk) 03:03, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

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National Folklore Theft
Hello;

1-This page is taking every single Egyptian Folklore heritage and claiming it to 22 countries that are not any related to the folklore. Clear appropriation (Kindly check the history page).

2- North Africans (Egyptians, Moroccans, Algerians...) are not ethnically Arabs (Belong to Bedouin Tribes) so calling their Folk dances by Arab dance is clear culture appropriation and exclusion to Coptic, Berbers and all North African countries' cultural right to have their National Folk dances named after their people and home (i.e. Egyptian Folk dance, Moroccan Folk dance...and so on). An Egyptian Folklore simply belongs to Egypt.

3- Also, the word Arab itself is not used by millions of North Africans, so our Traditional Folklore should be named after our people/country and not other 20+ countries. What's the validity of creating pages that erase the identity of several nations and steal their Traditional Heritage. The article replaced every single Egyptian Folklore and every single Egyptian Traditional Dancer with the word Arab, in an attempt to claim other countries National Traditions.

Thank you all very much, Marina Towadros (talk) 05:26, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

Attn. Editors Re: Francisco Moncion - founding member of New York City Ballet and principle dancer for over 40 years
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There is a requested move at Talk:Waltz (International Standard) that could use some input from those who have interest in the subject. Your input would be very helpful!  Paine Ellsworth   put'r there  20:11, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

Dejargonization
All the articles like Chassé (waltz) really badly need their stepwork material rewritten in plain English instead of impenetrable hyper-abbreviated gibberish, per WP:JARGON and MOS:ABBR. At a few articles I started some cleanup ("forward" and "between" instead of "fwd" and "btwn", etc.), but much of it I have no idea what it means, so people from this project will need to tackle it. There's also an incredible amount of over-capitalization (see MOS:CAPS and WP:NCCAPS, and MOS:HEADINGS, etc.) going on, in the prose, in section headings, in table headers, and in titles. In many of these articles pretty much every single dancing jargon word (and many that aren't, like "left" and "right") is capitalized for no reason other than dance people like to write that way (just like specialists in virtually every sphere love to over-capitalize their jargon terms). This isn't DanceProfessionalsPedia, folks. :-/

— SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  08:56, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
 * WP:JARGON and lack of clarity are certainly common in ballet-centric articles (see dance terminology and what does it mean?). They are so prevalent in some articles that the description of the main topic itself -- let alone the stepwork -- is incomprehensible or obviously wrong. Lambtron (talk) 14:36, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
 * , I'd be happy to look into the matter if you could give me a shortlist of the worst offenders you have found or note the common nexus through which you became aware of the issues. I've been meaning to spend some time on dance related articles anyway. Snow let's rap 08:24, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
 * The "common nexus" has just been going into dance-related categories and noting that almost everything is over-capitalized, then looking in the article text and seeing that it's even worse. I started with Category:Waltz and did some working-over of many articles there, proceeding through Viennese waltz, Template:Standard waltz, Rock step, Telemark (waltz) (that one should be capitalized, being a proper name), Chassé, Chassé (waltz), Lock (waltz), Wing (waltz), Pivot turn, Right and left grand, Double reverse spin, Impetus (waltz), Whisk (ballroom dance); and Ballroom tango. Also veered into Country–western dance, Square dance, Modern western square dance.  And some hip-hop stuff: Butterfly dance, Airflare. Also Glossary of partner dance terms (needs work). Most of these articles have barely been touched in years, so the cleanup stuff I did is very evident, right at or near the top of the page history. And it's still not sufficient for the stepwork material, much of which I can't accurately parse. (I'm a two-left-footer, despite repeated and expensive swing, tango, and waltz lessons; I just gave up eventually. This is definitely not my area of terminological or experiential expertise.)  Also left some threads at Talk:Glossary of partner dance terms.  I didn't look at ballet at all, and did not get into other ballroom dance (just one tango – not Tango! – article).  Swing dancing is another pile-up of stylistic and jargon mess, but I would tackle it last; it's a really big set of articles, and it's easier to clean up the moribund pages in smaller categories first, branching out as needed to patch up the basic terminology articles like Chassé. So, someone looking to help could address waltz stepwork, or just start fresh on tango, foxtrot, ballet, modern dance, hip-hop dance, or (if brave) swing.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  09:24, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, I'm certainly not our greatest expert on dancesport styles, but I'll dig in with you and provide what insight I can, when I've exhausted the rest. I'll start with the modern and acrodance content.  Though I must warn you that with my off-project responsibilities right now, I may not get a full head of steam on it for a couple of weeks, with that many articles to tackle.  I'll continue with the hip-hop content; Butterfly dance looks like a potential WP:NOPAGE/WP:SUMMARYSTYLE issue that could probably be merged somewhere, even if it meant creating a catch-all article for future content.  I mean, honestly, it's not really sourced (a youtube video of someone doing a dance move not being anything remotely like an RS capable of establishing notability, ha).  But I really don't want to open the can of worms of figuring out idiosyncratic notability guidelines for how dance moves can be validated. Doesn't seem like a good use of anyone's time just now.  Incidentally, when you do get over to the classical dance side of things, you will see the problems are reversed.  There, outside of a few stand-out articles, like Ballet, the content is sparse and often overly vague and self-referential.  I had plans to overhaul it with a couple of other volunteers here, but, you know, too little time, and too many divisions of it, even in that amount I can spare the project! But I should move it back towards the top of the list; it's an underserved topic in terms of our content.  Sn<b style="color: #99d5fe;">o</b><b style="color: #b2dffe;">w</b> <b style="color: #d4143a">let's rap</b> 10:22, 21 July 2018 (UTC)


 * I do like the groove of that move, though. :D <b style="color: #19a0fd;">S</b><b style="color: #66c0fd">n</b><b style="color: #99d5fe;">o</b><b style="color: #b2dffe;">w</b> <b style="color: #d4143a">let's rap</b> 10:34, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
 * No worries. I 'spect this will take years.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  13:24, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Ecstatic dance
I've taken a look at Ecstatic dance and believe it needs attention. I have started a discussion on its talk page and invite WikiProject Dance editors to contribute. Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:08, 14 October 2018 (UTC)