Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Archive 6

programming language as language?
The proposed deletion of Caméléon language has been listed in Language-related. It's a programming language. Is that usual? —Tamfang (talk) 16:00, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. I've changed the sorting to Computing — Frankie (talk) 18:13, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Just thought I would mention that when I was busy doing this I saw a proposed deletion of a C++ related article which ended with a "delete". Just in case anyone here cares. Ottawahitech (talk) 15:13, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject Deletion sorting/Orissa
Do we need this Wikiproject. Absolutely no activity for the past one and half years. Articles related to orissa are anyway covered in WikiProject Deletion sorting/India. -- Anbu121 ( talk me ) 13:35, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Signatures in deletion sorting template
Please comment on proposed changes regarding signatures in deletion sorting template. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 02:48, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Extending Paranormal
Does anyone mind if WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Paranormal is extended to WP:FRINGE subjects in general? It seems that fringe articles as a topic is more of interest than specifically paranormal. IRWolfie- (talk) 11:37, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
 * The problem I see with that is that Fringe is more of an evaluation of the subject within its subject area, while Paranormal is merely a categorization. Take Cold Fusion, for instance. AFAIK it is regarded as a fringe theory, but for sorting purposes (that is, attracting the attention of editors with knowledge of the subject and the subject area, and/or access to relevant sources) sorting under Science seems more useful. Also, it not always clear whether something is fringe or not from analyzing the article when deciding where to sort, but I find that not to matter much since I would sort it according to its nature, not its status — Frankie (talk) 17:25, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
 * A recent example, Salutogenesis (AfD). Provided you see this right after it's nominated, is it a fringe theory? And more to the point, should that matter for sorting? — Frankie (talk) 17:29, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Delsort tool with Chrome
I see from the archives that there has been some discussion about this tool - does anyone know what is the current status, and if it is being worked on currently? pablo 14:14, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
 * (Bump) Anyone?  czar  &middot;   &middot;  18:15, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I use it with Firefox, but since some time now it is dead. Is it going to be revived or is there an alternative for this very useful tool? Thanks. --Randykitty (talk) 13:58, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

Creating "Management" list
Currently articles about particular businesses and about business practices are all sorted under "Business". The list is usually very large because of it, and not all management articles necessarily pertain to business, but to organizations and government as well, so I've been thinking of creating a "Management" list for them. It could be transcluded into Business so that editors that expect to find those sort of nominations there would still find them. Any thoughts? — Frankie (talk) 17:11, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

WP Deletion Sorting in the Signpost
The WikiProject Report would like to focus on WikiProject Deletion Sorting for a Signpost article. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Multiple editors will have an opportunity to respond to the interview questions, so be sure to sign your answers. If you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Have a great day. –Mabeenot (talk) 05:08, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

RfD for New Norway, British Columbia
Not sure if I added the notice for the above to WikiProject Deletion sorting/British Columbia properly. If no, feel free to fix. Cheers, Hwy43 (talk) 06:12, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Name change
I'm not sure there's an easy way to do this, but wouldn't it make sense to rename WikiProject Deletion sorting/United States of America as WikiProject Deletion sorting/United States? It's in line with United States and generally less clunky. --BDD (talk) 23:44, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't know if there's an specific reason why the long form was preferred, but since no one objected I guess we could go ahead with it, it can be undone if there's any problem — Frankie (talk) 08:28, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Speaking of name changes, any thoughts on moving /Rugby union to /Rugby football? I think it makes sense to include the other forms in the same list — Frankie (talk) 08:28, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

All wp:AFDs closed as delete on a certain date?
Just wondering if the categories devised by this wikiproject can help me:

I am looking for all wp:AFDs that were closed as delete on a certain date. Trying to locate a page that I contributed to, but don't know the name of the page. Thanks in advance for any tips. Ottawahitech (talk) 00:45, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Archived discussions organised by date can be found here, but it isn't done by closing date, categories are removed from AfDs when closed. If you tell me what topic it's on I can give you a list organised by closing date. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 01:38, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
 * @DUCKISJAMMMY thanks for responding. I wish I knew the topic too! The reason I am trying to locate all wp:AFDs closed as delete on November 1o or thereabouts is that I noticed 42 deleted contributions in my account, and since no one notified me of a deletion that may explain it I would like to find out where I went wrong. I hope this makes sense? Ottawahitech (talk) 16:10, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Odd situation where you don't know the title or the topic. For instance had it been about Aviation you could have searched here by delete date, but isn't. So given it was deleted on 1 November you should find it here unless it was re-listed. Good luck &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 17:14, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
 * @DUCKISJAMMMY, thanks for your help. I spent a good half hour checking a couple of hundred wp:AFDs which started on or about Nov 3 to try and locate all discussions that were closed as "delete" on Nov 10, but I could not find any that I contributed a large number of edits to. It also appears that some deletion discussions are closed sooner than 7 days after they were started and vice verse. Any other ideas how I may go about locating all deletion discussions closed as delete on November 10? 15:06, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Thought you meant the 1 not the 10 November, anyway I'm going to check the deletion log. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 01:21, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
 * @DUCKISJAMMMY, thanks so much for digging into the deletion log and finding all the wp:AFDs of Nov 10 (and sorry for my original mistype). I have looked at the list and, unfortunately, it appears that  another type of deletion erased 42 of my contributions on that date (most likely a category one,  I think). But again many thanks for your help. Ottawahitech (talk) 16:49, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

I continue to monitor my [|lost contibutions] by recording them daily. Funny enough after posting here on Nov 11, 42 mysterious contributions reappeared on my record. Unfortuanely, 34 others were wiped out since in dribs-and-drabs. Ottawahitech (talk) 15:30, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
 * You shouldn't take the number of contributions too seriously, or expect it to stay the same. It will surely go up and down, as various pages are deleted or restored. When this is just a general cleanup speedy deleted (e.g. deleting a user talk page) then you probably wouldn't find any record of it in the deletion discussions. You can always check the raw deletion log. —JmaJeremy  ✆  ✎  20:36, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

This project involves transcluding AFD discussions in category specific pages...
Some of the terminology used on this Project page is a mystery to me, but I am hoping I am at the right place for the following request: I would like to learn how to add deletion discussions to a project page. Is this the right place? thnx in advance. Ottawahitech (talk) 16:55, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
 * If you mean a project other than WP:DELSORT, WikiProject Video games, WikiProject Football and WikiProject Pornography keep deletion monitoring listings that work similarly to delsort, and provide a templated notice to place in the discussion. I'm not aware of other projects that do something similar, and many projects have automated alerts delivered by a bot when articles within their scope are tagged for deletion. It is normal to leave a note to specific projects if it seems it would be helpful for the discussion, and in that case you can leave a makeshift note on the AfD, but this is done in a case-by-case basis — Frankie (talk) 18:13, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I just realized that I assumed you were talking about other projects. For WP:DELSORT the process is very simple: select the topic or topics that the subject is related to and transclude the AFD to them, and then place the notice template on the AfD to let other editors know the debate has been sorted. For example . See here or here for the available topics — Frankie (talk) 18:45, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
 * @Frankie, Thanks for trying to help a hopeless/clueless fellow editor. I tried to understand what you wrote above a couple of weeks ago, but gave up. Anyway, in the meantime I decided i really don't want to spend the time trying to get involved. But again, thanks for taking the time - this change of heart of mine is not your doing. Ottawahitech (talk) 15:41, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
 * FWIW, the more I read your original question the more convinced I am that you should just ignore my first paragraph, and focus on the second. There's really nothing else to DELSORT than those two steps. See you around — Frankie (talk) 17:07, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Scott F. Wolter
Wolter is a geologist and not an academic or educator, yet he's been added to this list. I asked Frankie on their talk page but then realised that this is possibly a better place both for Frankie to reply and obviously others. Dougweller (talk) 06:25, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, I replied on my talk page before I saw this thread, but of course I welcome more opinions so we can continue here. My reply was: Only on the basis of him being a geologist that has performed an investigation in his field. Normally that kind of subject is judged based on how much their work is being cited by other scientists/researchers, and the assumption here is that those that follow Academics and educators are proficient with making that sort of judgement. Looking at the article again I think it possibly could've also benefited from adding under Authors (authors and academics very often overlap), but it doesn't make that much difference — Frankie (talk) 16:52, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Podeollie
Hi, sorry to be an absolute pain but I was trying to ensure the AfD for Podeollie was included on WikiProject_Dogs/Article_alerts along with all the other dog related AfDs. I can see it is listed under organism AfDs but I really cannot find the right category to get it included with the other dog project ones. Can someone help.............please? SagaciousPhil  -  Chat  19:18, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Organisms is the most specific delsort we have in-regards to dogs & there is no Category in relation to dogs/animals. Article alerts is always a bit slow so it will probable appear tomorrow, if not there is nothing wrong with leaving message on WikiProject Dogs talkpage something like "An article relating to this project is currently at AfD see Articles for deletion/Podeollie". Regards &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 20:32, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Brilliant - thanks. I have already put a note on the Project Dogs talk page as we seem to be putting quite a number up for AfD lately!  SagaciousPhil   -  Chat  20:44, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
 * No problem. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 20:49, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Alerts replace the need for this project?
I am just wondering if there is any advantage for continued use of deletion sorting when Article alerts is now available for WikiProjects? Ottawahitech (talk) 02:33, 8 May 2013 (UTC)


 * That does seem like a much more elegant solution. -- Visviva (talk) 03:39, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Many AfD articles have blank Talk pages and no WikiProject affiliations and thus would still require some degree of sorting. Potentially, though, this is a more elegant solution, with a more nuanced topic selection and practical benefits if the articles are kept. czar   &middot;   &middot;  03:50, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * User: Czar, I agree, many articles (and categories/lists/re-directs) have not been tagged with appropriate WikiProjects. I suspect this will start changing as WikiProjects ramp-up and add an alerts section. Without this section, many projects seem useless to many (I used to belong to that camp myself until fairly recently). XOttawahitech (talk) 14:02, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey Ottawahitech, long time no speak. Unfortunately I couldn't disagree more take WP:FOOTY not a delsort per se but a good example nonetheless, look at their Nominations for deletion and page moves section which has Article alerts directly below it. If you compare both lists you'll see that article alerts failed to pick up on 3 AfDs (World Soccer Player Rankings, Almessi CF and Iñigo Echepare) so had they not been sorted they would have slipped through the fingers apply that figure across all Projects/Delsorts and that is a hell of a lot of AfDs going unnoticed by interested parties. So I would be of the opinion that this project is still imperative. Regards &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 04:27, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Article alerts only work if you're watching the article or (it seems) if you're part of the project the article is part of? If you're looking for AfDs on a topic but aren't part of the wikiproject, well... - The Bushranger One ping only 18:02, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
 * From my obsevation it appears that article alerts are generated for a certain page when the talkpage is tagged with the wikiproject. When a page becomes part of a wikiproject, alerts will be generated, I think. XOttawahitech (talk) 15:40, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Those three footy AfDs were all picked up by AA once they were tagged as part of the WikiProject. I think the original point stands (adding articles in AfD to WikiProjects instead of adding the AfD to delsort lists). Using the existing WikiProject hierarchy is actually more efficient than using the separate delsort hierarchy. czar   &middot;   &middot;  18:37, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I and several other editors are active in WikiProject Deletion sorting/Academics and educators. Alerts would not help there, because (1) there is no associated WikiProject that covers articles about academic people, and (2) many of the articles up for deletion are new enough that they are not tagged by projects that would fit them. I suspect that (2) is true for many other deletion areas as well. —David Eppstein (talk) 19:04, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Free Press (magazine)
Something in the formatting is messed up that prevents anybody here from editing it. Crtew (talk) 13:26, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Crtew, your going to have to be more specific. There was an error in the AfD itself which I've fixed but I can't find anything preventing you from editing the article or AfD. &#9733;&#9734; DUCK IS JAMMMY &#9734;&#9733; 14:09, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Adding extra information to Deletion sorting message
WP:WPNZ is developing a list of New Zealand-related sources at WikiProject New Zealand/Sources. It is expected that these sources will be particularly used in AfDs (and for achieving NPOV in BLPs). Is there a way to include the link during the deletion sorting process? Stuartyeates (talk) 22:12, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Daniel Street
Could tou people consider voting on the Daniel Street AfD? ThanksPhd8511 (talk) 15:02, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

News delsort
I just became aware of the News delsort. Due to WP:NOTNEWS, isn't this a bit prejudicial? What's next, WikiProject Deletion sorting/Cruft? I'm inclined to test it at MfD, but I thought I'd check in here to see if there was a good rationale I'm overlooking first. --BDD (talk) 20:26, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Taken to MfD; see Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/News. --BDD (talk) 04:06, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

shortcuts
I've added a few shortcuts:


 * WP:AFD/PROF
 * WP:AFD/USA
 * WP:AFD/UK
 * WP:AFD/SCI, WP:AFD/SCIENCE

Would be great if some of the other pages could get WP:SHORTcut links too :) Barney the barney barney (talk) 14:47, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Invitation to User Study
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SortUn
Under WP:DS/C there are 32 unsorted links. Do you guys mind if i categorize them under several headings? Pass a Method  talk  14:17, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Go for it! ;-) John Vandenberg (chat) 11:56, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Shortcuts
We have quite a lot of variation wrt WP:shortcuts. A lot of them appear in clusters under
 * Special:PrefixIndex/WP:DS (only a few of these are not delsorting shortcuts: WP:DSA, WP:DSWADR - nom for deletion, WP:DSYF, WP:DSAN, & WP:DSBUYN)
 * Special:PrefixIndex/WP:DELSORT
 * Special:PrefixIndex//WP:AFD
 * sub-shortcuts of the relevant WikiProject's shortcut(s), like WP:JA/D and WP:AUSDEL.

For a start, I think we should have a common naming convention for the shortcut to country delsort pages. e.g. either WP:DSZZ and/or WP:DS/ZZ where ZZ is the two letter country code. If we did that, WP:DSRU (Rugby) would need to make way for Russia. We have a few countries using one letter codes, like WP:DSA, WP:DSI, WP:DSJ, WP:DSP and maybe others. 'J' is fairly unique for country names, but Judaism is a suitable replacement target. The others are more problematic, with many countries starting with A, I and P. Which one should be given the shorter code...? Personally, I think that the one letter codes should be reused for topical lists rather than country lists. John Vandenberg (chat) 11:53, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Arts and entertainment Announcements
WikiProject Deletion sorting/People directs users to list models at WikiProject Biography/Arts and entertainment/Announcements. However, that page appears to be a dead letter. Nothing substantive has been added to it since June 2012; the addition before that was January 2010. I asked users at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography/Arts and entertainment whether the announcements page is still a going concern, but received no reply. I think it would be better to remove the link to WikiProject Biography/Arts and entertainment/Announcements and replace it with WikiProject Deletion sorting/Fashion, with the same parenthetical "(e.g. models)". Cnilep (talk) 05:05, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

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WikiProject Deletion sorting/Science pearls
I have proposed this page for deletion at MfD. Discussion can be found here. Liz Read! Talk! 13:35, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Leaflet For Deletion Sorting At Wikimania 2014
Hi all,

My name is Adi Khajuria and I am helping out with Wikimania 2014 in London.

One of our initiatives is to create leaflets to increase the discoverability of various wikimedia projects, and showcase the breadth of activity within wikimedia. Any kind of project can have a physical paper leaflet designed - for free - as a tool to help recruit new contributors. These leaflets will be printed at Wikimania 2014, and the designs can be re-used in the future at other events and locations.

This is particularly aimed at highlighting less discoverable but successful projects, e.g:

• Active Wikiprojects: Wikiproject Medicine, WikiProject Video Games, Wikiproject Film

• Tech projects/Tools, which may be looking for either users or developers.

• Less known major projects: Wikinews, Wikidata, Wikivoyage, etc.

• Wiki Loves Parliaments, Wiki Loves Monuments, Wiki Loves ____

• Wikimedia thematic organisations, Wikiwomen’s Collaborative, The Signpost

For more information or to sign up for one for your project, go to: Project leaflets Adikhajuria (talk) 09:02, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Delsort tool
I have made a proposal for deletion sorting to be added to Twinkle since the now-broken tool by John Vandenberg required Twinkle. Ks0stm (T•C•G•E) 20:37, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Tagging categories
I don't think that categories being proposed for deletion, renaming or merging at CfD are being "picked up" by this deletion sorting. Does each nomination need to be tagged with the relevant topic? I see a tag for AfD discussions but none for CfD. This would really be welcome as I've been posting dozens of CfD notices on related WikiProjects to alert them about deletion discussions. Liz Read! Talk! 15:06, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Apologies
For the want of a better place, I'm gonna dump a list of politic figures here. These BLPs haven't had citations provided in over three months. I haven't checked them over, perhaps some may need to be deleted but I'm busy in other areas right now so any help you guys can give would be greatly appreciated. Cheers. -- Hillbillyholiday talk 03:48, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

S. M. L. Marikkar

Risa Hontiveros

Jonathan Greenblatt

Don Francis (Canadian politician)

Carl Devlies

G. S. Basavaraj

Louis Besson

Robin R. Sanders

Gwendolyn Rutten

Manikam V. Pillay

James Byron Bissett

Dai Qing

Mathias De Clercq

Raseen Mohammed Imam

Pierre-Yves Monette

Pongsapat Pongcharoen

G. Sudhakaran

Veton Surroi

Anwar ul Haq (Baheer Mujahid)

Wu Ken

Mo Yongqing


 * Why don't you try prodding them? Xxanthippe (talk) 04:01, 14 October 2013 (UTC).

WikiProject Deletion sorting/compact opera.css
Can this page be put up for deletion? No page links to this one. Liz Read! Talk!</b> 18:12, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

WikiProject Deletion sorting/United States of America
Only a few states' deletion sortings are listed on this page instead of all 50. What is the template used to make them appear on the page? Or should this page just be a set of links? Liz <sup style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><b style="color:#006400;">Read!</b> <b style="color:#006400;">Talk!</b> 18:42, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Request for Freedom of speech deletion sorting

 * 1) WikiProject Deletion sorting/Freedom of speech
 * 2) WikiProject Freedom of speech

Could we please have a new deletion sorting subpage at: WikiProject Deletion sorting/Freedom of speech, to be used in conjunction with articles related to WikiProject Freedom of speech ?

Thank you for your time -- and thank you for this wonderful project for organizing deletion sorting on Wikipedia,

&mdash; Cirt (talk) 23:53, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Comment on the WikiProject X proposal
Hello there! As you may already know, most WikiProjects here on Wikipedia struggle to stay active after they've been founded. I believe there is a lot of potential for WikiProjects to facilitate collaboration across subject areas, so I have submitted a grant proposal with the Wikimedia Foundation for the "WikiProject X" project. WikiProject X will study what makes WikiProjects succeed in retaining editors and then design a prototype WikiProject system that will recruit contributors to WikiProjects and help them run effectively. Please review the proposal here and leave feedback. If you have any questions, you can ask on the proposal page or leave a message on my talk page. Thank you for your time! (Also, sorry about the posting mistake earlier. If someone already moved my message to the talk page, feel free to remove this posting.) Harej (talk) 22:47, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Piracy nominated for deletion
The page noted has been nominated for deletion. Please comment at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Piracy Oiyarbepsy (talk) 14:54, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Bublyk Kuzma Pavlovych
Hello! Could someone put this article for deletion? It was left, but this person is insignificant. In the Ukrainian Wikipedia article was deleted twice. Author just places articles about his relatives (sorry for mistakes). Шиманський Василь (talk) 16:59, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
 * @User:Шиманський Василь: I listed it for you. You can discuss it at Articles for deletion/Bublyk Kuzma Pavlovych (2nd nomination). – Philosopher Let us reason together. 20:14, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
 * @User:Philosopher: Thank you! Шиманський Василь (talk) 16:42, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

Thailand
I couldn't find a deletion category for Thailand. Laos also seems to be missing. For that matter, I couldn't find a generic "Asia" list either. --MelanieN (talk) 19:44, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

WikiProject Deletion sorting/Flat
What is the purpose of this page? It seems to have diverged form the original, and now doesn't work. I will try to rescue it if it is of potential use. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 01:37, 26 June 2014 (UTC).


 * See . – Wbm1058 (talk) 03:11, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

WikiProject X is live!


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Template:Deletion sorting
To someone such as myself who uses this template only sparingly, the documentation doesn't make it very clear that when you subst the template onto a deletion discussion, you then have to take the extra step of transcluding the deletion discussion onto the list. Five months ago, I made this mistake in the case of this AFD, assuming that the discussion would automatically appear in the list, and wondering why it didn't. I only figured it out just now when I did the same in the case of another AFD. I suspect because I'm using my laptop rather than my phone, I was able to figure it out now because scanning through many pages on my phone would have taken forever and therefore wasn't worth the bother. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 10:11, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Have we considered a separate AFD page for beauty pageants and contestants?
Currently, a LOT of beauty pageant stuff gets dumped in WikiProject Deletion sorting/Fashion and it is REALLY FRUSTRATING - unless the contestant has worked as a fashion model or in design, they often have very, very little relevance to fashion. Most of the time, the Fashion AFD page is overwhelmed by barely relevant AFDs for pageant contestants or for beauty pageants - at this point, there are 52 active AFDs on the fashion page.


 * Five are about fashion brands or businesses. These are legit.
 * Seven are for fashion designers, models, or people claiming (or claimed) to be (or having been) designers/models. Again, these are legit.

THEN... the remaining 40 are all beauty pageant related. That's nearly 77% of the Fashion AFD list - and even allowing for the fact there are a lot listed at the moment, that's pretty much par for the course. It gets very frustrating sometimes - I admit I've made quite a few snarky comments about it in various AFDs over the years. But is there a reason we can't spin off such a highly popular(!) category to its own AFD section? Mabalu (talk) 15:52, 6 February 2015 (UTC)


 * It looks like no one has created a new delsort in quite awhile, but I agree there are enough pageant articles to warrant a separate delsort. Looking at the history, it looks like normally these were just created upon request unless someone objected.  So, I can figure out what to do and go ahead and do it.  What do you think it should be called?  WikiProject Deletion sorting/Pageantry?  --ThaddeusB (talk) 16:36, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry I was a bit slow to this. WikiProject Deletion sorting/Pageantry sounds like a good and intuitive title, ThaddeusB. Mabalu (talk) 02:15, 8 March 2015 (UTC)


 * I lean in favor of a beauty pageants delsort category (suggest WikiProject Deletion sorting/Beauty pageants). My main concern is whether the need for the category will last beyond the current purge of pageant sock puppets and their work. • Gene93k (talk) 00:16, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I think it will last a good while - there will always be annual surges of new articles added and being nominated, plus there are always people who will think such articles are utterly unnotable. I've been following the Fashion AFD page for years and beauty pageant related articles were always quite a major part of it. Really doubt the pageant socks will go away anytime soon. Mabalu (talk) 01:29, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

New deletion sorting category (?)
How do I go about setting up a new classification for swimming topics? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 18:34, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

noinclude on Deletion sorting page categories
Currently Category:Wikipedia deletion sorting has a fair number of user pages that do not seem to belong to the category. It seems to be because those deletion sorting pages are being transcluded onto a feed page for those users. I would wrap the categories in each of the pages with a but I didn't want to break anything in case this was intended. Thoughts? &#8213; Padenton &#124;&#9993;  21:06, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Updates to list
I went through WP:DSL (Flat list) and added everything that wasn't at WP:DS/C (compact list) to WP:DS/C. While doing so, I noticed there are a few things in compact that weren't in flat, but I didn't have time to check that every thing on compact is also in flat. That explanation was probably convoluted, so: The List by topic (DS/C) now has everything in the lists by ABC(DSL), but the lists by ABC (DSL) may not have everything in lists by topic (DS/C) as of this comment, and I'm hoping someone else might be willing to go through it. &#8213; Padenton &#124;&#9993;  23:42, 3 May 2015 (UTC) Also went through most of [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3APrefixIndex&prefix=WikiProject+Deletion+sorting&namespace=4&hideredirects=1&stripprefix=1] and added to both. Both lists should be up to date now but I might've missed something. Few things:
 * WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Transformers - small scope, unlikely to be useful, hasn't been used except for about a week in 2009, won't work with WP:FWDS (needs to be formatted like the other delsort pages).
 * WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Yugoslavia - Country no longer exists, is this still useful? Yugoslavia
 * WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Maroc - I'm not too familiar with it but Maroc is a redirect to Morocco, so perhaps consider moving the delsort page? &#8213; Padenton &#124;&#9993;  01:07, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Neologism-related?
Articles about neologisms frequently find their way to AfD. We have WikiProject Deletion sorting/language, but the subject of an article about a neologism is not typically going to be language or linguistics but rather the meaning of that neologism. To take a current example, Queunliskanphobia may be an etymological curiosity but the subject is "the pathological fear of saliva", certainly of little interest to someone interested in language (though I suppose you could argue that saliva is involved in spoken language?). Add to this the lesser point that there are separate notability guidelines for neologisms and, to me, it makes sense as a delsort category. &mdash; <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;"> Rhododendrites <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk  \\ 01:40, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Devil's advocate follow-up: My only concern with this is that whether an article is about a neologism is sometimes controversial, giving rhetorical weight to the delsort category. It wouldn't be the only one that could be construed that way, though, and I don't think I've ever seen any problems arise because of it. &mdash; <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;"> Rhododendrites <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk  \\ 01:45, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

New helper script
After installing WP:FWDS and having my cactions menu (e.g. "More ▼") spammed with a whole lot of options, I made User:APerson/delsort. It functions the same way, meaning that you don't have to edit the deletion sorting list because the script takes care of it for you. If anybody wants to test it out and report possible improvements here, that would be great. Having tested it out on testwiki first, I'm certain there aren't any major problems with it. APerson (talk!) 19:54, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Math deletion sorting
I think there should be a separate deletion sorting for math-related articles, which would probably best be located at WikiProject Deletion sorting/Mathematics. However I am not quite sure if this is a good idea or how to do it, so I am posting it here for feedback. Everymorning  talk  20:01, 31 May 2015 (UTC)

Video games
I propose that WP:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Video games be setup like the other delsort categories. Currently it requires that discussions be manually be added since scripts like WP:FWDS and User:APerson/delsort do not work. &mdash;&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·E·C) 03:48, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm always surprised to learn people still use WP:VG/D when we have the better WP:VG/AA. ☺ ·  Salvidrim!   ·  &#9993;  03:53, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Last time this came up, WPVG editors liked having individual edit summaries for each addition—which is fine, as using the delsort script wouldn't change anything but the process of adding stuff to the list. (Maybe the list's structure would change, but whatever. It also does auto-archiving, right?) Anyway, support. – czar   04:38, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Support It seems the only real advantage of our current setup is the categorization by day, and I don't think that justifies making the system harder for everyone else. For those that prefer the dates, we do have article alerts. Reach Out to the Truth 05:00, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Support per czar and Reach Out to the Truth. Regards— ☮ JAaron95  <sup style="color:Green;font-family:Times;">Talk   05:26, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Please review the following threads: 2012, 2013, May 2014, September 2014. I'm fairly certain my opinion hasn't changed since then. --Izno (talk) 17:05, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The net change is that there would no longer be a header for each date and that discussions could be archived by a bot. CfDs, TfDs, and MfDs can still be added to the list. &mdash;&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·E·C) 20:40, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Relisting
I think that for each deletion sorting WikiProject, there should be another WikiProject that lists relisted deletion debates that were listed on that WikiProject before they got relisted. That way, experienced editors will be able to choose to nearly effortlessly participate in only relisted deletion discussions. If lots of experienced editors do the same, the relisted deletion debates will get so more attention then they would have. For example, For example, debates in WikiProject Deletion sorting/Internet could be moved to WikiProject Deletion sorting/Internet (relisting) after they get relisted. Blackbombchu (talk) 02:24, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

Disability deletion sorting
This is a request from WikiProject Disability that a section specifically for disability related deletions be created. We often miss relevant AFDs because no such sorting section exists. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 20:42, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Support - I think this is very, very relevant and very useful. We have sorting categories for geography and nationalities, and sexuality related AFDs, and I'm surprised that there isn't such a category for disability issues/disabled people/relevant articles. Mabalu (talk) 21:08, 4 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Has anything been done about this yet? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:10, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ at WikiProject Deletion sorting/Disability. Regards— ☮ JAaron95  <sup style="color:Green;font-family:Times;">Talk   09:42, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:44, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

New Companies delsort category
Hi WikiProject Deletion sorting: Just a heads up that a new deletion sorting page was created on 16 October 2015 for companies, located at WikiProject Deletion sorting/Companies. Thanks for your work in performing deletion sorting on Wikipedia. North America1000 16:58, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

USA list needs restructuring
The USA list has a strange structure and it appears to be largely ignored. The first section is titled "Deletion review", yet from what I've seen everyone just dumps all listed AfDs in that section without regard for its title. In addition, below there is a limited selection of individual states' lists, and it's unclear why states aren't transcluded on an all-or-none basis. —&#8288;烏&#8288;Γ (kaw) │ 20:40, 06 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Looking further, it appears that there is an attempt to transclude every state, but there is some technological limitation on the number allowed. In this case, they should all be removed and replaced with simple links to each list; I would advise placing them at the top under a message for related lists, similar to how the People list suggests more specific alternatives. —&#8288;烏&#8288;Γ (kaw) │ 20:46, 06 November 2015 (UTC)

Discussion on instructions
Drawing attention to discussion on the instructions for entering items for deletion sorting at Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_deletion. I would welcome input from the regulars on this project <b style="color:seagreen">Noyster</b> (talk),  11:59, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Merge proposals
I removed Hope Abbey from the merge proposal section, as it was merged with Eugene Masonic Cemetery on March 28, 2014. MB298 (talk) 01:14, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

Notice to participants at this page about adminship
Many participants here know a great deal about XfD and constantly evaluate articles in terms of notability. Well, these are just some of the considerations at Requests for adminship.

So, please consider taking a look at and watchlisting this page:


 * Requests for adminship/Optional RfA candidate poll

You could be very helpful in evaluating potential candidates, and maybe even finding out if you would be a suitable RfA candidate.

Many thanks and best wishes,

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posting to participate in a deletion entry already present
If responding to a deletion discussion should not be done on a sorting page, I suggest saying so in this page and on each sortation page, where we should advise people to go directly to the main discussion (each sorting page discussion has a link but it's not eye-catching). If responding on the sorting page is okay, that could lead to forked discussions where most of us and an AfD closer would likely miss it. Nick Levinson (talk) 03:54, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

Proposal to add a delsort for Malta
If possible, would it be feasible to create a delsort category for Malta, currently we are sorting Maliese-related discussions under the Europe category, which in my view is somewhat inappropriate. Nordic  Dragon  14:13, 1 March 2016 (UTC)

Washington
I think that WikiProject Deletion sorting/Washington should be retitled WikiProject Deletion sorting/Washington (U.S. state) to distinguish it from other titles listed at Washington (a disambig page) and in line w/states like Georgia that share names with other places (in the case of Washington, it's easy to confuse it with Washington D.C.). Do others agree? Everymorning (talk) 03:24, 4 April 2016 (UTC)  Agree - I agree with. --Jax 0677 (talk) 17:49, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Semiprotection?
In the last few days I have found myself unable to add deletion discussions to WikiProject Deletion sorting/Academics and educators and WikiProject Deletion sorting/Turkey, although I have been able to add them to other deletion sorting lists. I get no message explaining why my edits don't work, but the only reason I can think of is that the pages might be semi-protected. Are they? And, if so, why? And, to overcome the immediate problem, could someone please add Articles for deletion/Abdullah bin Abdul Aziz bin Mohammed al-Mous to WikiProject Deletion sorting/Academics and educators? 86.17.222.157 (talk) 18:14, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

Question about adding a category
Not quite sure how to put this, but shouldn't we include something like "women" or perhaps "notable women" or maybe break it down further to "women researchers/scientists/academics/"? If we add "women" it could be also be applied as a sub-category to the aforementioned. Thanks in advance. <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em; color:#A2006D;">Atsme 📞📧 16:29, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I think this is a good idea, there are concerns about systemic bias at AfD, and this sorting might help determine if this is actual problem or not (I see a lot of AfDs that are of women who are notable, but I also see a lot of appropriate ones on minor models and pornstars... sigh).  Montanabw <sup style="color:orange;">(talk)  19:45, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
 * You may be interested in WP:Article alerts such as WP:WikiProject Women/Article alerts, WP:WikiProject Women writers/Article alerts, WP:WikiProject Women artists/Article alerts, or WP:WikiProject Women scientists/Article alerts. You could even create a custom subscription. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 21:05, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

Delsort tags for files
There's a discussion about delsort templates for files at WT:FFD. Any feedback from this WikiProject's members would be most appreciated. Thanks in advance. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:25, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

Companies
I see someone moved the "Companies" delsort out of the "add custom" window, which means we don't have to type in Companies (capitalized) each time. I think this was a rather recent change and it's a time saver. thanks, Shawn in Montreal (talk) 13:56, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

Creating new list for Malta
I'm wondering how to create a new list of Malta. Could someone help me out? --Lemongirl942 (talk) 08:57, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
 * It's pretty straightforward. You can just create an article titled: WikiProject Deletion sorting/Malta. You can look at other country-based AFD lists as a template for the markup (e.g. Yemen). Make sure you also create a corresponding archive article, titled: WikiProject Deletion sorting/Malta/archive, and add the appropriate markup (again, you can look at other archives' markup for examples). Once you do that, make sure you add Malta to the two lists (WikiProject Deletion sorting/Flat and WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Compact). Hope this helps! GabeIglesia (talk) 09:07, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much for your help! :) I will create it shortly. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 10:30, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅ OK, created! --Lemongirl942 (talk) 11:59, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

Creating a new category
Hello! I'm interested in creating a new category and from what I've read in the talk here there's nothing to stop me creating my own. But I was thinking that it would be quite helpful to have a section on the main page outlining the procedure. At first I wasn't even sure if I was allowed to set up a new one myself or if I had to request it first. Just a friendly suggestion. PageantUpdater (talk) 23:38, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Archaeology list
Hello. I've created a new archaeology list, as previously archaeology articles tended to be inconsistently sorted into history, science, social science, geography, etc. Joe Roe (talk) 09:42, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes I just noticed that. Nice addition. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:28, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

Re-organizing a bit by topic
I just took the liberty of moving the Organisms deletion sorting page from "Topical" to "Science." There are a few more rather obvious moves of that nature, I think, for some other relatively recently-created pages -- such as Archaeology or Geography, both of which are sciences. Any objection to me moving more? Or feel that Organisms should've stayed under Topical? Perhaps Archaeology or Geography are the more obvious moves, in that they are named for bona fide branches of science -- where is Organisms is not called Biology. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:41, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I've moved a few obvious cases. I think the "Topical" section can be further depopulated into other sections -- or poss. even renamed. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:38, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * And as Category:Transport is categorized under Category:Technology by type, I'm going to move the delsort for Transportation out of Topical, to Technology. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:43, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Aviation, too, for the same reason. Won't do anything more, for now, in case no one's watching this page till after Labour Day. Of course, I should be clear that Technology and Science are under Topical. So I'm not so much moving things "out" but just moving down to the sub-sections... Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:47, 5 September 2016 (UTC)


 * I also alphabetized the topical sub-headings, so that Culture appears first, etc. That's a fairly minor change I think that should be non-controversial. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:52, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

WikiProject Deletion sorting/Discrimination
Hi deletion sorters, i have just added an afd to the above list, and noticed that it is showing closed discussions going back to 2012, is a bot forgetting to clean out this list? thanks. Coolabahapple (talk) 06:12, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
 * It wasn't listed on WP:DS/C, which the bot uses to determine the pages needing archiving. I have added it there and to WP:DSL. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 16:26, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
 * , thanks. Coolabahapple (talk) 08:10, 8 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Is there also any way to add it to the main menu for the delsort gadget? Right now, one has to select "custom", manually type it in, then click on the button again to see if it exists and can be added. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:58, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

A redirect discussion
Hi, I would ask editors more familiar with the technical side of things to please join in at Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2016_December_9. I've never seen a deletion sorting redirect before -- I guess this is why. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:14, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

Delsort sediments
Hi all, I've noticed while skimming a few sort pages that there are sometimes little bits of old stuff (like PRODs) that have settled to the bottom of a sort page, and apparently don't get cleared by bot. For examples, scroll to the bottom of New York or Massachusetts. I'm guessing these can be safely removed (the items are of a 2007 to 2009 vintage in those examples) but they do note they are for occasional archiving. Is it worth the bother? I see where the archives are but tracking PRODs etc. seems to have been a non-starter, and there's rarely anything of this sort in the archives. Thanks - Antepenultimate (talk) 06:21, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Need more lists
I tried User:Enterprisey's tool today on an AfD I started and added "Mythology" as a custom list but it simply came out as a redlink so I deleted it. The only other category even vaguely relevant was "Literature" so I used that. I'm sure there will be other things missing: can someone review the lists. Thanks! — Iadmc  ♫ talk 12:52, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
 * It doesn't look like WikiProject Deletion sorting/Mythology exists, so I guess someone can create it and then the tool will work on it. Enterprisey (talk!) 19:36, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Did it myself. Hopefully correctly... (Was hesitant earlier.) Copied code from Poetry subpage and changed Poetry to Mythology. I'll try the tool on it. Thanks Enterprisey — Iadmc  ♫ talk 19:50, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ Excellent. It worked! Thanks, again — Iadmc  ♫ talk 19:54, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Please add a link to the relevant AfD-page to their respective WikiProjects
As of right now this page lists AfDs by topic-pages along their relevant WikiProject, with the latter however not linking to their respective AfD pages.

Could somebody please add links to these pages to the lists of tasks of the WikiProjects? For the WikiProjects that have a ToDo-template it should be added there, for those which don't have such the todo items are typically included on the main WikiProject page directly.

The entry could look like this example for WP:WikiProject Film:

making:
 * Review articles for deletion nominations

Maybe it would be best to create script for that or a tool that helps with that task.

--Fixuture (talk) 23:34, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
 * While useful, I would say that is up to each WikiProject, not WikiProject Deletion sorting. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 00:04, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm aware that this is the optimum - however that's not how Wikipedia works. The WikiProjects simply won't add the link if you leave it up to them to find the link, become aware of the usefulness and add it themselves. This won't happen. So instead it should be added to all of the WikiProjects' todo lists with them being free to remove it again if they don't like to have it on there for whatever reason. I would add the links myself if I had the time to manually go through each link or if there were just a few entries on the page.
 * ...well actually the optimum would be that the WikiProject pages get streamlined and remade (see WikiProject X) with the respective link automatically being transcluded or linked from the WikiProject pages. But I guess that won't happen anytime soon. --Fixuture (talk) 04:03, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

A new project needs you
Please read Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship.

Please join and participate.

Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:01, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

User:John Vandenberg/Deletion sorting tool
This script by User:John Vandenberg is listed as 'reported to not be working' since at least 2015. Please remove it, and also blank WikiProject Deletion sorting/delsort.js if something like this is indeed not working. Leaving broken scripts out in the field leads to broken experiences for users who have it installed (and most people are not technical enough to properly diagnose their problem). —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 14:48, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Archive subpages getting longer and slower to load
Archive subpages, like WikiProject Deletion sorting/Events/archive, have been edited by a bot, operated by Anomie. The subpages have become longer and slower to load. Splitting the subpages would affect the bot's ability to archive an AfD discussion. How must we be careful on the splitting? --George Ho (talk) 17:07, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Did someone just change the way deletion sorting tags appear in AFDs?
... literally in the last little while, even today? Because in mid-stream as I do my sorting I see each tag is now bordered by a horizontal line. Was there a discussion about this? Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:23, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
 * About thirty minutes ago, somebody made a proposal to do that, but then blanked it. (See the page history.)  NewYorkActuary (talk) 15:29, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
 * More to the point, see the diff here. NewYorkActuary (talk) 15:32, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
 * What's going on here? NewYorkActuary (talk) 15:36, 26 May 2017 (UTC)


 * He's also on my user talk page claiming that I did it. What the...? I'm rolling this change back. It was never agreed to, the lines are far too obtrusive, there is no "confusion," and this editor is acting disruptively. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:40, 26 May 2017 (UTC)


 * See Template talk:Deletion sorting; they posted on the template page instead of here. — HELL KNOWZ  ▎TALK 15:43, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I apologise. I did it in good faith, i didnt realise/expect it would be considered as disruptive. I also apologise for blanking the proposal on this page. I thought nobody would have watch-listed this one, so i put proposal on deletion sorting talk page. But then I thought it would be a good change, so i did boldly. And no Shawn, I am not acting disruptively. — <span style="font-family: monospace, monospace;">usernamekiran (talk)  17:14, 26 May 2017 (UTC)


 * I don't doubt that the intent was good, although it seems that the consensus is to keep the status quo. Just a note to : these are put in the delsort-notice CSS class, so with a custom User:Usernamekiran/common.css it would be possible to style them the way you like (this would obviously only affect your own display).  —  Paleo  Neonate  — 00:10, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
 * thanks for the suggestion Paleo. It is appriciated a lot in the light of recent events. Thanks :-) — <span style="font-family: monospace, monospace;">usernamekiran (talk)  00:25, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

WP:WikiProject Deletion sorting/United States of America
Hello, folks. I'm posting this here because the talk page for the above-named sort-category is a re-direct to here. At the top of the sort page, there is an instruction advising sorters to avoid placing a deletion discussion in the USA category if it can appropriately be placed in a state-level category. And yet, some sorters don't seem to have seen that instruction. I'd like to duplicate the instruction in the body of the page, at the same place a similar instruction appears in WP:WikiProject Deletion sorting/People. And if that second instruction appears, should it be followed by a listing of all the individual state sort-categories? Or just a link to the larger WP:WikiProject Deletion sorting/United States of America/sorted by state category? Your thoughts on this will be appreciated. NewYorkActuary (talk) 17:53, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I support copying the instructions in the form of "strongly suggested." As for listing states, the separate sorted by state list exists due to template transclusion limits. Unless that technical issue is solved, I suggest leaving it as it is. • Gene93k (talk) 17:35, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
 * I also support copying the instructions....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 18:14, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Deletion sorting: Trump?
I wonder if someone handy could set up "Trump-related deletion discussions" page? There seems to be quite a number of such articles coming up for deletion, so a dedicated page may be nice. K.e.coffman (talk) 04:09, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

When to restrict US-related Afd discussions to state-level pages
Hi. has taken to reverting my edits here and now here when I've added Afd discussions for American bio articles who appeared to me to have a claim for notability at the national level. In the case of King, the article has since been amended to clarify that he "lead (sic) the field program in the state for Keep the Promise I PAC supporting Ted Cruz," so I accept that the claim to notability may well rest at the state level. But regarding the latest case, Articles for deletion/James Carter IV, he is said in the lead to have "entered the public eye during the 2012 presidential election, when he discovered video of Mitt Romney's 47% comment." The claim to notability isn't tied to Carter's residency in Georgia, it seems to me, but what he did or didn't do to shape the 2012 presidential campaign of Mitt Romney, the former Governor of Massachusetts. This is a case where I feel we have a valid reason to 'go national' for editors who may not be interested in every one of the 50 state-level Afds. May I ask other editors state their views here? I understand the need to diffuse as many discussions as possible to the state level, as instructed atop the page. It's something I do try to do in my deletion sorting. I'm trying to find what the common sense cut off is for American figures who are arguably nationally notable. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:11, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Hello, Shawn. As you might have noticed, I started a thread about this topic two months back (it's still here on this page).  I didn't yet implement it because, quite frankly, it slipped my mind.  But I'll hold off a bit longer until your discussion here is resolved. The reason that thread got started was because there was a small number of sorters who were routinely adding pages to both the state and the country lists.  But the issue raised by your question isn't quite the same.  As I understand it, your question seems to be whether there are any circumstances where the country list is to be used in lieu of the state list (and not just in addition to the state list).  And I don't have an answer to that.  In all likelihood, I would probably have sorted Carter to "Georgia", confident in the knowledge that people interest in politics would also see the AfD listed under "Politicians".  But if I had come across your sorting to "United States", I wouldn't have changed it. I recognize that this is a rather wishy-washy response.  But it reflects my feeling that this is a really borderline case.  I hope my response is at least a little bit helpful.  NewYorkActuary (talk) 20:38, 23 July 2017 (UTC)


 * No, to my embarrassment I didn't spot that earlier on this page. I had been dismayed too to see so many local Afds added to the national USA list, but out of common sense and logic rather than any awareness of the strongly worded caution on the Wiki project page. In these two cases, they'd be (and are) in Politics rather than Politicians but that's of little matter. Well, I seem to be in the minority but we do at least agree that Carter's article and Afd isn't blatantly so out of place as a nationally notable example as I think WilliamJE's removal makes it to be. I'll stop. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 20:53, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Adding deletion sorting lists
Could someone please add the deletion sorting lists "Band and musicians" and "Music" (and possibly "Maryland") to my AfD of Stacked Like Pancakes yesterday? And while you're at it, could you please explain why I don't seem to be able to do it myself? It used to work fine, but the last couple of times I've tried, it apparently ends up as part of the script for the AfD itself, and I have no idea why. I follow the instructions for nominating an article and add the template  , etc. but it doesn't seem to add the AfD to the relevant lists. Thanks. Richard3120 (talk) 15:46, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Try using WP:FWDS. I didn't have an issue with Maryland. --Izno (talk) 16:11, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

How to listing categories and templates?
It would be very helpful if also categories and templates listed, is it possible? in the deletion list pages it is stated that:

"Other types of discussions

You can also add and remove links to other discussions (prod, CfD, TfD etc.) related to Computing."

while it is not possible, because CfD and TfD does not have a specified discussion page like AfD, I tested this for Categories_for_discussion/Log/2017_September_15 and I was un-successful. Can anyone solve this problem?

Editor-1 (talk) 10:36, 3 October 2017 (UTC)


 * It's possible that transclusion of the wanted section of the CfD/TfD page would work using  (see WP:TRANSCLUSION for more details).  However I wonder if this would be problematic for other reasons like maintenance bots, existing assistance delsort tools, edit capability, etc.  Another possibility is to also notify relevant noticeboards and WikiProject talk pages instead of using the deletion sorting lists.  — Paleo  Neonate  – 19:37, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh, and tagging the category's talk page with the appropriate WikiProject tags should also display the deletion/discussion announcement in the projects' article alerts if they use the alert bot. — Paleo  Neonate  – 19:38, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
 * WP:Article alerts handle CFD and TFD if the page under discussion is tagged for the WikiProject. --Izno (talk) 20:14, 3 October 2017 (UTC)


 * I tested  but it seems does not work, can you please test it? Editor-1 (talk) 04:08, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
 * on a test page does transclude the section for me, but does not include the section name or provide a discussion edit link, which seems problematic for use on such a list (unless a subpage was created doing that transclusion and this temporary page was transcluded on that list). — Paleo  Neonate  – 04:39, 4 October 2017 (UTC)


 * So what is the solution? I don't test the tags for Article alerts, but even they works properly, we need also to list CfD and TfD on the list pages. Editor-1 (talk) 08:11, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
 * I tagged the category, but it seems that WikiProject Linux doesn't currently have article alerts (I didn't see it here). If the WikiProject would like to have these, there is more information to subscribe here: Article_alerts/Subscribing.  An example alerts page, for another project: WikiProject Skepticism/Article alerts.  I'll post a notice on the WikiProject's talk page about this thread, in case a participant of the project would like to enable alerts.  — Paleo  Neonate  – 20:44, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
 * The article alerts have been added to the project (and are visible on the main project's page). — Paleo  Neonate  – 08:38, 7 October 2017 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I saw Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Linux, how you added this tag to this talk page? and what about WikiProject Deletion sorting/Software, WikiProject Deletion sorting/Computing‎ and their alerts pages? Editor-1 (talk) 09:13, 7 October 2017 (UTC)
 * The notification you saw at WT:LINUX was manually added by me using . The new alerts (at WP:LINUX) are updated by a bot, which uses Category:WikiProject Linux articles. Adding the WikiProject Linux template on the talk page of article/categories/templates/etc relevant to the Linux WikiProject should add those to the category, such that alerts would report if they are nominated (among other events). As for the deletion sorting lists (like WikiProject Deletion sorting/Software), they unfortunately require transclusion of a page, meaning that they currently only work for MfD and AfD which are using a separate page for each discussion. I suggest to instead add a CfD notice to the relevant public noticeboards or WikiProject talk pages.  A template also exists to add in the discussion saying that a particular page was notified with an optional reason, {{subst:deletion mention}}, as an alternative to the {{subst:delsort}} notice.  — Paleo  Neonate  – 11:30, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

WP:AALERTS need some help on Community Wishlist Survey
Many of you use Article Alerts to get notified of discussions (PRODs and AfD in particular). However, due to our limit resources (one bot coder), not a whole lot of work can be done on Article Alerts to expand and maintain the bot. If the coder gets run over by a bus, then it's quite possible this tool would become unavailable in the future.

There's currently a proposal on the Community Wishlist Survey for the WMF to take over the project, and make it both more robust / less likely to crash / have better support for new features. But one of the main things is that with a full team behind Article Alerts, this could also be ported to other languages!

So if you make use of Article Alerts and want to keep using it and see it ported to other languages, please go and support the proposal. And advertise it to the other deletion projects in other languages too to let them know this exists, otherwise they might miss out on this feature! Thanks in advance! Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 15:06, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Books?
Was surprised we don't have a category for books. We have "literature", but that's not really ideal for many books (and it encompasses more than books). Any objections to creating it? &mdash; <span style="font-family:monospace, monospace;"> Rhododendrites <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk  \\ 16:58, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Automatic prompt for deletion sorting?
Would it be worth requesting an automatic process to insert a prominent warning on any AFD discussion page that hasn't yet been placed on any deletion sorting list? I'm thinking something like the red message that comes up when a cite error is introduced, as can be seen on any mainspace page under Category:Pages with reference errors.

Most AFDs do get deletion-sorted, but in in the great majority of cases it's not done by the nominator but by a handful of dedicated people. If these people are not around, deletion sorting may be missed, as in 8 cases on the November 26 log, or may not be done until days later as with this one or this one. If we can encourage nominators and others to ensure that all AFDs go on deletion sorting lists promptly, it should make for greater participation and input from those with an interest in the topic area <b style="color:seagreen">Noyster</b> (talk),  12:15, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Which biographies are historic?
Is there a place where the definitions of each category are established? I am not sure there should be, but I would like to make a request. Recently I have put the majority of my efforts towards improving articles nominated for discussion with an eye towards establishing their suitability for the encyclopedia. My interest and focus has been on biography of historic people. In my mind, most people active more than 20 years ago may be considered historic. Thus, I focus on WikiProject Deletion sorting/History and WikiProject Deletion sorting/Military. Sometimes I look through WikiProject Deletion sorting/People to see if any are missed. I rarely find any, but I wanted to mention three types of articles I frequently see not categorized as history that I wish were: sportspeople, artists and actors, and small-town politicians. I don't mean to ask for more work, but I wouldn't mind if editors were a little more liberal in categorizing biographies in those groups as historic. I don't know if there has been a discussion on this, and am happy to hear the thoughts of others. In the meantime, thank you all so much for your work. There are a number of editors (of various different philosophies on article retention/deletion) who rely on it heavily and we all really value this project. Smmurphy(Talk) 18:27, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Help with setup of a new category
I have been delsorting for a few months now and have noticed a lack of Financial or otherwise related categories, so I made WikiProject Deletion sorting/Finance. However, when I used User:Enterprisey/delsort tool to add Articles for deletion/Mark E. Watson III to it, the discussion was not automatically added. Is there anything I have to do so it will be automatic. Also, will the various delisting bots recognise the category and operate, or is there something else I have to do? Thanks, L3X1 Become a New Page Patroller! (distænt write) 20:33, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
 * It needs to be added to the tool, which is not an automatic process; . --Izno (talk) 20:40, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
 * As for the bots, I do not know. Need to ping the bot op for that. --Izno (talk) 20:44, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I've added the list to the tool. Enterprisey (talk!) 23:17, 22 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks! L3X1 Become a New Page Patroller! (distænt write)  02:25, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

"Bands and musicians" archive seemingly not working
Once discussions are closed on the "bands and musicians" deletion sorting list, they should be archived at WikiProject Deletion sorting/Bands and musicians/archive 2. However, nothing seems to have been archived to this page since January 1st. Where are the closed discussions going – has an "archive 3" page been opened without anyone knowing about it? Richard3120 (talk) 00:36, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
 * The archiving edit summaries link to archive 3. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 00:57, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
 * thank you for answering – the box on WikiProject Deletion sorting/Bands and musicians (below the introduction to the page, and above the list of current open discussions) needs to be updated then, to say that recent discussions are being archived to archive 3, and that older discussions can be found at archives 1 & 2... I can't see a direct link to archive 3 on the page at the moment. Richard3120 (talk) 01:52, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I've updated the archive links in deletionlist, so the archive 3 link should now be visible. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 02:21, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
 * That's sorted it - thank you so much. Richard3120 (talk) 15:27, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Tag Question
Hi, I tried to add a couple tags to William Lanzaro and the XfD is not appearing on either of the deletion lists. Can someone help? Thanks --Enos733 (talk) 18:42, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Those are just notices. You need to actually add them to the lists. See the instructions at the top of each list. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 19:31, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Creating a deletion sorting
WikiProject Corruption is currently being worked on and I was wondering how a deletion sorting could be created for article alerts, as well as other alerts such as move requests and nominations. Thanks in advance! --Jamez42 (talk) 23:41, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

Deletion sorting Qatar
The page exists and has been used in the past but it isn't listed at Deletion sorting/compact and if you try delsort tab at the top of an afd, Qatar isn't listed. What is going on?...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 10:44, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

AN3 concerning a deletion sorting problem
Hi I thought I'd just let you know there is a a discussion going on about edit warring at WikiProject Deletion sorting/United States of America and maybe it would be good to have some input from project members as to this subject because the actions of the editor that has been reported is in the scope of this project. Administrators'_noticeboard/Edit_warring Dom from Paris (talk) 16:59, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Weirdness at WikiProject Deletion sorting/Sports
Why does this page have empty sections and subsections for some sports, like boxing? Various other sports and groups of sports (cue sports, etc.) don't. It seems weird, and unhelpfully gunks up the ToC, to preserve empty sections. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  22:51, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Boxing section emptied because no AfD sorted into WikiProject Deletion sorting/Boxing currently Hhkohh (talk) 13:20, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I understand that. I mean, why is there a Boxing section at all when it is not needed? There are 1000+ sports; we don't need empty sections for them (much less subsections and subsubsections!). If someone lists a curling (or whatever) article for deletion, we can just create a section for curling at the /Sports page, and remove it after the discussion ends. The ToC is a wreck, and implies that there's all kinds of stuff going on. It should only have entries for when there  stuff going on.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  21:34, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Unnecessary, for other sports, if article is about sportspeople, it should list in sportspeople, others lists in Sports Hhkohh (talk) 05:56, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
 * That doesn't appear to address what I'm talking about, Hhkohh.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  14:25, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Let other people reply to you, dear Hhkohh (talk) 15:28, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

WikiProject Deletion sorting/United States of America guideline proposal
Atop the WikiProject Deletion sorting/United States of America page a hatnote states: "This is a high level category for deletion sorting. It is strongly recommended you do not add discussions directly to it. Instead, please add them to a more specific category, such as a state and/or relevant subject area.  Please review the list of available deletion categories."

This has worked well for some time, as the page would become very long at times in the past. However, lately many additions to the page have been reverted, in a manner that appears to be a situation where the application of one's own criterion is coming into play, rather than the precedent for the types of listings that have typically been posted on the page. See the page's Revision history for some background on how the page has typically been used.

To clarify matters, I propose that the following be listed in the lead the Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/United States of America page, to create a functional guideline and to prevent misunderstandings.

Guideline proposal
This United States of America deletion sorting page may be used for the following types of articles:
 * Topics and subjects that are U.S.-based, whereby the article does not provide a specific state of origin or states where activity occurs.
 * Media such as films, television shows and books that have national distribution in the United States.
 * Products that have national distribution and a significant presence in the United States.
 * Multinational companies that have a significant presence in the United States, whereby the article does not provide specific state(s) of location.

— North America1000 05:46, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Discussion

 * Support per nom and it can help fix WikiProject Deletion sorting/United States of America/sorted by state template exclude issue Hhkohh (talk) 05:49, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * But suggest if there is three or more states, it should be sorted into WikiProject Deletion sorting/United States of America instead of states Hhkohh (talk) 06:00, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * This could be considered on a case-by-case basis relative to article content. We wouldn't want to limit individual state sorting in the process, particularly for topics/subjects that have been in several states but have had a pronounced presence in one or more states. North America1000 07:52, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh Hhkohh (talk) 11:08, 11 July 2018 (UTC)


 * support sounds good. However, I was also under the impression that the individual state sorting are also automatically sorted into the US category. --<i style="font-family:'Rock salt','Comic Sans MS','Courier New',Verdana; color: Green;">Tyw7</i> (🗣️ Talk to me • ✍️ Contributions) 07:05, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * That will cause templates exclude Hhkohh (talk) 07:20, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * what do you mean? --<i style="font-family:'Rock salt','Comic Sans MS','Courier New',Verdana; color: Green;">Tyw7</i> (🗣️ Talk to me • ✍️ Contributions) 07:29, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * It's best to leave the United States of America/sorted by state delsort page as is. The wiki software has limitations on how many pages can be transcluded. I noticed this problem at WP:DYKNOM in the past, where many transclusions occur. After a certain amount, then they just don't show up on the page. DYK solved this by creating an Approved nominations page. The U.S. delsort page used to be very long prior to creation of the Sorted by state page, so having a separate page prevents this problem from occurring. North America1000 07:36, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * +1 Hhkohh (talk) 15:29, 11 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Yeah I guess A lot of the problem stems from how easily it is to find out if there is an appropriate state. If an article mentions a company is US based but gives no state for HQ, then it goes into DS/US. The revision history is a bit off, as everyone I know uses the script to delsort, and thus never sees the reversion edit summaries. Thanks,L3X1 ◊distænt write◊  11:48, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Support this makes sense. Lepricavark (talk) 12:37, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Support, makes sense. Please ping me again if this passes so I can make my script pop up a warning about using this list. Enterprisey (talk!) 13:04, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment looks good but I do have a question about products and films that are distributed in the US but originally come from another country. Should they be included? Dom from Paris (talk) 13:34, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think Hhkohh (talk) 13:39, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I would say so, with nationwide distribution and/or theater showings in the U.S. Also, it would of course be appropriate to list in the country where a film originated from as well. North America1000 22:26, 11 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Support: Looks like a good move. &#8208;&#8208;1997kB (talk) 16:52, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Support. Makes sense. MT Train Talk 04:06, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Support seems a very good idea and this might be useful on other higher categories such as Europe, Africa or Asia. Dom from Paris (talk) 21:42, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment Films, books, television shows are usually but not always set somewhere. Films and television shows are filmed on location somewhere. ER, a medical drama from 1994 to 2009 was set in Illinois but filmed in California) Television shows are streamed and can be available anywhere not just the United States. Products are made somewhere. Companies, can be almost totally based in place and some small office or too in other places. A company with a 98% presence in GB and a 2% elsewhere....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 21:16, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't be adverse to multiple tag it with all the countries / states involved. For example, there's nothing wrong with tagging it with Illinois AND California and perhaps the United States. --<i style="font-family:'Rock salt','Comic Sans MS','Courier New',Verdana; color: Green;">Tyw7</i> (🗣️ Talk to me • ✍️ Contributions) 21:25, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment I think articles that have been sorted into multiple states should also be sorted into the main United States catagory. --<i style="font-family:'Rock salt','Comic Sans MS','Courier New',Verdana; color: Green;">Tyw7</i> (🗣️ Talk to me • ✍️ Contributions) 02:49, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Support. Coolabahapple (talk) 03:51, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Criteria over where the page should be sorted
I had a look at the Project page and nowhere does it mention what's the criteria to be able to sort into the country sorting. I thought that any pages related to the country e.g. albums released there, people born there, etc, are sorted into the country relevant country category. For example, if a singer is born in California but is famous in Australia, they are sorted into the California category and Australia category. Same goes for albums release in country Malaysia, Thailand, and China. The album are sorted into those country category. Please correct me if I'm wrong. --<i style="font-family:'Rock salt','Comic Sans MS'; color: Green;">Tyw7</i> (🗣️ Talk • ✍️ Contributions) Please ping me if you had replied 19:17, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Criteria over page sorting
I can't find any criteria over when a page is sorted into a category and when it's not sorted into the category. I thought it's sorted into all relevant categories. For example, I think a music album is sorted into the album category as well as the music category and into the categories of the countries the album is published in. --<i style="font-family:'Rock salt','Comic Sans MS'; color: Green;">Tyw7</i> (🗣️ Talk • ✍️ Contributions) Please ping me if you had replied 19:33, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, non-expert view here. I think as long as the categories are not ridiculously unconnected or you've added 20 to a single AfD then you're okay. The point of them is to get comments. If there are 2 or 3 categories already attached then I would only add more if I thought an obvious one was being missed or if the categories attached already were a form of quasi-canvassing. Otherwise I would wait a few days and see how many were commenting to see if any more needed adding. --The Vintage Feminist (talk) 05:38, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Definition of "topical"
The British tend to use the word topical as [https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/topical (of a subject) of immediate relevance, interest, or importance owing to its relation to current events. a popular topical affairs programme] The Oxford English Dictionary does also give the definition as [https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/topical Relating to a particular subject; classified according to subject. foreign or topical stamps] but I don't think I've ever heard it used like that day-to-day. I was looking for "politics" in the toc on the compact list but couldn't see it. I thought "oh, it must be under culture". I didn't realise that there was a topical / general list at the top (it's a weird list btw, Conservativism but no Socialism). --The Vintage Feminist (talk) 06:56, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Nicaragua
I created WikiProject Deletion sorting/Nicaragua and added an AfD for a Canadian who was born in Nicaragua. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 21:09, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Added to the by-topic list and the delsort script. Enterprisey (talk!) 23:11, 29 July 2018 (UTC)

"Artists" list is just for visual artists
This page has far to many musicians on it. I know artists are sometimes called "musical artists", as are "makeup artists" and "sandwich artists". However we do not need deletion lists for makeup or sandwich artists owing to the low volume of AfDs for these groups, and musical artists already have the "musicians" deletions list. The artists list attracts a lot of high-quality and thoughtful contributors to art-related AfDs. I for one am a bit tired of weeding out the rappers and the makeup artists. Thoughts on narrowing the definition to something like "visual and media artists, fine artists and craftspeople"? Pinging and  for input to get things started.96.127.242.226 (talk) 00:00, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, we have a convention, for example in categories, that "artists" means only "visual artists", which is all you really need to say. I think it is "recording artist" that mostly leads to these misunderstandings. Johnbod (talk) 00:14, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, this problem crops up in other areas as well. Musicians are added to lists of artists. That is because of the common language of referring to musicians as artists. But the distinction that we should want to be mindful of is the distinction (which generally applies) between visual artists and musicians, or singers. Bus stop (talk) 00:16, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I've changed this page with notes etc, but not moved it without a more formal !vote. If we go to "visual artists" we fall down the alphabetical listing, and are harder to find. Johnbod (talk) 00:21, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
 * just changed Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Visual arts to a redirect. Does anyone know why? Vexations (talk) 12:12, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Unnecessary for separate talk pages and these discussions should be held on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Deletion sorting when you talk about delsort like WT:PERM Hhkohh (talk) 12:22, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree, in so much as I only rarely contribute to the musicians, etc who show up here. I also agree that it creates unnecessary labor a) posting the musician articles here b) us having to mentally sort them out. I don't have the degree of expertise that I do w/ "visual and media artists, fine artists and craftspeople." I do think there are gray areas, like someone who does Sound art, which isn't visual, but certainly isn't a musician. --Theredproject (talk) 15:39, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, that is art - possibly music too sometimes. Johnbod (talk) 15:43, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
 * The other thing we can do is make sure the people adding them are aware of the diffference. Just over the last few days User:Hhkohh and User:Tyw7 have both added pure musicians to this list. Please don't do this! Johnbod (talk) 15:46, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Sure, can you post to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Deletion sorting, thanks Hhkohh (talk) 15:50, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Ok, done that. Johnbod (talk) 15:57, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

My bad. I was using Delsort and was under the impression that musicians counted as artists. PS isn't make up artists visual artists? I don't think there's a seperate category for them. --<i style="font-family:'Rock salt','Comic Sans MS','Courier New',Verdana; color: Green;">Tyw7</i> (🗣️ Talk to me • ✍️ Contributions) 16:11, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

There is a discussion over at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Artists, where several people have been complaining that people who are musicians in particular are being posted there. Please all note that by convention "artists" on WP categories, sorting etc just means visual arts people, not "recording artists", make-up artists etc. Please don't add noms to this list unless the person is said to be a visual artist of some sort. I've added a note to the list page, and we might consider changing the name to make this more clear. Thanks, Johnbod (talk) 15:56, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Can you add this notice to script, thanks? Hhkohh (talk) 16:20, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
 * "Visual artist" would also include such types of artists as "performance artists", "endurance artists", and "conceptual artists" of course. Bus stop (talk) 16:30, 12 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Picking-up the query about make-up artists above, their category is a sub-cat of: Category:Cosmetics people, Category:Film artists, Category:Theatrical occupations, Category:Television people by occupation. If their mainly work on film (probably the most common), they should be sorted that way, otherwise for theatre, fashion etc. Johnbod (talk) 17:41, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I was talking about deletion catagory. --<i style="font-family:'Rock salt','Comic Sans MS','Courier New',Verdana; color: Green;">Tyw7</i> (🗣️ Talk to me • ✍️ Contributions) 17:52, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
 * My point is the deletion categories should follow the actual categories, as appropriate b- so they belong under the appropriate branch of showbiz/fashion. Johnbod (talk) 22:37, 12 July 2018 (UTC)


 * What about changing the page name or definition to read "artists (visual artists, craftspeople or media artists)"?96.127.242.226 (talk) 20:18, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I think that's a little broad - a shoemaker or surfboard-maker is a craftsman, but not an artist, & "media artist" is rather vague. Johnbod (talk) 22:37, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I should have said "visual, craft and media artists", which fits fits a large amount of contemporary art production. Media artist is pretty established term for those working in video art and time-based media arts. It's vague to the same degree that visual artists is, which is perfectly appropriate, methinks. It's probably good to have craft artists in ther as well, since they show up often enough in art museums. 96.127.242.226 (talk) 04:08, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
 * The question concerns whether or not what the person does aspires to be art or not. Most of the time this is clear. Bus stop (talk) 01:33, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes. There are surfboards (and probably some shoes) explicitly created as works of art not utilitarian objects. True of many things. E.g., the world's most expensive pool cue, the Celtic Prince, is an artwork, and you'd be insane to actually use it to play a game with your buddies.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  02:36, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure that a surfboard and shoes and a pool cue aspire to be art. Bus stop (talk) 06:22, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Inanimate objects don't aspire to be anything, but their creators have specific intents, some of which are artistic, some of which are utilitarian. If you think a normally utilitarian thing cannot be art when shaped with artistic intent then you don't understand art and (more to the point) RS on art will all tell you otherwise.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  07:33, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
 * In the case of surfboards and shoes and pool cues the "specific intent" is the fetishization of utilitarian objects. Reliable sources will refer to many things as art and to an extent we are compelled to follow those sources. And there is no great harm in addressing even non-art entities in a collection of articles on items being considered for deletion. I think the main distinction this discussion is about is the distinction between musical artists and visual artists. But a question was raised about "crafts" and "media artists", which in turn led to your mention of a particular grade of surfboard, shoes, and pool cue. These are borderline cases. A big first step would be if we could just keep "recording artists", musicians, out of the list of visual arts-related articles being considered for deletion. Bus stop (talk) 08:20, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Are we not already tracking musicians/groups/composers elsewhere? It would seem redundant to list them here (and might drown out everything else due to the "I'm gonna do an article on my garage band" effect).  Also "off" to list the average carpenter or whatever.  But someone RS describe as an artist and who we're categorizing as one shouldn't be excluded because their art consists of repurposed utilitarian objects, or artistic approaches to something normally utilitarian; that was what I was getting at.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  09:53, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, we are tracking musicians/groups/composers elsewhere but phrases like "recording artist" or simply "artist" in relation to a musician causes some musicians to be placed in lists of visual artists. You are right that "someone RS describe as an artist and who we're categorizing as one shouldn't be excluded because their art consists of repurposed utilitarian objects". You are making a valid point. Bus stop (talk) 11:34, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Do keep up, SMcCandlish! That is the point of this thread. Johnbod (talk) 13:50, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
 * My coffee IV ran dry.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  14:24, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
 * So, just to clarify, the notice in the delsort script whenever someone tries to use this list should be: Note that this page is only for visual artists; musician-related discussions go on the "Bands and musicians" page. ? Enterprisey (talk!) 03:06, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Ping and  for some opinions. Enterprisey (talk!) 06:17, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes. Johnbod (talk) 12:47, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Category request: Folklore
I see that we have a WikiProject Deletion sorting/Mythology. Might I request a WikiProject Deletion sorting/Folklore? Myth is one of many genres of folklore, and a rather narrowly defined one, at that. &#58;bloodofox: (talk) 23:46, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Might be more practical to move the former to the later and just widen its scope a little. I don't think we need to have separate pages for these.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  03:41, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

Trump deletion sorting?
I wonder if an idea for WikiProject Deletion sorting/Trump ever came up, and if anybody would be interested in setting it up (provided that's a good idea)? --K.e.coffman (talk) 10:23, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a topic people would definitely be interested in; AfDs in that subject area certainly get enough participation. Enterprisey (talk!) 06:24, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Possible new lists
In addition to the history list, would it be possible have lists of some kind for 'non-contemporary' topics? I keep seeing, for example, articles about people who died a long time ago on various lists, but not on the history list. Since we have a severe recentism problem, and since these nominations are usually badly wrong, it might be helpful to have a way of identifying them quickly. At the moment, one would have to look at a very large number of lists to find them. James500 (talk) 08:46, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 * perhaps the nominators could be encouraged to add these types of nominations to WikiProject Deletion sorting/History. If a topic is "historic" in nature, then I think this would be an appropriate list. --K.e.coffman (talk) 10:25, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Non-contemporary topics do not seem to usually be listed there. The problem with DSH is that "history" (on some definitions) includes contemporary history, and everything that has ever happened including things that happened five minutes ago. It is not a very helpful list if you are looking for pre-1946 or pre-1919 or pre-1900 or pre-whatever topics. These sort of things tend to end up on a geographic list or a list related to people's occupations or activities. They can be very difficult to find because of the number of lists they are spread over. James500 (talk) 05:50, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. Which year do you think should be chosen as the dividing line, if any? (I'd suggest 1932, per WP:AP2, as a default.) Or we could just have "History" and "Recent history". Enterprisey (talk!) 06:03, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
 * If I knew what the exact cut-off point should be, I would not have asked. The end of the Second World War in 1945 is normally taken as the beginning of contemporary history. I suppose that pre-1932 would probably serve just as well. I don't think that division into "history" and "recent history" would fix the problem. James500 (talk) 23:52, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Script disruption
Apologies to anyone who tried to use my delsort script during a brief period just now - I broke the script accidentally. Should all be fixed now. Enterprisey (talk!) 00:31, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Use the projects
Comments please, on Village pump (idea lab)/Archive 26. Thanks, Cabayi (talk) 14:06, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

Rugby League
There does not appear to be a category for Rugby League and people are using Rugby Union instead - this is really not an appropriate category. noq (talk) 10:30, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Cue sports
How would I go about suggesting a new deletion section, for WikiProject Deletion sorting/Cue sports. Cue sports covers an awful lot of articles, including billiards, pool, snooker and quite a few video games.

Is this scope wide enough for a deletion sorting, and am I asking in the correct place?  Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 22:14, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

New lists in DELSORT
I created some new lists in DELSORT-WP:DSENTERTAINMENT and WP:DSKERALA. I created this because some articles related to this topic saw in AfD. Please check.-- PATH SLOPU (Talk) 13:40, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

UK page
Can someone more knowledgeable than me please put the covering info back at the top of the "deletion sorting: United Kingdom" page? It is not there currently because, stupidly, I simply deleted the vandalism on the page rather than do a full "undo" which would have restored it exactly as it was. RobinCarmody (talk) 20:42, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅ —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 00:43, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks. RobinCarmody (talk) 01:45, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Men
So why is there no WikiProject Deletion sorting/Men deletion sorting page? Sure, women have received maltreatment throughout history, which is my assumption for why this page exists (e.g. unfair coverage in media, lessened media coverage compared to men, gender-based bias in journalistic coverage, etc.), but so have some men. North America1000 02:14, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
 * 5 out of every 6 biographies on Wikipedia are men. It would be about as useful as WP:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Biographies. --Izno (talk) 13:54, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I created WikiProject Deletion sorting/Women because a number of editors (particularly from WP:WOMEN) would like to track AfD discussions regarding women. If you would like to track deletion discussions involving men you are free to create WikiProject Deletion sorting/Men, but I doubt it would be as widely used. feminist (talk) 01:09, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I actually don't see myself creating one for men; mostly just an observation. A new delsort page that would be functional is LGBT or LGBTQ, though. Presently, all such topical discussions are placed generically in the Sexuality and gender delsort page. North America1000 06:13, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

A new newsletter directory is out!
A new Newsletter directory has been created to replace the old, out-of-date one. If your WikiProject and its taskforces have newsletters (even inactive ones), or if you know of a missing newsletter (including from sister projects like WikiSpecies), please include it in the directory! The template can be a bit tricky, so if you need help, just post the newsletter on the template's talk page and someone will add it for you.
 * – Sent on behalf of Headbomb. 03:11, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Is there such a thing as too much deletion sorting?
It seems that AfDs are getting sorted into more lists of deletion discussions than they used to be. For example, Articles for deletion/Erika Tham is currently sorted into 16 different lists. Is this actually helpful, or should we seek to limit the number of lists that an AfD gets sorted into? --Metropolitan90 (talk) 16:16, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I noticed that exact same AfD, and have commented on the general issue before. Erika Tham is a Canadian TV actress, so the AfD should be sorted to discussions about Actors/Actresses, Canada, and Television. Her article mentions, in a purely promotional act of puffery, that she has lived in multiple countries and also likes to sing and dance. The users Tyw7 and Captain Raju turned that into 16 delsorts, which I find preposterous and bordering on useless.
 * This is not what the delsort process is supposed to accomplish. For example, I am active at the Bands and Musicians AfD page because I am knowledgeable on that topic area. While on that page I do not need to be alerted about AfDs on other things, which clutters up the page and leads to wasted effort. Meanwhile, there may be a community of volunteers who are devoted to improving articles about Singapore. So why do they have to be distracted at their AfD sorting page by Erika Tham, a Canadian actress in a kids' show? This severely perverts the once-convenient delsort process. --- <b style="color: DarkOrchid"> DOOMSDAYER 520</b> (Talk&#124;Contribs) 15:16, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
 * , erm I sorted it into 4. User:CAPTAIN_RAJU added the other ones.
 * I don't know. On one hand, perhaps users in the other specialty might know more about the actress.  I kinda agree with the major sorting but I sometimes disagree with what counts as major sortings.
 * I think maybe sort into places she was born and maybe where she work mainly. I sorted Erika into musician and woman sorting as well. --<i style="font-family:'Rock salt','Comic Sans MS'; color: Green;">Tyw7</i> (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 15:52, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
 * "Singer" is in the article's text, but she has done no work in music. Therefore she is not a musician and does not need to be at that sort page. --- <b style="color: DarkOrchid"> DOOMSDAYER 520</b> (Talk&#124;Contribs) 15:56, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
 * , fair point. I was sorting based on the text in the article.  I thought perhaps people into music might be interested in the deletion. --<i style="font-family:'Rock salt','Comic Sans MS'; color: Green;">Tyw7</i> (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 15:58, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
 * ""Singer" is in the article's text, but she has done no work in music. Therefore she is not a musician ",, your view, some editors might suggest that a singer's voice is an instrument therefore they are a musician. Coolabahapple (talk) 02:10, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I did not say that singers aren't musicians. I said that this woman is not a professional singer. --- <b style="color: DarkOrchid"> DOOMSDAYER 520</b> (Talk&#124;Contribs) 12:37, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I will add another preposterous example, and this one is on Captain Raju if he joins the discussion. The Erika Tham article cites a Twitter post to announce the fact that she is approximately one-eighth Ukrainian. That tidbit of information is not even notable enough for Wikipedia in the first place. Please advise on how this makes the Erika Tham AfD worthy of being forwarded to a community of volunteers who are committed to improving articles about Ukraine. The same goes for all other countries except Canada. --- <b style="color: DarkOrchid"> DOOMSDAYER 520</b> (Talk&#124;Contribs) 16:22, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
 * ""Singer" is in the article's text, but she has done no work in music. Therefore she is not a musician ",, your view, some editors might suggest that a singer's voice is an instrument therefore they are a musician. Coolabahapple (talk) 02:10, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I did not say that singers aren't musicians. I said that this woman is not a professional singer. --- <b style="color: DarkOrchid"> DOOMSDAYER 520</b> (Talk&#124;Contribs) 12:37, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I will add another preposterous example, and this one is on Captain Raju if he joins the discussion. The Erika Tham article cites a Twitter post to announce the fact that she is approximately one-eighth Ukrainian. That tidbit of information is not even notable enough for Wikipedia in the first place. Please advise on how this makes the Erika Tham AfD worthy of being forwarded to a community of volunteers who are committed to improving articles about Ukraine. The same goes for all other countries except Canada. --- <b style="color: DarkOrchid"> DOOMSDAYER 520</b> (Talk&#124;Contribs) 16:22, 16 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Not really. AFD is way to close to being an echo chamber, the more eyes we get on a nomination the better. I for one have watch listed the Finance-related page, if someone delsorted a page say 4 or 5 times and decided not to put it on the finance list then I wouldn't see that nomination.Thanks,L3X1 ◊distænt write◊  18:42, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Good point, but the Finance sort page could (arguably) become less useful if it is cluttered with AfD listings that are not even about finance. --- <b style="color: DarkOrchid"> DOOMSDAYER 520</b> (Talk&#124;Contribs) 19:05, 17 April 2019 (UTC)


 * , so are you saying we should delsort it in any category that is remotely related to the article being discussed? --<i style="font-family:'Rock salt','Comic Sans MS'; color: Green;">Tyw7</i> (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 19:11, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Relevance is more important that remoteness. E.G for a BLP: Timmy is an American investor. He is best known for purchasing a British auto company from bankruptcy, here is details. Timmy also has invented 3 cryptocurrencies, here is details. Timmy went to university in China and Denmark. While that is a very abbreviated example, the relevant DelSort categories would be USA, businesspeople, UK, transport, and finance. China and Denmark don't need to be added as it was very brief, and not what he was known for, neither does Education. An ]AfD I just saw has 7 DS categories, but I find them to be within reason and helpful. The category Women doesn't need to be added though. Thanks,L3X1 ◊distænt write◊  00:50, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
 * , well I would add China and Denmark cause there might be local references that Wikipedians covering those areas can access. Perhaps he did something in Uni that is noteworthy and generated local press. --<i style="font-family:'Rock salt','Comic Sans MS'; color: Green;">Tyw7</i> (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 00:35, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
 * That wasn't directed to me, but the key word in that question is "remotely". Some of the delsorts in the AfD that started this discussion are remote to the point of sheer nonsense. --- <b style="color: DarkOrchid"> DOOMSDAYER 520</b> (Talk&#124;Contribs) 23:34, 17 April 2019 (UTC)


 * Generally no. The more eyes the better on AfDs, especially for editors who follow deletion lists. However, I do sympathize with this example AfD, where if a person resided in a geographic location for a short period of time and is not generally identified with that geographic location, then adding additional categories doesn't make much sense. --Enos733 (talk) 19:16, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Editors who add afds to delsort lists are to be applauded (says coola who regularly does it:)), in this case of someone who has resided briefly in numerous countries, how do editors know that there are not non-english sources discussing the person in any of those countries? alerting editors who have an interest/expertise in a country and/or its language may reveal such sources, or the lack of them, the same can be said about any article up for afd, not just about people, that has apparently a throw away line about something for which there is a delsort list, it may (or not) turn up sources. Coolabahapple (talk) 02:36, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
 * I came here to say basically the same thing. it has always been my understanding that delsort is intended to sort by the primary topic or topics of the article under discussion, not to categorize the discussion in every possible way by every possible interpretation. I just closed Articles for deletion/Brandon Scott Jones, which was added to 8 delsort lists. No two paragraph biography of little-known actor has 8 primary topics. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:24, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Integrate MFD?
Is there a reason why MFD isn't mentioned in the deletion sorting thing? Like... Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Trilliant/sandbox + WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Astronomy seem to work... soo... is that wrong to do?? Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 04:45, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
 * The only trouble is that the scripts don't support delsorting of MfDs, so that for now, these would need to be done manually. I think including MFDs in here would be quite useful in drawing attention of the subject experts to drafts/portals being considered for deletion. Perhaps Enterprisey is willing to tweak his script to handle MFDs as well? SD0001 (talk) 13:30, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Actors living in the US
I have a minor disagreement with User:WilliamJE about tagging of actors living in the US, e.g. Articles for deletion/Sally Dworsky. I thought such AFD are tagged with the state as well as the general US page. I remember that Will had an AN/I opened against him with policing the US delsort. Can another member chime in? --<i style="font-family:'Rock salt','Comic Sans MS'; color: Green;">Tyw7</i> (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 15:57, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Pinging User:Northamerica1000 User:Hhkohh cause they were involved with the proposal. --<i style="font-family:'Rock salt','Comic Sans MS'; color: Green;">Tyw7</i> (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 16:01, 27 April 2019 (UTC)


 * The proposal ended up gaining consensus for the WikiProject Deletion sorting/United States of America page to be updated. The following listed below was then added to the main page. North America1000 04:04, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

This United States of America deletion sorting page may be used for the following types of articles: , so actors living in USA should not be sorted into the main page, only the state page? --<i style="font-family:'Rock salt','Comic Sans MS'; color: Green;">Tyw7</i> (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 11:26, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Topics and subjects that are U.S.-based, whereby the article does not provide a specific state of origin or where activity occurs.
 * Media such as films, television shows and books that have national distribution in the United States.
 * Products that have national distribution and a significant presence in the United States.
 * Multinational companies that have a significant presence in the United States, whereby the article does not provide specific state(s) of location.
 * It sort of depends. For example, if an actor has lived in 15 different states, or something like that, the status quo has been to include in the US Delsort page, and include sorting in the state or states where they've lived at or worked at for a long time, if available. It's subjective and relative to each article. Perhaps a more precise method can be discussed here for moving forward. North America1000 15:00, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 * How about Articles for deletion/Sally Dworsky? The article only includes a line about where she was born but no nothing else.  Presumably, she lived in other areas of the US. --<i style="font-family:'Rock salt','Comic Sans MS'; color: Green;">Tyw7</i> (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 16:12, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Personally, I'd include both the Minnesota and US Deletion sorting. The article only states that the subject was born in MN, whereas they are described as "an American singer-songwriter". It would likely be incomplete to only include Minnesota. However, others may disagree. North America1000 17:17, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Ditto. Will is back to policing the catagory as before.  I will re-add the US Delsort. --<i style="font-family:'Rock salt','Comic Sans MS'; color: Green;">Tyw7</i> (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 17:29, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Can you read? "This United States of America deletion sorting page may be used for the following types of articles:


 * Topics and subjects that are U.S.-based, whereby the article does not provide a specific state of origin or where activity occurs.


 * Does not is pretty clear language. If the article is in a state deletion sorting because that is where it originating, then it don't go in United States....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 11:31, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes I can read. Also User:Northamerica1000 says "Personally, I'd include both the Minnesota and US Deletion sorting. The article only states that the subject was born in MN, whereas they are described as "an American singer-songwriter". It would likely be incomplete to only include Minnesota."  And I agree with him. --<i style="font-family:'Rock salt','Comic Sans MS'; color: Green;">Tyw7</i> (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 12:49, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Twinkle now lets you add delsort while AfD nominating
The latest update to Twinkle has the new feature (written by User:SD0001) to allow the nominator to place the page in deletion sorting categories upon nomination. I've added it to the front page options here, but figured the team would want to know! ~ Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 17:08, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Why is this annoucement a bit skewed on the page? --<i style="font-family:'Rock salt','Comic Sans MS'; color: Green;">Tyw7</i> (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 17:36, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
 * There was an unclosed in the section above, I've fixed it. ~ Amory <small style="color:#555"> (u • t • c) 18:01, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

WikiProject Deletion sorting/Men
Please create a deletion sorting scheme for Men, as per the way WikiProject Deletion sorting/Women is set up. -- Netoholic @ 22:28, 9 May 2019 (UTC)

User:WilliamJE
Added a AfD, and it was removed by. When was consensus created that WilliamJE would be the curator of this sorting list? If items are being removed, is the editor making the removal moving it to a state level deletion sorting list? If a state-level deletion sorting list is not applicable, does it remain here? -Concerned- -- RightCow LeftCoast ( Moo ) 23:34, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
 * If the nitwit above would just read what it says at the top of the page- 'Whenever possible, it is recommended for deletion discussions to be added to more specific categories, such as a state and/or relevant subject area or what it says further down- "This United States of America deletion sorting page may be used for the following types of articles: Topics and subjects that are U.S.-based, whereby the article does not provide a specific state of origin or where activity occurs. He'd know better than to shoot his stupid mouth off especially when the article in question says the subject is from Arizona and Iowa. The last time I looked those are both United States....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 01:07, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
 * "Nitwit"? Do avoid personal attacks please. --Izno (talk) 14:55, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
 * There is no consensus as Wikipedia does not require structured leadership. William has been eyeballing the lists to prevent confusion and bloating on main pages for as long as I have been DSing. Thanks,L3X1 ◊distænt write◊  15:10, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

Excessive length and repetition
There has to be a better way to do this. It is making it hard to see whether a discussion actually has any participation. Uncle G (talk) 16:45, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
 * , hat really long ones? – Leviv<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">ich 02:15, 14 August 2019 (UTC)


 * Sally Dworsky had 9, including "religion-related", presumably as her family is Jewish! Johnbod (talk) 02:44, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Suggest sorters use collapse top and collapse bottom where the number of sorts is long. The article talkpage should also be examined for possible WP:OVERBANNER since being kept is a possible outcome. UnitedStatesian (talk) 05:10, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

Approx deletion rate for established articles

 * Originally posted at WT:Articles_for_deletion

Are there stats anywhere for the number of established articles deleted each day (i.e. not via WP:AfC/WP:NPP). I've been able to find stats for the number of newly created articles that are deleted (meta:Research:Wikipedia_article_creation), but not for established articles. Any rough useful, detailed stats a bonus! T.Shafee(Evo &#38; Evo)talk 00:57, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 15 September 2019
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 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: Moved. The arguments supporting the move outweigh the opposing argument, and the new page name better reflects the actual page usage. (non-admin closure) Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:48, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

– Reflect actual scope and the header for the AfD list. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 08:28, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Science fiction → WikiProject Deletion sorting/Science fiction and fantasy
 * Have you checked with, who is the operator of , that this proposed move can be accommodated by AnomieBOT? -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 09:50, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Just be sure to update WikiProject Deletion sorting/Compact with the new title, and move the archive subpage to match the new base page title. That should keep the bot working. Anomie⚔ 12:58, 15 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Support. I've thought this for ages. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:58, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Oppose I personally think a separate page for fantasy would be better than merging them. Otherwise, it's basically almost the exact same thing as the fictional elements sorting page.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 16:25, 18 September 2019 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. <b style="color:red">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

BLPs and literature works being added to fictional elements
WikiProject Deletion sorting/Fictional elements is for fictional elements, but in the past few weeks we've had BLPs and literature works added to them. Is there a problem with that, and if so, should policy be affirmed? FoxyGrampa75 (talk) 15:04, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Have you asked and  why they did it? -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 19:00, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
 * Ah. Whoops. Probably mis sorted--<i style="font-family:'Rock salt','Comic Sans MS'; color: Green;">Tyw7</i> (🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (ping me) 19:19, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
 * I've removed Articles for deletion/Brad Fraser from WikiProject Deletion sorting/Fictional elements. ミラP 22:08, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Please make opinion on Pozareport.si
This is an invitation. It would be good if Wikipedians who are not from Slovenia read Pozareport.si and decide whether to delete or keep it. It is a politically sensitive media outlet and local users may be biased. nomos2019 (talk) 14:57, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Kate Marie Byrnes up for Deletion
U.S. Ambassador to Macedonia. Career diplomat. Question of sources and citations. WP:BEFORE. <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 14:12, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
 * what are you asking here? -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 22:43, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
 * It is for attention of those to whom it may concern. I have no request or direction to give. <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 00:35, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

add?
Not sure if WikiProject Organized Labour has a separate deletion sort here...I searched but could not find. Is the protocol that one asks for it to be created? Or just go ahead and create it myself? Thank you.--Goldsztajn (talk) 21:41, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Deletion sorting is not done on a one-to-one wikiproject/delsort basis. The current list of delsort categories is at WP:DSL. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 21:46, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
 * thanks. What are the criteria for the creation of these categories?--Goldsztajn (talk) 00:05, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

Forgot to Assign Category
I forgot to select a category when tagging an article for deletion with Twinkle. Are there any next steps that I should follow to help out, either to correct for my mistake or to facilitate the deletion process in general? Robert McClenon (talk) 01:51, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * The deletion category is not, as far as I know, connected to this wikiproject, but you can correct the mistake by editing the line (B is the category, see Template:AfD_categories for others). &mdash;  Rhododendrites  <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk \\ 02:40, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I think what you are looking for is User:Enterprisey/delsort. --Izno (talk) 02:42, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

Deletion Sorting
Can an editor who isn't sure if they want to volunteer for Deletion Sorting in general to make an occasional contribution and be more helpful than annoying? Robert McClenon (talk) 01:51, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * You don't have to be signed up/participate in this project to use the deletion sorting categories. I've found it really easy to just install the script which makes it so you just go to an AfD, click the delsort category, and it tags it/adds to the category. It's a helpful thing that IMO everyone involved at AfD should be doing. &mdash; Rhododendrites  <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk \\ 02:40, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I installed the script, and nothing happened, except that I saw from the illustration that it works with the Vector skin, so that I changed the skin preference to Vector, and now it works. Does it only work with the Vector skin?  Anyway, thank you.  Robert McClenon (talk) 14:48, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * The class/ID it uses in the skin is not present in Timeless, so I can guarantee it doesn't work there. I have bugged the maintainer to change the CSS hook of interest but haven't heard anything from him. --Izno (talk) 16:37, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * what skin do you use? I use one for monobook (which I've learned makes me a crusty oldtimer or something :) ). I adapted it from someone else's a while back to include a very long list of possibilities: User:Rhododendrites/scripts/delsort-monobook-all.js &mdash; Rhododendrites  <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk \\ 16:42, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * User:Rhododendrites - I was using Monobook. I will see if I can get Deletion Sorting to work with Monobook, but I tried it briefly and couldn't figure out how to get it to work.  Robert McClenon (talk) 18:15, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh. I see.  A different script for a different skin.  I will try switching back to Monobook and see what happens.  Robert McClenon (talk) 18:16, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

note
thanks for this interesting page. --Sm8900 (talk) 15:31, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

"Wikipedia:DSC" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect DSC. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. ミラP 19:41, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

Algeria
I don't see Algeria listed in the list of country-related deletion lists, under either Africa or Middle East. Is it listed somewhere else, or am I missing it, or is it not being listed? Robert McClenon (talk) 15:27, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Delete Reset Grow
There is something wrong with this AFD. I can't get it out of displaying as unsorted, even by tagging it as Media and Music. Will someone please look at it? Robert McClenon (talk) 03:41, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
 * —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 03:51, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

How to delete something from a list
Jessie Grundy is not a woman so shouldn't be on WikiProject Women in Red/Article alerts or WikiProject Women/Article alerts. Could someone remove him to save other people wasting time? (Mostly in trying to work out why he's on the list, how he got there, how to remove him...) Thanks. Pam D  15:20, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I've removed it from WikiProject Deletion sorting/Women. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 21:12, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

Proposal for additional criteria to be added to Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/United States of America
I propose that the following sentence be added to the Page guidelines section of the WikiProject Deletion sorting/United States of America page. "AfD discussions about people, organizations, companies and other entities that are known for activity on a national level in the United States can be listed on this page." Here is a synopsis of events that have led to this proposal:
 * Back in July 2018, there was some disagreement about what AfD discussions should be included on the page. So, I initiated a discussion here which resulted in page guidelines being created.
 * On 5 May 2020, I added the AfD discussion for the Scott E. Langum article to the U.S. delsort page. This was performed because the subject has served as Deputy Senate Liason for the Coast Guard's congressional engagements with the United States Senate. Involvment with the U.S. Senate is a national-level activity.
 * This addition was reverted a total of five times by a user. I reverted the removal twice, and another user also reverted the removal two times, restoring the Scott E. Langum AfD discussion.
 * The user that performed the five reversions was blocked from editing the U.S. delsort page for two weeks (see this link for details and diffs of the reversions that occurred). The Scott E. Langum remains unlisted on the page.
 * At the ANI discussion (link) that was initiated on 5 May 2020, several users have essentially agreed that my addition of the discussion to the delsort page was appropriate, in various manners.
 * In hopes to encourage participation, I am neutrally pinging all participants at the recent ANI discussion:
 * I wish this discussion did not have to come about from all of this, but that's how it went. I'm looking foward to moving foward in hopes to prevent these types of situations from occurring in the future. North America1000 05:59, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Responses

 * I Support adding the sentence atop to the U.S. delsort Page guidelines section. North America1000 05:59, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Support: Preferably with just subjects instead of subjects, organizations, companies and other entities since subjects sort of includes all of them. Alternatively, with people replacing subjects in the list.It makes sense for this list to include subjects of national importance, otherwise it is just a list for American subjects with unknown state origin, which isn’t particularly useful. — MarkH21talk 06:05, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * (ec) I worded the proposal as such because the term "subject" typically refers specifically to biographical articles on English Wikipedia. Without the additional wording, people would be apt to consider only biographical articles to be applicable relative to my proposal. However, it my intention that the proposal covers all applicable topics, rather than only biographical topics. North America1000 06:09, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Really? I interpret subject as WP:GNG uses the term, i.e. as the topic of any article. The ambiguity is why I alternatively suggested to use people, organizations, companies and other entities instead though. — MarkH21talk 06:15, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, it's just semantics. at WP:BASIC, the term subject is used at times. At any rate, I modified the nomination slightly just now, while it's early in the discussion, changing the word "subject" to "people" (diff). It was done this way instead of having a big strikethrough in the nomination. North America1000 06:20, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per my ANI comment. --MrClog (talk) 10:00, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Support makes sense. L EPRICAVARK ( talk ) 11:55, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Support per my comments at ANI, William's talk page, and elsewhere. CJK09 (talk) 10:12, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

ORES-based automatic deletion sorting
I've just created User:SDZeroBot/AfD sorting (accessed by the convenient shortcut WP:AFDSORT), that lists current AfDs grouped by the ORES-predicted topic area of the article. I've also integrated shortcut descriptions and extracted the nomination statement from the AfD page into the tables. The bot will update the page every 4 hours. Hope you find this tool useful. Cheers, SD0001 (talk) 11:44, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Motorsports
This is not intended as a criticism, but a lot of motorsports related deletion discussions don't seem to be getting placed in WikiProject Deletion sorting/Motorsports. An example of a current (as of right now at least) one is Articles for deletion/2023 Formula One World Championship. They seem to be getting marked as sports related (which is fine) but it would be helpful if they could be marked as motorsports too. Judging by WikiProject Deletion sorting/Motorsports/archive, the category hasn't existed for long, and it doesn't feature on WikiProject Deletion sorting/Flat so perhaps it isn't visible enough? Thanks. A7V2 (talk) 23:49, 17 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I have just listed 4 AFDs in WikiProject Deletion sorting/Motorsports but this isn't something I can really do myself all of the time, and would of course be much better done by those who are sorting AFDs all of the time (since I would imagine the whole point of having these categories is to avoid having to sift through to find what you're looking for). Is it some issue with the automatic tools that causes this category to be overlooked? I note that on the /Motorsports page, it says near the top: "This list is also part of the larger list of deletion debates related to Sports.", but I don't see a motorsports section on WikiProject Deletion sorting/Sports. I am pinging the users who sorted the articles in question, , , , as well as the creator of the /Motorsports page, since I'm not sure who to ask, what the technicalities are, or why this particular category is overlooked. Thanks. A7V2 (talk) 01:12, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * User:A7V2, User:WilliamJE - You asked if it isn't visible enough. It isn't visible enough.  I use the Deletion Sorting gadget, and Motorsports are not one of the entries under Sports.  Please tweak the tool.  Robert McClenon (talk) 01:29, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply Robert (do I just call you Robert or should it be Robert McClenon...). I have no idea how any of these scripts/tools/etc work, and if changing it would require changing the script itself or just adding a category to WikiProject Deletion sorting/Motorsports, or maybe changing WikiProject Deletion sorting/Sports. A7V2 (talk) 02:16, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I've added /Motorsports to WikiProject Deletion sorting/Sports, but I don't know if that will change the tools or not. I also removed WikiProject Deletion sorting/Rugby league since it doesn't seem to exist anyway. A7V2 (talk) 02:31, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

BRFA regarding bot-removal of duplicate listings from delsorting pages
Please comment at Bots/Requests for approval/AnomieBOT 79. Anomie⚔ 19:41, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Where is the full archive of WikiProject Deletion sorting/Artists ?
WikiProject Deletion sorting/Artists points to WikiProject Deletion sorting/Artists/archive for the "Archived discussions (starting from September 2007)" but that archive only goes back to 9 April 2016. There are 1553 entries, so it isn't clearly the first 1000. Where do the rest of them live? I tried adding 1 or 2 to the end of the filename, but that didn't work. Thanks in advance. Theredproject (talk) 01:20, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * /Artists did not exist until April 2016. September 2007 is the default date in deletionlist. I added April 2016 to correct it. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 07:51, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks . Prior to 2016 where did those articles sort to? Arts and/or Visual Arts right? More likely one vs the other, or unclear? Theredproject (talk) 15:41, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't know. might know since they created it. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 16:01, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I guess it depends on the article (and specifically which categories it was sorted under, if any at all), but the Delsort archives for Arts and/or Visual Arts seems like a logical place to look. Maybe just looking under People would be the best option if you want to find as many artist AFDs as possible (though obviously there they'll be buried among tons of other ones). The Artists delsort archive does appear to contain every AFD sorted under there since I created it in April 2016. IntoThinAir (talk) 16:35, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Adding a country
As another editor has noted at Articles for deletion/Gayle Lloyd there's geographic sorting for Jersey but not for Guernsey. Is this something that one can WP:bebold and create or is there a discussion process to follow? Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 14:09, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

New Delsort category
Check out the new Delsort category/page at WikiProject Deletion sorting/Products. Take a look, and note the criteria for posting there, listed atop the page in a box. Thanks for your work to manage Wikipedia! North America1000 21:49, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 16 June 2020
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The result of the move request was: Not moved. <b style="color: White">b</b><b style="color: White">uidh</b><b style="color: White">e</b> 11:36, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

– Because most Women-related articles are sorted to WikiProject Deletion sorting/Women and not often duplicated to /People, this page is already de facto the location where Men-related articles are sorted almost exclusively. This move simply aligns the usage and content with an appropriate title, and reinforces that there need be no duplication between the two lists. Editors wishing to watch all People deletion discussions can Watchlist both pages (as I'm sure they do now), and as a side-benefit those already watching it won't need to make any adjustment because their Watchlist will follow with the move. -- Netoholic @ 02:36, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/People → WikiProject Deletion sorting/Men
 * What about the people who are neither, or both, or present as varying? --Izno (talk) 05:39, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 * We shouldn't make decisions based on the most extreme or rare cases. Leave it to future sorters to decide if that situation ever comes up (perhaps they just list on both). If you're concerned about presentation, then the current arrangement could be seen as treating /Women as if they aren't /People, or by treating /Women preferentially to Men by giving them their own distinguishing category. -- Netoholic @ 14:39, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Why not add WikiProject Deletion sorting/Men, but leave WikiProject Deletion sorting/People? Then we could have /Men and /Women treated similarly, but still have /People as a fallback for gender non-conforming people. --Mdaniels5757 (talk) 22:07, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * That's the best idea IMO. Andrewa (talk) 04:22, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Instead set up a new page WikiProject Deletion sorting/Men as suggested by above. Ticks all the boxes. No need to change the current title, just the descriptive header to add the new list to the thirteen (yes, thirteen) already listed there. Andrewa (talk) 04:22, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment - Seems relevant to mention that the proposer previously created the Men delsort category, which was deleted at AfD (ditto the corresponding wikiproject). As for this particular proposal, I'd ask about the reason. Others may disagree, but I don't see delsort as simply a matter of taxonomizing all deletion debates, but to do so in a way that speaks to particular editors' interests (whether that be topical interests [sports, social science], interests regarding representation [women, LGBT, people from particular places], concern for promotion [companies, social media personalities], etc.). I don't think any category should be added just for the sake of completion. There should be a reason. Is it also the case that there are users likewise concerned for the representation of men, who account for about 82% of biographies? Personally, I don't understand the appeal of having one for "people" either -- it seems too broad to be useful, but that's a separate discussion. &mdash; Rhododendrites  <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk \\ 05:35, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Very good point. What a mess. Andrewa (talk) 07:13, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

States of India
It's struck me as odd for a while that we have a cat for, say, Quebec (pop. 8+ million) or North Carolina (pop. 10+ million) and not one for Uttar Pradesh (pop. 200+ million). Given the frequency with which India-related topics appear at AfD, I wonder if it would make sense to include cats for the states of India, or at least some of the larger ones. Would welcome any thoughts. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 14:35, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Article at AfD that needs input
Hello, there is an article at AfD that needs input: Articles for deletion/Harvey Tolibao (2nd nomination). It's been open since July 24, due to a lack of participation/consensus. Anyone interested is welcome to join the discussion. <span style="font-family:Courier New, Courier, monospace;"> // Timothy ::  talk  17:28, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Fork sports lists?
I'm not sure if this is a common enough occurrence, or just a temporary bump due to someone looking closely at these, but currently, 19 of the 36 list-related articles are sports-related (and most of those are for individual seasons). Would it be worth it to keep a separate delsort category for sports lists like we already have for lists of people? –Deacon Vorbis (carbon &bull; videos) 00:25, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

'Rugby union' to just 'rugby'?
The AfD Articles for deletion/Jason Hanrahan has proved difficult to categorise as there doesn't appear to be a way to sort rugby league deletions yet. Please could either a 'rugby league' deletion sorting be created or 'rugby union' be changed to simply 'rugby' to incorporate both? Spiderone 19:05, 12 October 2020 (UTC)


 * I think it would be best to create a Rugby League category as they are different games. noq (talk) 20:32, 12 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Articles for deletion/2021 NRL season just added to Rugby union which is clearly inappropriate. I am seeing most AFDs that get categorised as union should be Rugby league. There is an appropriate WikiProject Rugby league that would it would be better to notify rather that the union one.noq (talk) 14:22, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Help with 2-article AFD sorting
Articles for deletion/Elevation Capital now includes SAIF Partners as a 2-article AFD.

It needs to be sorted in the categories relevant for financial companies that do business in China. davidwr/ (talk)/(contribs) 🎄  01:13, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Outdated compact list
WikiProject Deletion sorting/Compact needs to be updated to include newly created lists like WikiProject Deletion sorting/COVID-19. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 01:41, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
 * WikiProject Deletion sorting/Awards will also need adding Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 14:23, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh wait, never mind, it got added! Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 14:23, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Deletion list for books
Is there no deletion list for books? VR <b style="color:Black">talk</b> 22:55, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
 * - 'literature' is probably the closest sorting cat Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 23:37, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Tennis
Hi all, would anyone object to me creating a 'tennis' deletion sorting topic? There are almost always at least 1 or 2 active tennis deletion discussions at any one time. In my view, it would be much more frequently used than softball, horse racing and handball. Thanks. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 18:10, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Since no objections were raised, I have created WikiProject Deletion sorting/Tennis and populated it with the discussions already taking place. Please let me know if there are any issues. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 08:55, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

New sorts?
How does one create a new delsort? I see that there is none for Nunavut, Saskatchewan, Prince Edward Island, Newfoundland Newfoundland and Labrador, and New Brunswick. Is there a page with criteria for creating a delsort?--- Possibly (talk) 22:57, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
 * created one for 'awards' recently so may have knowledge of this. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 23:46, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Create an WikiProject Deletion sorting/Xyz with the following code, replacing "Xyz" with the subject area in question:

(optional)

== For Saskatchewan, the recommended shortcut is WP:DELSORT/SASK. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 06:17, 7 March 2021 (UTC)


 * see above. I personally would be happy with more Canada delsorts. They wouldn't be used as often as Ontario and Quebec but would still be immensely useful. There are several US states that are only occasionally used so I see no problem with having one for Nunavut etc. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 08:46, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
 * thank you very much for the advice. Before creating more, I want to be sure I have it right. I did Saskatchewan and Nunavut which look OK, but the shortcuts are still red linked. Does it take time for the pages to be indexed for the shortcut? I don't see it available either when I use Enterprisey/delsort.--- Possibly (talk) 03:52, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
 * you have to create the redirects manually, I think. I've attempted to do that now. Let me know if it works or not. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 09:08, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
 * You forgot to add the Saskatchewan delsort at WP:DELSORT/FLAT. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 17:58, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

redirect
Just to note: I've edited WP:DS to discretionary sanctions per this discussion. Maybe a bit bold, but we have WP:DELSORT - so I don't see the harm - but hey, if you folks don't like it - revert at will. — Ched (talk) 19:25, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Scouting
Hi, I recently found this page: WikiProject Deletion sorting/Scouting, but when it's added to the Article Alerts subscription, it's giving an error code of "[Warning] (06-13-2021 08-04-46) Subscription "WikiProject Scouting" specifies usage via delsort topic expected at Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Scouting that is not part of delsort category". I don't know how to fix this, so I'd appreciate any help, thanks! Funandtrvl (talk) 20:40, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Most likely because it's not in the Category:Wikipedia deletion sorting. — HELL KNOWZ   ▎TALK 20:49, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * It looks like it's been fixed, thanks! Funandtrvl (talk) 22:44, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Nobility and royalty
There are a lot of AfDs relating to noble and royal families and members of them. Do people feel that a separate sorting category would be helpful? They currently tend to just get put in 'people' at the moment. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 14:36, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I've decided to create it at WikiProject Deletion sorting/Royalty and nobility which complements WikiProject Royalty and Nobility Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 12:14, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

User:Enterprisey/delsort.js now reads from WikiProject Deletion sorting/Computer-readable.json
My delsort script now reads from WikiProject Deletion sorting/Computer-readable.json. (A long-overdue change.) It's semi-protected. Enterprisey (talk!) 22:36, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks! --- Possibly &#9742; 02:07, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Subcategories of "Schools"
Enterprisey, Shellwood has just introduced me to your script. Would it be possible to add the subcategories of schools, i.e. "Universities and colleges" and "Other school or university articles" as currently everything goes into "Primary and secondary schools" and then may have to be moved manually. TSventon (talk) 02:24, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
 * , sounds like a sensible idea. Looking at the indices of deletion lists, it doesn't seem like there are any existing deletion lists for those two topics, so they would have to be created first; after that, the lists would have to be added to the indices and in particular to the computer-readable list, which will make them usable by the script. Despite making the script, I unfortunately don't know for certain the process for creating new deletion lists - looking at this talk page, it seems just announcing you're making them is enough. I guess we could wait a few days to see if anyone objects, and then create them? Enterprisey (talk!) 07:26, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

AfD Science and Technology Page Issues
What's going on on Category:AfD debates (Science and technology)? There's a user page, a few log pages, and a few category pages that seem to have been incorrectly transcluded. PianoDan (talk) 23:11, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Proposal: 'Good and Featured Content'
There are a number of discussions going on right now after an FA was merged, then delisted with Articles for deletion/Lewis (baseball) (2nd nomination) preceeding and making a fait accompli Featured article review/Lewis (baseball)/archive1. I propose that a new DELSORT list be added to which GA/FA/FL/etc. content up for deletion can be added, and those with a particular interest in such topics can review and participate. Thoughts? Jclemens (talk) 18:55, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
 * (Came here from WT:ATA.) An FA/GA DELSORT would be useful; I'd probably follow it. Given the extra effort that went into those, it makes sense to have a specific delsort for them. If for no other reason I'd be curious to see how often it happens that a GA/FA is nominated. (Maybe 's Oracle already knows?) Levivich 13:25, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

As luck would have it, my software does store article assessments (although not for articles that are deleted). Incorporating it into the Oracle's list pages would require a bit of work, but would be possible. jp×g 14:33, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
 * So there's a possibility that this could be automated in some fashion, rather than just manually added by editors, like most other DELSORTs seem to be? Jclemens (talk) 17:33, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, either that, or have DELSORTS added automatically (since GA/FA are very easily machine-readable from an article and leave no room for ambiguity). I'd be fine with submitting a BRFA for it if there's any interest. jp×g 02:56, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 21 November 2021
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The result of the move request was: Not moved. (non-admin closure) Natg 19 (talk) 09:11, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

– It seems like it might well be better to list this explicitly as the deletion sorting page for the particular football code that is being referenced. There are many codes of Football that should not wind up here and I believe that this move would reduce the number of erroneous listings that wind up at this location. — Mikehawk10 (talk) 23:59, 21 November 2021 (UTC) <div style="padding-left: 1.6em; font-style: italic; border-top: 1px solid #a2a9b1; margin: 0.5em 0; padding-top: 0.5em">The discussion above is closed. <b style="color: #FF0000;">Please do not modify it.</b> Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Football → WikiProject Deletion sorting/Association football
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. — Jkudlick &#x2693; (talk) 02:02, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose as the relevant WikiProject is WP:FOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 12:36, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose. For most of the world, football without a qualifier means association football. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:33, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose the relevant project is WP:FOOTBALL and for most of the world Football means association football.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 07:05, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

How to add a CfD link to this page?
I've tried (and failed) to add in a link in the /Women page, to this Category for Deletion discussion

Categories_for_discussion/Log/2021_December_5

Can anyone help me out?

Thanks Gilgamesh4 (talk) 15:10, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Mohan Shrivastava up for deletion
Indian polititican. Question of notability. Inherent language problems. <b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b> (<b style="color:#000">☎</b>) 13:30, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Use of PetScan on delsort pages breaks bulleted lists
Hi, I've noticed that any delsort pages that include the PetScan template (little box of links that helps to search for deletion discussions within a category) have a problem with the way that unordered lists (a.k.a. bulleted lists) display on the rest of the page. Since it's very common for people to organize their !votes in deletion discussions using unordered lists (i.e. ), this problem makes all of the transcluded deletion discussions display incorrectly. I found a way to fix this problem by using the Endplainlist template in the right place. For instance, see. It looks like the number of delsort pages that use PetScan is in the minority, but there's still a decent number of pages.

I overly optimistically started going through all of the delsort pages to fix them, and quickly realized that it would take a long time to do manually on my own. I only got through A and B of the geographic delsort pages. Does anyone know of a quicker way to accomplish this fix? I don't think that it's quite big enough for a bot task, but maybe someone with AWB or something similar could find a way to accomplish this quickly? <span style="font:bold 15px 'Bradley Hand','Bradley Hand ITC';color:#044;text-shadow:0 0 4px #033,0 0 10px #077;"> —&#8288;Scotty Wong &#8288;— 22:09, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, I downloaded AWB and figured out how to use it to fix the issue myself. I'll leave this thread here for posterity though, in case anyone plans on adding PetScan templates to other delsort pages, or creates a new delsort page with PetScan templates. <span style="font:bold 15px 'Bradley Hand','Bradley Hand ITC';color:#044;text-shadow:0 0 4px #033,0 0 10px #077;"> —&#8288;Scotty Wong &#8288;— 23:48, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
 * The problem isn't so much PetScan as it is the broken markup present on that page by the incorrect nesting of an "open" plainlist inside a list inside a plainlist. It's not at all clear to me how the "open" and "plain" options are supposed to work together, but what's there is certainly not right and the Endplainlist is just adding a little more brokenness to balance out some of the existing brokenness. WikiProject Deletion sorting/Japan and WikiProject Deletion sorting/Georgia (U.S. state) have examples that seem less broken. Anomie⚔ 02:43, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for looking into it. I'm honestly still a bit confused about how these pages are structured, but the Endplainlist seemed to solve the problem so I went for it without taking the time to fully understand the problem. But you're right, it may not be the ideal solution. I still don't understand why all these pages have a bare  in them. Seems like the whole thing is a mess, but I'm not sure if these pages are important enough or used frequently enough to justify the time it would take to re-create them in a cleaner way. <span style="font:bold 15px 'Bradley Hand','Bradley Hand ITC';color:#044;text-shadow:0 0 4px #033,0 0 10px #077;"> —&#8288;Scotty Wong &#8288;—  05:42, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
 * The bare  balances the unclosed table from, as documented in that template. Anomie⚔ 12:20, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Ahh I see now. Still seems messy. I feel like it would be a lot cleaner and easier to understand if the PetScan template supported multiple entries, rather than requiring multiple templates followed by a confusing bare . <span style="font:bold 15px 'Bradley Hand','Bradley Hand ITC';color:#044;text-shadow:0 0 4px #033,0 0 10px #077;"> —&#8288;Scotty Wong &#8288;—  16:12, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

Finance at Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Flat
Hi, I'm really out of my element here but isn't WikiProject Deletion sorting/Finance missing from the WikiProject Deletion sorting/Flat list? JBchrch  talk  02:17, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
 * No idea why it wasn't added. Dealt with now. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 17:28, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

User script to detect unreliable sources
I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like and turns it into something like
 * John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.
 * John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.

It will work on a variety of links, including those from cite web, cite journal and doi.

The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.

- &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b}

This is a one time notice and can't be unsubscribed from. Delivered by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:01, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Propose merging Behavioural science to Psychology


Behavioral science is a subfield of psychology. We don't need two separate delsorts for closely related topics. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 02:42, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

Can we make the name of the "Artists" list clearer?
People keep adding musicians, perhaps understandably. I'd suggest "Artists (visual arts)". Johnbod (talk) 22:51, 26 April 2022 (UTC)


 * While I'm neutral on the proposal, wouldn't "Visual artists" do the job in plainer English? • Gene93k (talk) 13:19, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I think it's important to keep the initial "A" - non one will look for "Visual", and the term is not in normal use and may confuse some. Johnbod (talk) 15:24, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Something should be there to signal ambiguity. signed, 511KeV    (talk) 03:36, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
 * To add to my last point, people often add items that should be on "Visual art" to "Arts", eg both items there just now. Johnbod (talk) 04:18, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

Can someone revert this? I don't want to edit war
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Lists&type=revision&diff=1091120204&oldid=1091118615&diffmode=source List of cosmic entities in Marvel Comics should obviously be on this sorting list.  D r e a m Focus  23:36, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅. the marvel article is not a list, but a list is nominated with it, so it should be included. the DC article is classified as a list on the talk page, so seems appropriate, too. &mdash;  Rhododendrites  <sup style="font-size:80%;">talk \\ 23:45, 2 June 2022 (UTC)

Punjab and Pakistan
I wish to link Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Punjab to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Deletion sorting/India and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Pakistan, but am unsure how to do this without breaking the existing formatting of the page. Also, the placement of this delsort in WikiProject Deletion sorting/Computer-readable.json and WikiProject Deletion sorting/Compact with with other regions of India does not seem to be WP:NPOV, since part of Punjab is also in Pakistan. –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 22:43, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Kashmir
I'm attempting to figure out how best to establish a new delsort for the region of Kashmir. This is a disputed region divided among India, Pakistan, and China. My hunch is that all parts of the region should be treated together because of its disputed nature and sparse population, but the relevant WikiProjects cover only the specific regions of Kashmir, e.g. WikiProject Jammu and Kashmir. What do you think? –<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b> ( d c̄ ) 00:20, 28 June 2022 (UTC)


 * @LaundryPizza03 Instead of dividing over state lines, it should have been done into 4-5 regional lines. Like North, S, E, W, NE India. These state DELSORT would have to be deleted and merged back to WP:INDIA DELSORT because of 0 participation. Venkat TL (talk) 17:20, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

xml url script embedding
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Software/archive?wprov=srpw1_15 2601:807:8700:A690:A894:D03C:4934:BF4D (talk) 15:09, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Question
Where does one del sort a cancelled streaming series that never streamed? It is not exactly "television" or is it? <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme 💬 📧 13:09, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
 * 'Internet' is probably the closest cat Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:37, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Disney

 * WikiProject Deletion sorting/Disney

This seems a little hyper-specific for a delsort category. I did a rough check, and I see there's been an average of about 2 noms per month listed here over its ~21 month life span. That's probably okay for broad categories that naturally just don't see a lot of noms, but for anything Disney related, stuff will naturally fit into other categories, be it films, TV, or just general corporation/organization stuff. I'd recommend closing this down. Thoughts? 35.139.154.158 (talk) 18:51, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

WikiProject Deletion sorting/Latter Day Saints
Spotted this as incomplete and also orphaned from the computer-readable list, both of which I fixed. Should it be folded back into Christianity? And are there any other delsort pages that aren't in the JSON? Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 07:26, 22 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Probably should be folded into DS Christianity, in my view. Regarding the last question, almost certainly. There are probably a couple hanging out in, as its been a couple years since I gave that cat a scrub. For ones not in the cat, Special:Search might have some helpful parameters, but it'll be largely manual searching. Curbon7 (talk) 08:51, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Delete Sort tool in Twinkle seems to be broken
The Delete Sort tool in Twinkle seems to be broken, not sure if this is the right venue to report it. Netherzone (talk) 20:17, 10 June 2023 (UTC)


 * I hear it's fixed now. Not sure what the problem was. – Novem Linguae (talk) 11:45, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Suggested additions
Howdy. I'd like to suggest we add some or all of these as their own deletion sorting pages:


 * SNGs that currently don't have a delsort list
 * books (WP:NBOOK)
 * numbers (WP:NNUMBER)
 * sports events (WP:SPORTSEVENT)

My motivation is I want to get better at these niche SNGs by reading a bunch of them. Thoughts? – Novem Linguae (talk) 11:45, 23 June 2023 (UTC)


 * I just came here to ask why there wasn't one for books! So yes, let's make one. -- asilvering (talk) 23:44, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi @Enterprisey, @Spiderone, or anyone that knows the answer. Is creating a new deletion sort topic as simple as creating the page and then adding it to WikiProject Deletion sorting/Computer-readable.json? Does AnomieBot also read from that list to figure out which pages to delete old AFDs from? Thanks. – Novem Linguae (talk) 01:21, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

it's pretty much as simple as that, correct. The reason we don't have one for books is because that usually goes under the 'literature' sorting. Books might be a useful one to have, though, as non-fiction books up for deletion often don't get put as 'literature' as people may presume that literature only covers fiction. Numbers would usually be filed under 'mathematics' at sorting. Sporting events are usually filed under the individual sport and then 'events'. So, for example, a badminton event would be tagged for deletion with 'badminton' and 'events' and any countries involved. One thing that I find difficult to sort are magazines. I usually leave them unsorted. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 19:02, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Jersey
Why is there a delsort for Jersey? It is used only a few times a year. Shouldn't these and other unused delsort categories be consolidated? Sungodtemple (talk &#8226; contribs) 17:13, 17 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Restarting this. We should really just merge this into WP:AFD/UK, it's barely used. QuicoleJR (talk) 21:34, 28 July 2023 (UTC)