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From India
(posted on the discussion page of WikiProject Deletion sorting/India)

While google search is a rough guide to checking a person's notability, it shouldn't be the only criteria for inclusion. For example, I've noticed that leaders of political parties in NE-India have hardly three or four webpages with their name on it. As we go back in time, it gets even worse. There was not a single page which had the name of Peter de Noronha, one of the most famous citizens of Kanpur, later knighted by the pope. So I suggest use the google search with caution, especially for dated figures. =Nichalp «Talk»=  13:39, August 21, 2005 (UTC)

A guideline reads ''"tagging discussions. This ensures that participants are aware of this list and of the discussion's presence on it. You can tag discussions by adding "
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletions.  -- Gurubrahma 09:48, 14 December 2005 (UTC)" on a new line."'' Why is this necessary? --Gurubrahma 09:48, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
 * It isn't. It's a way you can help, if you want to.  -- Visviva 06:06, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

From Songs and Albums
(posted on the discussion page of WikiProject Deletion sorting/Songs and albums)

Wouldn't it be better to put new entries at the BOTTOM, for consistency with the VFD page? &mdash;Wahoofive (talk) 20:12, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Probably so. I started doing it this way (at the top) because I hadn't yet started to archive most pages. Now that most of the larger lists have an archive, it might be a good time to change Template:Deletionlist.  -- Visviva 03:58, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
 * On second thought, I'm not so sure. Putting the new items at the top ensures that users can quickly see what's been added, even if the page takes a long time to load.  I'm not really sure why VfD is sorted in the way it is.  -- Visviva 01:37, 17 August 2005 (UTC)


 * History. If memory serves, VfD used to be a single sectioned page, like the Help Desk and Reference Desk currently are; new votes were added by adding a new section, which defaults to the bottom of the page. Shimgray 09:43, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Please note that there is currently discussion on the talk page of VfD which may result in VfD reversing to put new items at the top - the same as on TFD, SFD, CFD, RFA, RFAr, FAC and just about every similar page on WP. Grutness...  wha?  00:54, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Issues
OK, I've been working with/on the structure at /Flat for a while. For the most part I think the categories work fairly well for their purpose (more on that later). There are some changes that I'm about ready to make, but I want to post here just in case people have some feedback:
 * Science and medicine --> /Science and /Medicine.  Not much overlap, and it would reduce the signal-to-noise ratio for interested users.
 * Americas--> /Latin America (rm Canada, US and transclude). Good idea?  I'm not sure.

I'm also thinking of shortening most of the /A&B lists to /A, for ease of typing.

Some generally problematic lists:
 * social science -- what goes here, or rather what doesn't?
 * technology -- likewise.
 * recreation -- does this category really serve any purpose?

-- Visviva 16:48, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Business
Can the WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Business be renamed to WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Business and Economics? pamri 17:26, September 2, 2005 (UTC)

"Closed" subpages
Should these be split by month or anything? Some of them are incredibly long. Alphax &tau;&epsilon;&chi; 05:20, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Still active?
Are these categories all still active? I notice WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Music doesn't have a new entry since 28 August. pfctdayelise 00:12, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Furry lifestyler, Japanese?
I read this article (whose AfD is transcluded here) with mounting belief. Yes, it's all so silly, it has to be true; plus there's the solemn attention to a teapot tempest: ''The phrases "furry lifestyle" and "furry lifestyler" first appeared in July 1996 on the newsgroup alt.fan.furry during an ongoing dispute within that community. One element within furry fandom believed that any peripheral interests not directly relating to furry art did not belong under the furry umbrella, whereas others believed that the definition of what constituted furry was up to the individual.'' (Love that "furry umbrella"!)

But what's Japanese about it? Is it that any mention of reincarnation makes something Japanese? Or that any adult pursuit that's mind-numbingly infantile is somehow Japanese? -- Hoary 09:32, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Business, Businesses, and Businesspeople
I'm planning to merge these three lists (of which Businesses is the only one currently maintained). This is partly because it will make automated sorting easier, and partly because I don't think there's anyone who has an interest in *businesses* or *businesspeople* who doesn't also have an interest in *business* generally. -- Visviva 10:42, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Meaning of transcluded
Could we have a plain-English word or explanation for transcluded, please? I would attempt one myself but might botch it up. Sincerely, GeorgeLouis 16:52, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, nobody responded, so here goes: Brought from one part of Wikipedia into another part by reference. The question is, how is this done? GeorgeLouis 13:27, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry I missed this one. You transclude pages in the same way that you transclude templates.  For instance, I have a little subpage at User:Visviva/Whos... to transclude that, I would type
 * , which creates:
 * Similarly, you can transclude Articles for deletion/Foo onto a given page by typing where you want it to appear.  Double curly brackets are an amazing thing.  Cheers, -- Visviva 14:28, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Similarly, you can transclude Articles for deletion/Foo onto a given page by typing where you want it to appear.  Double curly brackets are an amazing thing.  Cheers, -- Visviva 14:28, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Similarly, you can transclude Articles for deletion/Foo onto a given page by typing where you want it to appear.  Double curly brackets are an amazing thing.  Cheers, -- Visviva 14:28, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Tip
Thanks to everyone who is updating this page. It is great help. In case you didn't know, I wanted to suggest that User:Dragons flight/AFD summary/Contested can be of use in updating. - Ganeshk  ( talk ) 06:28, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Australian PROD articles
Is there any interest/place/provision to note PRODed articles. eg Taking Sides (Australian band). Paul foord 13:55, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Some lists have been formatted to accommodate this... before suddenly running out of time for this project, I was working on a standardized model at WikiProject Deletion sorting/Template. Feel free to try it out, and see whether the sidebar format works for you or not.  Cheers, -- Visviva 14:32, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Deletion sorting/ India or WikiProject Deletion sorting/Asia
I think we can rename this as WikiProject Deletion sorting/SAARC or WikiProject Deletion sorting/Asia as we have Pakistan as well as Srilankan articles also here  Doctor Bruno  09:20, 23 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, pages exist for Pakistan and Sri Lanka: WikiProject Deletion sorting/Pakistan and WikiProject Deletion sorting/Sri Lanka . I think some sorters list the articles on India page, because there are very few active Sri Lankan or Pakistani users. utcursch | talk 13:19, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Pop Culture
This is just an observation--I am still going through this stuff and some of it is mind-numbingly off the wall--but to some extent this entire section comprises a real treasure--at least it will be in a generation or two. It chronicles many aspects of pop cutlure. Albeit not very well in some cases but if we had this sort of collection of articles on say, 13th century England, it would be highly valued. I am just saying, before completely deleting all of any article, ask yourself what would it signify to a reader who will not be born for another 20 years. So, careful with the broad strokes. Malangthon 02:26, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

As an example of the underlying rationale for my approach, let me point out a comment made recently by Alan Liu, an English professor at the University of California at Santa Barbara, who "has developed a policy for appropriate use of Wikipedia as a source," in this case, in papers written by university students:

"(A) Wikipedia citation can be an appropriate convenience when the point being supported is minor, noncontroversial or also supported by other evidence.

"In addition, Wikipedia is an appropriate source for some extremely recent topics (especially in popular culture or technology) for which it provides the sole or best available synthetic, analytical or historical discussion."

Source Chris Freiberg (2006) ISDS News 'Some professors doubt credibility of site: Academics argue Wikipedia really can be a 'wikiality'  Sept. 14, 2006  Malangthon 02:10, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Google hits must not be taken as a yardstick in Asian related AfD's
Google hits must not be taken as a sole yardstick in Asian related AfD's. Newspapers of Vernacular Languages may have millions of readership. For example, in India every state has its own language. There are more than 20 widely speaking native languages in India. But the news reports from the newspapers of such languages are not available in google search.Take the case of Malayala Manorama Newspaper. Currently this Malayalam language newspaper has a readership of over 9 million, with a circulation base of over 1.4 million copies according to Audit Beureu of Circulations. Manorama is one of the India's largest selling and most widely read news paper. There are more than 50 such newspapers in India. News reports from such dailies are not available in google eventhough it have millions of readership. But news reports from English dailies with 1000 or 2000 copies are available in google search. It is really misleading...Isn't it...? In this context of notability tests based on google hits may be a worthless, foolish effort. In such circumstances we must consider the words of native wikipedians with more importance. May I know ur valuable opinion ……?  Nileena joseph (Talk 05:51, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

List
If this list was nominated for deletion, it would have to include itself. Just a thought – Qxz 20:40, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Javascript on page not formatted
The project page for WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Lists is a bit jumbled after a subst of a heading template back on Feb 6. FYI. Also the talk page of that project page redirects here, which is a bit confusing. Gimmetrow 22:36, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Page is broken
Page seems to be broken. See the end of "List of Australian Politicians". Can anyone fix??? AndyJones 09:03, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Concerned about title of WikiProject Deletion sorting/Israel or Palestine
This could be construed as taking the POV that "Palestine" is a country or state. I would therefore suggest instead changing it to "Israeli or Palestinian" which thus takes no POV on the matter. JoshuaZ 06:47, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I would say that two lists are required WikiProject Deletion sorting/Israel and WikiProject Deletion sorting/Palestine. Thanks, IZAK 13:22, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Done. Please use separate lists depending on the topic. This will avoid controversy. IZAK 13:25, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Deletion sorting/Arts
This page has fallen into disuse, as it has been made redundant by useful sub-division into "Visual arts-related deletions", "Music-related deletions" and "Film and TV-related deletions". I propose it's deleted or turned into a disambig page (if they exist for this project). Tyrenius 02:44, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Is it possible to keep track of Images to be deleted?
Hello, I am wondering whether or not the very useful lists provided can be extended to include sorting for images that are up for deletion, either through Images and media for deletion, and its associated category Category:Images and media for deletion or through Copyright problems? Regards --Free smyrnan 05:02, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

The following is for deletion sorting/Turkey
 * I think we can include them. Do we have to manually add these AFD's or IFD's, or is there a way, say all AFD's for articles in WProject Turkey to be automatically listed on Turkey's deletion sorting list? Also, it might be good to archive the closed AFD's. denizTC 16:37, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Lists of China-related topics deletion discussion
Ni hao, in a group deletion attempt, the two lists of China-related topics are up for deletion; the discussion is at Articles for deletion/List of Angola-related topics; also the list of Cantonese-related topics as well as some lists for countries in Southeast Asia. Would it be possible to put the appropriate WP China tag on these lists?, that seems to be the solution that was reached during discussion for the African country topic lists that the discussion centered around. Xie xie, cai jian. --McTrixie/Mr Accountable 19:33, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Opinions about Iku!?
Is the article Iku! worth a speedy deletion according to Db-bio? Fg2 00:54, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

closing Americas list
Hi, after discussion with Black Falcon, I propose that WikiProject Deletion sorting/Americas be closed, as it is not in use. John Vandenberg 02:52, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The Americas list has now been closed. John Vandenberg 13:33, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Martial Arts
Would it be possible to create a list covering Martial Arts (&MMA)? This would be of use to Wikiproject:Martial Arts and get in put from people who might be able to improve an article. Thanks --Nate1481(t/c) 14:18, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Proper link placement
What is the proper placement for the following link:

Does it belong on this page or on the article page? If on the article page, should it following the tag  Dbiel (Talk) 01:57, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Education-related deletions.   —Dbiel (Talk) 01:57, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It belongs on the AfD subpage containing the debate e.g. Articles for deletion/List of universities that offer the PPE degree. the wub "?!"  14:40, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Que?

 * the internet —~

Shouldn't that be: Internet —~ ? MrZaius talk 16:23, 26 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Yep, I've fixed it. It does lead to the first sentence being a grammatical horror, but that's a limitation of the template, and providing the correct code is more important. the wub "?!"  10:38, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

talk page merge
On WT:DS we are considering closing this talk page to keep the conversation together. Please comment there .. :-) John Vandenberg 12:34, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Inactive Africa-related lists
WikiProject Deletion sorting/Africa is comprised mostly of inactive subpages. While Egypt, South Africa, and Nigeria have a reasonable amount of activity, the rest seem inactive. What is the correct method to propose that the inactive ones be deleted and the occasional nominations regarding those countries be included in the general list at the top? Nominate at mfd, or just discuss here and leave a note at the Africa project's talk page?

Specifically, Algeria, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Kenya, Morocco Senegal, Tanzania, Uganda, Zambia have edits only once every few months or less. Many of us Africa editors, while focusing on a subsection of the continent, are nevertheless likely to be interested in all of the continent's deletion nominations, which is why deleting the subpages and listing the occasional nomination at the top is probably better. Picaroon (t) 20:11, 13 September 2007 (UTC)