Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Derbyshire/Archive 1

Introduction
Well I'd add the 7 or so names you have in the order they were. There are others around. A good logo would be good. We could use the Flag for now until we get a stronger one. Victuallers 17:35, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeh. I was basically going to do a slightky modified version of that until i had more time, which will be next week sometime. A userbox will appear soon, as it is the simplest thing to do!  Bluegoblin  7   17:40, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * WikiProject Derbyshire/Userbox Here's Mk. 1 of the Userbox. What do you think?  Bluegoblin  7   17:48, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

In fact, I can do a bit of editing now, so I will pad out the page a bit, and then move it across when it's got enough info on it. It needs to be done sooner rather than later, because i can't create any more templates etc until that's done - i need a main WP page to link to!  Bluegoblin  7   17:57, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Well that'll be the two of us - is anyone else watching this page? ... Oh Allestree asked for an assessment. They are in the WikiProject England queue... anyone fancy doing it? Victuallers 09:22, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeh ill tackle it!  Bluegoblin  7   10:23, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi
Hi all, I came to this page from Allestree and was wondering what i could do to help. Obviously this is just starting and still has a way to go to get functional. I'm relatively new and just wondering what I could do to help. Dommccas 00:00, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, you can do whatever you want! There is still loads to do to get the project fully up and running - I'm working on most of the templates, but what would be really useful atm would be to make a list of all related articles and/or categories, and list them on the main page! Thanks,  Bluegoblin  7   10:14, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Hello everyone. I am very active in the Cheshire Project (being the founding member of it), and have created a few of the templates we use in it. Please feel free to steal, adapt, and improve on any we have for the project. I've slipped into paying more attention to civil parishes than other matters, and, if people feel this would be a useful area for this Derbyshire project, I'll contribute in that way. I'm in the middle of doing some important editing and article creation on articles concerned with the History of Cheshire, and so I won't be able to devote all my wikipedia time to this. DDStretch   (talk)  10:39, 18 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I am happy for you to do whatever you feel nesecary for the project! If it's radical, just mention it, if not, feel free to do it! By the way, the talk page banner is

Tagging, etc
(section created to help editing, etc)

Well i'll start listing pages. i'll also start tagging things as well. Is there anyway of listing all articles that are tagged as that would make everything a little easier. Also is there anywhere to put the listed articles. i'll whack them on the main page and go from there. The banner above looks very pretty but does seem to promote trams and such i would change it but i have no idea how to. Dommccas 14:05, 18 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Try adding to the article pages you want flagging up as being associated with  Derbyshire. If you do this, then go to the page (just type Category:Derbyshire into the search bar and press "go"), you should eventually start seeing all pages which have been categorized as being in Derbyshire appear. You can produce sub-pages to this to separately categorize, say, "Towns in Derbyshire", "Villages in Derbyshire", etc etc. The categories should also appear when you view the articles. To see how we categorize things and where we place them in Cheshire, try looking at the source (as if you are going to edit) Chester, Haslington, Macclesfield, to get some ideas. Try going to Category:Cheshire to see how we've arranged the hierarchy of categories, too. (Is that what you meant, or is it something to do with the project template placed on the talk pages that you were thinking of?)   DDStretch    (talk)  14:57, 18 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I will start doing that but i was just wondering if you can access all articles that have been tagged with


 * You can, but it can be a bit tricky to set up. We've done it on Cheshire things. go to the page: Template:WikiProject Cheshire and look at the source (press edit, but don't actually edit anything, please). You can see that there is a lot of stuff added there that will categorize articles based on their quality and their importance (we actually use "Priority" in the names of the importance categories to let us know what priority to assign to the ones that are in most need of improvement). You end up with a set of categories that display articles according to their quality and priority, and there are default values for these if no assessment has been carried out. If people don't object, I could copy over that template and edit it to make it a Derbyshire one. There may be some tinkering around with it to get it to work, but let me know, and I'll try to do it if people think that would help.  DDStretch    (talk)  15:35, 18 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Well that looks incredibly complicated so i think i'll leave it to you. i'm off to start tagging things which is much more simple.

Dommccas 15:44, 18 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Ok. I;'ll get on with it and make the changes necessary. Doing that along with your tagging work will add a lot to the project starting off in the right way.  DDStretch    (talk)  15:49, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Ok. I think I've done it now. It needs to be used a bit to see whether it works well. So, assessments of the class and importance should be given to tagged articles like this: (using the appropriate value for the class and importance fields.) Please note, it is important that "class" and "importance" are entered in small letters (no capital initial letter), or else the assessment of quality or importance won't be registered. I don't know how or whether it can be made so that either small or capital initial letters would be acceptable. DDStretch   (talk)  16:29, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Just one thing. I have tagged all the categories because they are easy, yet when i try and tag something like Talk:Allestree there are a couple of lines of code generated at the bottom of the banner which read

This doesn't happen for categories but it does for others and unnrated ones (Talk:Allenton, Derbyshire). I would fix it but as i have already stated i know nothing :-) Dommccas 17:03, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Ok - I can see what you mean, and I've now seen it on, I think, other pages. What I've done is to to re-write the project banner. I think its functionality is identical to the old one, but it should now not cause any problems. The extra stuff already added will have to be removed by hand, but I hope that won't be too big a job. I hope that is satisfactory to people! DDStretch   (talk)  12:16, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah! I think it has removed the extra stuff automatically!  DDStretch    (talk)  12:42, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

What to do?
I saw that one of the first additions of our template brought in a new editor asking "What to do? I guess if we want more interest then adding templates to Derbyshire related articles is a good idea. EDitors can also have a go at assessment, but on other projects we ask that people discuss anything higher than a Start or higher than Mid .... hope that helps


 * Can I also suggest that we REMOVE Project England templates. We need to do this or articles will get double counted.... and we are a sub-project of theirs. Victuallers 13:13, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I enquired about this with respect to the Cheshire project, as on some of those articles, there are three templates: Cheshire, England, and UK geography. The general consensus was that multiple templates/assessments were no bad thing, but I must admit, the problem of mis-matches, and, as you have stated, double-counting did concern me. If you want to do it, perhaps it would be best if you were also a member of those projects so that it could be done by a member of the removed project? Just an idea, and not a requirement, though.  DDStretch    (talk)  13:19, 19 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi i just added a to do list which i think looks cool. I added some of them off the top of my head a couple i stole from the to do list from Talk:Derbyshire. These all seem good ideas to start with but maybe need some way of cheecking if the've been done for specific articles (the infobox especially). Thinking about it i'll highlight the tagging one as that is the most important one at the mo. Dommccas 13:39, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Importance and quality
Thgis should probably go on the assessment talk page but i though i'd put it here for the moment. As is mentioned by ddstretch above other projects discuss anything higher than a mid or start for importance and class. Class is very nicely set out in the assessment page but importance is still based on UK Trams. I was wondering if we could have some kind of outline for importance. I'll outline a few here.
 * Top

Derbyshire, Chesterfield, Derby


 * High

All districts of Derbyshire and suburbs of Derby


 * Mid

All towns

I don't know if i'm stating the obvious. Dommccas 10:39, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

That's a good idea, I think. The list so far deals with the county itself (which should be Top priority) and cities/towns. Are there other geographical features, important estates, parks, and houses (Chatsworth, for example), rivers that should be given some importance criteria as well? How about History of Derbyshire? My thoughts are that Chatsworth House should be made at least mid importance (possibly at least a high importance), given its significance (it isn't tagged at all at the moment, I recall.) Peak District could also be given a Derbyshire tag, and I think its national importance would justify giving it at least a high importance. I also think History of Derbyshire should be given high importance as it deals with the entire county and tells about its founding, and important events in its history. Those are my thoughts for now. DDStretch   (talk)  10:49, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm now working through Category:Buildings and structures in Derbyshire for something to do and i was thinking of aome general guidlines for importance.

Most people in England will have heard of this eg Derbyshire and it has significant worldwide or nationwide importance
 * Top

Most people in Derbyshire will have heard of this. Or has wider national or worldwide significance such as Belper North Mill‎ as its a world heritage site.
 * High

An area which is important on a local scale with countywide or national significance
 * Mid

Not many people will have heard of this outside of its sphere of interest with small local significance.
 * Low

A very specified area of interest with no local, countywide or national significance
 * None

This is just a start if anyone has any ideas on a more methodic way of specifying importance please amend that above. 12:12, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Portal:Derbyshire
On request of Bluegoblin7 I worked on the portal:Derbyshire I findished it as far as I could do without any knowledge about the subject. Because I did not get any feedback from the user, I made it as I thought it should be. If you want to be any technical changes, feel free to ask me. For the rest: Have much fun. --Thw1309 10:05, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry. I have just been really busy: It looks really good though - thanks loads for making it brilliant! =]! And, to everyone else, please continue to tag, expand and help with WikiProject Derbyshire!  Bluegoblin  7   10:20, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Portal is started thanks Victuallers 14:49, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

'Derbyshire flag'
This flag is clearly the one promoted by BBC Radio Derby, after its listeners had voted on some designs shortlisted by the BBC. But I'm wondering, does the flag have any status other than that? Xn4 22:10, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, I do actually think that that is probably the case - I am in the middle of creating an actual "logo" for the projcet, so the flag can go soon! Cheers,  Bluegoblin  7   10:23, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Bluegoblin! I wasn't meaning to hint that the flag should go completely, it could perhaps have a little corner somewhere with a note to explain what it is. But I agree that a unique headline logo for the project would be better. As things stand, the flag could easily mislead people into thinking it's the official symbol of Derbyshire, which so far as I know it isn't. regards, Xn4  01:46, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Peak District GA/A/FA?
The Peak District article is quite large, and well referenced. Could it be one of the above ratings? Please discuss below!  Bluegoblin  7   18:59, 4 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I completely agree with your upgrading this to a 'B', Bluegoblin. To go beyond that, a more formal review process is needed. I'm sure the article isn't an 'A' yet, because (per Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment) "once an article reaches the A-Class, it is considered complete", and this one has some way to go to get there. I'm with Espresso Addict's list on the article's talk page of the work which needs to be done before a GA attempt is made. I suggest encouraging their efforts, with that in mind. If we can help to give the article some prominence, then perhaps a few others will join in the good work being done on it. Regards, Xn4  02:58, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

WP:UKCITIES
Hello WikiProject Derbyshire participants,

Just a line trying to promote some trans-WikiProject guidelines for settlement articles. WP:UKCITIES are guidelines from the "mother" WP:UKGEO project based on those at WP:CITIES (A "global" WikiProject for settlements that is US driven). They have been employed by a number of articles to standardise content, obtain a consistent style and approach and drive them towards good and featured article status with considerable success, and are so far also endorssed by WikiProject Greater Manchester, WikiProject Cheshire, WikiProject Yorkshire and WikiProject Sheffield, amongst others.

Not too many users (or indeed projects) are aware of the guidelines, and thought it may be helpful if all the county WikiProjects had a link to them to help them get the results they want. Hope that helps, Jza84 02:03, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Derbyshire Portal
It needs updating - there's no featured article or image there now, as we're in November. Xn4 08:07, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I've fixed it. Xn4  04:06, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Cheers m8. I wudve done it, but im just soooo busy at the moment!!!  Bluegoblin  7   15:38, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Archiving?
Wouldn't it be an idea to start archiving old talk subjects to tidy the page up a little? I'll be happy to do it if anyone else agrees with me. Regards, Schumi555 09:24, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * If you could it would be great! The Wikipedia Talk:WikiProject UK Trams archive format is onle I like - any chance this could be implemented here?
 * Cheers,
 *  Bluegoblin  7   15:34, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem, I'm on it now. Any prefered way you want them archiving? Monthly for example? Schumi555 17:08, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... Not too sure at the mo! Theres not been much discussion atm, so maybe, at the moment, get rid of the stuff from the project set up, and then see what happens? Maybe the end of the year might be sufficient? I don't know - what do you think, and what about anyone else?  Bluegoblin  7   19:12, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * At the moment I agree and think it should be done monthly, then maybe at the end of the year put them all together into a '2007 archive'. I'll start by doing that. I'll create one for September and one for October. If anyone disagrees it can always be changed. Regards, Schumi555 21:46, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I've completed the archive. Any alterations suggested I will be happy to implement. Regards, Schumi555 22:31, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

New Look Bits...
Hi All,

I'm doing some new look stuff, but just wondered what you would want to see. I am also going to do some images specific to the project: Namely, a project logo, instead of the Derbyshire Flag, a mini-icon for the project page (no idea what yet though), and then also any others that anyone thinks are needed!

Also, I need some help... How can I change the colour of links? currently, I have a blue link on a blue background - please help!

Also, please comment too!

Cheers,

 Bluegoblin  7   10:23, 4 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I notice that you took the entire page from WikiProject Greater Manchester, it is not possible to change the colour of the linking text I am afraid, we had that problem on the GM Project with blue text clashing with a red background. └ and-rew ┘┌ talk ┐ 07:32, 5 November 2007 (UTC)


 * That I di. Sorry - it just looks very good :D! It WILL change more, and look less like your project and more like ours, but as you know, things take time!
 *  Bluegoblin  7   11:18, 5 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I am sure that your project will look great in time, remember to be original and try an think up some great ideas for the project as all projects need to be unique in scope, style and features, it just makes Wikipedia great. └ and-rew ┘┌ talk ┐ 23:07, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Further to the above...
I have now done a new project page, as can be seen (a few sections at the bottom still need to be merged from the old page).

I have also created a, rather primative, Barnstar for the project, so far awarded to Victuallers, Schumi555 and Xn4. Well Done!

A project logo is nearly complete and will be online tonight. Still need a mini-icon though. Hmm... What does Derbyshire have lots of?...

 Bluegoblin  7   14:47, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Request for help
Hello good people of Derbyshire. I have just created an article for John Mawe, a Derbyshire-born mineralogist, who wrote on the Minerals of Derbyshire (he is already mentioned in the article on the Peak District). Apparently there is (or was) a memorial to him in Castleton church. Could someone see if the memorial is still there, and if so, take a photo and add it to the article? Thanks in advance, best wishes to your project, DuncanHill (talk) 04:30, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Not help but
Sorry - Derbyshire is a long county and I'm at the bottom but


 * ...that John Mawe who studied the mineralogy of Derbyshire was arrested as a spy in Montevideo in 1805, before publishing accounts of his travels in Brazil? by DuncanHill

Should be on the front page in 5 days - Well done - good article. I'm sure we can find you a picture of debyshire minerals if not of this artual plaque. Victuallers (talk) 12:20, 21 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm fairly close to Castleton but have not been over that way for a while. I'll do a little digging next time I'm out and about for you. Regards, Schumi555 (talk) 14:21, 21 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Gosh thank you! I should point ouy that User:Tagishsimon did a lot to help make the article better. And thank you Schumi too, much appreciated. DuncanHill (talk) 18:00, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Are you aware there is also an article about him on the Portuguese Wikipedia here? There is some additional information, for example the date he died. Regards, Schumi555 (talk) 18:20, 21 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I've taken a look at that Portuguese article - apart from the date of his death in the lead, the extra information it has is about his visit to Santa Caterina, which I've imported. NB, John Mawe seems to overdo the importance of On a Gold Mine in South America. Xn4  23:27, 21 November 2007 (UTC)