Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disability/Archive 3

Neutrality dispute in Paralympic Games
Please participate in the discussion about NPOV at Talk:Paralympic Games. Roger (talk) 11:26, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

assistive technology for deafness
Hi Guys,

Can someone point me in the direction of a good source for assistive technology for deafness - the sections at Deafness, Assistive_technology, and Telecommunications_device_for_the_deaf leave quite a bit to be desired...(Cross posted at WP:DEAF, but I'm not sure how active the project is) Fayedizard (talk) 21:01, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Individuals_with_Disabilities_Education_Act
Hi all, lots of content just arrived at Individuals_with_Disabilities_Education_Act in this diff  I'm not sure of my footing in the act - could someone have a quick look at it? Fayedizard (talk) 20:12, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Hawking again
Following a pleasant and useful peer review I have put Stephen Hawking up for FA review. :) Fayedizard (talk) 12:02, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
 * To keep people updated - its back at peer review ideally looking for a physics expert (I've posted at the WikiProject) - I also wanted to mention how geninuely taken aback I've been by how helpful everyone on this wikiproject has been so far on this (slightly long) process. Thank you.Fayedizard (talk) 10:32, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 * And again - the peer review is now complete - I'm bedding the article down for about 10 days or so to make sure that there are no particularly objectable changes and then I plan to send it back to FA. Fayedizard (talk) 19:50, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Ten days later, it's back at FAC. If anyone fancies being particularly watchfull for strange edits on it at this time, that would be lovely. Wish us luck. Fayedizard (talk) 06:55, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Failed again, no opposes, but not many reviews either. I'll put it forward again in two weeks.Fayedizard (talk) 11:16, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Passed! Thank you everyone for all your hard work :) Fayedizard (talk) 14:26, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Assistive_technology
Hi all,

Various of us have taken turns battering at Assistive_technology over the last year (I've just railed at it a little more), and it's now actually reaching the point where it might be a nice little article eventually - if we can sort out the last couple of sections then actually we're not far of making a very summary-style article worth reading... just thought I'd throw it out there if anyone is looking for a little project... Fayedizard (talk) 21:40, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I would like to work at expanding that one. I'll try to find some time this week. I'm still learning about what assistive technology is available, there's so much of it. It's interesting, though. Should be a fun article to work on, actually. I couple of weeks ago, I was working on assessing articles and adding WP Disability banners to the Talk pages, I discovered a lot of stubs for assistive technology devices and/or companies just by following links. I think there are a lot of stubs that still haven't been well-categorized. So they aren't necessarily easy to find.OttawaAC (talk) 00:54, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
 * In view of the current Paralympic games how about looking at assitive technology for sport? Roger (talk) 06:54, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm more into assistive technology for couch potatoes, but that would make a terrific article too. lol. Will get a start on it.OttawaAC (talk) 22:29, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I've gotten a start on Assistive technology and sports, and will add more on the engineering/design details tomorrow, hopefully. If anyone wants to jump in and add info, please do! OttawaAC (talk) 00:18, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Wonderful! - I gave Assistive_technology another look today - and I think the only remaining thing for it to look more in same would be to redo the lede - once that's done I suspect it's not that far off the standard for GA... Fayedizard (talk) 16:48, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Paralympics 2012
There is a huge amount of work that needs to be done on articles related to the 2012 Summer Paralympics. Hundreds of redlinks need to be turned blue, stubs need to be expanded, etc. Please browse around and help the process wherever you can. The co-ordinating WikiProject is WP:WikiProject Olympics/Paralympics. Thanks Roger (talk) 11:56, 18 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Please friends, the Paralympics articles need all the help they can get - there are hundreds of articles that need to be created and updated at a very high intensity over the next two weeks or so. Roger (talk) 21:04, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm around a bit more now - what do you need? (give me an article title - also I'm going to see the boccia this week so can do pictures and stuff if that would help). Also - I did some page creation for the last one - and I can repeat if that would be in any way useful...  Fayedizard (talk) 14:35, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Pictures would be nice, but unfortunately you probably won't be able to upload them to Wikipedia or the Commons due to copyright restrictions. Graham 87 06:48, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Just start at 2012 Summer Paralympics, browse around and the redlinks will find you - particlarly in " at the 2012 Paralympics" pages. Existing pages also need constant updating as events happen - adopt a country or two that have aricles with a lot of gaps or else follow one or two sports and help keep their pages updated. The main source for results and stats is http://www.london2012.com - have fun! Roger (talk) 07:22, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject Disability checks
I have just added Template:WikiProject Disability/Checks which will (should) reveal any mistyped parameters for the project banner. Relevant tracking categories are: Category:Disability articles needing attention‎ and subcategories. I'll be checking this setup over the next few days to see how it behaves and sort out any problems, but of course anybody else is welcome to fix problems too. This tracking category can be used for other issues as well... --Mirokado (talk) 21:00, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Revision of Special Needs Article/ Creation of Children with Special Needs Healthcare (U.S.) Article
I am currently a student at Rice University working on a class project to either revise an article or create a new article in relation to my minor of Poverty, Justice and Human Capabilities. My area of interest is in the article Special Needs, which is rated Top-Importance, but is dismal in terms of information given and lack of resources. Ideally I would like to completely revise this article, but the scope of this project is too much for me as only a single student with one semester to complete this project. Instead, my goal is to create a separate article about Children with Special Healthcare Needs, focusing on the policies, statistics, and definitions here in the United States. I hope that other editors will be intrigued by this project idea and work on different aspects of the scope of Special Needs so that eventually all of these subjects can be merged once more on the Special Needs article. This would create a broad and definitive resource for all those interested in or affected by Special Needs, and clear up misconceptions and confusion held by many.

I believe that my proposed specific article is very important. 11.2 million children in the U.S. have special needs, or in other terms, 1 in 5 households. This is a great percentage of the population and information needs to be known about the Healthcare available as well as medical and governmental definitions of Special Needs. I chose to focus specifically on children as there are vastly more resources on them than on adults. Resources I plan to use include Government documents (National and of various States), Journal articles found on JSTOR and other databases (specifically articles from Pediatrics and Family & Marriage) and statistical surveys conducted by the government and universities. Any help on locating other resources would be much appreciated.

My proposed outline:

Introduction 1. Definition of Children with Special Health Care Needs 2. Statistics 3. Insurance 3.1 Government Provided (link to Medicaid, SSI, SCHIP) 3.2 Private 3.3 Uninsured 4. Government Programs (link to Medical Home Model) 4.1 Nationwide 4.2 State 5. Special Needs Healthcare Providers (link to various types of doctors and therapists, AAMC) 6. Patient Advocacy (links to various advocacy groups, Patient Advocacy) 7. Transition to Adulthood

To conclude, I would appreciate any comments on resources for this article, interest in editing the current Special Needs article, or any other advice or comments.

Robinkvest (talk) 19:33, 3 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Welcome on board. I think you need to also define the term "special health care needs" - if it is official jargon. The phrase "Special needs" is originally specifically educational terminology which has become abused as a (really poor IMHO) euphemism for "disability/disabled". Perhaps you could consider changing the title to "Healthcare for children with disabilities in the United States". Just a technical note - don't abreviate "United States" in the title and don't put it in parens, because on WP a perenthetical "appendage" is used for disambiguation. Roger (talk) 06:44, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Addition of Poverty and Disability Article
I am also a student at Rice University interested in adding to the information provided by Wikipedia on issues regarding special needs. I intend to create an article entitled “Poverty and Disability,” which will explore the relationship between and implications of the prevalence of disability in impoverished areas. Currently information on this topic is entirely absent from the Wikipedia community. The relationship between poverty and disability is especially important to explore given the likelihood that an individual will have special needs is far greater in environments where resources are the least conducive to accommodating their needs. I intend to look at this correlation in depth, in addition to exploring the impact of disability in areas of concentrated poverty, structures in place to address the needs of these populations, initiatives targeting those affected, and strategies to curtail this correlation. At this time I have researched the findings of the United Nations, the British Department for International Development, and the World Bank, alongside numerous country-specific studies. I would greatly appreciate suggestions on any additional resources you recommend I look to for beneficial information on the subject. I would love any input that you may have on the creation of this page and exploration of this topic. Thank you for your time!

Avo92 (talk)


 * Welcome to WikiProject Disability. Please see my comments about the term "special needs" above. Have you read ? I found it to be a very useful little book even though in some respects it is a bit dated - originally written in 1998. Roger (talk) 06:52, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Articles that need a lot of work
The articles in Category:Disability culture need quite a lot of reorganising. We've recently discussed various permutations of splits, merges and moves but the process has stalled. Category:Disability and sexuality articles also need to be expanded and improved. Roger (talk) 06:57, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Phraseology
Are there any Wikipedia guidelines on how disabilities, and disability provisions, should be phrased?

Here in the UK Political correctness, has all but banished the word "handicapped" and almost removed "disabled". Parking spaces, WCs and other facilities are described as "accessible", or if clarification is required, as "Wheelchair accessible" or "ambulant accessible". However, several US articles still use the word "Handicapped" e.g. "handicap-accessible trails" in the article Reeds Lake - I don't know if this is still acceptable in the US?

To returm to the question:- Are there any Wikipedia guidelines on such phraseology? and if not, should there be?

Arjayay (talk) 18:13, 13 October 2012 (UTC)


 * The WP:ENGVAR rule covers the use of different varieties and dialects of English. If the article is about a British topic you use British English and terminology, or US English for American topics, Australian English for Australian subjects and so on. If the topic is not specifically connected to any particular English speaking country, and it's a new article you are starting, you chose whatever variety you prefer, buy try as far as possible to use words and phrases commonly shared by as wide a variety of English dialects as possible. Once a particular variety is established in an article it should not be changed without a good reason.
 * Speaking just for myself, I would very strongly oppose the establishment of language guidelines based on political correctness. Roger (talk) 19:07, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I am well aware of WP:ENGVAR, I wondered what the "acceptable" phraseology in the US currently is. Arjayay (talk) 18:14, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * As far as I am aware current US usage accepts both "handicapped" and "disabled" as synonyms but in much of the rest of the Anglosphere "handicapped" is deprecated. I'm South African but I interact online with disabled Americans, British, Australians, New Zealanders, Canadians, Indians, and a bunch of other nationalities, on a daily basis - I manage a global disability support forum. Roger (talk) 20:39, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

classification renaming

 * Disability table tennis classification → Table tennis classification
 * Disability racquetball classification → Racquetball classification
 * Disability sailing classification → Sailing classification
 * Paralympic powerlifting classification → Powerlifting classification
 * Disability judo classification → Judo classification
 * Disabled lawn bowls player classification → Bowls classification

See talk:Disability table tennis classification ; talk:Disability racquetball classification ; talk:Disability sailing classification ; talk:Paralympic powerlifting classification ; talk:Disability judo classification ; talk:Disabled lawn bowls player classification where this rename is proposed. -- 65.92.181.190 (talk) 06:43, 22 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Disability golf classification → Blind golf classification - This has been proposed at talk:Disability golf classification -- 65.92.181.190 (talk) 06:50, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

The application for renaming should be bundled, not sprayed around all over the place. Tony  (talk)  12:51, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree, all these sport classification articles should have a consistent naming "pattern" - the whole lot should be discussed as a single "class". Roger (talk) 13:57, 24 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi. The above failed, and there are new Requested moves (not spayed around :)) at:
 * here covering the classification of disabilities for judo, sailing, lawn bowls, table tennis and golf;
 * Talk:Disability racquetball classification for wheelchair racquetball.
 * --Stfg (talk) 15:10, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

A Request for comment is taking place at Talk:Education of the deaf
There is a request for comment taking place at Talk:Education of the deaf. If anyone can, please add your input. Thanks. - Purplewowies (talk) 02:26, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Disability workshop
Sydney people are holding a disability workshop on 10 November. See WP:Meetup/Sydney/November 2012. Sortof related, I couldnt see disability or discrimination under Category:Wikipedians by interest. John Vandenberg (chat) 22:31, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Paralympic media accreditation for the Sochi Games
If you're interested in skiing, Wikinews:IPC Nor-Am Cup is home to where we're taking the first steps to get Olympic/Paralympic media accreditation for the Sochi Games. Meetup/Denver and Meetup/San Francisco 18 are two meetups related to this. :) --LauraHale (talk) 06:30, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Classification to Disability Classification redirects
,,  ,  ,  ,  ,  , have been nominated for deletion, please see WP:RFD. -- 65.92.181.190 (talk) 07:16, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Wheelchair Basketball Task Force
There is an initiative at WT:WikiProject Basketball to launch a Task Force. Roger (talk) 17:11, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Crazy idea
So I think it would be nice if we as a project had a focal task to drive towards, and I've been looking at WikiProject_Disability/Popular_pages - how do people feel about getting the top ten most popular disability articles to GA+ as a goal? Three are already done and several of the remaining seven are former FA/GA articles that just need a bit of guidance... Discuss... Fayedizard (talk) 15:30, 17 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I like it! Roger (talk) 16:04, 17 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Great idea! I'd never looked at that list before - turns out an article of particular interest to me, Blindness, is rated B, which I hadn't previously realised. It's not in the top ten, but I might have a play with that and see if I can then apply of of my (hopefully) newly acquired article-improvement skills to something higher-profile. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 18:47, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
 * So a couple of things - been looking at Bipolar disorder just now (Thread is Talk:Bipolar_disorder and User:Mirokado has joined in, which is great). I've got a view to spend the weekend poking Bipolar and nominate on Monday (I've also posted to the relevant sharing projects).


 * Also, it turned out that Autism wasn't in the project, which I thought was surprising, I've added our banner (let me know if I'm overriding some long-term consensus), the reason this is particularly good is that it would be roughly our 5th most popular page and it's already FA - making this little goal that much easier...

I'm happy to really push on this, but it would be great if people wanted to claim some articles to shepherd into reviews - the five that could do with this are: Down syndrome (was FA in 2010), Dyslexia, Cerebral palsy, Psychosis (was FA in 2006), and Epilepsy - any takers? I'd imagine Down syndrome, and Cerebral palsy to be almost flagship articles for the project... Fayedizard (talk) 08:43, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Made a bit of a WP:bold call just now and submitted down syndrome for GA. Fayedizard (talk) 17:03, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Update It was getting difficult to see where we are as WikiProject_Disability/Popular_pages only regenerates once a month, particularly since we've had a few articles added and such, so I put User:Fayedizard/Disability_rankings together - for convenience, here's the current top 15:

So if we're looking for a top ten of GA+ articles, this is looking very achievable in a little while, Bipolar disorder is looking good for going to GA, although I've (embarrassingly) de-nominated down syndrome for the time being - I think I'd like to work on it for quite a bit more before it goes out... all help welcome there. :) Fayedizard (talk) 10:59, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Regarding the Dyslexia article, there are two types of Dyslexia; Alexia (acquired dyslexia) for which there is an very poor quality article, and Developmental Dyslexia, which is what the content of the current dyslexia article relates. There is a need to have by way of introduction to dyslexia as brief description of what dyslexia is, and then to have the two main content articles regarding Alexia and Developmental Dyslexia. My main area of interest has always been Auditory processing disorder (APD), which is the underlying cause of my own developmental dyslexic symptom. Alexia is a vast area of issues which have not been properly covered on Wikipedia, so far. As I have discovered my copy editing skills are next to none due to my APD, but I can provide the support research links and information. dolfrog (talk) 23:34, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
 * As an update - I've been a little distracted by the hawking article, but of the three remaining articles bipolar_disorder is being looked after by some very experienced people and I have every faith that it will slowly emerge to be a fantastic article after lots of loving polish. On the other hand both dyslexia and down_syndrome have a long way to go - I've been periodically hacking at them both and they're looking better (or at least more manageable)... Fayedizard (talk) 22:09, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Between removing, rewriting, and moving content into appropriate sub articles - dyslexia is almost half the size it was - I'm a little afraid I'm getting carried away with the rewrite so it would be great if someone wanted to look over my shoulder on it... Fayedizard (talk) 21:51, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I have been on a break for while, but I am thinking of participating here and there, but because of my lack of copy editing skills due to my auditory processing disorder disability, I can only provide supporting references, and advice regading current research. dolfrog (talk) 15:28, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * As an update - I'm currently going over Chen_Guangcheng with a view to put it forward for GA, if other people want to muck in that would be glorious, but I'm hoping it won't need too much polishing. Fayedizard (talk) 20:46, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Chen_Guangcheng has now been put forward for GA - there's a big backlog elimination drive on at the moment so it might go through fairly quickly Fayedizard (talk) 13:47, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Well that turned out to be optimistic - Chen_Guangcheng is currently being reviewed, the Hawking article will go back to FAC by the end of the week and down_syndrome has just gone for peer review (largely because it's a much more medical article than I'm used to. Fayedizard (talk) 21:59, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Hawking has been promoted :) I've got plans for Down_syndrome as a next item, but I think it might be time I helped out with some Paralympic stuff. Fayedizard (talk) 14:25, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Bipolar disorder has been nominated for GA. Fayedizard (talk) 11:23, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
 * And, just to update you all - it's still going through a fairly gradual review process...Fayedizard (talk) 22:27, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

template:Access icon
Access icon has been nominated for deletion -- 70.24.250.26 (talk) 07:39, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, please comment at Templates for discussion/Log/2012 November 12. -- Red rose64 (talk) 10:59, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Hawking (yet again)
Hawking article has been nominated to run as the front-page featured article on 8 January; discussion here. Any help appricated :) Fayedizard (talk) 22:29, 7 December 2012 (UTC)


 * This is awesome news. Congratulations! Roger (talk) 08:25, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

About an item on the to-do list
I see that one of the items on the to-do list is to improve the category of which is called Wikipedia: Disability. Shouldn't one of the things done to improve this be to add a sub-category of "Invisible Disabilities", which could include chronic conditions such as asthma, diabetes mellitus or epilepsy? ACEOREVIVED (talk) 20:03, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Fragile X Mental Retardation Paper in science journal "Nature"
I don't know if i am even at the right place. The article on Fragile X might be edited to include new findings just published in the journal "Nature". They can be seen at www.pubmed.gov. I should say, an abstract from the paper is there.

Although it would not be good to give people false hopes, the paper is interesting in that it leads, as the abstract clearly states, to possible targets for treatments. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.200.134.16 (talk) 14:10, 14 December 2012 (UTC)


 * The best place to discuss the matter would be Talk:Fragile X syndrome as it concerns the content of that particular article. This page is for more general issues relating to articles about disability in the braod sense. Roger (talk) 13:07, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Keep an eye on Murderball (film)
Please keep an eye on the article, uninformed editors often change "quadriplegic" to "paraplegic" in spite of the clear reference to the official rules of the sport. There is a lot of ignorance about what exactly quadriplegia/tetraplegia is, many people seem to believe that it means the person is always totally paralysed in all four limbs. Roger (talk) 13:52, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Assisting in the dissemination of technical information regarding robotics and rehabilitation robotics
We would like to assist in the dissemination of technical information regarding robotics and rehabilitation robotics by sharing text from published research papers on the technologies we have developed, in the hopes that it will encourage further research and development into the humanitarian aspects of robotics worldwide. With that motive in mind I would like to include in wiki’s robotic and rehabilitation robotics area the following:

Papers on Rehabilitation Robotic Technologies

1- Abstract; "Facial Feature Interfaced Cybernetic Experiments" published by and presented before RO-MAN 2003, The 12th IEEE International Workshop on Robot and Human Interactive Communication. Images are included in the paper by John Siegel and Victoria Lee Croasdell.

2- Abstract; "Interfacing Artificial Autonomics, Touch Transducers and Instinct into Rehabilitation Robotics", published by and presented before "ICORR '99 Sixth International Conference on Rehabilitation Robotics". Images are included in the paper, by John Siegel and Victoria Lee Croasdell.

3- Abstract; “Robot Arm Controlled by Facial Features”, published by “CWUAAT” 1st Cambridge Workshop on Universal Access and Assistive Technology” 2002. Paper by John Siegel and Victoria Lee Croasdell. There were no images included in the paper; however we have images and video of the device being operated.

Victoria.Lee.Croasdell (talk) 04:09, 27 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Sorry, Wikipedia may not be used for promotion of any person, product, organisation or cause. Roger (talk) 22:34, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Infobox National Sport Association of the Deaf
Infobox National Sport Association of the Deaf has been nominated for deletion -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 04:50, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Word "Ableism" in the to-do list box
There could be greater clarity on why the word "ableism" is in the to-do list box - does this mean that some one should improve the article ableism? Perhaps of the things that should go in the to-do list box is for some one to give more clarification of what having the word "ableism" in this box means! ACEOREVIVED (talk) 14:42, 6 February 2013 (UTC)


 * The article does have a few "problem tags" so have a go at addressing the issues. If you believe the problems have been solved remove the tags and also take the article off the "to-do" list - which AFAIK has not been updated in years! Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:34, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Do you feel that the word, "disability", has a negative connotation?
Personally, I feel that "disability" has a negative connotation, but I'm interested in seeing how you all feel. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iaskalotofquestions (talk • contribs) 04:19, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

New article Blind bill folding
I noticed some time ago that there was no Wikipedia article on the technique used by the blind in the US, where they fold paper money in distinct ways by denomination so they can be identified by feel. Since American bills are shaped identically and have no raised marks, there is otherwise no simple way to identify bills if one cannot see them. Supposedly, due to accessibility lawsuit future versions of US bills will have raised markings which can be felt, so this convention might not live much longer, though I've seen mention of it in the US as early as 1913.

Though, or perhaps because, this method will soon die out, I've made an article on it. I'll try to make some photos later showing US currency folded into the shapes suggested by the American Foundation for the Blind. If anyone has any suggestions for improvement I'm open, and I simply could not find any clear "common name" term for what to even call this, so "blind bill folding" is what I used. If there's a better title, I'm certainly open to it. MatthewVanitas (talk) 19:08, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Radio Four series
I do not know whether any one here has noted that BBC Radio Four, in the latter part of May 2013, began a series of fifteen minute programmes (each programme after The World at One on the history of disability. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 13:23, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Would be great if we can find transcripts or MP3s somewhere. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:14, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Disability swimming
is under discussion, see the WP:RFD. Also, the use of has come up in the discussion -- 65.94.79.6 (talk) 01:59, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Template:User disability
The userbox Template:User disability has been created with the same purpose as other userboxes. Hyacinth (talk) 22:41, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Disability culture
I've been doing some editing of Disability in the arts and related articles when it struck me that we really need an article about Disability culture to tie together various articles about the cultural aspects of disability such as performing arts, fine arts, literature, etc and how these interact with popular culture, politics and the everyday experience of disability. Roger (talk) 18:48, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
 * After some searching I found that there is an article, created by a few editors who seem to be unaware of this project, so I invited them to join us. The article needs quite a bit of work, particularly by experienced editors who are familiar with article structure, the MOS, etc. Roger (talk) 20:32, 5 April 2013 (UTC)


 * BTW, It seems like we've all forgotten about the Disability in literature draft gathering dust in the Project Sandbox. Roger (talk) 07:17, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I haven't totally forgotten about it, I was gone on a Wikibreak. (A longish one.) I'll have a look at the newer Disability culture articles that have been posted, and see where I can add content.OttawaAC (talk) 03:05, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
 * There is a proposal at Talk:Disability in the arts to re-organise that article and it's "spinoffs" which we seem to have forgotten about too. Roger (talk) 15:16, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for taking this on: we are a bunch of new wiki people, part of a disability culture class, who are taking on disability culture editing as part of the Women of Color Wiki-Edit-Thon: enhancing the amount of disabled artists out there who get talked about. We are all pretty inexperienced, though, and really appreciate getting hooked into the wider disability wiki scene. Thanks for clearing up the pages we are putting up, and making the appropriate linkages! I currently have an entry on Neil Marcus in my sandbox, I hope that gets approved soon, and I know others have similar projects. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Freyaonthewaka (talk • contribs) 21:52, 6 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Does your disability culture class have a project page on Wikipedia? If not, your lecturer should sign up your class project at School and university projects as soon as possible. I couldn't find anything about a "Women of Color Wiki-Edit-Thon" either. Roger (talk) 22:14, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Feminist-People-of-Color-Wikipedia-edit-a-thon project: http://chronicle.com/blogs/profhacker/toofew-feminist-people-of-color-wikipedia-edit-a-thon-on-friday-11am-3pm-est/47265 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Freyaonthewaka (talk • contribs) 03:47, 7 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I just left a rather large comment on that page. Roger (talk) 08:54, 7 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Great outreach, Roger! Hordaland (talk) 15:15, 7 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately I've had no response yet, but see Education noticeboard/Archive4, maybe it will result in something positive. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:08, 20 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Is anyone interested in joining me in tackling the issues discussed here? This Project has gone a bit quiet lately. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:08, 17 June 2013 (UTC)


 * Anybody? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:07, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Life and Death in Assisted Living - seniors
Frontline (U.S. TV series) will be running Life and Death in Assisted Living on Tuesday July 30th: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/pressroom/frontline-propublica-investigate-assisted-living-in-america/ Please contribute to discussion Talk:Assisted_living XOttawahitech (talk) 02:52, 30 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I have commented there. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:28, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks Roger (Dodger67).
 * I have been trying to get editors interested in working on this article (and anything else connected to Alzheimer's) for some time. Unfortunately it appears to not be a "sexy" topic around wikipedia :-) XOttawahitech (talk) 14:43, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
 * There are a huge pile of "unsexy" topics - the disability field is full of them, unfortunately. We just have to do what we can... Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 20:33, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Back flap pants.jpg
image:Back flap pants.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 05:36, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * It's not properly licensed, there nothing we can legitimately do to prevent deletion. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 20:43, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Looking for help merging a mix of definitions of Aspies into Talk:Sociological_and_cultural_aspects_of_autism
and temporarily undelete Talk:Aspies (then redirect to Sociological_and_cultural_aspects_of_autism ) and de-plagurise (show and site origin and developmental history of the vocabulary and where the expressions derives), linking each expression into a subsection, linking Mundane expressions to Articles and their Sections and Subsections to cross-reference each, fror example  a sub-section of Terminology called Mundanes with Neurotypical - thus work on the development of language of Terms like Aspies, Auties, Mundanes, regressive, and such in the context of development of language 1993-1998 from online cultural identity to commonly used dictionary words. AspieNo1 (talk) 21:09, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Lamest edit wars
There is currently a discussion on the talk page for Lamest edit wars about whether "lame" is an ableist term and whether the title should be changed. Gobōnobō + c 03:18, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Working on a piece on Damon Matthew Wise, biography with emphasis on Aspies and Disability culture
If anyone has any links on Damon's contribution to Aspies and Disability movement, please feel free to join in Damon_Matthew_Wise talk page ... any help will be appreciated. AspieNo1 (talk) 20:52, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Although the article was at first a KEEP, and got reviewed as a Disability project and graded, it eventually got removed; fundamentally because the volume of "bullying" (many prepated inappropriate hostile reactions) from people against Aspies culture ... it is currently being reviewed and the process of why it was being deleted being looked at ...

Could the article, currently userfied and being edited in Sandbox be recertified ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:AspieNo1/sandbox

Claims of WP:COI and WP:OR being branded for people with disabilities in Ireland not being neutral and able to give both sides (even when they thought I was either one of the Aspies or Auties

Please help out on this article temporaily rehomed ...

AspieNo1 (talk) 11:29, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Listcruft at Disability studies
The External links list of the Disability studies article is steadily growing with more and more links to individual college/university DS departments being added. I believe it is excessive because there are probably thousands of institutions that offer DS courses and qualifications, the list should only contain globally important organizations or publications. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:28, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Joint Task Force with WikiProject Medicine
Please see Talk:Mental retardation where the creation of a Task Force shared between this Project and WikiProject Medicine is proposed as a venue for discussing issues of interest to both projects. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:34, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Category:Mental retardation
Category:Mental retardation, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for renaming to Category:Intellectual disability. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 15:52, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

InterACT disability arts festival
I am intending to attend the InterACT Disability Arts Festival 2013 in Auckland, New Zealand and I'd like to contribute about it in a meaningful way on Wikipedia. I already intend to write a news article about the event itself for WikiNews, but I think there should also be something about the event here on Wikipedia as well, being that this is becoming a regular event, now into its third year. I'll be taking my camera along with me and will post lots of images on Commons from the event. The upcoming event has been reported on already in local media, and I'm sure I could find verifiable sources for information about the previous festivals as well, proving notability. I just need some help to "get the ball rolling", as I'm still quite new to Wikipedia. What categories should I apply to such an article? Augur NZ ✐ &#x2315;  22:43, 19 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I have created a sandbox for the new article, and began a discussion at the Teahouse about my first citation for the new article. I am starting to dig out some more references for it too, and I'd really like some input on them, as to whether they would support a claim of notability for the festival. This is what I've come across so far...
 * Welsh Stories Go Well Down Under &mdash; about a Welsh disabled storyteller and broadcaster who attended the 2011 festival.
 * Ideas for 30 October 2011 &mdash; Radio New Zealand's Chris Laidlaw talks to a couple of the organisers and Welsh actor Chris Tally Evans.
 * 2012 Disability Arts Festival &mdash; Stewart Rehabilitation Services NZ Trust visited the 2012 festival.
 * InterACT 2011 not any old arty-farty get together &mdash; a review of the 2011 festival by 3 News reporter Talia Blewitt.
 * This is a bigger task than I had first thought it would be, trying to find verifiable sources. I hope these will be suitable as a start. Augur NZ &#x2710; &#x2315;  05:37, 20 September 2013 (UTC)


 * The sources look great, you've listed mainstream press and specialist media sources so notability will not be a problem at all. I've done a little fiddling in the sandbox. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 10:45, 20 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Great, I saw your little fiddling in the sandbox, thanks for that. Any help would be most appreciated as I'm still learning about what should be on an article page. Augur NZ &#x2710; &#x2315;  10:49, 20 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Done some more "fiddling", I hope you find my ideas useful. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:34, 20 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Very useful, thanks. That has given me a great framework to build on. Augur NZ &#x2710; &#x2315;  18:20, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Further discussion should continue at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disability/Sandbox/InterACT disability arts festival rather than clutter this Project talk page with more detail about just one draft article. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 18:38, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject accessibility interview
Just in case anybody interested doesn't have the WikiProject Accessibility page on their watchlist, see this thread about an ongoing Signpost interview with the project. Thanks! –Quiddity (talk) 20:20, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

wp miss (and more) nominated for deletion
wp miss and other redirects have been nominated for possible deletion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the redirect's entry on the Misc. for discussion page. Thank you. XOttawahitech (talk) 16:14, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Notification: Featured Article Review for Stephen Hawking
There are some serious deficiencies which several users have identified in the Stephen Hawking article which was promoted to FA status earlier this year after an FAC that wasn't rigorous. Please feel free to comment and contribute to the debate at Featured article review/Stephen Hawking/archive1 on whether this article should be delisted and what work needs to be done.--ColonelHenry (talk) 17:03, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Please comment at Kelvin Tan's ongoing peer review!
Fellow Wikipedians, I humbly present my latest contribution to this project, an article about Kelvin Tan, a blind Singaporean Mandopop singer! All members of this WikiProject are invited to support the quest to counter systemic bias on Wikipedia by commenting at this article's ongoing peer review to help it achieve GA status! May you enjoy reviewing this short, but interesting, article, as much as I enjoyed writing it! Thanks! 谢谢！Terima kasih! நன்றி! --J.L.W.S. The Special One (talk) 12:18, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

The title of is under discussion, see Talk:Tropical nations at the Winter Olympics -- 70.24.244.161 (talk) 11:57, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Move the WikiProject Sandbox draft articles to the new Draft-space
I would like to propose that the draft articles currently forgotten and stale in WikiProject Disability/Sandbox be moved to the new Draft-space. The drafts concerned are: The move will enable better collaborative editing and also bring their existence to the attention of editors not currently signed up to this WikiProject. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:25, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Vehicle modifications for users with disabilities
 * Disability in literature

Popular pages tool update
As of January, the popular pages tool has moved from the Toolserver to Wikimedia Tool Labs. The code has changed significantly from the Toolserver version, but users should notice few differences. Please take a moment to look over your project's list for any anomalies, such as pages that you expect to see that are missing or pages that seem to have more views than expected. Note that unlike other tools, this tool aggregates all views from redirects, which means it will typically have higher numbers. (For January 2014 specifically, 35 hours of data is missing from the WMF data, which was approximated from other dates. For most articles, this should yield a more accurate number. However, a few articles, like ones featured on the Main Page, may be off).

Web tools, to replace the ones at ~alexz/pop, will become available over the next few weeks at popularpages. All of the historical data (back to July 2009 for some projects) has been copied over. The tool to view historical data is currently partially available (assessment data and a few projects may not be available at the moment). The tool to add new projects to the bot's list is also available now (editing the configuration of current projects coming soon). Unlike the previous tool, all changes will be effective immediately. OAuth is used to authenticate users, allowing only regular users to make changes to prevent abuse. A visible history of configuration additions and changes is coming soon. Once tools become fully available, their toolserver versions will redirect to Labs.

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Planned Article: Autism in Developing Nations
I am a student at Rice University and I am planning on contributing an article on autism in developing nations. This contribution is planned in collaboration with my Human Development in Global and Local Communities course as part of my minor. Currently there is a wealth of information about autism in the West, but there is hardly any information about developmental disorders in developing nations at all on Wikipedia. I believe that leaving this information out of Wikipedia means ignoring a vast number of children in the world who have autism. The information in my article will help to equalize information presented about autism from a cursory Internet search by explaining that people with autism exist in more places than only westernized nations. Diagnosis, treatment, and perceptions about autism are very different in developing nations than in the west, and I plan on explaining these differences based on scholarly research. I will focus on different areas of development, including Africa, South America, and Asia. Finally, I will explain the challenges that researchers often face when studying autism in developing nations. Any input or suggestions will be extremely welcome as I embark on this project! Allisonshields (talk) 04:51, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 * That sounds interesting and valuable! I've advised any interested people on the Medicine project to look here.  --Hordaland (talk) 11:28, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Hello Allisonshields! What you are doing sounds great. The main advice that I would give you is to be cautious about making any medical claims about best practices for treatment. It sounds like you just intend to do epidemiological and society work, which would keep you clear of having to deal with that. Other than that, try to work in stages and post live content as soon as possible so that the Wikipedia community can comment on what you are doing. If you want immediate feedback, probably one of the best places to seek it for anything related to medicine is at WP:WikiProject Medicine. Thanks for contributing!  Blue Rasberry   (talk)  21:23, 27 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Let's not all immediately jump on the medical bandwagon, the medical model of disability is only one perspective, and is particularly current in the first world, which is precisely not the scope of the article. In the third world the sociology and even anthropological aspect would be more relevant than the purely medical/scientific/rational perspective. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 21:42, 27 February 2014 (UTC)


 * It sounds like a potentially notable topic and worthy of an article in Wikipedia. However please be aware of WP:MEDRS. Don't let the article turn into an essay or a soapbox. Axl  ¤  [Talk]  17:17, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Invictus Games
I've created a stub about the recently announced Invictus Games, which I feel will be of interest to members of this project. It's planned as an international event for wounded service personnel, with the same status as the Olympic and Paralympic Games, so I thought it was worth getting an article under way. I was quite surprised to see we had nothing on the Warrior Games, so we may need to start something about that too. Take a look anyway, and feel free to add or expand anything I've overlooked. Thanks, Paul MacDermott (talk) 17:13, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Invitation template
I have started working on an invitation template for this project - Draft:WP Disability Invite. I'm struggling with the code needed to include a signature in the template, if anyone here can help, please do. If you think something should be changed please feel free to contribute, or post your idea to the talk page. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:26, 20 March 2014 (UTC)


 * ✅ The template has been created - Template:WikiProject Disability Invite, please use it to invite new members. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:40, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Just to let you know
I happened to notice that this wikiproject has been removed from Category:WikiProjects relevant for countering systemic bias. See edit at:https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category%3AWikiProject_Disability&diff=600542008&oldid=586085718 XOttawahitech (talk) 01:24, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
 * the WikiProject page is in that cat. The cat doesn't need to be. Please don't be misleading.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 01:41, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Please see a highly relevant topic at the Reference Desk
Please take a look at Reference desk/Humanities. The question is about style guidance when writing about disability. Perhaps we need to develop some guidelines about this? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:20, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Added guide dog foundation for the blind
Hello all, a friend of mine was discussing the fact that the Guide Dog foundation had no article, so I created one. It's in your project's scope so I'm letting you know :) The Guide Dog Foundation for the Blind Trysha (talk) 04:11, 8 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Note - it was deleted as a copyvio. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:00, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

Glossary collaboration
Glossary of communications disorders, which needs a lot of work, has been selected at WikiProject Glossaries. It's been flagged for glossary formatting cleanup, lack of sourcing, and disputes as to what it includes, and what its scope is. — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  14:19, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Developing a style guide
Given that this project is several years old and has a fairly large number of articles in its purview, I think it's time we develop a style guide to help editors writing about disability-related subjects. The idea is to develop a guide that steers a "middle path" avoiding blatant offense such as "retarded" or "wheelchair bound" on the one hand while also avoiding the excesses of political correctness for its own sake on the other side. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:45, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Proposal:

In my preliminary research I have found a few such guides published in various English-speaking countries:
 * Discussion:


 * United States
 * NCDJ Style guide - National Center on Disability and Journalism, Walter Cronkite School of Journalism and Mass Communication at the Arizona State University.
 * Guidelines for Nonhandicapping Language in APA Journals - American Psychological Association
 * Guidelines: How to Write and Report About People with Disabilities - Research and Training Center on Independent Living - University of Kansas
 * United Kingdom
 * Talking about Disability - A Style Guide Inspired by 2012 - Buckinghamshire Disability Service


 * Australia
 * Equity and Diversity - Disabilities - University of Technology Sydney

Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:01, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

The following articles may be useful for understanding some of the issues involved: Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:11, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Social model of disability
 * Medical model of disability
 * Disability etiquette
 * People-first language
 * Ableism


 * (ec) Comment: It's a difficult issue for many people to know how refer to these things, so some kind of guidance would surely be useful. The big challenge would be to do it in a way that doesn't become a battleground for political correctness POVs, nor a rod for the language police to beat us with. Perhaps Athe best thing would be an essay giving generic advice as well as any specifics that aren't controversial. Several things strike me in your first set of documents:
 * Strong advice not to refer to people in a way that implies that the disability is the whole person, nor even the most important thing about the person, nor even very interesting at all in some cases;
 * Reminder that some terms are offensive;
 * Reminder that some terms are inaccurate (e.g. "wheelchair bound");
 * Reminder that any individual with a disability may have their own preference as to how that disability is referred to (e.g. some British deaf people's preference for "deaf"), and that self-identification is key;
 * all of which are great. But on the negative side, all these documents richly illustrate how easy it is to lapse into circumlocutions -- and circumlocutions are euphemisms by their very nature. All of those documents are full of them.


 * Anyway, good luck. I hope you can come up with something. --Stfg (talk) 16:23, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Agreed with every word, Stfg. - Dank (push to talk) 11:20, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Very good ideas indeed Stfg. Avoiding excessively prescriptive guidelines is good - long lists of "naughty words" and "thou shalt nots" are inherently contentious and unstable. The euphemism treadmill and schoolyard slang insults are moving targets - trying to nail them down is pointless. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:53, 21 May 2014 (UTC)


 * I have just discovered this discussion at Talk:Autism. It seems that there is a significant position within the "autism community" that sees autism as part of their identity, thus they reject the people-first language preferred by many with physical impairments. Speaking for myself, I would very strongly reject any suggestion that my use of a wheelchair is part of who I am. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:11, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
 * We have WP:MEDMOS. I typically write "person with X" rather than "patient with X" of "X person". But yes some such as some who are deaf and some with autism wish to be referred to as "Deaf" with a capital D. And autistic. IMO following the majority of the best available literature is a good idea. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 14:56, 21 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Indeed "Deaf" references Deaf culture, a socio-cultural identity based on membership of a linguistic minority identified by the use of sign language. In this sense Deaf is almost an ethnicity. On the other hand "deaf" simply refers to the inability to hear - a clinical diagnosis. I'm not really familiar with the situation related to autism but it seems (from what I've read so far) to be based on the idea that autism affects the person so completely that it is an important part of identity, rather than just an attribute. Thus it makes sense that the guidelines we come up with must address these exceptions to the rules applicable to disability in general.
 * MEDMOS is a useful source - up to a point. It is, by it's nature, rooted in the Medical model, which has very limited application outside of clinical contexts. It draws little or no distinction between "disease" and "disability" as concepts. See Medical model of disability. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:40, 21 May 2014 (UTC)


 * That thread on Talk:Autism has a lot of wise comments about the general nature of "people-first language", not only as applied to autism. To what extent are autistic and deaf people exceptions to a more general rule? To what extent do people with X really prefer to be referred to as "people with X" rather than as "X people"? To what extent is this not something that's foisted on us by "so-called professionals" who want to "preach" to us, as you put it so well below? If I write that tall people find it uncomfortable standing near the door of a carriage on the London Underground during the rush hour, which I'm told is the case, have I offended by calling them tall people rather than people with tallness, or people of above average height, or something? By using this syntax, have I claimed that their tallness is the most important thing to know about them, rather than merely the focus of this one sentence? I don't accept at all that "X people" prioritises the medical condition any more than "people with Xness"; people is the head word in both phrases. When people insist that artificial syntax is required and natural word order is wrong in a given context, it makes me feel most uneasy. To my mind, this linguistic artificiality is precisely the kind of thing that singles people out and treats them as different, and a great example of that "euphemism treadmill". --Stfg (talk) 18:47, 21 May 2014 (UTC)


 * The situation with autism (and Deaf) is indeed different from the mainstream disability rights movement - the same people who regard "autistic" as a component of identity reject the idea that autism is a disability/impairment at all. They contend that it is just another type of "normal". In some ways they draw parallels with race or sexual orientation, where "deviations" from the norm (white, heterosexual) were (and in some societies continue to be) pathologised as characteristics of otherness. Have you read People-first language yet for the other side of the argument? I would agree that straining grammar for the sake of political correctness is ugly and an obstruction to clear communication. The style guides I linked above all generally recommend people-first language. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:45, 21 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks, . I've read it just now. Just one more thing: a distinction can be made between writing about attributes and disabilities in a general way (as I was doing in the example of tall people on the London Underground), and writing about specific individuals. An example is the composer Joaquín Rodrigo. The opening sentence of that article says: "Joaquín Rodrigo was a Spanish composer and a virtuoso pianist." If it had said instead: "Joaquín Rodrigo was a blind Spanish composer and a virtuoso pianist", that would unacceptably change the emphasis, and it would be no better at all if it were to say: "Joaquín Rodrigo was a Spanish composer and a virtuoso pianist who lost his sight at the age of three." In fact, the information about his eyesight and how he dealt with it to be able to write his music are discussed, acceptably I think, later in the article, where we know we are reading about details. My point: the emphasis given to these things is affected by how we place them in context. Mere tinkering with syntax doesn't achieve nearly so much, and may even be counter-productive, as many cited in People-first language are saying. (None of this implies that I want to be cavalier about how we phrase things. It was news to me that the term "hearing impaired" is unacceptable, and I value being informed of such things. I hope this exercise will give us more information like that.) --Stfg (talk) 21:25, 21 May 2014 (UTC)


 * I agree that how we mention and emphasise or de-emphasise disability in an article should be part of the guide. I'm just not at all sure how to formulate such advice. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 10:39, 22 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Hmm, perhaps I got over-excited last evening. Is it just a case of due/undue weight? --Stfg (talk) 11:20, 22 May 2014 (UTC)


 * I agree that the guide could include advice about WP:UNDUE. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:30, 22 May 2014 (UTC)


 * The difference between being a wheelchair user and being autistic is that "uses a wheelchair" is not a description of your neurology. You could gain the ability to walk consistently and still be you. Autism is unique and difficult to compare to other disabilities. It is neither a disorder as (for example) schizophrenia is, nor an impairment in a specific function such as being deaf. The exact meaning of autism remains poorly defined in the field of psychology because the "symptoms" are vastly different for each person. Citing anything as a reference (e.g. a scientific study or a Wikipedia guideline) that speaks "in general" about disabilities or disorders is useless in understanding autism and serves only to derail an otherwise purposeful discussion. I would like to chime in regarding the comparisons to deaf culture by saying that there is some traction to spelling Autistic with a capital A to refer to it as a community rather than an individual. From Lydia Brown's FAQ on Autistic Hoya: "I capitalize the word "Autistic" as if it were a proper adjective, for the same reason the Deaf and Blind communities capitalize the respective adjectives "Deaf" and "Blind." We do it for the same reason Black people often capitalize that word. We capitalize it as a proper adjective or noun to represent our community and our identity."
 * Also useful to this discussion would be a list of terms other than "autistic person" commonly used by autistic people:
 * "Autistic" as a noun, synonymous with autistic person/people. Although it is often used to self-identity, it may also be considered offensive for the same reason as referring to black people as "blacks".
 * "Autist" also synonymous with autistic person. Unlikely to offend as "autistic" above would.
 * "Aspie" and "Autie" are informal but not derogatory. "Aspie" is sometimes used to refer specifically to Asperger's Syndrome.
 * Person/individual "on the spectrum" is sometimes used to avoid the "person" vs. identity debate. Those who are offended by convoluted political correctness may be offended by this terminology, but in general it is considered acceptable.
 * "Aspergarian" is less common than those above, and may refer specifically to Asperger's. It is derived from the also-uncommon referral to the autism community as "Aspergia".
 * "Allistic" is the opposite of autistic. It was invented to differentiate from neurotypical, because NT means the person has no mental disorders or other neurodivergence of any kind. A person can be allistic and also schizophrenic, bipolar, etc. Muffinator (talk) 20:17, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I've not heard of people capitalizing "Blind" as an identity. I have heard of them objecting to having a complete loss of sight trivialized as merely visually impaired (as if a better pair of eyeglasses could solve the problem).  WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:26, 21 May 2014 (UTC)


 * @Muffinator - I've used the bulk of your excellent post to start a section about Autism in the draft please take a look if I've correctly captured your main points and feel free to edit. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:00, 22 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Hello! I just wanted to comment that I work in communities which provide sensitivity training and diversity training. It would be ideal if professionals in these spaces would be able to partner with the Wikipedia community to help us make our own policies. However, I have experience working with professional organizations which provide these services in both New York City and Seattle, which are two cities which I would expect to be able to host experts in this field. It is my opinion that the number of people working in these spaces who actually wish to codify what they do rather than just give improvised training in a narrow area of interest is not as great as I would expect. For example, organizations who like to talk about one kind of discrimination rarely feel comfortable talking about others, and in all cases, it is hard to deconstruct what these organizations do to be effective.
 * I also think there should be a manual of style which includes disability, but I wish it would be possible to make a manual of style going beyond that and showing sensitivity to states of identity which are not always treated as disabilities, including autism, deafness, and others. I am here for conversations and comments but I cannot take a leading role in this. I am very sympathetic to this being done and managed and would join a committee to coordinate this.  Blue Rasberry   (talk)  16:20, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree, we must also address the "states of identity" issues related to deafness and autism - see my post above responding to Doc James. I'm not enamored with the idea of having so-called professionals "preach" to us, as if we're not competent to know what we want. The rejection of that idea was one of the major causes of the emergence of the Disability rights movement. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:40, 21 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Specialist style fallacy contains this statement: "The basic argument is that because the specialist literature on some topic is &#91;usually&#93; the most reliable source of detailed facts about the specialty, it must also be the most reliable source for deciding how to name or style articles about the topic and things within its scope."
 * —Wavelength (talk) 18:05, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Does anyone know of any non-English/non-Western sources on this subject? WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:26, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
 * It's good to be aware of fallacies. It's also important to keep in mind that just because disabled people are not necessarily reliable sources on disability, that does not mean that abled sensitivity trainers are. That would be a false dilemma. Muffinator (talk) 20:51, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
 * The reverse is of course also true. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 10:39, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
 * @WhatamIdoing - I have not searched for non-English style guides, the only languages besides English that I can read are Afrikaans and to a lesser extent Dutch. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:43, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I think it would be helpful to have something (anything) that shares an African and Asian perspective.
 * "Towards a barrier-free society – What every South African should know about disability rights" seems to be a South African booklet, but the page that mentioned it didn't have a link to it. WhatamIdoing (talk) 15:26, 23 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I happen to be South African, all I found locally were bits and pieces in general style guides copied from or references to British and American guides. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:26, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I just want to chime in here to report that I have been married for a third of a century to a deaf woman,, and that we are the parents of a 24 year old son with learning disabilities (what used to be called "mildly retarded"), so these issues are ones I deal with every single day. I take a moderate position on the issues of terminology, and am able to distinguish between the hurtful "He's a retard!" as opposed to the descriptive "He has moderate mental retardation." I hope to contribute to this discussion.  Cullen 328   Let's discuss it  06:05, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Starting the guide page
I have begun drafting the style guide at WikiProject Disability/Style guide (draft), please jump right in. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 10:39, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Good start. Two questions:
 * Is style guide the right scope? (The term has flavours of prescriptivism.)
 * Is there going to be a "General advice" section before the Exceptions?
 * --Stfg (talk) 11:21, 22 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Two replies:
 * I think it's suitable, quite a few WikiProject's have a "Style guide" or "Manual of style" - WP:MEDMOS has been mentioned here and of course WP as a whole has The WP:MOS. If you're not fully comfortable with it let's explore some alternative titles. I think using words such as "guide" and "advice" reduce the chance of it being interpreted as prescriptive rules. I believe the text I have added so far (most copied from other places) is avoiding being prescriptive.
 * Yes that is my thinking at present. An introduction that frames the issue: that disability is a target for hurtful language and discrimination, both deliberate and inadvertent; that many people are uncertain how to write about the topic without causing offence or committing a faux pas, etc. Then a section of style guidance for disability in general and finally the exceptions to the general case. I started composing those parts first simply because the material is so easily available and I find it a lot easier to write about specifics than generalities. One thing we must guard against is writing from the POV of the usage prevalent in only one country - so far I've used only sources from the US.
 * Please feel free to edit it - this is a group effort by all who wish to participate, I do not WP:OWN this process. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:48, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

I think we should discuss the specifics of the page content on its own talk page. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:13, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

We need more participants in writing the guide itself - please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disability/Style guide (draft) -- Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:30, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Question re: deaf/blind cats
I recently came across a bunch of intersection categories for disability+job, in Category:Deaf_people and Category:Blind_people - I note that for most/all other disabilities, we don't have an intersection of disability + job, but we do have a set of occupations for these ones. We have a policy on WP:EGRS but that doesn't seem to cover deaf/blind, so a few questions:
 * 1) Do we need all of these categories that intersect disability with job, or should they be focused on jobs where the disability is really significant to the job (this may be debated)? Should we extend this scheme to other disabilities and conditions? If so, which ones, and if not, why not?
 * 2) Should these categories all be non-diffusing - e.g. presence in  does not mean you should not be in the other "artist" categories. My gut here is yes, and that we should perhaps change WP:EGRS to cover disabilities. Just because someone is a blind classical musician doesn't mean they aren't also a classical musician - however many of the cases I looked at, these people were "ghettoized", meaning they weren't in the parent categories.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 16:59, 21 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Only those jobs where the disability is directly relevant - e.g. an amputee doing a "desk job" such as lawyer or bank manager does not qualify for such categorization.
 * Definitely non-difusing and I fully support extending EGRS to EGRSD. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:17, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
 * On #1, what do you think of, , and  for example. I think the problem is, esp if you're deaf or blind, it's easy to see that this would impact almost any job you do, but we nonetheless don't have hundreds of categories like "Deaf business executives" and "Deaf miners" and "Deaf farmers" etc. So what is the cut-off?--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 17:50, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
 * The "Deaf ####" categories are particularly difficult because "Deaf" has at least two quite distinct meanings. The one is the inability to hear, what we're concerned with at this project - the other is Deaf as a linguistic/cultural identity. There are beauty pageants that are specifically for Deaf people. If there is doubt we should co-ordinate with WP:WikiProject Deaf. There are also pageants specifically for wheelchair users, particularly in the US, so such categories might be relevant. As for the rest we should follow the sources - if amputee company executives or one-eyed farmers (as a group/class) ever become the subject of significant media coverage, then we might need a category. I tend to err on the side of not creating a category unless it would be large enough to be useful for navigating the 'pedia. A category shouldn't exist simply because it can, there should always be a defensible "external" need for it. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 06:35, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
 * to me, that is all the more reason to embed the disability-related categories into WP:EGRS, as it clearly states intersection categories - whether of gender, religion, sexuality, or ethnicity - should only be created if this is a subgrouping regularly discussed. I think "Deaf musicians" and "Blind musicians" are examples that are regularly discussed, so we should have categories, some of the others are more debatable (like "Deaf business executives", which we don't have).--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 19:50, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

I've started a draft guideline here Wikipedia_talk:Categorization/Ethnicity,_gender,_religion_and_sexuality. Please join and share your thoughts.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 15:39, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Updating the abovementioned link, a formal proposal has been started at - WT:Categorization/Ethnicity, gender, religion and sexuality - please contribute. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:59, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Leaflet For Wikiproject Disability At Wikimania 2014
Hi all,

My name is Adi Khajuria and I am helping out with Wikimania 2014 in London.

One of our initiatives is to create leaflets to increase the discoverability of various wikimedia projects, and showcase the breadth of activity within wikimedia. Any kind of project can have a physical paper leaflet designed - for free - as a tool to help recruit new contributors. These leaflets will be printed at Wikimania 2014, and the designs can be re-used in the future at other events and locations.

This is particularly aimed at highlighting less discoverable but successful projects, e.g:

• Active Wikiprojects: Wikiproject Medicine, WikiProject Video Games, Wikiproject Film

• Tech projects/Tools, which may be looking for either users or developers.

• Less known major projects: Wikinews, Wikidata, Wikivoyage, etc.

• Wiki Loves Parliaments, Wiki Loves Monuments, Wiki Loves ____

• Wikimedia thematic organisations, Wikiwomen’s Collaborative, The Signpost

For more information or to sign up for one for your project, go to: Project leaflets Adikhajuria (talk) 12:36, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Draft leaflet
I have created a draft leaflet at http://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Project_Leaflets#WikiProject_Disability - please check it for errors and make improvements - bear in mind the tight word count limits. If you wish to discuss the content please do so here - not on the Wikimania page. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:31, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

New page: WikiProject Autism (draft)
I noticed that WikiProject Disability has subcategories, or at least one in WikiProject Deaf. As autism is at least as broad of a topic as deafness, I have created a draft page for developing WikiProject Autism. I will be working on this sporadically, using WikiProject Deaf as a major point of reference. Anyone else is welcome to contribute, as I do not WP:OWN the page. I am also interested in tips and suggestions from anyone who may not work on the page directly. Muffinator (talk) 09:54, 9 July 2014 (UTC)


 * @Muffinator - Just off the top of my head, I believe User:Purplewowies is an admin with a personal interest in autism and might be willing to help with some of the technicalities. Good luck! Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:36, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, that's new. I've never been mistaken for an admin! I'm not an admin here (I do know my way around the tools Wikia admins get because I've admined a Wikia or two, but I'm not a Wikipedia admin in any sense of the word and don't know my way around any tools WP mops have that Wikia ones don't). I'm also not all that in on the technical side of Wikiprojects (I once was, but when I started getting busy, that was the first to go), though I can reacquaint myself with it. I'm autistic, and I've been drifting away from Wikpedia a little bit lately, but I'd be willing to contribute where and when I can. Just a note though, that a Wikiproject Autism proposal happened twice—I thought there was a third around 2011-12 somewhere but I cannot find it—and didn't gain traction (people opposing, worries about activism(!), not enough interst)—if the project can't get off the ground though, it could definitely be created as a task force, however. Participants, in any case, should be prudent to not allow any particular perspective to take over the project/taskforce (i.e. cure movement or rights movement taking over) and to present all perspectives within the autism/autistic communities without applying undue weight to any one of them. I have to get off, but I'll look into what I can do when I return. - Purplewowies (talk) 18:18, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Perhaps the fact that you have rollback privileges is what confused Roger. It seems to me that the previous proposals you mention had no opposition, but only a lack of follow-through. I believe this time will be different. Even if I am the sole editor of the draft page, it will probably get more attention once it becomes a full-fledged project page. In this scenario, it's still a wiki that anyone can edit, so if any issue arises as a result of me being a human with a single perspective, anybody can tear apart the problematic bits. Muffinator (talk) 19:17, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
 * The best advice I can think of to anyone starting a new wikiproject is also to include in the new project a list of articles in reference works related to the topic, like those in Category:WikiProject lists of encyclopedic articles. It is not at all unusual for any project in the early stages to have more energy than awareness of the topic, and having some sort of generally achievable and reasonable objetives tends to be a plus too. WorldCat indicates The autism encyclopedia by John T Neisworth and Pamela S Wolfe, Autism encyclopedia: the complete guide to autism spectrum disorders by E Amanda Boutot and Matthew J Tincani, The encyclopedia of autism spectrum disorders by Carol Turkington and Ruth Anan, and Encyclopedia of autism spectrum disorders by Fred R Volkmar are all extant, and finding out what topics they give articles and subarticles to, and what sources they use, would definitely be good. I have access to the first three if some of you others don't, and would be willing to eventually create such lists from one or more of them if others here don't and some one asks me on my user talk page, but I am working on several other such lists already and might not get to them soon. John Carter (talk) 20:43, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
 * The one I said I couldn't find is one I remember having strong opposition, but I cannot find it at present. (I remember the strong opposition because I was surprised at it... but I don't think I thought the entire proposal up out of nowhere. Huh. I'll keep searching and try to also see what I can do to help build this one.) - Purplewowies (talk) 17:04, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
 * It could be one of these, I dunno. But even some really bad reference sources can have decent organizational structure or have broader coverage of some areas than others. And, based on a question I asked some time ago, named subsections of large articles in reference sources can be used as one indicator of notability of that subtopic if needed, so even bad reference sources can be useful. John Carter (talk) 17:49, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Style guide
The style guide draft has been moved to Manual of Style/Disability-related articles. Editors who were not involved in the page's creation are encouraged to review it. Muffinator (talk) 00:23, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

WikiProject Autism
After 2 weeks as a draft, WikiProject Autism is now live! Check it out, feel free to add yourself to the participant list, and please add WikiProjectAutism to the talk pages of any relevant articles you come across. Muffinator (talk) 02:49, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Category move request
The following request won't show up on the alerts because it is a user category: Categories for discussion/Log/2014 August 3. --Mirokado (talk) 15:22, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

WikiProject Medicine's POV
Several members of WikiProject Medicine have demonstrated a rigid adherence to the medical model of disability, which is understandable, but they defend that worldview very aggressively, edit warring on any attempt to give due weight to the social model or otherwise shift articles towards neutrality. What can we do to mitigate these sorts of disputes going forward? Muffinator (talk) 12:46, 3 August 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure that WikiProject Disability is really interested in being dragged into a POV conflict between WikiProject Autism and WikiProject Medicine. However, I do agree that some members' of WPMED's inflexibility about this type of issue has presented as a problem during my editing on a few occasions. Pointing out the Social model of disability article to them might help, but do try to keep a cool head and AGF at all times. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:59, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
 * I put this here because the medical vs. social POV conflict applies to all disabilities, not just autism. Note that I've declared myself a member of both WP Autism and WP Disability. Muffinator (talk) 21:14, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

The Wikipedia Vital Articles index has sorted Disability under Medicine
Please participate in the discussion to get it reclassified under Social Issues - WT:Vital articles/Expanded. -- Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:26, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Autism cure movement
Template:Autism cure movement has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Frietjes (talk) 22:45, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

New draft article needs help
I have started drafting Draft:Disability in South Africa, some help to expand and improve it would really be appreciated. In particular the section on demographics could use some expert input - a report on disability was published recently by Statistics South Africa. Unfortunately I am not good at exctracting and summarizing the essential elements of such reports, my ability to parse socioeconomic statistics is rather limited. Some of the other sections also need to be expanded before the draft will be ready for mainspace. The article structure is modeled on similar articles such as Disability in Australia and Disability in Sierra Leone. -- Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:57, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

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