Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Discrimination/Archive 3

Feminization of Poverty
Hey all,

I am interested in adding and revising the content of the Feminization of Poverty page. Although the current article discusses the basic concepts of the issue, we felt that many important issues related to poverty have gone unnoticed. One of the most important aspects of the feminization of poverty is the deprivation of human capabilities, such as health and education. Because women are discriminated against and provided with less opportunity to receive good education and health, they are more suspect to poverty and deprivation. Another aspect of this, which is not discussed, is lone-mother households. It has been statistically shown that households in which mothers are the main source of income are at the highest risk of poverty. Though some women choose this lifestyle in order to increase their power and independence, many women are prevented because of social norms and discrimination from achieving economic stability. Please take a look at the Feminization of Poverty page, any comments or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks! --Yk12 (talk) 20:25, 30 March 2011 (UTC) --Anabuiles8 (talk) 22:52, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Glass Ceiling
One page that came to my attention is the glass ceiling because it originally started out as the discrimination of women in the workplace but has evolved to include anyone that is being discriminated in the workplace. I agree with that but in a historical perspective I am trying to keep the page specifically about the discrimination against women and how it has affected many aspects of their work. Are there any suggestions as to what I should be sure to include or to not include? Clwilson91 (talk) 01:58, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

New to WikiProject Discrimination.
Hello, I've just signed up to WikiProject Discrimination. I'm also fairly new to Wikipedia as well. I don't have much experience but my strength so far is editing articles in a neutral tone and for clarity. If anyone would like to make suggestions about which Discrimination related articles I could look at, please let me know via this talk page or my user talk page. Thanks. Russell Dent (talk) 02:43, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Discrimination in employment and compensation
I'm a Jewish white man, but don't hold that against me! ;-) I'm interested in reports that women are paid less than men, or are given jobs that are less prestigious. And I hope I can work together with other contributors without suffering what happened to economist Lawrence Summers. I'm not a college graduate, so maybe I'm less of a threat.

I'd like to list all factors related to the wage disparity between men and women. How much of it is due to the refusal of employers to provide "equal pay for equal work"? How much is due to refusal to hire or promote women who actually have commensurate ability and experience?

How much is due to women deliberately choosing lower-paying careers? What is the quantifiable effect (on seniority and experience levels) of the decision to stay home and raise the kids?

Separate from that (or maybe based on it) might be additional perspectives on whether any remaining pay disparity - after career choice and years out of the workforce is accounted for - can and ought to be evened up. Is anyone out there suggesting a quota system to put equal numbers of women in math and science positions in academia, regardless of the relative numbers of qualified applicants? Or have there been proposals to pay women more than men, in cases where the employer is already paying men and women equally for doing the same work, so that the average pay of women will make up the difference between $0.76 per $1.00 that men are paid? --Uncle Ed (talk) 20:27, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Quote farm

 * The unexplained portion of the pay gap is often interpreted as the result of discrimination. In this view, once differences between men and women in the relevant determinants of wages are taken into account, any remaining difference in pay must be due to discrimination. But this explanation may be too simplistic.


 * And as late as the 1980s, the date of the most recent detailed longitudinal study, a gender pay differential of about 12 percent remained unexplained even after adjustments for gender differences in education, labor market experience, broad occupational and industrial distributions, and union status. According to this study, the gender pay gap ratio in 1988 was 72 percent. Women’s lower full-time experience explained roughly one-third of the pay gap, and gender differences in industry, occupation, and union status explained about 28 percent of the pay gap.

Let's add that up: 33% = one third +28% ==== 61% = three fifths (known factors), leaving 39% = two fifths (unknown factors)

The typical argument assumes that all of the wage gap is due to pay discrimination. But those who don't dismiss the known factors typically assome that the rest is due to it.
 * In a 2010 study of single, childless urban workers between the ages of 22 and 30, the research firm Reach Advisors found that women earned an average of 8% more than their male counterparts.

I think for the purposes of this article, we should say that "don't know means don't know" and label any assumptions as the viewpoint of the advocate in question. --Uncle Ed (talk) 21:07, 26 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Anybody genuinely interested in a nuanced breakdown of the wage gap might spend a couple of pleasant hours with the 6th edition of the scrupulously objective economics textbook, The Economics of Women, Men, and Work, by Francine Blau, Marianne Ferber, and Anne Winkler. In an elegant dissection, the authors show that over half of the wage gap can indeed be explained by occupational and industry segregation—women staying out of certain jobs and congregating in others—and by the fact that women as a whole still have less labor market experience than men ...

Chinese language parody
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Rosie_O'Donnell. —Bagumba (talk) 22:25, 29 April 2011 (UTC) (Using )

racism in the birther movement
I have tried to include an image in Barack Obama citizenship conspiracy theories to illustrate why that movement is widely perceived as racist. Any mention of racism has met opposition, none more vociferous than including the image File:President_Obama_Monkeys.jpg, a politically notable image which has made the news and which makes the reasons for that perception so clear. The image is up for deletion at, and exclusion from the article is being debated at , with the argument that there is nothing racist about the birther movement, and some gaming of the system. Comments welcome. — kwami (talk) 20:56, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Housing Discrimination in the United States
Hello. I'm considering editing the page on Housing Discrimination (United States). I've been researching the subject, and I see that the page does not give much information. It also really only discusses exclusionary discrimination, which is when a person is directly denied the housing of their choice based on religion, sexual orientation, race, familial status, etc. I'd like to add information on nonexclusionary discrimination, in which a person who already has housing faces further discrimination, such as harassment, differential treatment, intimidation, and higher payments, based on their religion, sexual orientation, race, and so on. I'd also just like to expand the sections in general. Alissahart (talk) 23:10, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Racial Inequality in the United States
Hi all! I am interested in creating a page on the topic of racial inequality in the United States. There is no current article that discusses this important issue in any great detail. The closest page I found relating to racial inequality is the Racism page; however, the page never actually discusses the consequences of racism which lead can to racial inequality. I think racial inequality is a very interesting and relevant issue that would make a good contribution to Wikipedia. In this proposed new article, I would like to include information about the ways we see racial inequality in the U.S. including the racial wealth gap, education,unemployment, poverty, and regional inequality among others. Cnovoa17 (talk) 05:04, 18 October 2011 (UTC)Cnovoa17

Somatotype and constitutional psychology - promotion of racism by lack of NPOV
Hi. The article Somatotype and constitutional psychology covers a pseudoscientific topic, the psychological/biological theories of one William Sheldon, which as it happens had some racial elements. A contributor to the article has been adding material to it assuming that Sheldon was correct (contrary to WP:FRINGE), extending the racist elements beyond the original sources (and the rest of the nonsense beyond the original sources, with WP:OR covered up with citations to a work that does not in fact make the statements in question) such as adding "Mongoloid" to the supposed racial categories (the other two, present to some degree in the original work, being the "Nordics" and Jews). Attempts to remove this have been responded to by their prompt replacement; attempts at discussion on the Talk page of the article have been responded to with personal attacks. Some assistance would be appreciated. Thanks! Allens (talk) 05:30, 1 December 2011 (UTC)


 * What is needed primarily now is some calming down of people. Multiple people have been engaging in near-edit-warring (possibly in edit-warring, I can't tell). I will probably be asking for help at WP:DRN soon... Allens (talk) 05:29, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Advice?
Can you please give me an advice. In a recent discussion on page Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Croatia at the bottom, I think I was the target of ridicule on ethnicity of user User:Timbouctou when we talking about adding a minority language in articles about settlements in Croatia. "So the next step in the evolution of your thinking is that "all minority languages are historic languages"? Lol. Does that include Hebrew for Jews? Tell me so I can start filling in articles with toponyms in Yiddish and Hebrew. How about the Romani people?" is a quote that I belive is not appropriate. Especially if we consider that the Jews, Romani people and Serbs were targeted for genocide during World War II. I'm interested in what I could do about it and how, He is a very influential member of the project Croatia.--MirkoS18 (talk) 21:52, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Neo-Confederate Category to be deleted
Most entries currently advocate deletion of the category. There is a Neo-Confederate article naming groups and persons as Neo-Confederate, yet there is no category to note that an entity has been so-designated by notable civil rights groups.Redhanker (talk) 17:11, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2012_February_5#Category:Neo-Confederate

College Women in Science and Engineering
I'm interested in creating a new article on Wikipedia tentatively named "The Lack of College Women in Science and Engineering." I've decided to create this article because the lack of women in these fields is a widespread issue throughout the world, but as seen by the numerous articles I've visited so far, it is not discussed significantly enough. My article will discuss the lack of women in the S/E field, the discriminatory factors behind this issue, and their consequences for women both in college and beyond graduation. The other sub-sections I'll be adding are currently in a brainstorming process, but nevertheless, I hope to shed light on this issue beyond devoting just one paragraph or two alone (what I've seen on other pages). This is an issue that is too often and incorrectly assumed to be attributed to just women's choice alone, or worse, to some innate lack of mental capacity. I wish to discuss this and more in depth, so I'll be free to suggestions and peer edits for the next couple of months to come.

J hernan26 (talk) 04:18, 7 March 2012 (UTC)J hernan26

(((( Update ))))

This is in response to my above posting about creating the "College Women in Science and Engineering" page. After much feedback, I've decided that I'll no longer be going through with a separate page altogether but will instead add substantially to the "Women in Engineering" page. This article could use some serious revision given its significance to feminism and women's technical achievements throughout time. I believe I'll keep most of the previous layout the same, but I'll just be sure to exclude the science part and focus exclusively on engineering. And I won't focus too much on college women but rather women engineers as a whole. I hope this is better and certainly not too narrow. And as always, I'll be open to suggestions and help along the way.

J hernan26 (talk) 23:33, 8 March 2012 (UTC)J hernan26

HIV/AIDS in South African townships
WikiProject Discrimination aims to improve the number and quality of articles on Wikipedia relating to discrimination. In accordance with this goal, I would like to create a new article entitled "HIV/AIDS in South African townships." In this article, I will demonstrate the link between HIV/AIDS and poverty and the long-term effects of apartheid on health disparities in South Africa. Apartheid, which was not formally discontinued until 1994, left non-white South Africans trapped in underdeveloped areas known as townships with little access to social services. Today, HIV/AIDS is particularly concentrated in South African townships due to poverty and a lack of education and awareness programs. I hope to contribute to the efforts of WikiProject Discrimination through this article by underlining the relationship between the discriminatory policies of apartheid and the current HIV/AIDS crisis in South African townships.

I welcome your comments and suggestions! Thanks!

Jak8 (talk) 22:38, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Oppositional Culture
I am planning on expanding the page on Oppositional Culture. Oppositional culture is an explanation for the underachievement of minority students in the United States. This theory suggests that there are societal expectations from members of certain groups that pose gaining and education as a betrayal of their own community. The theory's originator, John Ogbu, as well as other theories on educational underachievement have pages with a fair amount of information. Oppositional culture, having been studied for over thirty years has a significant amount of both supporting and dissenting research. I aim to present both of these in my expansion to create a portal of discussion on this theory. This theory helps to explain the continuation of inequality in the United States and I believe will be a good supplement to the information already provided. Any suggestions and feedback will be appreciated on this subject.

Risadieken (talk) 01:17, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Revision and Expansion of Immigrant health care in the United States
I plan to expand the stub article Immigrant health care in the United States and add it to WikiProject Discrimination. WikiProject Discrimination seeks to produce and improve the number of articles related to discrimination. Evidence from medical journals, policy reports, and government data suggest the existence of a clear disparity in health care access and usage between immigrants and native-born citizens in the U.S. This is largely a result of discrimination that manifests in cultural and institutional barriers. The consequences of such ultimately portend negative health behaviors and lifestyles for the United States’ foreign-born population. In that regard, I feel that immigrant health care in the United States is relevant and complies with the aims of WikiProject Discrimination. As it stands now, the article is a stub and contains an insubstantial amount of information about the topic. Therefore, I wish to further develop this entry by contributing a more extensive amount of background information. All input and feedback would be appreciated on this topic. Thank you! JoyceChou (talk) 03:08, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Discrimination based on skin color
According to the WikiProject Discrimination mission statement, the project seeks to develop standards for articles on discrimination topics and improve articles in scope with quality references and viewpoints. Since the project covers all articles related to discrimination, I am planning on the article on Discrimination based on skin color and making it more substantive. Specifically, I will provide a historical overview of the term “colorism” and how it came to be, hoping to improve the article by adding a more encyclopedic tone. I want to expand the background, addressing concerns of other Wikipedia users such as Rudolph Aspirant, clarifying the various aspects of Colorism and how it is considered to be a different type of discrimination than racism. I also want to discuss the impact of colorism on the commercial industry, perceptions of beauty, the accumulation of wealth, and individual outcomes. In addition, I want to discuss how colorism is favored and disfavored in various countries throughout the world. Although I intend to change the article title to “Colorism,” the article links directly to issues of discrimination as colorism is a widely used neologism that is defined as “discrimination based on skin color.” I would appreciate any feedback, and look forward to contributing to the project.

Cctomball (talk) 16:03, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Western Voices World News
I have seen some people online citing articles by the Western Voices World News and I am not sure, but I think it may be a white supremicist news organization. There are even some wikipedia articles that use these articles as a citation. Does anyone have any information about this organization? Remember (talk) 16:13, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Racial Wealth Gap in the United States
I have recently made substantial edits on the Racial Inequality in the United States page that I posted I would do a few weeks ago on this talk page. Because the racial wealth gap is due to historic and possibly modern day discrimination against minorities, I thought it would be of interest to WikiProject Discrimination. The edits are in the Racial Wealth Gap and Housing sections. All of my sources are from academic/professional journals or books and government reports. I have edited the content originally under the Racial Wealth Gap section, divided the Racial wealth gap section into sections named History, Inheritance, Income Effects, and Financial Decisions, edited the Home Ownership section under Housing and added a section on Home Equity. My edits have made the section on the Racial Wealth Gap much more expansive. I have also added links to this page from other pages that discussed economic inequality in the United States under the sections that referred to racial inequities. Users didn't understand some of the terms I used so I added Wikipedia pages that explained and clarified some of the confusion. If you are interested, please check out the edited page and give feedback about what you think is missing in the sections that relate to the U.S. racial wealth gap. Feel free to add links you think are relevant to the page.Kristianedosomwan5 (talk) 23:54, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Modern forms of racism?
I've been looking at some of the modern forms of racism articles, like symbolic racism and aversive racism, but I've noticed that there is no overarching Modern Racism article. This article could give a nice overview of how modern forms of racism (aversive, ambivalent, symbolic, etc) as a whole differ from classic "old-fashioned" racism, how the shift from overt racism to subtle racism came about, etc. I've also been doing some work on symbolic racism, but for being arguably the most prevalent form of racism (in the US) today, its page is still a little meager. Maybe these guys could be added to the to-do list if anyone had any interest? RachulAdmas (talk) 14:36, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

List of African-American firsts
You are invited to visit the article's talk page and comment on inclusion criteria. Zepppep (talk) 09:21, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

"Whitetrash"/"Hillbilly" citations on sports pages
There is a discussion Talk:Steeler_Nation referencing team affiliation as part of your race, specifically "hillbilly" and "white trash" (not my words) based on a free publication citation. Please add your insight. Thank you. MarketdiamondMarketDiamond 19:25, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Help needed on link dispute on LGBT and Discrimination templates
I've started a discussion at the project who is chiefly responsible for the integrity of the LGBT template; discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject LGBT studies. The same editor who has opposed many facets of reporting on anti-gay hate groups (they tried to delete the entire list) has deleted the link from the discrimination templates. WP:EGG and WP:LINKCLARITY seem to be the relevant guidelines on links but I ask for any help in reaching consensus how to best display the link to our list of anti-gay hate groups. Please add your comments here. Thank you in advance. Insomesia (talk) 07:45, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment: As the other editor involved, I don't mind this project being alerted, but this is not a particularly good faith posting - "they tried to delete the entire list" is a bad faith response to a deletion nomination. StAnselm (talk) 07:57, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Your pattern of deleting content across multiple articles all tied to documenting anti-gay hate groups speaks for itself. Insomesia (talk) 08:03, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Such a vague generalisation is really rather uncivil. StAnselm (talk) 08:32, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Proposed topic: Exclusionary zoning
The Discrimination WikiProject comprehensively manages a wide variety of well-written entries that pertain to the practice of discimination. In accordance with this mission, I plan to considerably expand the current Exclusionary zoning page and add it to this particular WikiProject. Exclusionary zoning is an appropriate addition to this WikiProject community as it delves into the discriminatory process of implementing regulations that ultimately exclude certain groups from a given area. Demographic homogeneity is thus maintained as minority group access to the neighborhood is inhibited. Such policies remain a largely unknown aspect of society. The page's dearth of relevant information does not align with the topic's particular significance and prevalence. Therefore, with the page's enhancement along with the attachment to this WikiProject, I hope to raise awareness about exclusionary zoning. Primarily through the use of scholarly articles and policy reports, I intend to completely revise the current entry by elaborating on the current sections of history and examples while adding new topics covering the legality, motivations and effects of this policy. Given the gravity of this topic, I recognize that I likely will need assistance throughout the project's development. Therefore, I encourage all feedback and suggestions on any aspect of my proposal. Thank you for your consideration. Mwtwgt (talk) 15:59, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Revision of Employment and specifically Gender Discrimination
Hello everyone. I would like to edit the section on "Employment Discrimination". I am planning to write more on gender discrimination, which is a subsection of employment discrimination, and engender the entire employment discrimination page. If you have any concerns, ideas or suggestions, please let me know. Thank you. Orhand12 (talk) 22:27, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Creation of a page that documents rape comments during the 2012 election
I would suggest that this would be a useful page. It could be created out of the backbone of the Todd Akin article. As such I have started a merge discussion here.Casprings (talk) 02:44, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Tar and feathers removal
I have been tarred or tarred and feathered a number of times. Sometimes it was Stockholm Tar which will wash of over some hours with a lot of effort. I 1989 I was coated with hot pitch and feathers. The feathers fell off over a month but the pitch would only wear off. It was impossible to wear cloths over the pitch. Ittool twelve months to completely go so that I was naked and black for a year. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.177.19.50 (talk) 14:15, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Assistance requested at White privilege
Hi,

There are a number of ongoing disputes over elements of White privilege. Since this article is a part of this WikiProject, I am hoping there might be some editors who can assist with sorting things out. -- UseTheCommandLine (talk) 07:34, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

RfC/U regarding an editor's alleged behavior at White privilege
This is intended simply to notify others on this wikiproject of an ongoing RfC/U, stemming from events that have occured over the last several months at White privilege, a page which is of interest to this wikiproject.

The link for the RfC is here.

-- UseTheCommandLine (talk) 02:16, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

article assessment feature of Template:WPBannerMeta?
Is there any interest in using the assessment features of Template:WPBannerMeta for the talk page banner of this project? I'd be happy to figure out how to do it if the project is interested. Maybe someone already knows? It doesn't look so hard.&mdash; alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 04:20, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I think it is a very good idea. That is something some other projects, like MilHist, already have.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 05:52, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Note: I set up an example of how it would look here: User:Alf.laylah.wa.laylah/sandbox-discrimination.talk.page.template.example The only difference is that I commented out the proper category field in the template so that my sandbox wouldn't end up getting categorized. As far as I can see there are only a few steps involved in implementing this: (i) change the template code to be like the version in my sandbox, (ii) create all the necessary categories for sorting the assessed and unassessed articles, and (iii) testing the bot that sorts the articles after they're assessed.&mdash; alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 16:02, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Note: Ah, and then we put this: Template:Articles by Quality and Importance on the page and we're all set to start assessing.&mdash; alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 16:16, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I think its great. Thank you!--Antidiskriminator (talk) 16:56, 8 September 2012 (UTC)


 * OK, it's done. I'm going to have to wait a little while to figure out how to get the fancy table on the project page, and that might depend on waiting till the bot notices that this project is signed up.  More news as it happens, and meanwhile, feel free to assess articles that have the talk page template on them.&mdash; alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 00:07, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

I don't know if you all noticed, but the table is working and on the project page, along with a link to the assessment log. I've been trying to get through 10 or 20 articles a day in the backlog, but everyone should feel free to help out, of course!&mdash; alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 00:34, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you. This project deserves to be more alive.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 01:57, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

New Black Panther Party voter intimidation case
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:New Black Panther Party voter intimidation case. RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 18:05, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Sex segregation article
Greetings all, As a part of Rice University's Poverty, Justice, and Human Capabilities minor, my Poverty and Gender class annually contributes to Wikipedia articles concerning gender bias and disparities. My partner and I have chosen to contribute to and overhaul the article titled "Sex segregation" as it is in dire need of more citations and a global perspective, among other things. We plan on joining the WikiProject Discrimination as within sex segregation there are often cases of differential sex and gender discrimination which will be discussed in the article. The name will be changed to Gender segregation (even though gender segregation is linked), as we believe that gender is more inclusive towards segregation not only between the biological sexes but between the socially constructed genders as well. We plan on reorganizing the article by starting off from a very broad, theoretical perspective, discussing scholarly definitions and causes of gender segregation, subsequently addressing different spheres of gender segregation in public and private realms. The current article does an adequate job of discussing some arenas in which gender segregation takes place, so we will definitely include the well-cited information the article currently contains. We plan to include contemporary examples, which not only facilitates a global perspective, but also provides an opportunity for multiple editors to continually update the article, maintaining high-quality work. Lastly, we want to discuss consequences (positive and negative) of gender segregations for all genders as well as critiques of gender segregation. There are many prominent theorists including Blackburn, Nussbaum, and Sen whose works we will be utilizing to analyze gender segregation underneath the realm of the Capabilities Approach that is prevalent in our Poverty, Justice, and Human Capabilities minor. We would love feedback from other editors and contributors of this project, especially concerning some of the potential problems we foresee including but not limited to: maintaining a neutral and encyclopedic tone since some research considers gender segregation to have positive outcomes while socially it is overwhelmingly negative, representing both genders, and distinguishing between sex and gender segregation. Any other technical or miscellaneous feedback is also more than welcome. Thanks so much!

Achresto (talk) 21:40, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

AfD at Definitions of Pogrom
Hi everyone, we'd be grateful for your thoughts at Articles for deletion/Definitions of Pogrom. Oncenawhile (talk) 18:40, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Sex workers' rights expansion
Hi all! I am a student at Rice University and I am currently working on revising the Sex workers' rights page more to include more information about the history of the page and to include some of the issues that sex workers face as far as discrimination is concerned. I have sources that discuss the health education they are excluded out of, as well as, the issues they face when trying to get health services. However, I am interested in the stigma that is attached to the workers when they leave sex work and try to integrate themselves into other fields of labor. If you guys have any information about scholarly sources that discuss the stigma attached to workers after they have left the field and the ways that it affects them, I would greatly appreciate it. Also, feel free to give me feedback on other ways to improve the article. Thanks! Lgriffin92 (talk) 02:05, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Reservation Poverty Expansion
I am a student with Rice University's Poverty Justice and Human Capabilities Minor. I am proposing an expansion of the artcile on reservation poverty to include an addition that outlines the specific effects of poverty on the female population on reservations and how these outcomes affect their human capabilities. he expansion will include information on domestic violence and rape against women as well as trends in teenage pregnancy and suicide. I will also include a section on the presence of development organizations focused on women's groups and family structures. Currently, the page provides a broad overview of the rates of poverty on the reservations and some explanation for its causes and examples of development efforts. Due to the gendered effects of poverty, an addition of a section focused on women and family's will provide a better understanding of the effects of poverty on reservation populations. These differing effects also make this article pertinent under this wiki project page.

I plan on using a number of sources for the expansion of this section. I will be using scholarly sources, statistics provided by federal organizations as well as information from local newspapers and magazines that have a closer relationship with Native American communities. If you have any valuable feedback or comments I would love to have constructive criticism as I add to this page.

Risadieken (talk) 05:05, 6 March 2013 (UTC)risadieken

Article for deletion
Hi all, Anti-Serb sentiment has been taken to AfD. It's apparently within the scope of this project. Comments from uninvolved editors would be welcome. bobrayner (talk) 15:57, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:African-American Civil Rights Movement (1955–1968)
Greetings! I have recently relisted a requested move discussion at Talk:African-American_Civil_Rights_Movement_(1955–1968), regarding a page relating to this WikiProject. Discussion and opinions are invited. Thanks,  Tyrol5   [Talk]  01:50, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Request for Input
I have been editing the article Native American mascot controversy. It has only a few watchers and contributors, so I would like to stimulate additional participation.FigureArtist (talk) 17:56, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Why is there racism everywhere except East Asia?
There is a curious imbalance among article titles. The WP Category:Racism by country includes over forty articles titled "Racism in …" but only three titled "Ethnic issues in …" On the one hand are Racism in Argentina, Racism in Australia, Racism in Brazil, etc. – on the other are Ethnic issues in China (originally Racism in the People's Republic of China), Ethnic issues in Japan, and Ethnic issues in the Philippines (i.e., the tiny Template:Ethnic issues). Should these exceptional titles use the common name "racism" instead of the PC euphemism "ethnic issues"? Keahapana (talk) 01:43, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Can someone please offer an opinion?
About the Bill of Rights. Thanks. USchick (talk) 23:00, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Template:Ethnic slurs
I think Template:Ethnic slurs is useless and should be removed. Please join the discussion at its talk page. --91.10.13.118 (talk) 10:53, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Rape during the liberation of France

 * Section determined to violate WP:CANVAS and user responsible currently blocked. Eh doesn&#39;t afraid of anyone (talk) 05:07, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

There is a page Rape during the liberation of France, which mentions descrimination against African American soldiers. But some people want to hide historical shame articles. Need some opinions. See Talk:Rape during the liberation of France.Syngmung (talk) 05:28, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Please see WP:CANVAS. Also, what does this have to do with discrimination? Inserting links to articles about prostitution in order to promote your own POV that this is the same as rape is NOT related to discrimination. For everyone else: please ignore this person. Xe has been inserting OR (particularly of the SYNTH variety) into numerous articles on rape and other almost entirely unrelated articles (read: adding a paragraph about rape to Invasion of Normandy), and inserting links to completely unrelated articles about prostitution in South Korea. These edits are at the very best highly offensive and inappropriate. Cheers! Eh doesn&#39;t afraid of anyone (talk) 13:30, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
 * What is the OR? Sourced contents. Eh doesn't afraid of anyone, the SPA comments are filled with OR without reliable sources.--Syngmung (talk) 13:59, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Lamest edit wars
There is currently a discussion on the talk page for Lamest edit wars about whether "lame" is an ableist term and whether the title should be changed. Gobōnobō + c 03:27, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Anti-discrimination proposal to the WMF
Hi, I just wandered across your WikiProject while looking for something else, and thought you might be interested in a proposal I saw on Meta-Wiki which has to do with establishing an anti-discrimination policy on Wikimedia Foundation projects, including Wikipedia. Please be aware that the link may change soon, as the current title of this proposal is "Request for WMF board resolution on homophobia" (emphasis mine), yet it also states in the draft policy that it should apply to "discrimination against staff or volunteers on the grounds of race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or perceived membership of other minority groups". I have suggested that the title should be changed to reflect this diversity. Augur NZ  &#x2710;  &#x2315;  09:23, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Reverse discrimination Definition.
If I gave this article's definition of Reverse Discrimination on a Social Psycholgy exam I would have failed. I was taught that Reverse Discrimination has nothing to do with Majority or minority status. Reverse Discrimination is discimination against one own group. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.225.0.178 (talk) 19:37, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

That is a good guess but no. Reverse Discrimination is discrimination against groups in power. Reverse Racism is against white non-hispanic gentiles. Reverse Sexism is against Cisgender Men etc. However what you are talking about is an issue. Its known as Internal Discrimination and includes concepts such as the Self-Hating Jew or Republicans who have sex with men in public bathrooms while lobbying for anti-gay laws.-Rainbowofpeace (talk) 15:28, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Help with an article?
Hey, I need some help with an article. I've created an article on Keshia Thomas, the woman in the photograph where a black woman is shielding a man thought to be a white supremacist. I would like some general help with editing the article for neutrality (you can kind of see my hero worship for her actions in the article as a whole), but I also need help in finding how I can get the photograph of the event onto the article as well. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)   09:46, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Resegregation of U.S. Schools
I am a student at Rice University and would like to create a new Wikipedia entry entitled “Resegregation of U.S. Schools.” This would be an educational assignment for my Poverty, Justice, and Human Capabilities course. As participants in this WikiProject, do you believe that this article would be an appropriate contribution to the Discrimination WikiProject?

This article will cite the trends in school desegregation/resegregation since the Supreme Court ruling in Brown v. Board of Education. It will then document the various potential causes of these trends including residential segregation, school choice policies, and court rulings that have reversed previous desegregation efforts. The article will then cite studies on the effects of segregated schools, including its effects on educational attainment and social wellbeing. Finally, the article will document the various policies proposed for reversing this trend (such as greater regulation of charter schools).

My sources for this Wikipedia will include articles from scholarly journals such as Education and Urban Society, the American Sociological Review, and the Journal of Policy Analysis and Management.

Any comments or feedback on this project would be greatly appreciated! Sallyhc42 (talk) 20:59, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't know much about the topic but after quick GB search I concluded that it is well sourced and would be an appropriate contribution to the Discrimination WikiProject.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 06:33, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I would say that there is segregation of racial minorities in some schools, as well as gender segregation, sexual orientation segregation and religious segregation. I think you could make an article if you collected enough sources.-Rainbowofpeace (talk) 05:11, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your responses! I received some feedback on other project pages that suggested that "resegregation" could be interpreted as a non-neutral term, so I ended up creating the article School segregation in the United States instead. Right now, the article focuses primarily on contemporary segregation patterns, but I'm hoping to add more to the history portion eventually. If you have a chance to look at the article and give me feedback, I would greatly appreciate it! Sallyhc42 (talk) 20:15, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Referendum in Croatia
I invite all interested editors to contribute in article Croatian constitutional referendum, 2013.--MirkoS18 (talk) 13:10, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Heterophobia RfD
A discussion that may be of interest to members of this project is taking place at Redirects for discussion/Log/2013 December 9. - MrX 00:07, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Requesting Peer Review for Evaluative diversity
Dear WikiProject: I think the Evaluative diversity page is in the scope of the discrimination project (please let me know if it isn't). I'd really appreciate some help with it--writing tends to discriminate by aiming at an audience with certain evaluative orientations (and not with others), so this is a particularly challenging article to edit without being hypocritical. I think the best strategy is to find diverse editors. If the article reaches high quality, I'd like to submit a Did you know about the fact that discrimination against particular evaluative orientations makes victims not only of humans but of decision-making computers as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Langchri (talk • contribs) 05:25, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
 * The article mentions discrimination, so I guess its within the scope of this project. It is strange that GBS of ""Evaluative diversity" discrimination" has zero hits.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 21:16, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
 * If this article is in scope, could someone please add the Template:WikiProject_Discrimination and assess its importance to WikiProject Discrimination. WikiProject Philosophy assessed it first, and I don't think WikiProject Philosophy is a very good fit (philosophers may deal with this topic in the future, but philosophy has been ignoring it, or assuming that all but one type is inferior, for centuries). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Langchri (talk • contribs) 19:19, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Use of the term antisemite in lede
There is a dispute over the use of the term antisemite in the lede of Eustace Mullins. Contributions welcome at the talk page.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 17:13, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

New Article: Structural Violence in Haiti
Hello! I am a student at Rice University and am currently a member of a class on Poverty, Gender, and Human Capabilities. One of our assignments is to produce a Wikipedia contribution. I am currently working on a contribution regarding structural violence in Haiti and I just want to share a bit more on my planned contribution and to receive any comments and advice that you might have.

I will be creating a new entry on structural violence in Haiti and would just like to share a bit on the outline that I have. For my article, I will begin with a definition of “Structural Violence” and its relevance in Haiti. I will then elaborate on how different axes of oppression, specifically gender, race (ethnicity), and socioeconomic status, negatively influence the level of structural marginalization. I will then move on to cover some of the major impacts of Structural Violence. Currently, I have identified four major impacts: Poverty, Education, Access to Healthcare, and Health Outcomes. Immediately following impacts, I will cover the factors that have resulted in Structural Violence in Haiti. Following a description of the causes, I will then discuss some of the measures that are currently being taken to address Structural Violence.

I believe that my entry will be a useful contribution to the Wikipedia community because it sheds light on the reality that multi-level structural barriers exist within societies that prevent the underprivileged from receiving the same amenities that the more privileged do. Instead of simply attributing a lack of basic human rights/needs to poverty or poor infrastructure, my article will demonstrate that disparity is a result of a multitude of factors ingrained within society—including culture, political entities, racism, and sexism, all of which converge to form a barrier to a select few.

To craft my article, I plan on drawing upon a multitude of works, mostly from the fields of Anthropology, Sociology, and Medical Anthropology. Someone in particular who has done much work on structural violence in Haiti is Dr. Paul Farmer. I will be heavily referencing his works, but wonder if you might have any other advice on sources to pursue, particularly those that reference discrimination in Haiti? I want to be cautious of over referencing Dr. Farmer’s works, as well as relying on sources where structural violence is not the primary focus. Do you know of any sources or works that I should consider pursuing?

Because my Wikipedia contribution will specifically address inequity in Haiti, I thought that it would be fitting to reach out the Discrimination project page. I would appreciate any feedback in regards to information on groups that might experience discrimination in Haiti, or if there are certain people—women or indigenous peoples per se—that are at a greater risk of experiencing discrimination in Haiti? Or, on the other hand, if there are certain global countries or communities that outwardly discriminate against Haiti or refuse to give aid to Haiti?

Thanks in advance for any insight that you might give!

Sarah.heberlig (talk) 06:12, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Newly expanded article: Shadism
Hello, I'm User:Shaina390. As part of a grad school project that requires me to either write or greatly expand a stub on a certain topic, I chose the topic of Shadism. I chose this topic because it is one that I have noticed in my own family since I was a child, as well as witnessed very strongly in the media. I am currently enrolled in a course on Black Feminist Thought, and in part because of my own lived experiences, I find this topic to be extremely prevalent, and one that many do not even realize exists. I'm looking for constructive criticism on how to make my page better. If you have time I'd love your feedback, and ideas for new additions to the page. Thank you!--Shaina390 (talk) 19:36, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Good topic. Although, I just spotted Discrimination based on skin color, which appears to be the same subject. I was getting ready to include information on the Brown paper bag test and the concept of passing, but then I noticed the second article. What you could do is merge the two articles. Both appear to have important information. :-) Bali88 (talk) 22:27, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Also, this is a minor thought, but I have long thought about the fact that a form of shadism occurs in caucasian populations, although to a lesser degree. I spotted some article about how one of the criteria adoptive mothers were looking for in egg donation candidates was "tanability". The tanning thing in caucasian populations really hasn't been around very long (coco chanel started the whole thing, but it seems to have caught on). Prior to that, it was paleness that was very admired, because it meant you didn't have to work outside. It makes me think that it's a much more universal, pervasive, innate, and ancient phenomenon than we realize. hmmm. Need to research this. Bali88 (talk) 22:35, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Study on stereotypes defining race
I found: WhisperToMe (talk) 06:56, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Vedantam, Shakar. "Study: Stereotypes Drive Perceptions Of Race." WBUR. February 11, 2014.

"La" baby names
I was working on the African-American names article and during my research I came across a line in a book that claims that the "La" trend came about in New Orleans years ago with the creole population. The book said that the children of black mothers and french fathers would be given names with "La" in front of them. So like, the mixed race son of a man names Jean would be named LaJean. It's a helluva lead if it's true, but it sounds like an urban legend and I'm unable to come up with anything on google. Any searches that include "New Orleans" and "La"...La is short for Louisiana. Doesn't exactly work. Has anyone ever heard this? Bali88 (talk) 05:44, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
 * What's the book, and does the book attribute the statement to anything, e.g. in a note of some sort? If so, what is it?  If not, it's bullshit.&mdash; alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 06:28, 2 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Baby Names Now: From Classic to Cool--The Very Last Word on First Names. It has a big list of sources at the end, but no definitive citation that tells which source it came from. If you google the title and LaKeisha, it should pop up with that page in google books. Also...they listed "la" as a "suffix" for the work LaKeisha. Um... Bali88 (talk) 06:54, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
 * That book looks worthless and their list of sources looks worthless too. It's a bunch of other baby name books and I bet they all citing each other in a big circle.  The theory is kind of too catchy to be true, anyway.  I'll look into it in some anthropology databases soon.  Do you have JSTOR access?  If you ever want to find out what's going on here, you'll have to stay away from baby name collections.  They're not helpful in any way and I've long suspected they make up a lot of stuff.&mdash; alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 07:02, 2 March 2014 (UTC)


 * OK, it's too late at night for me to get into it now, but I'm going to get some serious sources to you soon. Do you have someplace I can upload PDFs to?&mdash; alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 07:06, 2 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Interesting:


 * There is some evidence that La- has been used to make a feminine form of a
 * masculine name. Pyles (1959) mentioned La Carland La Bruce;Kotlowitz (1991)
 * interviewed a LaJoe (named after her uncle) in a Chicago housing project. LaJoe's
 * niece D'won and her husband Demetrius named their children Demetia, Demetrius,
 * Jr., Demond, Demeca, and Desmond. LaJoe's sisters were named LaVerna and
 * LaGreta. It appears that within families a common initial may be used for children.
 * This kind of preference could not be determined in our data. Besides their given
 * names, the children in Kotlowitz's book all also had nicknames, another interest-
 * ing topic for research in the "fancy talk" tradition mentioned by Dillard (1972).


 * From http://www.jstor.org/stable/455774 There are plenty of other more serious sources than the ones you've been using. If you don't have JSTOR let's talk about a PDF exchange.&mdash; alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 07:18, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I definitely wasn't going to trust that one book as some sort of definitive source, but sometimes they lead you in the right direction. I've gotten a couple of journal articles off of JSTOR for that article. Naming research is not easy to find. It's interesting that you bring up "serious sources". Someone put a tag on the article saying that it relies too much on primary sources, so I thought maybe I quoted too many journal articles! I'm still pretty new to wikipedia so when someone puts a tag on my work I'm not sure what to do with it (especially when they slap up a tag and never return to tell me how to fix it! Gah!). The baby name wizard and the "Beyond" books are detailed analyses of naming strategies and they have compiled and referenced a lot of research studies, which is why I used it as much as I did.
 * A good technique for that kind of templating is to go to the actual page of the tag and read the documentation. Most of them and all the hardcore ones explain how they're supposed to be used, and they almost universally say they're supposed to be used in conjunction with opening a discussion on the talk page.  Thus if they just zip by, drop a tag, and leave, you can just remove it with an edit summary of "per template documentation" or something.  If anyone complains about that at least you can force them into a discussion, and if they don't you get the tag off your page...&mdash; alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 15:41, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the suggestion! Bali88 (talk) 19:55, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I hadn't heard the thing about the feminine form. My own theory of how it came into use is that it's the same way other surname names came into use. These surname names were used by the lower to middle classes because they sounded super fancy and upper class. In New Orleans, the French were sort of the upper class in the area and they would hear surnames like LeDune or Lafontaine and they modeled the names after them. Of course this is just speculation and I have nothing to back it up. Bali88 (talk) 07:59, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

The N word
Working on a crime article that is assumed to be a racially motivated crime. A key witness reported that her neighbors called her a "N... lover" for cooperating with police. I felt like the quote is fairly important to demonstrating the problems investigating the case. I got the official answer that wikipedia isn't censored, but of course, just because it's not strictly forbidden doesn't mean it's necessarily going to sit well with people. I know there is a specific entry for the word, but in other contexts, is it typically written out? So far I haven't seen any other examples to guide what is normally done. Bali88 (talk) 19:20, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I think it's fine if it's in a quote. See here for an example that's been in the article for at least a couple years: Greenwood,_Mississippi.&mdash; alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 19:28, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Is it acceptable to censor it? I myself am not entirely comfortable putting it in an article. Is anyone going to say something if I write an N and a bunch of stars? Bali88 (talk) 19:33, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't see why not. It should be up to you if you're writing the article.  If someone objects we'll hash it out on the talk page, as usual.&mdash; alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 19:35, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

You can edit it like that. Someone might say something. It doesn't matter if they do. Follow your own morals. If they don't like it they can change it.Serialjoepsycho (talk) 14:30, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Neutral notice of RfC on Investigative Project on Terrorism
Is here:Talk:Investigative_Project_on_Terrorism.&mdash; alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 23:06, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Antisemitism in Norway
Input in the discussion here would be appreciated. Regards, Iselilja (talk) 20:43, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Islamophobia
This Template links to this article. This wikiproject is linked to both as such I wanted to bring an issue to you that I put on the talk page of each. In the article nothing written connects the Group to Islamophobia. As such the template I feel is acting as a rubber stamp to make an unverified claim. I suggest one of two options:


 * 1- The template is removed from the talk page and the article is removed from the template.
 * 2- This connection of Islamophobia is written in the article along with all of the apropriate sources.

Either of these two options would bring this article up to at least a minimal standard of quality that it doesn't have as is.Serialjoepsycho (talk) 14:44, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I think that the fact it targets mostly Muslim groups could warrant it as Islamophobic. However I definitely think that more sources and examples should be added.-Rainbowofpeace (talk) 04:30, 5 March 2014 (UTC)


 * I think the word Islamophobia is blatantly discriminatory, judgmental, and POV, and should not be used at all, especially for a template that links articles to a "Series on Islamophobia". To begin, Islamophobia is a neologism that has not been accepted into mainstream language because it is as racist and discriminatory as what the label itself attempts to define. In fact, the word Islamophobia was recently nixed from the AP Stylebook, a writing style guide that's widely used by journalists and other writing professionals. The reason they gave was "-phobia, "an irrational, uncontrollable fear, often a form of mental illness" should not be used "in political or social contexts."  I agree, even though we are not obligated to follow the AP Stylebook.  However, the Manual of Style/Words to watch does advise against contentious labeling, and the use of weasel words, WP:POVNAME, and WP:NDESC.  Islamophobia is clearly contentious.  If it wasn't, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
 * Editors have been adding Islamophobia labels on organizations they unilaterally determine to be critical of Islam, which is subjective labeling, and blatantly judgmental. It is acceptable for editors to cite a reliable source that claims an organization is Islamophobic, (example: according to [source], "x" organization is Islamophobic), but NPOV dictates that editors must also give equal weight and balance to opposing views, WP:WEIGHT and WP:BALANCE. Also, the template includes links to secondary articles that are not related to the primary article.  The links are unilaterally selected to promote a cause. It is WP:PROPAGANDA considering the list links to articles about the persecution of Muslims, genocide, governmental massacres, Qu'ran burnings, and so on.  Atsme   &#9775; talk  21:37, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

The ever-changing world view of the label, "Islamophobia", is changing, as well it should. The AP Style Book discourages its use. The word can best be summed up rather succinctly by the following quote: "A word created by fascists, and used by cowards, to manipulate morons." - Christopher Hitchens I am amazed that Wikipedia is still allowing its use considering it is discriminatory, contentious labeling, especially in light of current world events. Even the hard core liberal, Bill Maher, is against its use as noted in his interview with Dinesh D'Souza on HBO's Real Time with Bill Maher, May 9, 2014. AtsmeWills  ☯ talk  15:20, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
 * What do you want to call it then? Anti-Muslim Radicalization? This is the most common known term. Your ap stylebook aregument is still irrelevent. Your quote from a blog doesn't offer anything to consider. And Bill Maher? Do do tell me more about the position of an alleged islamophobic. I do see whitewashing as useful.Serialjoepsycho (talk) 02:21, 19 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Why don't you ask the 276 Nigerian girls who were kidnapped by Boko Haram fighters last month what they'd recommend. AtsmeWills  &#9775; talk  02:21, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
 * That actually borders a justification for Islamophobia. I'm not sure why I would even remotely ask that but I'll answer. I won't ask because that would be irrelevent to this discussion. That would be like asking Lego why make blue lego's and bringing that information in to this discussion. What does this highlight exactly? Some Muslims have done bad things?Serialjoepsycho (talk) 07:49, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not going to get into a word war with you. You clearly don't understand the meaning of "phobia".  It's not a phobia when they really are trying to kill you, or force you to live under Sharia Law which is clearly a violation of human rights.  Those people actually do exist, and those who wish to remain free, have learned how to recognize them.  You call it a phobia - I call it intelligence.  It's going to require a movement within WP to make the proper changes.  I remain confident that it will happen.  It's only a matter of time.  AtsmeWills  &#9775;  talk  20:52, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
 * That is what you are having is a word war. We aren't talking about the word phobia. We are talking about the word Islamophobia. If you want to start talking lingustics it would make more since to mention the suffix -phobia instead of the word phobia. This can imply hate at some point developed by fear. You will fail at your politically correct campaign on wikipedia. Be very careful not to get banned. WP:CENSORED Wikipedia is not censored. What's your proposed alternative? Do you have a word in common parlance to replace it with?


 * As far as the rest of your rant goes wp:soapbox Wikipedia is not a soapbox. Good luck with promoting politically correctness. No wait that is wrong... Good luck trying to censor wikipedia.Serialjoepsycho (talk) 00:45, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
 * The opinions expressed about Islamophobia are pretty much split down the middle. I don't understand why it's allowed to remain under those circumstances.  The fact there are so many editors who feel it's contentious and discriminatory should be enough to eliminate the label, particularly the template.  Here's a positive suggestion for you - instead of agitating editors on talk pages, why don't you write a useful article?  I'm working on two different articles now, and have been staying busy editing main articles, so I really don't need to be wasting my time arguing about something neither of us can change at this point in time.  AtsmeWills  &#9775;  talk  16:10, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
 * That's not a very good argument since your goal is to actually remove Islamophobia from wikipedia. Wikipedia is not censored. Editors can get pissed about it's inclusion. That can not on the basis of original research remove it. There's no basis that you have offered that justifies it's removal. Here's a positive suggestion for you- If you do not want editors agitating you on the talk page by commenting on your comments then don't comment on a talk page. You are one that came here on May 9th adding further comment. Irrelevent comment. You might have well just quoted WP:IDL. Write a useful article? I'll just stick editing articles and discussing issues on the talk pages. I strongly suggest you do not make any changes in Islamophobia related articles to pursue the goal you have outlined above about your desire to Push POV.Serialjoepsycho (talk) 21:46, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I am free to express my views on this page the same as anyone else. The fact that you are "strongly suggesting" that I not edit any Islamophobia related articles is intimidation, so be careful not to get yourself blocked.  WP:HAR  WP:HOUNDING  AtsmeWills  &#9775;  talk  21:18, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't get banned for that because that is not something I've said. You can edit as many Islamophobic articles as you like. You can't however make the disruptive edits you are promoting. Wiki hounding? Harrassment? Do tell? How am I hounding you by responding to you responding to me?Serialjoepsycho (talk) 23:21, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
 * But by all means report me please. Let's play this game. Do it.Serialjoepsycho (talk) 23:30, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
 * , actually I apologize for my out of character comments. We probably always will disagree on this subject, so I'll just end it there.   AtsmeWills  &#9775;  talk  03:35, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

What you fail to understand is that your opinion is irrelevent. Bill Maher opinion is irrelevnt. I'm very sorry that is the case. Prejudice against, hatred towards, or fear of Muslims or of ethnic groups perceived to be Muslim has been documented for a while under the name Islamophobia. No other name has come into common parlance for this. There is no case to remove it from wikipedia and there is no case to sanitize it. Correlation does not imply causation. Your mention of the little kidnapped girls and much of the rest of it amounts to systemic bias. You wouldn't claim that Jim Jones, Joseph Kony, The IRA, Birth control clinic bombers and snipers, and ect are representitive of Christianity as a whole.Serialjoepsycho (talk) 05:06, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

This conversation...Yikes. The word Islamophobia has a documented usage and belongs on wikipedia. Now, if the template is being used in a non-neutral way to advance a POV, I can't say, but the concept is well discussed in reliable sources and therefore belongs on wikipedia. Removing the word because you perceive that there is a valid reason to be prejudiced against Muslims and therefore it is offensive to you is not a good justification. Having said that, I'd like some sourcing connecting Islamophobia to the article. I think removing it was the right choice. Bali88 (talk) 16:28, 28 May 2014 (UTC)


 * It wasn't removed from that article. But more sourcing was suggested.Serialjoepsycho (talk) 20:00, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Pride 2014
You are invited to participate in Wiki Loves Pride 2014, a campaign to create and improve LGBT-related content at Wikipedia and its sister projects. The campaign will take place throughout the month of June, culminating with a multinational edit-a-thon on June 21. Meetups are being held in some cities, or you can participate remotely. All constructive edits are welcome in order to contribute to Wikipedia's mission of providing quality, accurate information. Articles related to LGBT rights may be of particular interest. You can also upload LGBT-related images by participating in Wikimedia Commons' LGBT-related photo challenge. You are encouraged to share the results of your work here. Happy editing! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:13, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Relevant discussion
See this discussion which is relevant to this project: Category_talk:Antisemitism. Note that I have proposed moving this discussion to this page and broadening the scope. As members of this project your input into this discussion is welcome.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 15:22, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Leaflet for Wikiproject Discrimination at Wikimania 2014
Hi all,

My name is Adi Khajuria and I am helping out with Wikimania 2014 in London.

One of our initiatives is to create leaflets to increase the discoverability of various wikimedia projects, and showcase the breadth of activity within wikimedia. Any kind of project can have a physical paper leaflet designed - for free - as a tool to help recruit new contributors. These leaflets will be printed at Wikimania 2014, and the designs can be re-used in the future at other events and locations.

This is particularly aimed at highlighting less discoverable but successful projects, e.g:

• Active Wikiprojects: Wikiproject Medicine, WikiProject Video Games, Wikiproject Film

• Tech projects/Tools, which may be looking for either users or developers.

• Less known major projects: Wikinews, Wikidata, Wikivoyage, etc.

• Wiki Loves Parliaments, Wiki Loves Monuments, Wiki Loves ____

• Wikimedia thematic organisations, Wikiwomen’s Collaborative, The Signpost The deadline for submissions is 1st July 2014 For more information or to sign up for one for your project, go to: Project leaflets Adikhajuria (talk) 12:42, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Discussion about "she" for ships
There's a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style about changing the Manual of Style to deprecate the use of "she" for ships. As it concerns the intersection of grammatical gender with actual gender, I thought some of you might be interested. --John (talk) 07:41, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Should Islamophobia be included in the main Discrimination sidebar
See discussion here at Template_talk:Discrimination_sidebar Jonpatterns (talk) 10:48, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Racist sundown town signs
Can anyone find pictures of racist signs that were once in "sundown towns" like Vidor, Texas? They said things like "don't let the sun set on you here", "read this and run; and if you can't read, run anyway", or "if you ain't white, don't get caught here at night". 173.51.123.97 (talk) 23:19, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Idea to rename portal and templates to: Prejudice and discrimination
I have created and with help developed a navigation for Category:Prejudice and discrimination and its subcategories.

it currently reads:

Navigation, for "types of" categories within a "parent category":Prejudice and discrimination.

Parallel Subcategories: Bias‎, Discrimination, Persecution, Prejudices, Stereotypes, and Xenophobia.

with variation on subcategory pages:

Parallel categories at this level: Bias‎, Discrimination, Persecution, Prejudices, Stereotypes, and Xenophobia.

(Discussion on content of the navigation is at: Category talk:Prejudice and discrimination)

It seemed to me that this was a good way of coordinating categories and this got me thinking of possible knock on effects.

I was wondering whether consistency might be achieved by renaming the portal and related templates etc. as: Prejudice and discrimination.

Gregkaye (talk) 04:01, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Antisemitism to Anti-Semitism
Discussion currently at: Talk:Antisemitism

Gregkaye (talk) 04:30, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Anti-Semitic administrator adding propaganda to genocide template
Please revert this vandalism: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Genocide_topics&diff=616849343&oldid=616849268 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.89.80.250 (talk) 00:45, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Re title: please read No personal attacks. Amongst the three links that the editor added was: The question is that is this link valid for inclusion in this category of which I am not certain. Genocide appears once in the article with ethnic cleansing being a more common term used term. I haven't yet checked to see how well this is applied but see also links to a book The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine.

Gregkaye (talk) 04:57, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Change is made. Gregkaye (talk) 05:19, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

discrimination in New York
I recently created the page Adam Wiercinski with the following content:

Adam Wiercinski is a Jewish resident of Manhattan who was awarded $900,000 by Brooklyn federal court in October 2013 in damages for anti-Semitic slurs he suffered for over a decade at the hand of manager Artur Zbozien (and others) of Midtown Manhattan restaurant Mangia 57 owned by Sasha Muniak. Wiercinski was taunted with crass references to the Zyklon B gas used by the Nazis during the Holocaust. His lawyer said that his supervisors would call him a ‘dirty Jew,’ and when he would say, ‘But I took a bath,’ they would laugh and say, ‘No, you still smell like Jew.’

Personal infoboxes in relation to patriotism and nationalism
I have started a discussion at Template_talk:Infobox_person suggesting a change of emphasis to a Citizenship entry from the Nationality entry.

This was due to a POV in favour of promoting Patriotism rather than Nationalism and to allow more flexibility in regards to possible terminolologies that can be used. Gregkaye (talk) 11:48, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Source list helpful for this project
You may find it helpful while reading or editing articles to look at a bibliography of Anthropology and Human Biology Citations, posted for the use of all Wikipedians who have occasion to edit articles on human genetics and related issues. I happen to have circulating access to a huge academic research library system at a university with an active research program in these issues (and to other academic libraries in the same large metropolitan area) and have been researching these issues sporadically since 1989. You are welcome to use these citations for your own research. You can help other Wikipedians by suggesting new sources through comments on that page. It will be extremely helpful for articles on human genetics to edit them according to the Wikipedia standards for reliable sources for medicine-related articles, as it is important to get these issues as well verified as possible. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 15:09, 15 September 2013 (UTC)


 * The source list is continually updated, and I welcome editors active in this project to use it, and to suggest new sources for me to look up and add to the source list. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 13:52, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Request for comment on missing white woman syndrome
We're discussing the appropriateness of including White supremacy as a see also link on the article Missing white woman syndrome. An editor put links to both White privilege and White supremacy on the page. I feel that white privilege is absolutely relevant and a great link to add. However, I don't feel that white supremacy is related enough to be included on the page. I'd love some additional opinions on the topic. Bali88 (talk) 00:21, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

definition of "bigot" and "bigotry"
i insist that the [sexual orientation] be removed from the definition "bigot" and "bigotry"

no i do not want to politicize it by stating you can or cannot choose ones sexuality (despite its been proven you can and admitted by K.D lang on an australia radio called b105 station many years ago along side a lesbian D.J stating and I quote "its a life style choice" and ironically its the only subject that can be generalized unless you're saying some are born gay and some aren't

point being is, to be fair and not take ANY sides, "sexual orientation" should be removed so no one can promote the pro or anti side agenda, it is not fair to be biased abusing the wiki pages by promoting ones OWN agenda

lets not forget homosexuality is a taboo no different to incest, beastilaity, pedophilia etc

this is not an opinion but a fact, it was both an arrestable offence AND it was illegal

so if its "bigotry" to discriminate against homosexuality by that theory the other taboos should be classified into this definition as well i.e not excepting pedophilia makes people eg. a pedoPHOBE and a BIGOT

infact if you google define bigotry you get "intolerance towards those who hold different opinions from oneself."

so the other taboos fit into this category of being discriminated against and thus making these people "bigots"

i successfully changed the definition as the other person who kept fixing my changes eventually allowed me to not change the definition but AT LEAST leave "sexual orientation" off the list, I added my reasons on the bottom window with full explanation why, it was accepted, now its been changed back. The creator of the definition page is biased and won't see reason. The wiki pages should be a source of fact and not a place to promote your biased opinions. If you won't allow other facts and opinions by way of addition facts then remove one of yours so we can meet in the middle in agreement — Preceding unsigned comment added by Astro2 (talk • contribs) 13:09, 13 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Quick question: how is this different from you promoting a biased opinion? I disagree with your proposed changes. When I get home tonight, I'll look at what we have in terms of reliable sources, but I'm fairly certain that your viewpoint is not supported by them. Bali88 (talk) 15:22, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Expanding and reorganizing Social cleansing
Hello! I am a student at Rice University completing coursework for my Poverty, Justice, and Human Capabilities minor. I hope to majorly expand and reorganize the existing page on social cleansing.

I have found that the description of the issue is extremely limited, as the article is a stub rated start-class by 6 different WikiProjects, including WikiProject Human rights, where it is rated mid-importance. I would like to expand the introduction and definition to more comprehensively cover the issue as it has been explained by scholars and also provide a brief history on the development of the term and the phenomenon. I would additionally like to completely reorganize the article by continent instead of country, as I see a lot of similarities in social cleansing in the countries already discussed. I intend to provide scholarly sources from journals and reports from human rights commissions.

I think that this issue is entirely relevant to WikiProject Discrimination, and I have added it as part of the project. Since the talk page on this article has been minimal since 2009, I would really appreciate feedback and suggestions as I plan to edit this page. Rgalts (talk) 06:52, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Comment on the WikiProject X proposal
Hello there! As you may already know, most WikiProjects here on Wikipedia struggle to stay active after they've been founded. I believe there is a lot of potential for WikiProjects to facilitate collaboration across subject areas, so I have submitted a grant proposal with the Wikimedia Foundation for the "WikiProject X" project. WikiProject X will study what makes WikiProjects succeed in retaining editors and then design a prototype WikiProject system that will recruit contributors to WikiProjects and help them run effectively. Please review the proposal here and leave feedback. If you have any questions, you can ask on the proposal page or leave a message on my talk page. Thank you for your time! (Also, sorry about the posting mistake earlier. If someone already moved my message to the talk page, feel free to remove this posting.) Harej (talk) 22:47, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Restructuring and Updating Racism in the United States
Hello! I am Regina Leslie, a student at Rice University. I intend to make extensive structural changes and contextual updates to the article Racism in the United States, as a cumulative assignment in my Poverty, Justice, and Human Capabilities course.

I have found that the current page is comprehensive, yet disorganized. As forms of discrimination continually evolve with transforming societal norms, I will provide a thorough understanding of the historical context, consequences, and systemic responses to this concept. Thus, I aim to provide a holistic and succinct summary of racial discrimination in the United States. My additions will be supplemented by reputable research, as accessed through Rice University.

Feel free to provide suggestions for improvements! I honestly will deeply respect and appreciate all thoughtful input!

jeanygina (talk) 20:00, 08 October 2013

Nomination of Ashkenazi intelligence for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Ashkenazi intelligence is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Ashkenazi intelligence (5th nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article..

Decrease of racial segregation in the USA
Here is a WSJ article about a Manhattan Institute report which says that in 2012 USA cities are more integrated than at any time since 1910, and that (as paraphrased by the WSJ) "All-white neighborhoods in U.S. cities are effectively extinct, according to the report."

Women by Ethnicity nominated for deletion.
Category:Women by ethnicity is being considered for deletion. Anybody interested in commenting, can do so at Categories_for_discussion/Log/2013_November_4.

big mountain club/whitefish mountain (montana)
sources:
 * http://flatheadbeacon.com/2014/11/18/whitefish-residents-appeal-city-council-anti-hate-law/
 * http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/statement-the-big-mountain-club-and-whitefish-mountain-resort
 * http://www.abcfoxmontana.com/story/27531138/whitefish-adopts-no-hate-resolution
 * last ~10 links of http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/citations-the-december-2-2014-trms (maybe, some maybe are tangents)

this story seems to be related to at least 4 different existing articles:
 * Whitefish Mountain Resort
 * Richard B. Spencer
 * National Policy Institute
 * Randy Scheunemann

should we cover the event and the response to it? which should be our primary article? I'm leaning toward having National Policy Institute be the primary one. the others can link to the new section as needed. --Jeremyb (talk) 10:36, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

Article up for deletion
The Hands Up United article under the scope of this project is currently up for deletion. Discussion here: Articles for deletion/Hands Up United Hmlarson (talk) 19:15, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

RfC United States same-sex marriage map
I opened up an RfC for the U.S. same-sex marriage map due to the complicated situation of Kansas: RfC: How should we color Kansas?. Prcc27 (talk) 04:43, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Request for comments on tagging BLPs as part of this project
User:Zigzig20s recently added WikiProject Discrimination to the talk pages of two BLPs (Amy Pascal and Scott Rudin) - people in the film industry who have apologised for making comments in emails considered to be racially discriminatory. I reverted as I thought this wasn't an appropriate use of the template. It seems to me that tagging in this way raises BLP issues, as it implies that discrimination is highly relevant to these people - to me, it suggests 'this person is a bigot' without saying it. I also feel they fall outside of the project's scope. Zigzig20s disagreed and restored the templates. (See the brief discussion on my talk page.) Could any member of the project provide a third opinion on this one? Robofish (talk) 00:29, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
 * I would stress that it sounds like you are misunderstanding WP tags. Nobody is calling anyone the b word. The aim of WP tags is to encourage editors interested in such topics to edit them; for example gay icons who may not be gay will have a WP LGBT Studies tag, as those editors are more likely to edit those pages. (see Madonna) Btw, it is irrelevant whether they apologized or not.Zigzig20s (talk) 00:36, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Request for comments at Talk:White supremacy
There is a request for comments at Talk:White supremacy. It concerns the wording of the opening sentence of the lead. 86.170.130.156 (talk) 02:11, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

WikiProject X is live!


Hello everyone!

You may have received a message from me earlier asking you to comment on my WikiProject X proposal. The good news is that WikiProject X is now live! In our first phase, we are focusing on research. At this time, we are looking for people to share their experiences with WikiProjects: good, bad, or neutral. We are also looking for WikiProjects that may be interested in trying out new tools and layouts that will make participating easier and projects easier to maintain. If you or your WikiProject are interested, check us out! Note that this is an opt-in program; no WikiProject will be required to change anything against its wishes. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thank you!

Note: To receive additional notifications about WikiProject X on this talk page, please add this page to WikiProject X/Newsletter. Otherwise, this will be the last notification sent about WikiProject X.

Harej (talk) 16:57, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Nomination of Evaluative diversity for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Evaluative diversity is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Evaluative diversity until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article.. Langchri (talk) 02:47, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Interview for The Signpost
The WikiProject Report would like to focus on WikiProject Discrimination for a Signpost article. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Multiple editors will have an opportunity to respond to the interview questions, so be sure to sign your answers. If you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Thanks,  Rcsprinter123    (vent)  @ 20:39, 17 January 2015 (UTC)